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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Perrine on April 30, 2013, 03:09:07 PM
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Is the all-metal Ki-84 shedding elevators at @ 450 IAS dive have any "historical" basis? :headscratch:
I mean, even 109G-14 with wooden tail in this game can still do extreme dives without shedding its tail off.
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Could have swore I just saw this somewhere
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Probably needs tweeking. That and add the collapsing landing gear problem. :D
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Probably needs tweeking. That and add the collapsing landing gear problem. :D
The landing gear was due to the way the Japanese "heat-treated" the the High-Strength Steel. Also, I am almost positive that the 84 had fabric covered control surfaces.
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it does not shed parts at 450.....I have thousands of hours in it, pieces come off at a little over 500 right around 505.
this is without pulling back on the stick....if you are doing 450 and yak the stick back going to 6-7 G's then ya I can see it happening sooner....
in all the time I have in the KI I have had pieces come off 3 times....all in the very early days.
if you are doing that kind of speeds in the Ki.......you are doing it wrong.
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Been meaning to say this but I like the skins ink :rock
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Been meaning to say this but I like the skins ink :rock
thank ya man :salute
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Also, I am almost positive that the 84 had fabric covered control surfaces.
You are correct sir.
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The covering has very little to do with the aircraft shedding pieces at high speed. The corsair had fabric covered ailerons as well as fabric covered rudder and elevators. and it will do well over 500 mph in a dive without losing either the ailerons, rudder, or elevators.
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Apples to Oranges.
Or in this case, Levis denim to Oriental rugs.
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Is the all-metal Ki-84 shedding elevators at @ 450 IAS dive have any "historical" basis?
Just out of curiosity...why would you ever go that fast in a Frank...?
- oldman
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Is the all-metal Ki-84 shedding elevators at @ 450 IAS dive have any "historical" basis? :headscratch:
I mean, even 109G-14 with wooden tail in this game can still do extreme dives without shedding its tail off.
Actually the Ki-84 was not so strong body because Nakajima designed it a lighter.
Also it had "nose up" effect to avoid disintegrating in midair when it tries a high-speed dive.
According to army Ki-84 manual, a dive speed limit of Ki-84 was 750km/h (446mph).
But, IJAAF pilot reported it can dive at 850km/h (520mph) without breaking up.
It seems the manual's dive speed limit has a margin, so it may be tweaked higher in the game.
I remembered that Mr. Busa said he might send a information about it to HTC.
Currently I have no contact to him though. :frown:
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Just out of curiosity...why would you ever go that fast in a Frank...?
- oldman
Chasing Ponys :D
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Just out of curiosity...why would you ever go that fast in a Frank...?
- oldman
To chase down the top 3 planes that I usually encounter in MA but totally avoid me while flying '84.
- runstangs
- lil Doras
- Lavochkins
According to army Ki-84 manual, a dive speed limit of Ki-84 was 750km/h (446mph).
But, IJAAF pilot reported it can dive at 850km/h (520mph) without breaking up.
It seems the manual's dive speed limit has a margin, so it may be tweaked higher in the game.
If that's realized in the next patch or version then '84 will surely earn a place in the pantheon of ENY-5 planes.
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Chasing Ponys :D
I made a fatal mistake of dumping alt to chase a pony tonight, I of course didn't catch him - however I got my first whine about Ki-84s being able to dive with "ponys" on 200.
When you dive in a straight line, of course a ki-84 can stay with you - up to 500 and without turning.
Then again said person forgot this basic little rule before he blacked out pulling his stick hard as possible and plowing a corn field.
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But what's with the typhoons losing wings now? Tried to pull lead in a dive and snap wing gone before blackout even started...
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This is why the Ki-84 is 20 ENY.
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Actually the Ki-84 was not so strong body because Nakajima designed it a lighter.
Also it had "nose up" effect to avoid disintegrating in midair when it tries a high-speed dive.
According to army Ki-84 manual, a dive speed limit of Ki-84 was 750km/h (446mph).
But, IJAAF pilot reported it can dive at 850km/h (520mph) without breaking up.
It seems the manual's dive speed limit has a margin, so it may be tweaked higher in the game.
I remembered that Mr. Busa said he might send a information about it to HTC.
Currently I have no contact to him though. :frown:
I think the 84 we have in game is overmodelled as it is, much like the Dr1 was f4u4s have trouble doing what it does in the vert
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in all the time I have in the KI I have had pieces come off 3 times....all in the very early days.
if you are doing that kind of speeds in the Ki.......you are doing it wrong.
Been flying the Ki for about a month now nearly exclusively and had similar experience to Ink i.e. shed parts a few times because I was going way to fast....figured out it wasn't the plane's problem but mine....stopped trying to fly it like a 109, reduced speed and (surprise surprise surprise) started killing things! :D
BTW Ink....anytime you are free to impart some of your secrets in the Ki I'd be happy to be your devoted Padawan,O Master Jedi. And by padawan I mean a respectful-non-whining-like-the-brat-who-played-Anakin padawan! :D
OK, I'll get off Ink's ankle now.... :lol
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This is why the Ki-84 is 20 ENY.
'84 is suppose to be the premier aircraft representing IJAAF side... not a mere perk farming tool.
fix the tail and '84 should move up to the rank of 5-ENY's.
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nvm
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'84 is suppose to be the premier aircraft representing IJAAF side...
I kinda thought that was the N1K2's role...
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I kinda thought that was the N1K2's role...
N1K (low alt) or J2M (mid-hi) for the Navy
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Been flying the Ki for about a month now nearly exclusively and had similar experience to Ink i.e. shed parts a few times because I was going way to fast....figured out it wasn't the plane's problem but mine....stopped trying to fly it like a 109, reduced speed and (surprise surprise surprise) started killing things! :D
BTW Ink....anytime you are free to impart some of your secrets in the Ki I'd be happy to be your devoted Padawan,O Master Jedi. And by padawan I mean a respectful-non-whining-like-the-brat-who-played-Anakin padawan! :D
OK, I'll get off Ink's ankle now.... :lol
:rofl :rofl
that was great :aok
and ya......anytime you see me on, I am more then willin to help out a fellow KI lover :salute
PS
I let the wife read that, she laughed as hard as I did...... :rofl
:salute
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I aim to please!
BTW - I'll be respectful if you do not require that I grow one of those little padawan ponytails....if I have to have one of those all bets are off. :bolt:
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I aim to please!
BTW - I'll be respectful if you do not require that I grow one of those little padawan ponytails....if I have to have one of those all bets are off. :bolt:
:rofl
the only requirement is a desire to kill the red guy :t
and look good while doing it :devil
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it does not shed parts at 450.....I have thousands of hours in it, pieces come off at a little over 500 right around 505.
Actually there isn't any single speed at which control surfaces come off. A very simple test shows that the speed at which things start to break varies randomly.
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I kinda thought that was the N1K2's role...
The N1KJ-2 was a Navy bird. The Kis are Army.
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Manual trim has been my friend with the 84 at high speeds.
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The N1KJ-2 was a Navy bird. The Kis are Army.
Hmmmm....I don't remember a tail hook on the N1K2 (tho' I fly it so seldom it could be there for all I know) ....guess they didnt really have any CVs by the time it was introduced so why bother!
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Manual trim has been my friend with the 84 at high speeds.
I fly 109s at high speeds with manual trimming (especially when near compression in a dive), but not the Ki...I'll give it a go tonight or tomorrow.
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Hmmmm....I don't remember a tail hook on the N1K2 (tho' I fly it so seldom it could be there for all I know) ....guess they didnt really have any CVs by the time it was introduced so why bother!
The Navy wasn't just using CV's. They had a huge land-based component as well (just as the Army had actually a few aircraft carriers of their own). See the G4m "Betty", a land based bomber, but a plane of the IJN. An IJA counterpart to that one would be the Ki-48, for example.
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Hmmmm....I don't remember a tail hook on the N1K2 (tho' I fly it so seldom it could be there for all I know) ....guess they didnt really have any CVs by the time it was introduced so why bother!
n1k was intro initially as a boatplane... so there goes its navy origins.
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Hmmmm....I don't remember a tail hook on the N1K2 (tho' I fly it so seldom it could be there for all I know) ....guess they didnt really have any CVs by the time it was introduced so why bother!
apparentyl the army had their own cv's and the n1k was just a land based plane operated by the navy.
Navy gulfstreams don't have tailhooks...
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Manual trim has been my friend with the 84 at high speeds.
its annoying (but it sure does keeps me in one piece piece now) when i have to override auto trim @ 400 ias ias extreme dive and set it neutral..... nose up effect kicks in as mitsu said a pg earlier so it doesnt break up comically.
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Army planes are always Ki-x.
Navy planes are always LetterNumberLetterNumber.
The first letter is for the plane's role. A = carrier fighter, J = land based fighter, N = float plane fighter, D = dive bomber, B = carrier based level/torpedo bomber, G = land based level/torpedo bomber, H = flying boat
The first number is how many such have been in service. For example the A6M was the sixth carrier based fighter in IJN service.
The second letter is for the plane's manufacturer. A = Aichi, D = Douglas, K = Kawanishi, M = Mitsubishi, N = Nakajima, Y = Yokosuka
The second number is the mark number. For example, the A6M3 is the Mk III of the A6M.
A lower case third letter would be a sub-varient of the mark. For example the A6M5 also had the A6M5a, A6M5b (the one in AH) and the A6M5c.
A dash and a letter would mean that the original design had been modified to a new role, with the new role's letter being placed here. For example the N1K2-J is the Mk II (2) version of a land based fighter (-J) based on the first (1) float plane fighter (N) in the IJN and was built by Kawanishi (K).
N1K1 Kyufu "Rex":
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/N1K1_in_biwalake_.jpg)
N1K1-J Shiden "George":
(http://www.airpages.ru/img/n1k1j.jpg)
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai "George 21":
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Kawanishi_N1K_Shiden.jpg/800px-Kawanishi_N1K_Shiden.jpg)
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Thanks for the explanation, Karnak. I knew Army planes had the "Ki", but had never seen the naval system explained.
Regards,
Hammer