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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: XxDaSTaRxx on January 17, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
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A countless number of times I have a secure kill, am pulling lead for a shot and a teammate zooms in and shoots down my enemy. If I had landed shots before, I get an assist. :bhead
Say, give the person who brought him down some points, but at least give the person who damaged him some credit. It seems when I damage an enemy and somebody else kills him, they get the kill. But when I kill the enemy who is damaged, I always get an assist. Can somebody please explain how assists work? :headscratch: I am quite tired of taking peoples wings off and getting no perk points for it.
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I always thought you do get a small perk awarded for an assist but never really bothered to check to see it does or not. Basically, you'll get a credit for an assist if you do non-critical damage to a plane before someone does critical damage. For example, you come in and hit the bandit in the wings, puncturing a few holes in the wing or maybe getting lucky and damaging the flaps or ailerons. Now, here I come in with guns blazing and remove the tail from the plane. I'll get credit for the kill as my damage was critical, whereas you'll get the assist because the damage you caused was non-critical. Now a 3rd friendly comes in with guns blazing and fires at the bandit floating in the sky without his tail but will not receive credit for the kill or assist because critical damage has already been done to the bandit so the 3rd friendly at this point is basically wasting his ammo. Anyway, that's the really basic layman's explanation.
Here's a really good tip to get rid of the assist blues...work on your gunnery skills. The better the aim and shot you are, you'll see your kills go up, your assists go down.
ack-ack
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Who ever does the most damage gets the kill, everyone else who hit him gets an assist.
So just as an example... all numbers are fictitious!
Say it takes 500 hits to cause "fatal" damage on a pony. Your in a P47 with 50s and you get 5 points per round you hit with. You pump 40 rounds into him and do 20 points worth of damage.
Your teammate comes in to help clear your 12 oclock :rolleyes: and he's in a nik. His cannon rounds are worth 20 points per round. He pumps in 15 rounds as he blows by... almost a third less rounds than you, but his total adds up to 300, plus your 200, and the pony goes down, and the nik gets the kill.
Same goes the other way, if the nik hits him first and you finish him off 5 minutes later as he's landing :P his 300 still beats your 200 and he still gets the kill.
Again the numbers are all fake, but that is pretty much how it works.
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I always thought you do get a small perk awarded for an assist but never really bothered to check to see it does or not. Basically, you'll get a credit for an assist if you do non-critical damage to a plane before someone does critical damage. For example, you come in and hit the bandit in the wings, puncturing a few holes in the wing or maybe getting lucky and damaging the flaps or ailerons. Now, here I come in with guns blazing and remove the tail from the plane. I'll get credit for the kill as my damage was critical, whereas you'll get the assist because the damage you caused was non-critical. Now a 3rd friendly comes in with guns blazing and fires at the bandit floating in the sky without his tail but will not receive credit for the kill or assist because critical damage has already been done to the bandit so the 3rd friendly at this point is basically wasting his ammo. Anyway, that's the really basic layman's explanation.
Here's a really good tip to get rid of the assist blues...work on your gunnery skills. The better the aim and shot you are, you'll see your kills go up, your assists go down.
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:salute Thanks. But I have never noted getting anything out of assists. Thursday night, I landed because of fuel with four assists, and checked my score for last sortie in the hanger. The result: 0.00. :headscratch:
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Who ever does the most damage gets the kill, everyone else who hit him gets an assist.
So just as an example... all numbers are fictitious!
Say it takes 500 hits to cause "fatal" damage on a pony. Your in a P47 with 50s and you get 5 points per round you hit with. You pump 40 rounds into him and do 20 points worth of damage.
Your teammate comes in to help clear your 12 oclock :rolleyes: and he's in a nik. His cannon rounds are worth 20 points per round. He pumps in 15 rounds as he blows by... almost a third less rounds than you, but his total adds up to 300, plus your 200, and the pony goes down, and the nik gets the kill.
Same goes the other way, if the nik hits him first and you finish him off 5 minutes later as he's landing :P his 300 still beats your 200 and he still gets the kill.
Again the numbers are all fake, but that is pretty much how it works.
Hmmm... Alright. :salute Thanks.
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:salute Thanks. But I have never noted getting anything out of assists. Thursday night, I landed because of fuel with four assists, and checked my score for last sortie in the hanger. The result: 0.00. :headscratch:
That's not your score that's your perk balance. And yes, there are no perks for assists. But they actually do count towards score (indirectly), the damage you inflict on the enemy goes to "Kill Points" (which are actually 'damage points', as the kill itself gives only 1 single score point.)
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+1 for perks for assists.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
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Debrody has thought this thing through. Some kind of substantive reward for kills you don't make all on your own would just encourage them to NEVER leave a pack.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
yep
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Split the kills into fractions just like gun camera film analysis did. 26.44 victories, etc.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
This.
And apologies to the lightly armed fighters, but not all things can be accommodated.
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This.
And apologies to the lightly armed fighters, but not all things can be accommodated.
You could give quarter kill credit if enough damage is done to get there. That's certainly fair. They chopped them into smaller fractions in the big show after all....
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And apologies to the lightly armed fighters, but not all things can be accommodated.
Been flying the 109G6 for years. One 20mm cannon in the spinner, 2 13mm guns on the engine cowling. Not too heavily armed, yet never had problems with getting kills.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
:aok
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Been flying the 109G6 for years. One 20mm cannon in the spinner, 2 13mm guns on the engine cowling. Not too heavily armed, yet never had problems with getting kills.
I never had problems getting kills in the C202 either. The problem is getting ganged while peppering the enemy as it takes a bit longer to score on it.
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Been flying the 109G6 for years. One 20mm cannon in the spinner, 2 13mm guns on the engine cowling. Not too heavily armed, yet never had problems with getting kills.
Probably don't have problems getting mugged either. Not exactly a valid argument.
My hit % is 5.65 and I am an assists machine just like the OP complained about. His point is valid.
I have also caused a guy to auger right in front of or right behind me a dozen times. No victory credit.
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stay out of the green gang....poof...no more assists. :aok
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That's not your score that's your perk balance. And yes, there are no perks for assists. But they actually do count towards score (indirectly), the damage you inflict on the enemy goes to "Kill Points" (which are actually 'damage points', as the kill itself gives only 1 single score point.)
I thought kill point were the difference in eny of the play you fly vs what you kill. I always fly eny 35 and 40 planes when not In a 262 (which I can't afford right now because after ten yrs In this game I have 17 fighter perks right now (sorry for the rant)). Also I'm 48 I'm the game in kill point. It's always my best category. So if true; you just shattered my happiness, in thinking I was one of the better guys at using crappy plane to shoot down good one. I'm sad now and need another beer. :cry 🍺
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My hit % is 5.65 and I am an assists machine just like the OP complained about. His point is valid.
Well with 5.6% hit ratio, i wouldnt be complaining about that it is the system's fault. My hit ratio was around 15% when purely furballing and 18-22% when was trying to intercept some bombers too. K/D was between 1.5-3.3, thats absolutely nothing special. When was switching to the Dora, the hit percentage was 10-12%, the K/D went up to 3-5 while both doing some intercepting, BnZing and slow speed turnfighting. Got like 15 times more kills than assists, maybe because there werent many green dudes around me to steal my kills. Just because you cannot hit chit, the OP wont be right and it wont be the system's fault.
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I thought kill point were the difference in eny of the play you fly vs what you kill.
No, eny has no influence on score whatsoever. It's striktly used for determining perk gains and arena balance only.
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stay out of the green gang....poof...no more assists. :aok
Better yet, they should learn how to aim and shoot, no more assists. This tour out of 179+ kills, only 17 assists this tour and that's because I usually hit what I aim for and I aim for critical areas on the bandit's plane.
ack-ack
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Well with 5.6% hit ratio, i wouldnt be complaining about that it is the system's fault. My hit ratio was around 15% when purely furballing and 18-22% when was trying to intercept some bombers too. K/D was between 1.5-3.3, thats absolutely nothing special.
A K/D like that is way above arena average (top 20%-5%), a hit ratio like that is absolutely stellar (top 0.5%... yes, 1 out of 200).
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A K/D like that is way above arena average (top 20%-5%), a hit ratio like that is absolutely stellar (top 0.5%... yes, 1 out of 200).
Pie chart :old:
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...a hit ratio like that is absolutely stellar (top 0.5%... yes, 1 out of 200).
the point is, if you earn a kill, you will get a kill, if you dont, then you wont get one. This simple.
If a (then) two years noob could do this in an eny30 ride, cant see why anyone else couldnt get kills unless they are flying in packs and acting "timid". Or what ever is the correct word for only attacking wounded opponents.
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The "I'm just a n00b" routine is getting old.
"False modesty is just another way to lie."
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The "I'm just a n00b" routine is getting old.
"False modesty is just another way to lie."
Okay man, then im Chuck Norris and using my ninja spinning kick to connect the G6's bullets to your head, MFer lol
better now?
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At least it's closer to the truth than the "I'm just a skilles n00b" :P
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lol.
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I say award the perks on the percentage of critical damage u supplied. Such as you did 30 percent of the damage receive 30 percent of a perk bonus. Or just limit assets to a set amount, 10%,20% or What have u.
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"Kill and you shall be given " :old:
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the point is, if you earn a kill, you will get a kill, if you dont, then you wont get one. This simple.
If a (then) two years noob could do this in an eny30 ride, cant see why anyone else couldnt get kills unless they are flying in packs and acting "timid". Or what ever is the correct word for only attacking wounded opponents.
That works for decently armed planes, but lightly gunned planes often end up with assists simply because they take too long to kill and some oct .50 armed fighter or quad 20mm armed fighter swoops in to heroically clear your C.202 or Spitfire Mk I's 12.
Lightly armed aircraft like that are an outlier though, and I don't think effective general policy can be set that adequately accommodates the Spitfire Mk I and the Me262 as well as everything between.
I vote for no perks for assists.
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Better yet, they should learn how to aim and shoot, no more assists. This tour out of 179+ kills, only 17 assists this tour and that's because I usually hit what I aim for and I aim for critical areas on the bandit's plane.
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that would help too, except for guys like me who are just horrible at aiming.... :( (after 7 years I can still only manage a 5-6% hit ratio)
even still I get very minor assists numbers....
I have had months where ill get 400 kills and 19 assists.....
like I said my aim is atrocious....but I try to avoid the green gang...helps alot in not getting assists.
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I say award the perks on the percentage of critical damage u supplied. Such as you did 30 percent of the damage receive 30 percent of a perk bonus. Or just limit assets to a set amount, 10%,20% or What have u.
This.
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No need for awarding the gangers.
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It isn't rewarding the gangers. It would, however, offset some of the disadvantages faced fighting the gangers, particularly defending a vulched field.
It was done in real life. Follow precedent.
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NO
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It isn't rewarding the gangers. It would, however, offset some of the disadvantages faced fighting the gangers, particularly defending a vulched field.
It was done in real life. Follow precedent.
Real life was all about having the numerical superiority too. Its a game, you dont really die, you dont really kill.
Earn your kill. If i could do it, its possible.
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I dislike the idea for all the reasons given but specifically around promoting ganging (which sure as heck doesn't require more promotion).
My take - shoot better. Or, if this isn't an option, do like me...fly something with guns that tend to kill when you do hit. :aok
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Losers. :old:
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Losers. :old:
Vraciu wins
:lol
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Did somebubby not get wewarded for their magnificent pinging skills? Awww, poor bubby.
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Vraciu wins
:lol
:x :lol :aok :cheers: :salute
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Did somebubby not get wewarded for their magnificent pinging skills? Awww, poor bubby.
Not saying a ping. Saying if you contribute a significant percentage of damage, say minimum a quarter or a third, you get credit for it just like many pilots in WWII did. Pings won't cut it. (Though that's why I png every bomber in a formation when I make a pass in case they wuss bail.)
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Debrody makes a very good point. Think back about how many times you've watched swarms of green trying to just get a ping for the assist/xx.xxscore, now add in perks it would be horrendous.
NO
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Not saying a ping. Saying if you contribute a significant percentage of damage, say minimum a quarter or a third, you get credit for it just like many pilots in WWII did. Pings won't cut it. (Though that's why I png every bomber in a formation when I make a pass in case they wuss bail.)
Hmmm...ok.....that's somewhat logical, but if you had focused on just killing one you wouldn't be getting 3 assists.
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Debrody makes a very good point. Think back about how many times you've watched swarms of green trying to just get a ping for the assist/xx.xxscore, now add in perks it would be horrendous.
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It would probably tone it down. Imagine how pissed your country mates would be if you started trying to steal their kill share!
And again, limit it to a minimum amount. No assist unless you do x percentage of damage. Say a quarter. This will discourage pingers. You people have your heads on backwards.
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It would probably tone it down. Imagine how pissed your country mates would be if you started trying to steal their kill share!
And again, limit it to a minimum amount. No assist unless you do x percentage of damage. Say a quarter. This will discourage pingers. You people have your heads on backwards.
Again, learn to get your own kill. It isnt really "that" hard, but yea, we are the losers :lol
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See Rules #4, #6
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It would probably tone it down. Imagine how pissed your country mates would be if you started trying to steal their kill share!
And again, limit it to a minimum amount. No assist unless you do x percentage of damage. Say a quarter. This will discourage pingers. You people have your heads on backwards.
Yeah like that one time when I was fighting 1v1 and you came in there twice and potentially took that guys kill. Trust me perks would encourage the gang way more. But I do certainly hate getting assist after putting 2-3 30mm in plane that doesn't even look damaged.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Yes, I get frustrated when I have my 12 cleared, yes I fly a lot of assist gathering planes. No I don't want any extra perks for doing a half-assed job. It's up to me to seal the deal. Being old and crusty I'm sick to death of seeing effort and reward being turned into a pat on the head for failing but trying hard. There is no try, only do.
This game is about being called "Chuck", not "Mary".
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Dont forget to pack in your sunglasses, you might need it on your vacation :aok
Clearly hyperbole is lost on you. I expected nothing else, frankly.
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A big NO to anything that encourages any more tag-teaming than there already is.
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Yes, I get frustrated when I have my 12 cleared, yes I fly a lot of assist gathering planes. No I don't want any extra perks for doing a half-assed job. It's up to me to seal the deal. Being old and crusty I'm sick to death of seeing effort and reward being turned into a pat on the head for failing but trying hard. There is no try, only do.
This game is about being called "Chuck", not "Mary".
Well I for one think an assist for a Ping is dumb. Just as dumb as doing a lot of damage and getting only an assist. There should be a minimum threshold to get credit, say a quarter, and if you do that much damage you get that much credit if someone else finishes the job. Anything less than a quarter gets no credit at all, assist, perk, or otherwise. This would bring some balance to the scoring and might cause one to rethink firing precious rounds trying to get an assist knowing significant damage is required to get it.
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A big NO to anything that encourages any more tag-teaming than there already is.
How does my proposal encourage tag teaming? The opposite is true, actually.
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How does my proposal encourage tag teaming? The opposite is true, actually.
By rewarding players for partially damaging a plane with the help of another pilot, who does more damage and gets the kill. Two or more vs one kind of means tag-teaming.
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By rewarding players for partially damaging a plane with the help of another pilot, who does more damage and gets the kill. Two or more vs one kind of means tag-teaming.
That is what happens now. People are assist hunting. Raise the threshold for credit and divide it as a partial victory. People will regulate their own. One won't be popular long trying to steal kills.
Knowing you have to inflict significant damage will discourage the behavior you detest. Or else people don't care.
Gangers exist. So be it. If you don't like it then fly a jet and run away. The OP's contention remains valid.
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That is what happens now. People are assist hunting. Raise the threshold for credit and divide it as a partial victory. People will regulate their own. One won't be popular long trying to steal kills.
Knowing you have to inflict significant damage will discourage the behavior you detest. Or else people don't care.
Gangers exist. So be it. If you don't like it then fly a jet and run away. The OP's contention remains valid.
Dude, seriously? Nobody is "hunting for assists" because they get nothing for it. They gang because they want the kill and a big crowd affords them safety while doing so. Right now, only one of the gang wins the lottery. If you get your way, the numbers of "winners" of the fight increase and ganging will get even worse.
I don't even understand how you could get satisfaction from perks "earned" this way. :headscratch:
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Dude, seriously? Nobody is "hunting for assists" because they get nothing for it. They gang because they want the kill and a big crowd affords them safety while doing so. Right now, only one of the gang wins the lottery. If you get your way, the numbers of "winners" of the fight increase and ganging will get even worse.
I don't even understand how you could get satisfaction from perks "earned" this way. :headscratch:
No it won't because you raise the threshold required to get anything to begin with. And if guys start stealing other guys' kills there will be peer pressure brought to bear.
The fact of the matter is the score system as constituted is a mess. There is real-life precedent for partial kill credits. There is none for a Ping-based assist.
Gangers will always be there. My solution to gangers is flying a Pony or a TA and running when they show up. I carry plenty of fuel and run them out of gas or ack drag. They're always gonna be here so punishing players like the OP for the behavior of a few is foolishness.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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The OP's contention remains valid.
It does not look like the preponderance of respondents are in agreement.
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See Rule #4
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It does not look like the preponderance of respondents are in agreement.
Yes. The crowd was always right when Jesus was around, too. :rolleyes:
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There is.
Do tell. I can't find it. I am too easily baited by people like him. Best to squelch so I can remain calm.
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no, worst idea ever, would make ganging a viable perk source.
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No it won't because you raise the threshold required to get anything to begin with. And if guys start stealing other guys' kills there will be peer pressure brought to bear.
The fact of the matter is the score system as constituted is a mess. There is real-life precedent for partial kill credits. There is none for a Ping-based assist.
Gangers will always be there. My solution to gangers is flying a Pony or a TA and running when they show up. I carry plenty of fuel and run them out of gas or ack drag. They're always gonna be here so punishing players like the OP for the behavior of a few is foolishness.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
thats the ticket avoid combat in a combat game.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
thats the ticket avoid combat in a combat game.
No. It is the way to refuse committing suicide when ganged by a flock of clowns.
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I'm sorry for my post that got Rule #4'd.
I was genuinely letting him know you can choose not to see some folks posts. I did not however explain how.
Click on your account profile and add the person to your ignore list.
Again, I apologize, it was not my intention to bait or harrass anyone here. :salute
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No. It is the way to refuse committing suicide when ganged by a flock of clowns.
psst
hey bud....its a game you don't really die... :O
and you wont learn squat by running.
turn and engage them at every opportunity....and before you know it...you will have very good SA...timing...and the ability to actually fight and kill....
then when you get into a fight with 1 or 2 baddies...they will die....the more you practice the combat thing the better you will get.....
trust me..... flying the way you do...you will never be able to take on 5 and kill them all....I have done that on a couple occasions...and my aim sux arse.....
winning 3vs1 is far more thrilling then running from 3......
if you always run...you will NEVER learn to fight.
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psst
hey bud....its a game you don't really die... :O
and you wont learn squat by running.
turn and engage them at every opportunity....and before you know it...you will have very good SA...timing...and the ability to actually fight and kill....
then when you get into a fight with 1 or 2 baddies...they will die....the more you practice the combat thing the better you will get.....
trust me..... flying the way you do...you will never be able to take on 5 and kill them all....I have done that on a couple occasions...and my aim sux arse.....
winning 3vs1 is far more thrilling then running from 3......
if you always run...you will NEVER learn to fight.
You may be right, but with that many I am usually dead in short order. The best I have done is 2:1. Got them both. Once. Otherwise I die and my pride can only take so much. :(
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I'm sorry for my post that got Rule #4'd.
I was genuinely letting him know you can choose not to see some folks posts. I did not however explain how.
Click on your account profile and add the person to your ignore list.
Again, I apologize, it was not my intention to bait or harrass anyone here. :salute
I took no offense to anything you said.
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Hmmm...ok.....that's somewhat logical, but if you had focused on just killing one you wouldn't be getting 3 assists.
I focus on one but ping the other two. So many times I have set up a buff formation only to kill one and have two bail for no credit. A ping on each guarantees a kill if they bail, assuming I am the lone attacker. Learned that the hard way.
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Yeah like that one time when I was fighting 1v1 and you came in there twice and potentially took that guys kill. Trust me perks would encourage the gang way more. But I do certainly hate getting assist after putting 2-3 30mm in plane that doesn't even look damaged.
Never happened. I only help when asked otherwise I stay high cover. I might dive in to bleed you out but I don't shoot unless the other guy says to. I am against stealing victories from someone. I don't do it.
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You may be right, but with that many I am usually dead in short order. The best I have done is 2:1. Got them both. Once. Otherwise I die and my pride can only take so much. :(
Wow.... :O I am glad Thomas Edison didn't give up after thousands of failures when trying to create the light bulb. He looked at those failures as finding "10,000 ways that didn't work"
I am so tired of the score potato players...
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Wow.... :O I am glad Thomas Edison didn't give up after thousands of failures when trying to create the light bulb. He looked at those failures as finding "10,000 ways that didn't work"
I am so tired of the score potato players...
I approach it like real life. I try to avoid dying and stay within my limitations. My boundary limits are expanding slowly and I still die a lot because I make mistakes. But I frankly think players who treat it like a game and dive in expecting to die are far more worthy of derision than people like me.
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You may be right, but with that many I am usually dead in short order. The best I have done is 2:1. Got them both. Once. Otherwise I die and my pride can only take so much. :(
how long have you been playing? Took me 3 years from nothing to get half comfortable in the cockpit
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how long have you been playing? Took me 3 years from nothing to get half comfortable in the cockpit
Warbirds three years. Here about nine months the first go. That was 2008 or so. Been here the second time around maybe four months now and loving every minute. Trying to get others I know to play but not having any luck--yet.
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I approach it like real life. I try to avoid dying and stay within my limitations. My boundary limits are expanding slowly and I still die a lot because I make mistakes. But I frankly think players who treat it like a game and dive in expecting to die are far more worthy of derision than people like me.
well...it isnt real life....thats the whole point....it is a game...it is NOT a sim....except a COMBAT sim...it does not replay WW2.....
as far your "pride" it seems like your "pride" is misplaced..... Pride should NOT let you run in a COMBAT game....
there are those that play who think because they didn't "die" that means they are "good"
that is the furthest thing from the truth....
get them in a 1vs1 and most often they will die...or just run away....so I guess they are right...they are "good" at "running"
personally I would rather be known as a guy who fights no matter what...... win or lose...then a running nancy pants :D
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I approach it like real life. I try to avoid dying and stay within my limitations. My boundary limits are expanding slowly and I still die a lot because I make mistakes. But I frankly think players who treat it like a game and dive in expecting to die are far more worthy of derision than people like me.
I never "expect" to die, I expect to learn. The best way to learn when lives are free, is to fight.
Oh, and it is a game... If I wanted to avoid combat, I would play MSFS...
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well...it isnt real life....thats the whole point....it is a game...it is NOT a sim....except a COMBAT sim...it does not replay WW2.....
as far your "pride" it seems like your "pride" is misplaced..... Pride should NOT let you run in a COMBAT game....
there are those that play who think because they didn't "die" that means they are "good"
that is the furthest thing from the truth....
get them in a 1vs1 and most often they will die...or just run away....so I guess they are right...they are "good" at "running"
personally I would rather be known as a guy who fights no matter what...... win or lose...then a running nancy pants :D
I will take on all comers in the DA any time. I may not win but I won't be easy meat either.
Anyone can dive into a mosh pit and get kills. Fighting smart is much harder and is what I aim to do. I have much to learn, still, but I would rather be known for being a smart fighter than a brash one.
There is a time to fight and a time to extend.
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I never "expect" to die, I expect to learn. The best way to learn when lives are free, is to fight.
Oh, and it is a game... If I wanted to avoid combat, I would play MSFS...
Where did I ever say I avoid combat?
People here have reading comprehension issues maybe?
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Where did I ever say I avoid combat?
People here have reading comprehension issues maybe?
Do you run from 1v1's?
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Do you run from 1v1's?
Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
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Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
Yup, figgered.. :bolt:
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I will take on all comers in the DA any time. I may not win but I won't be easy meat either.
Anyone can dive into a mosh pit and get kills. Fighting smart is much harder and is what I aim to do. I have much to learn, still, but I would rather be known for being a smart fighter than a brash one.
There is a time to fight and a time to extend.
no not just "anyone" can fly into a red gang and get kills....
the only way to learn to "fight smart"...is to fight....
especially if you are at a disadvantage.......
Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
only fighting when you have the advantage is teaching you absolutely nothing.
if you truly fly the way you describe....then fighting the real fighters in AH in the DA you would be very "easy meat"
the ONLY way to actually fight them guys and stand a chance is to practice practice practice...IE fighting ALL comers all gangs all times....obviously if you are out of ammo....go home...
I am not the best...but I have killed best....I have killed 5 in a 5vs1.....I have killed 4 out of about 14 trying to kill me....3vs1 many times I have won....my aim sux so that makes it more difficult but hell eventually Ill get that down :pray......and the only reason that is possible is because I have fought every fight possible....
but hey whatever it is your 15$ :aok
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no not just "anyone" can fly into a red gang and get kills....
the only way to learn to "fight smart"...is to fight....
especially if you are at a disadvantage.......
only fighting when you have the advantage is teaching you absolutely nothing.
if you truly fly the way you describe....then fighting the real fighters in AH in the DA you would be very "easy meat"
the ONLY way to actually fight them guys and stand a chance is to practice practice practice...IE fighting ALL comers all gangs all times....obviously if you are out of ammo....go home...
I am not the best...but I have killed best....I have killed 5 in a 5vs1.....I have killed 4 out of about 14 trying to kill me....3vs1 many times I have won....my aim sux so that makes it more difficult but hell eventually Ill get that down :pray......and the only reason that is possible is because I have fought every fight possible....
but hey whatever it is your 15$ :aok
More reading comprehension issues perhaps?
Where did I say I only fight with the advantage? Read it again. Disadvantaged I try to get to a point where I can enter the fight with some hope of success. Otherwise I fight right away. That leaves alternatives other than advantaged.
Also, I wind up disadvantaged plenty through mistakes or bad timing. I don't have to seek out that kind of fight as I get more than enough opportunities that way through circumstance or being a dumbarse noob.
I don't learn anything dying five seconds into a 6:1. I am working up to it.
I have fought several top guns in the DA and have been given very high praise by them. I fear nobody. Someday all will fear me. That's the goal. One day at a time. One step at a time.
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More reading comprehension issues perhaps?
Where did I say I only fight with the advantage? Read it again. Disadvantaged I try to get to a point where I can enter the fight with some hope of success. Otherwise I fight right away. That leaves alternatives other than advantaged.
Also, I wind up disadvantaged plenty through mistakes or bad timing. I don't have to seek out that kind of fight as I get more than enough opportunities that way through circumstance or being a dumbarse noob.
I don't learn anything dying five seconds into a 6:1. I am working up to it.
I have fought several top guns in the DA and have been given very high praise by them. I fear nobody. Someday all will fear me. That's the goal. One day at a time. One step at a time.
when you say...Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
this tells me you wont engage when you are at a disadvantage....
I have not insulted you or talked smack to you at all....my reading comprehension is fine....
I am just trying to show you that the fight is where its at....not winning or losing the fight....
I would love to hear who you think are "top guns"
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More reading comprehension issues perhaps?
Where did I say I only fight with the advantage? Read it again. Disadvantaged I try to get to a point where I can enter the fight with some hope of success. Otherwise I fight right away. That leaves alternatives other than advantaged.
Also, I wind up disadvantaged plenty through mistakes or bad timing. I don't have to seek out that kind of fight as I get more than enough opportunities that way through circumstance or being a dumbarse noob.
I don't learn anything dying five seconds into a 6:1. I am working up to it.
I have fought several top guns in the DA and have been given very high praise by them. I fear nobody. Someday all will fear me. That's the goal. One day at a time. One step at a time.
I think your the one with the reading issues. You were asked if you run from a 1 vs 1 and you said you will extend and then come back..... run. Same thing in most players book.
INK told you "only fighting when you have the advantage is teaching you absolutely nothing." You say, "Disadvantaged I try to get to a point where I can enter the fight with some hope of success" so this means you don't fight while at a disadvantage so it must mean that you only fight when you HAVE the advantages.
If you want more perks, get out of the pony and fly a higher ENY plane. Fly a P-47-25, fly it like you fly the pony :confused: and you'll earn perks much faster. Trying to get the game changed to make it easier to get perks isn't the answer.
What most of these guys are trying to tell you is get in and mix it up. You don't really die. If you are smart and film each fight you will learn "why" you died in two turns in stead of "extending" after the first all the time. If you don't push the limits you will never find that edge that the best run on. Throw away the score board for the first 6-8 months. Don't look at, don't think about it, just fly and fight. After you get all that time "training" out of the way then start looking at your score. You will find you have made very good progress and now almost "average" :D
Trying to be "perfect" or stay out of trouble so you don't get shot down isn't teaching you much. Get in there and mix it up!
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when you say...
this tells me you wont engage when you are at a disadvantage....
I have not insulted you or talked smack to you at all....my reading comprehension is fine....
I am just trying to show you that the fight is where its at....not winning or losing the fight....
I would love to hear who you think are "top guns"
I may or may not fight at a disadvantage. I don't do it like an automaton. As a rule, with exceptions, I create separation when able and the try to get an angle. If you must fight at a disadvantage the objective is to level the field. Those who recklessly attack disadvantaged are either fearless, brainless, overconfident, or extremely skilled. I am the former but not the latter three.
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I think your the one with the reading issues. You were asked if you run from a 1 vs 1 and you said you will extend and then come back..... run. Same thing in most players book.
INK told you "only fighting when you have the advantage is teaching you absolutely nothing." You say, "Disadvantaged I try to get to a point where I can enter the fight with some hope of success" so this means you don't fight while at a disadvantage so it must mean that you only fight when you HAVE the advantages.
If you want more perks, get out of the pony and fly a higher ENY plane. Fly a P-47-25, fly it like you fly the pony :confused: and you'll earn perks much faster. Trying to get the game changed to make it easier to get perks isn't the answer.
What most of these guys are trying to tell you is get in and mix it up. You don't really die. If you are smart and film each fight you will learn "why" you died in two turns in stead of "extending" after the first all the time. If you don't push the limits you will never find that edge that the best run on. Throw away the score board for the first 6-8 months. Don't look at, don't think about it, just fly and fight. After you get all that time "training" out of the way then start looking at your score. You will find you have made very good progress and now almost "average" :D
Trying to be "perfect" or stay out of trouble so you don't get shot down isn't teaching you much. Get in there and mix it up!
Extend means I do not reverse at 1.5K. I get to at least 5K then turn into the bad guy.
Running implies I dive away and never come back.
Also, you make the same mistake as he did. There are other ways to fight besides advantaged and disadvantaged. It is not either/or.
Why am I defending myself against you people any way? Play it the way you want. When you get flamed be sure to read the buffer: Vraciu shot you down.
The rest of your post is noted, with thanks.
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You can fly any way you want, were are just trying to help. Look at it this way, lets go bowling. You always roll the ball on the second arrow from the right with just a twist of your wrist so that it curves neatly into the pocket. After all that is how to get a strike. Even if you miss.... too much wrist, dirty ball, fresh oil on the lane, what ever do you throw the next ball the same? Same arrow, same wrist flip? You'll never get the 7-10 split like that!
See what I'm saying? If you always do the same thing.... in this case extend 5K ( :eek: a bit excessive in anybodies book) You'll never learn to chop throttle and rudder hard for a snap shot, or do a tight barrel roll to force an over shoot, and so on and so on.
Were not criticizing your flying so much as trying to help you learn to get better. But hey, it's your $15
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You can fly any way you want, were are just trying to help. Look at it this way, lets go bowling. You always roll the ball on the second arrow from the right with just a twist of your wrist so that it curves neatly into the pocket. After all that is how to get a strike. Even if you miss.... too much wrist, dirty ball, fresh oil on the lane, what ever do you throw the next ball the same? Same arrow, same wrist flip? You'll never get the 7-10 split like that!
See what I'm saying? If you always do the same thing.... in this case extend 5K ( :eek: a bit excessive in anybodies book) You'll never learn to chop throttle and rudder hard for a snap shot, or do a tight barrel roll to force an over shoot, and so on and so on.
Were not criticizing your flying so much as trying to help you learn to get better. But hey, it's your $15
Reasonable post, tbqh.
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I may or may not fight at a disadvantage. I don't do it like an automaton. I create separation when able and the try to get an angle. If you must fight at a disadvantage the objective is to level the field. Those who recklessly attack disadvantaged are either fearless, brainless, overconfident, or extremely skilled. I am the former but not the latter three.
if you were "fearless" then you wouldn't care if you die in a "game" that is based on COMBAT....
actually it would be the exact opposite....
a quick scenario......I am flying alone...headed towards the biggest dar on map.....I see 6 cons.....all around my ALT....a couple slightly higher a couple slightly lower.....
I head right to them.....and engage...
I get a PM from one of them he says....."we saw a lone con headed towards us........That's JETSOM..... we knew we were in for a fight"
now let me ask you this...if I would have tried to get better ALT on them...or not engaged at all.....
would that PM ever been sent?
if I flew worried about dieing the last 7 years (I started my flying in 04 never before even owning a computer)
I would not have been able to take on those 6 cons....and giving them a serious fight....
I know guys who fly like its "real life"...they have been flying for decades....and yet they are very easy to kill.....if trapped I would say in the "DA" but they wont go to the DA and come up with some lame excuse..........something aint right with that....and proof positive that fighting is the only way to learn to fight.....just like anything in life....
you say you go to DA...that is good...but in reality it is only good (unless you fly at the lake all the time) for learning the basics of fighting it doesn't teach you how to take on multi cons...again if you are just 1vs1ing in the DA...
the lake is great for learning to fight the gang....the GANG is a huge thing in the MA....
personally I would rather fight red guys for my kills then green...I know I will have to face multi cons pretty much every sortie....I would think it would be wise to....... practice....practice...practi ce.......
I don't know....you can fly how ever you want that is true......I just think its sill to "worry" about a cartoon life....and the ends some will go to avoid dieing just baffles me...I cant imagine what it would be like to live with that mind frame.
I wont try to explain it anymore then this....peace man and good luck :salute
You can fly any way you want, were are just trying to help. Look at it this way, lets go bowling. You always roll the ball on the second arrow from the right with just a twist of your wrist so that it curves neatly into the pocket. After all that is how to get a strike. Even if you miss.... too much wrist, dirty ball, fresh oil on the lane, what ever do you throw the next ball the same? Same arrow, same wrist flip? You'll never get the 7-10 split like that!
See what I'm saying? If you always do the same thing.... in this case extend 5K ( :eek: a bit excessive in anybodies book) You'll never learn to chop throttle and rudder hard for a snap shot, or do a tight barrel roll to force an over shoot, and so on and so on.
Were not criticizing your flying so much as trying to help you learn to get better. But hey, it's your $15
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Extend means I do not reverse at 1.5K. I get to at least 5K then turn into the bad guy.
Running implies I dive away and never come back.
Also, you make the same mistake as he did. There are other ways to fight besides advantaged and disadvantaged. It is not either/or.
Why am I defending myself against you people any way? Play it the way you want. When you get flamed be sure to read the buffer: Vraciu shot you down.
The rest of your post is noted, with thanks.
:rofl
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Fearless doesn't mean stupid.
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Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
Yeah run away until I engage another Enemy and turn back around and kill me in that fight. Pepperidge remembers. It's alright you were rather new then but that's why I gave you a hard time.
I've been playing this game for way way longer than you, I know how the majority of people fight in this game, and I know perk points for assist is not a good idea. As I said before, I do freaking hate getting assist.
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Fearless doesn't mean stupid.
you obviously have a different "notion" of what "fearless" means....then I
if you are "worried" "concerned" "anxious" about your cartoons "life".... you are NOT fearless.
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you obviously have a different "notion" of what "fearless" means....then I
if you are "worried" "concerned" "anxious" about your cartoons "life".... you are NOT fearless.
Incorrect. If I am not afraid to fight but choose to fight smart I am fearless without being stupid. There is a difference.
People who fight stupidly because it is "just a cartoon" are not worthy of respect. They are not fearless they're foolhardy. I do not respect them. I think they are gamers. Anyone can do that.
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Yeah run away until I engage another Enemy and turn back around and kill me in that fight. Pepperidge remembers. It's alright you were rather new then but that's why I gave you a hard time.
I've been playing this game for way way longer than you, I know how the majority of people fight in this game, and I know perk points for assist is not a good idea. As I said before, I do freaking hate getting assist.
I was asked to help, best I recall. At any rate I would have fought you further without "help". As it was/were... Not sure I even got the kill. Probably didn't. But we are both way past that any way. :cheers:
I am certainly more capable and aggressive than then regardless. I, too, hate getting an assist. Get fewer victories and a ton more assists in the Pony than I did in the Ta-152. :bhead :bhead
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personally I would rather be known as a guy who fights no matter what...... win or lose...then a running nancy pants :D
That's one of the reasons I like Ink so much.
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Fearless doesn't mean stupid.
No it doesn't mean stupid, it means with out fear.
Take your pony and turn fight with it! Is it stupid??? No! as long as you know how to do it, it can be done.
Here check out this film, http://www.mediafire.com/download/5c72lgl1q7992wh/51lulz.ahf I forget how many he gets, but he is in the fight all the time, even when its 3 vs 1. This is more along the lines of "fearless"
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People still going on on this thread? :rolleyes:
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Incorrect. If I am not afraid to fight but choose to fight smart I am fearless without being stupid. There is a difference.
People who fight stupidly because it is "just a cartoon" are not worthy of respect. They are not fearless they're foolhardy. I do not respect them. I think they are gamers. Anyone can do that.
in your mind maybe :rolleyes:
I respect people who are men of their words...not "how" they play a game.
you saying you are fearless...and then saying you wont even engage a single con who has ALT on you.....are the exact opposite of the spectrum
I wont explain the conclusion I get from reading what you type....
have fun with that :aok
That's one of the reasons I like Ink so much.
:salute
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Hey Skuzzy,
Dunno where i was offensive or did anything but pointing out his behaviour, but what ever. :)
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Hey Skuzzy,
Dunno where i was offensive or did anything but pointing out his behaviour, but what ever. :)
Beee careeefulll my friend.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/Aces%20High%20Motivational%20Posters/skuzzy-1.jpg~original)
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I will take on all comers in the DA any time. I may not win but I won't be easy meat either.
Anyone can dive into a mosh pit and get kills. Fighting smart is much harder and is what I aim to do. I have much to learn, still, but I would rather be known for being a smart fighter than a brash one.
There is a time to fight and a time to extend.
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This is nothing more than an excuse and obviously you can't do well in a "Mosh pit".
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in your mind maybe :rolleyes:
I respect people who are men of their words...not "how" they play a game.
you saying you are fearless...and then saying you wont even engage a single con who has ALT on you.....are the exact opposite of the spectrum
I wont explain the conclusion I get from reading what you type....
have fun with that :aok
:salute
I engage wisely, not stupidly.
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This is nothing more than an excuse and obviously you can't do well in a "Mosh pit".
I have my moments. I am learning. Be careful. :salute
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I engage wisely, not stupidly.
cool beans....
post up a vid when your "smart" flying...teaches you to kill 5 nme cons....by yourself...with no vulching in a 5vs1 or more.
I wont hold my breath.
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Beee careeefulll my friend.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/Aces%20High%20Motivational%20Posters/skuzzy-1.jpg~original)
:)
You might be spot on.
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Extend means I do not reverse at 1.5K. I get to at least 5K then turn into the bad guy.
(http://chirho.me/memes/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/549677_139622179520866_588122904_n.jpg)
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cool beans....
post up a vid when your "smart" flying...teaches you to kill 5 nme cons....by yourself...with no vulching in a 5vs1 or more.
I wont hold my breath.
I will when it happens. Working my way up to that point one step at a time.
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That won't happen by "extending" running past icon's range.
I forget how long I'd been here exactly, ~4-6 months or so, got a 6 kill sortie no rearm after I finally got off the runway. It was sweet justice, field was deacked, a friendly and I finally got up, guess they all liked him instead, but I was on that day. Never repeated that performance to date to be exact, I've had 6kill sortie's since but they involved rearms and bomber kills.
Anyhow your wish as almost all of have stated would forseeably increase they amount of ganging, not decrease it. I see your train of thought that some might say I'm not going to gang 'cause "I don't know if I can put enough led in him" to get any credit. Yet, you see ppl here blow all kinds of E adv to come down and get an assist instead of fight the higher con. Maybe it's a let none get away mentality or a collection of I want an assist, he needs to die, etc.
Many long time and intelligent players have weighed in and they think it'll increase because now it's actually worth some perks to try and get that assist, gang or not. The sum of said players and their exp in years is probably older than you.
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That won't happen by "extending" running past icon's range.
I forget how long I'd been here exactly, ~4-6 months or so, got a 6 kill sortie no rearm after I finally got off the runway. It was sweet justice, field was deacked, a friendly and I finally got up, guess they all liked him instead, but I was on that day. Never repeated that performance to date to be exact, I've had 6kill sortie's since but they involved rearms and bomber kills.
Anyhow your wish as almost all of have stated would forseeably increase they amount of ganging, not decrease it. I see your train of thought that some might say I'm not going to gang 'cause "I don't know if I can put enough led in him" to get any credit. Yet, you see ppl here blow all kinds of E adv to come down and get an assist instead of fight the higher con. Maybe it's a let none get away mentality or a collection of I want an assist, he needs to die, etc.
Many long time and intelligent players have weighed in and they think it'll increase because now it's actually worth some perks to try and get that assist, gang or not. The sum of said players and their exp in years is probably older than you.
1/10.
Again, "We are right because we have always done it that way."
Whatever.
I will extend when I want and fight when I want how I want. I will not enter every single fight just because you say I should. If you wish to fight every time and never extend that's your business. I will learn my limitations and fight within them.
I will learn to recognize an untenable situation and get out of it. You feel free to stay in it past that point by rote and lose. That's your prerogative.
All this combined "experience" you tout as a positive reeks of groupthink and lack of a fresh eye view. That's your right, but a right doesn't prevent one from being very very wrong.
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I will extend when I want and fight when I want how I want. I will not enter every single fight just because you say I should. If you wish to fight every time and never extend that's your business. I will learn my limitations and fight within them.
Those limitations are most often internally set by the fear of the unknown or inability to risk. Leaving your comfort zone is sometimes the best way to learn what you're capable of. At the very least, in case you are found in the same situation, you'll be able to use experience earned previously.
Play any way you wish but keep in mind my above comment the next time you find yourself forced into an unfamiliar situation. it is good advise for Aces High and life itself.
Audentes Fortuna Juvat.
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Those limitations are most often internally set by the fear or the unknown to inability to risk. Leaving your comfort zone is sometimes the best way to learn what you're capable of. At the very least, in case you are found in the same situation, you'll be able to use experience earned previously.
Play any way you wish but keep in mind my above comment the next time you find yourself forced into an unfamiliar situation. it is good advise for Aces High and life itself.
Audentes Fortuna Juvat.
Would you jump into an F-4 Phantom and zoom around the sky without ever having attended ground school or earned a type rating in any kind of jet?
Would you fight in it against 11 Su-27s?
I press my limits within reason. Diving below a group of ten F4Us and saying, "Come and get me" isn't a way to learn anything other than dying.
In the meantime, I practice against better players in the DA and get coaching on how to improve, then apply those lessons in the MA.
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Would you jump into an F-4 Phantom and zoom around the sky without ever having attended ground school or earned a type rating in any kind of jet?
Would you fight in it against 11 Su-27s?
I press my limits within reason. Diving below a group of ten F4Us and saying, "Come and get me" isn't a way to learn anything other than dying.
That's the difference between a game and real life. Here you can dive below 10 f4s and you did need to be checked out or rated for whichever plane your flying. Should you fail you grab another plane and think of how you might have won the last fight.
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Would you jump into an F-4 Phantom and zoom around the sky without ever having attended ground school or earned a type rating in any kind of jet?
Would you fight in it against 11 Su-27s?
I press my limits within reason. Diving below a group of ten F4Us and saying, "Come and get me" isn't a way to learn anything other than dying.
October tour, fighter rank. Check what the numero uno was flying. Ask anyone, how he was flying.
Not trying to look big or anything, but frequently pushing yourself and your plane beyong its abilities is the way towards leaving any limits behind. From the top50 fighter sticks i know, 40 would give you the same advice.
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Would you jump into an F-4 Phantom and zoom around the sky without ever having attended ground school or earned a type rating in any kind of jet?
Would you fight in it against 11 Su-27s?
I press my limits within reason. Diving below a group of ten F4Us and saying, "Come and get me" isn't a way to learn anything other than dying.
In the meantime, I practice against better players in the DA and get coaching on how to improve, then apply those lessons in the MA.
I think you may have forgotten that AH is a game.
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The problem is, everybody's 'it's only a game' slider is different.
A lot of the same people who are on about it only being a game get down on HOing, because you're putting yourself in front of the other guy's guns, it requires no skill, just pointing your plane at the guy and rolling the dice on a 50/50 whether you're a better shot than he is. It ends either or both of your sorties quickly, with not much happening. It's only a game though, right? It's worth the chance because you can just reup another plane if it doesn't work out, right?
Yet many of these same people who are down on HOing are more than happy to fling themselves into the bottom of a red cloud. The eventual outcome is certain, the only question is how many you might happen to take with you. I say, what's the difference between the two? By putting yourself in a position where you're assured to die, it's little different than taking the 50/50 HO, yet one is reviled, the other is advocated as the One True Way to play the game by the chest thumpers.
Throwing yourself into a red cloud when you can only track 1 or 2 planes at a time isn't fun for some, it's not a learning experience, it's an exercise in getting slapped down. Once you've got the SA to track multiples, then you can start engaging multiples effectively.
Wiley.
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I think you may have forgotten that AH is a game.
The point of which is to win, not lose, just like every other game, including Red Flag.
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That's the difference between a game and real life. Here you can dive below 10 f4s and you did need to be checked out or rated for whichever plane your flying. Should you fail you grab another plane and think of how you might have won the last fight.
I don't like that approach. I fight smart and when I lose learn from THAT to get smarter.
The poster above (Wiley) gets it.
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The point of which is to win, not lose, just like every other game, including Red Flag.
but in this game, and others, you can learn by losing.
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but in this game, and others, you can learn by losing.
But there are different kinds of losing. If you're coming in cold and want to learn to box, you don't step in the ring with Mike Tyson with a ten million dollar purse on the line. The only thing you're going to learn is what a concussion feels like.
Same thing in here. If you aren't aware enough of what is going on around you and just completely overwhelmed, there's no learning to be done beyond 'My SA needs to get better.'
Wiley.
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The point of which is to win, not lose, just like every other game, including Red Flag.
I don't like that approach. I fight smart and when I lose learn from THAT to get smarter.
The poster above (Wiley) gets it.
You are cheating. Not in this game, its just a game, who cares. Youre cheating yourself, thinking that you might be better, look bigger, get a better score, even a K/D of 50. And? Once a medicore stick catches you, you will be dead in 2 turns. Just you and him, equal chances, still you will lose every single time. You will realise it, and will play to avoid them. To avoid contacts with your playing partners. You will play and pay not to see combat in a combat game. Such a majestic goal, isnt it?
Youre lost, a noone, and following the path youre on, you will never be anyone. Good luck in promoting your lies. Give yourself a medal of honor.
This is my opinion. Might be harsh, i dont really care. Flame on.
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Lighten up Debrody.
Vraciu is my friend :)
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Lighten up Debrody.
Vraciu is my friend :)
Told my point straight and clean - feeling better now - time to forget this wannabe.
Wont post in this thread any more.
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Lighten up Debrody.
Vraciu is my friend :)
Thanks, bud. :cheers:
Funny he continues to imply I don't or won't fight. Nowhere did I say that I avoid combat. Debrody proceeds from a false assumption and incorrect, self-devised premise.
Zones, I think you know full well that I engage. You have my scalp to prove it. :)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
you already said you wont fight if you don't like the situation.
I find it funny that you think you will actually get better by being cautious....and yet call yourself "fearless"....then compare things in the real world to this game.....as reasons you wont fight while you don't have advantage.....
you are like a walking oxymoron.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
you already said you wont fight if you don't like the situation.
I find it funny that you think you will actually get better by being cautious....and yet call yourself "fearless"....then compare things in the real world to this game.....as reasons you wont fight while you don't have advantage.....
you are like a walking oxymoron.
I will fight but I will try to push things closer to equal terms if disadvantaged first unless I think I can reverse the bad guy by engaging.
Learn to read. I never said I won't fight without an advantage. Stop lying.
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I will fight but I will try to push things closer to equal terms if disadvantaged first unless I think I can reverse the bad guy by engaging.
Learn to read. I never said I won't fight without an advantage. Stop lying.
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maybe you should go back.....and reread what you said.... :aok
here because YOU said I am lying I will go back and find that post.
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Depends on my energy state. I will extend and reverse if disadvantaged. Otherwise I will fight right away.
you need to say what you mean and mean what you say.....
you cant be "fearless" and flee...err......"extend" when disadvantaged.....
fighting the fights where YOU have the advantage teaches you NOTHING.....
its the fights that you lose.....the fights against better Numbers....better Altitude opponent ....better planes....that you will learn the fastest.
ether way I am done with this convo and you. :aok
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you need to say what you mean and mean what you say.....
you cant be "fearless" and flee...err......"extend" when disadvantaged.....
fighting the fights where YOU have the advantage teaches you NOTHING.....
its the fights that you lose.....the fights against better Numbers....better Altitude opponent ....better planes....that you will learn the fastest.
ether way I am done with this convo and you. :aok
Extend and reverse. Not extend and go home. When you have E on me I am gonna try and drag you into wasting your advantage wherever possible unless I am just feeling foggy that day.
That is a far cry from your continuous libel, "You will only fight when you have the advantage."
It is a spectrum with sure defeat on one end and assured victory on the other. Neutral is in the middle. Guess you missed that
Frankly, I am glad you're shutting up. You only contribute insults and lies about me any way.
Also, extending is part of a fight. For someone who claims to be such an ACM stud I have to wonder why this most basic aspect of dogfighting is lost on you. That explains why you indulge in ad hominems. Better to distract from your own deficiencies that way perhaps...
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:rofl
maybe you should go back.....and reread what you said.... :aok
here because YOU said I am lying I will go back and find that post.
In bizarro world.....you tell the truth. Only there.
Thanks to those with the kind PMs. Glad there is some contingent around here that gets what I said.
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Wasting you time ink. Grab a beer.
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Things are getting out of hand here...
How about we put our differences aside and enjoy some music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7MhpFF1vv0
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Things are getting out of hand here...
How about we put our differences aside and enjoy some music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7MhpFF1vv0
10:1 it is a Rick Roll! :rofl
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10:1 it is a Rick Roll! :rofl
Nope:
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Snow ( Hey oh )
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Wasting you time ink. Grab a beer.
true that
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1/10.
Again, "We are right because we have always done it that way."
Whatever.
I will extend when I want and fight when I want how I want. I will not enter every single fight just because you say I should. If you wish to fight every time and never extend that's your business. I will learn my limitations and fight within them.
I will learn to recognize an untenable situation and get out of it. You feel free to stay in it past that point by rote and lose. That's your prerogative.
All this combined "experience" you tout as a positive reeks of groupthink and lack of a fresh eye view. That's your right, but a right doesn't prevent one from being very very wrong.
Dude you're a trip. LOL have it your way man. When you get that 6 kill sortie that takes you an hour cause you reverse and extend every time you lose the advantage let us all know.
Thank you though, I just realized my favorite aspect of AH, that being: regaining/gaining the advantage from a mistake I made (without running away) or because I got unexpectedly bounced, only to turn the tables and claim victory!
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Thank you though, I just realized my favorite aspect of AH, that being: regaining/gaining the advantage from a mistake I made (without running away) or because I got unexpectedly bounced, only to turn the tables and claim victory!
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003166797/3343707701_MShippo3792_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
And you say he's on a trip. :lol
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I really don't see any reason why a very small amount of perks can't be awarded to someone that gets an assist. The amount of perks though should be very low, maybe something like 1%-2% of the perks awarded for the kill.
ack-ack
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There are so many times ill get into a fight lasting a few turns fire a small burst, knock a wing or tail off watch the con crash and presto, an assist.
So im inclined to agree to a small amount of perks be awarded. The 1-2% seems reasonable
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true that
Half of his kills this month are bombers :noid
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Half of his kills this month are bombers :noid
which are, according to frequent threads in this forum, the most dangerous, overmodeled prey there is... :noid
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which are, according to frequent threads in this forum, the most dangerous, overmodeled prey there is... :noid
:rofl
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Half of his kills this month are bombers :noid
So are a third of yours. You edged him out by one in C-47 kills though. :aok
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+1
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Lol thanks Shifty, HornetUK, Wiley, Zoney, etc. :cheers:
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(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003166797/3343707701_MShippo3792_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
And you say he's on a trip. :lol
You enjoy winning only from advantageous positions? :headscratch:
That must get old.
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You enjoy winning only from advantageous positions? :headscratch:
That must get old.
Where did I say that? Or are you accusing me so you can continue posturing as an elite brave lone wolf hero pixel warrior?
You know like you did when you and your friends decided its cool to gangtard a noob in this thread? Come on tell everybody some more about how the noob has to come back tell
you guys when he gets six kills while you claim VICTORY! It's pretty funny seeing all you guys spouting how you love to fight against the odds ganging up
to overwhelm one new guy in a wish list thread. Really heroic stuff you should be commended. :aok
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This has gone completely off the runway.