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Title: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: dallash on November 24, 2021, 06:21:32 AM
Howdy Gents,

I would like to give a special shout-out and request to the folks who fall asleep drunk at the keyboard, or just walk off and leave the game while in tower. Are you folks hanging out in the hopes that your country will win, and you will get the meager perks that are awarded? Do you get distracted and forget you are logged in?

I have heard it said that "it doesn't affect anything", and that may be the case with the number of people who are logged in at night when you call it quits. But it is, quite regularly, a pain in the butt to the morning crew. I am not going to name any names, but there are two guys in the tower right now at 6 am CST and it is causing the Bishops to have ENY, even though we really have the equivalent number of players actively playing. Almost every morning, these guys cause their teammates to fly higher ENY planes and the auto-switchers don't ever join and help because it looks like we outnumber everyone. I cannot count the number of times I have had to take an Ostwind instead of a Wirb, or 24's instead of Lancs, or not take off in B29's at all.

If this is you or one of your squaddies, I am asking that you think about your fellow AH players. My schedule just doesn't allow for playing at night when it is busiest, and we morning guys are faced with this every day. I have seen it happen to the rooks quite a bit frequently, and I am sure it has happened to the Knights in the past.

Thanks for your consideration in this matter :-)

D
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Max on November 24, 2021, 06:56:24 AM
Many, many AH community members have asked Dale to auto-boot tower sitters, or come up with a formula that nullifies their effect on ENY. Obviously it's never happened, nor have I ever heard from the boss-man as to why. Has HTC ever addressed this?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: The Fugitive on November 24, 2021, 08:31:31 AM
Many, many AH community members have asked Dale to auto-boot tower sitters, or come up with a formula that nullifies their effect on ENY. Obviously it's never happened, nor have I ever heard from the boss-man as to why. Has HTC ever addressed this?

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Peanut1 on November 24, 2021, 09:51:54 PM
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
dude str8 don't care and never did
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Tracerfi on November 24, 2021, 10:01:45 PM
dude str8 don't care and never did
I cannot for the life of me understand why you seem to comment on every thread that Hitech is this and Hitech doesn't care or wont bother to do this. If you have such a massive hate for him don't comment we get tired of seeing it. If you cannot say anything nice don't say it easy as that
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Peanut1 on November 24, 2021, 10:48:02 PM
I cannot for the life of me understand why you seem to comment on every thread that Hitech is this and Hitech doesn't care or wont bother to do this. If you have such a massive hate for him don't comment we get tired of seeing it. If you cannot say anything nice don't say it easy as that
Absolutely no hate for him. Have you seen his inactivity at all? Hes going up to a week at a time without even looking at the forums. Retardation is the only good reason for people to continue making wishes.. this games nothing but a way to pay for his gas anymore. Very clear he is A OK with letting it putter out and never coming out of the Captain's bunk to entertain any last players. Nothing against him, just str8 retarded to think he's going to do anything else for us.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Scotch on November 24, 2021, 11:50:46 PM
He's shown that the whole time.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: whiteman on November 25, 2021, 09:49:02 AM
Absolutely no hate for him. Have you seen his inactivity at all? Hes going up to a week at a time without even looking at the forums. Retardation is the only good reason for people to continue making wishes.. this games nothing but a way to pay for his gas anymore. Very clear he is A OK with letting it putter out and never coming out of the Captain's bunk to entertain any last players. Nothing against him, just str8 retarded to think he's going to do anything else for us.

The entire skin submission, update and adoption system was completely overhauled recently. It has made it light years easier to update, adopt and also correct skin name changes. He’s working on things in the background.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: oboe on November 25, 2021, 10:24:25 AM
I remember him saying the next thing on his list was code mods to support the Vulcan API, which is all under-the-hood kind of stuff.   
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Peanut1 on November 25, 2021, 04:55:49 PM
The entire skin submission, update and adoption system was completely overhauled recently. It has made it light years easier to update, adopt and also correct skin name changes. He’s working on things in the background.
Skins are the very last thing this game needs to continue....but cool.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: The Fugitive on November 25, 2021, 09:44:57 PM
The entire skin submission, update and adoption system was completely overhauled recently. It has made it light years easier to update, adopt and also correct skin name changes. He’s working on things in the background.

quite possibly so Hitech wouldn't have to work so hard after you guys roll out a bunch of skins.

I remember him saying the next thing on his list was code mods to support the Vulcan API, which is all under-the-hood kind of stuff.   


Yes, a great bunch of software to make the game run better....... as we lose more and more players.

Skins are the very last thing this game needs to continue....but cool.

Agreed, the only updates the game gets any more. I hear there are 3 maps completed and are just waiting on approval by Hitech, 2 by Kong, and 1 by Kenii
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: MrGeezer on November 26, 2021, 03:25:24 AM
It's AMAZING that except for Fugi the majority of the rest are folks who haven't played since the 2000's are posting.   


PAY YOUR SUB.....then you can gripe.


ROX



Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on November 26, 2021, 02:26:46 PM
It's AMAZING that except for Fugi the majority of the rest are folks who haven't played since the 2000's are posting.   


PAY YOUR SUB.....then you can gripe.


ROX

I have paid my sub since starting... unbroken. I have not played since February freeze this time. Last time was over a year when our home was flooded after Harvey. I still have not canceled.  :D
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: toddbobe on November 26, 2021, 02:56:48 PM
Howdy Gents,

I would like to give a special shout-out and request to the folks who fall asleep drunk at the keyboard, or just walk off and leave the game while in tower. Are you folks hanging out in the hopes that your country will win, and you will get the meager perks that are awarded? Do you get distracted and forget you are logged in?

I have heard it said that "it doesn't affect anything", and that may be the case with the number of people who are logged in at night when you call it quits. But it is, quite regularly, a pain in the butt to the morning crew. I am not going to name any names, but there are two guys in the tower right now at 6 am CST and it is causing the Bishops to have ENY, even though we really have the equivalent number of players actively playing. Almost every morning, these guys cause their teammates to fly higher ENY planes and the auto-switchers don't ever join and help because it looks like we outnumber everyone. I cannot count the number of times I have had to take an Ostwind instead of a Wirb, or 24's instead of Lancs, or not take off in B29's at all.

If this is you or one of your squaddies, I am asking that you think about your fellow AH players. My schedule just doesn't allow for playing at night when it is busiest, and we morning guys are faced with this every day. I have seen it happen to the rooks quite a bit frequently, and I am sure it has happened to the Knights in the past.

Thanks for your consideration in this matter :-)

D
Haz ANYonE SeeN CYBRo reCently??? hahaha
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Oldman731 on November 26, 2021, 10:01:42 PM
PAY YOUR SUB.....then you can gripe.


ROX and I come from very different points of the game...but on this point, I very much agree with him.

- oldman (and that may be a first!)
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on December 02, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
I didn't ask..... can I pay my sub and not gripe?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: haggerty on December 03, 2021, 01:16:17 AM
As an overseas player I see it many times, as an autoswitcher I'll be on the team with the least players wondering why I cant get a single person to help.  I always see the same names every day tower sitting and taking up space on the team and we end up not getting any other autoswitchers to help. 
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: BHawk51 on December 15, 2021, 06:14:00 PM
I've texted with several players over the years about this same problem. I'm wondering instead of booting the Tower Campers, why not have them moved to the O Club where they can have a cocktail while AFK? Then change the logarithm to not have the O Club count against the ENY. I'm guilty as well of forgetting to log off for one reason or another, and I know the feeling of seeing half of your country camping the tower.

 
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: SmokinLoon on December 16, 2021, 08:44:39 AM
Full disclosure... I'm not a tower camper and I've been paying since Jan of 2008.

With the catalog of aircraft available in AH... THIS is an issue? Which 5 ENY (or 10 ENY?) aircraft can't you do without??? 
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 16, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
Eny should only focus on players in the air currently.

Not sure if its an easy fix, but that makes a lot more sense.
 I believe the only reason why they aren't booted is so the #s look good and keep people logging in late at night or early morning when they log in. It's better to see 15 players in the arena than 5.

People who aren't actively in the fight should not represent ENY.
 
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: icepac on December 16, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
Some people leave multiplayer games up all the time.     It's like a window into different world.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/8203/8253417414_73a9272640_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Oldman731 on December 16, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
With the catalog of aircraft available in AH... THIS is an issue? Which 5 ENY (or 10 ENY?) aircraft can't you do without???


Agreed.

- oldman
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on December 16, 2021, 03:15:07 PM
Some people leave multiplayer games up all the time.     It's like a window into different world.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/8203/8253417414_73a9272640_c.jpg)

LOL kind of eerie nut yeah.



Agreed.

- oldman

I agree with this.... because Oldman does.  :aok    :D
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Eagler on December 16, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
They probably spawned the metaverse concept :)

I don't think we have seen creepy yet...

Eagler
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: guncrasher on December 16, 2021, 03:27:02 PM
I was playing last night. when numbers dropped to around 20 per country, there was about about even numbers of players in the tower. when they dropped to around 10 or 12 it was still an even number of players in tower 4 or 5 per country.

even hitech himself has said if they want to stay in the game they will find a way.

semp
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: guncrasher on December 16, 2021, 10:34:59 PM
right now bishops are hording for a change.  about 10 players per country in tower, checked several times in last 1/2 hour.


semp
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: turt21 on December 17, 2021, 06:30:13 PM
Question ...If you bail near a bad guy field then hide, does it flash the base? Had it happen last night. GV dar was up but GV not to be seen anywhere.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2021, 06:33:50 PM
Question ...If you bail near a bad guy field then hide, does it flash the base? Had it happen last night. GV dar was up but GV not to be seen anywhere.

Yes it does...
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: diaster on December 21, 2021, 11:40:17 AM

With the catalog of aircraft available in AH... THIS is an issue? Which 5 ENY (or 10 ENY?) aircraft can't you do without???
I have been in the mornings PST and the eny was so bad we could only up an early zeke off the carrier. Other times flying 25+ eny planes against a horde of F4U-4s. We had more in game but half the numbers in the air. So.. 5 to 10 eny no biggie, but 25+ eny because of tower campers, yes it’s a big deal. Same with a Jeep flashing a base, pulls resources. Idle time out is the tool, no way around that. 10 minutes no movement, server kick, easy to implement. If you are poaching in a tank, just swing the turret. If you go to sleep or pass out drunk, someone gets a Proxies maybe. If you are tin the tower….no harm no foul just kicked out of game.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: icepac on January 17, 2022, 11:07:42 AM
Creative gameplay has given way to whack-a-mole. 

Base flashes, up a spit with a bomb and repeat.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Lusche on January 17, 2022, 12:22:46 PM
Same with a Jeep flashing a base, pulls resources.


It's really something special when someone is ranting incessantly about "cheaters watching film to kill his GV, why doesn't HTC ban them" when he got finally killed after making the base flash for way over an hour in a well hidden vehicle far away from field & town.

At times, this games seems to be full of hypocrites.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: whiteman on January 18, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
Question ...If you bail near a bad guy field then hide, does it flash the base? Had it happen last night. GV dar was up but GV not to be seen anywhere.

Pilots will show a airplane icon, not gv dar.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: decoy on January 18, 2022, 06:09:50 PM
Pilots will show a airplane icon, not gv dar.

Yeah, I've seen that with friendlies.  Do enemies still have a plane icon that's visible? 
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: whiteman on January 19, 2022, 09:57:51 PM
Yeah, I've seen that with friendlies.  Do enemies still have a plane icon that's visible? 

Yes sir.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: waystin2 on January 21, 2022, 09:59:28 AM
I woke up to read this.  Going back to sleep.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: shppr01 on January 23, 2022, 07:28:42 PM
When I first started to play, I would tower camp. Not to change anything, but to just simply download the skins. If in fact some are doing this, I would say to have them move to an arena that isnt occupied or set up an arena and do it there.. Maybe an idea?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: guncrasher on January 23, 2022, 09:36:47 PM
I didnt feel well thursday night. went to the bathroom then went to bed, my puter was up for 4 days.  dont even know who won the war.


semp
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: molybdenum on January 24, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
Nice research to pull that up fugi, but it was from 2014. Not meant to denigrate your effort at all, but that was almost 8 years ago, numbers have dwindled, and the times they are a-changing. What HT tolerated then hopefully won't be the case now, given that just a few overnight tower sitters can have a very discouraging effect on the people wanting to play in the morning and unable to up a decent ride because of them.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: The Fugitive on January 25, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
Nice research to pull that up fugi, but it was from 2014. Not meant to denigrate your effort at all, but that was almost 8 years ago, numbers have dwindled, and the times they are a-changing. What HT tolerated then hopefully won't be the case now, given that just a few overnight tower sitters can have a very discouraging effect on the people wanting to play in the morning and unable to up a decent ride because of them.

I didn't dig it up, I have saved about 20 links where info like this was posted over the years.

Times are changing, but the situation is  the same. Then we had better numbers so we had 50 tower sitters, now we have 10. It still creates the same situation. Why would you think Hitech s a swer would be any different?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Eagler on January 25, 2022, 12:18:22 PM
What is winning the war?

Ppl stay logged in just to get whatever that gives them?

Really??

Eagler
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: lutrel on January 25, 2022, 12:41:22 PM
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug;  I personally enjoy defending and letting the kills come to me. As for tower sitting, I very rarely get pulled away and forget that I'm logged on; nine times out of ten if I'm in the tower for more than a few minutes I'm making a 'samich or beating on the grandkids.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Stang on January 25, 2022, 03:07:58 PM
dude str8 don't care and never did

Nah, he answered it and I think correctly.  It's like squeaking about the guy who busts you sitting 3rd base in blackjack.  You only remember when that guy hurt you, never when he didn't play correctly but it helped you.  It all washes out over the long term though.  Just like tower sitters and ENY.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: diaster on January 26, 2022, 11:08:15 PM
Full disclosure... I'm not a tower camper and I've been paying since Jan of 2008.

With the catalog of aircraft available in AH... THIS is an issue? Which 5 ENY (or 10 ENY?) aircraft can't you do without???
at one point, couldn’t even fly off the cv. Other times, eny 30 + planes vs a fleet of F4U-4 we outnumbered in the tower but 1/3 the players flying. At one point we had 20 in game 3 flying and being hit on two fronts and had eny to boot.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: dallash on January 29, 2022, 08:06:52 AM
I spoke to the couple or three of guys in question, and they were nice enough to log out when done. For quite while there (and at various times in the past), bishops had the same 4 or 5 guys who didn't log off the night before. At the time they went to bed, there were sufficient numbers such that it didn't matter. By the time I logged in early US time, we would outnumber the nits, and had ENY (sometimes over 20), yet I would literally be the only one (or one of two players) actually awake and flying for the country. 

D
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: molybdenum on February 02, 2022, 03:07:54 PM
And it appears to have made a difference. The transformation of cybro from Bish to Rook has also made a difference. May these differences persist!
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Vinkman on February 07, 2022, 08:41:04 AM
All of this whining is brought to you by existence of the ENY handicapping system.  Another example of ENY creating more problems than it solves.  It was turned off for a while and it was great.

It’s too bad that system of handicapping players and countries was ever invented.   It is truly the stupidest and most detrimental piece if game code.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Lusche on February 07, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
All of this whining is brought to you by existence of the ENY handicapping system.  Another example of ENY creating more problems than it solves.  It was turned off for a while and it was great.

When was ENY ever turned off? In the past 17 years I can't remember ever such a thing happening?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: whiteman on February 07, 2022, 09:16:58 AM
When was ENY ever turned off? In the past 17 years I can't remember ever such a thing happening?  :headscratch:

It was some time in the last year or 2 for a short period, it was obviously great for those that like to run with the higher number side. I remember nothing great about it, closer to a joke and no reason to stay logged on if you were trying to help the lower numbered sides.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Lusche on February 07, 2022, 09:42:23 AM
It was some time in the last year or 2 for a short period

Thank you, will do some digging.  :old:
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Eagler on February 07, 2022, 09:51:33 AM
Everyone should be auto assigned to a country to balance the sides with players required to opt out if they want to be assigned only to one country..the opposite it is now

Never understood the drive to win a map over better overall gameplay...little egos needing pampering is my guess

Eagler
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Vinkman on February 07, 2022, 10:33:11 AM
It was some time in the last year or 2 for a short period, it was obviously great for those that like to run with the higher number side. I remember nothing great about it, closer to a joke and no reason to stay logged on if you were trying to help the lower numbered sides.

Why does the lower number side need help?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Lusche on February 07, 2022, 11:07:06 AM
Once upon a time, the ENY in EW arena was practically nonexistent. One side (represented mostly by a single highly organized squad) often had like 4+ times the population of the other countries combined, yet was still able to fly the (at that time) most capable and dangerous fighter available, the Hurricane IIC.
 
In the end, the opposition simply walked out. Being constantly outnumbered AND facing top level fighters was too much for most of them. The dominating side simply continued to grab now totally undefended base.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Vinkman on February 07, 2022, 11:38:47 AM
Once upon a time, the ENY in EW arena was practically nonexistent. One side (represented mostly by a single highly organized squad) often had like 4+ times the population of the other countries combined, yet was still able to fly the (at that time) most capable and dangerous fighter available, the Hurricane IIC.
 
In the end, the opposition simply walked out. Being constantly outnumbered AND facing top level fighters was too much for most of them. The dominating side simply continued to grab now totally undefended base.

in a three way war on large maps, who is outnumbered has very little to do with what team has the fewest people logged on. So the algorithm isn’t sophisticated enough create “even” and “fair” action.  It’s a solution that is worse than the problem.  This thread should be binned under “Another reason why ENY sucks”.   Instead of the straw-man problem of “people sitting in towers”.

 :salute


Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on February 07, 2022, 04:43:24 PM
I suggest you just leave the fan on and plenty of toilet paper. Some folks tend to take longer than others and... umm.. uhh... oh wait....SITTERS .....  never mind.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Eagler on February 08, 2022, 07:51:10 AM
I suggest you just leave the fan on and plenty of toilet paper. Some folks tend to take longer than others and... umm.. uhh... oh wait....SITTERS .....  never mind.

Yep they forgot the "H" in this thread  :)

Eagler
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: icepac on February 16, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
Tower party still going.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7335/10737100406_f5c12fbeef_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Gatr on February 17, 2022, 09:23:38 AM
Need to add some cots to the towers I guess ?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on February 17, 2022, 04:36:14 PM
Need to add some cots to the towers I guess ?

.... or more toilets. That guy above is squatting.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: turt21 on February 18, 2022, 07:57:23 AM
Everyone should be auto assigned to a country to balance the sides with players required to opt out if they want to be assigned only to one country..the opposite it is now

Never understood the drive to win a map over better overall gameplay...little egos needing pampering is my guess

Eagler

And if someone logs in a little too late for squad night?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: icepac on February 24, 2022, 12:56:43 PM
I got banned from the O'club for misbehavior so I have to hang out in the other buildings.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/8382/8557492108_c866aab047_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/8291/7680895488_03829946f4_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: PFactorDavid on February 24, 2022, 08:48:38 PM
Funny, this topic used to pop up every year or so a decade and more ago.   lol :old:
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 24, 2022, 09:28:43 PM
Everyone should be auto assigned to a country to balance the sides with players required to opt out if they want to be assigned only to one country..the opposite it is now

Never understood the drive to win a map over better overall gameplay...little egos needing pampering is my guess

Eagler

No, that would kill squads much like the arena split did originally.

The EW failed because of the huge map. Same with the mid war. The real reason for unbalanced teams is the maps. With large maps, it takes too long to get to a fight to die. It deters players who want to defend. It keeps the other sides #s low because it's hard to coordinate people to defend a field when it takes 8-9 minutes to get there to defend, only to die quickly to a gang. No one has the patience to fly that far for it. Why is it so hard to understand?
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Shuffler on February 25, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
Really miss mid war. Lots of good times with great folks.
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Eagler on February 25, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
Maybe squads are the issue ...

If they can't fight themselves for the benefit of the game where are we?

Sometimes they are just the excuse they use when ganging and picking

Eagler
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 25, 2022, 03:04:18 PM
Really miss mid war. Lots of good times with great folks.

Amen to that SHuff <S>
Title: Re: Overnight Tower Sitters
Post by: Dichotomy on February 27, 2022, 08:25:12 PM
If you catch me sitting in the tower overnight just boot me.  I'm asleep most likely.