ENY, What is it good for? Absolutely Nothing! lol.
I thought everyone agreed we all loved it when we had that ENY Holiday a few years back? Whatever happened to the idea of scrapping ENY?
About a half dozen players 'loved' it. :old:
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: lunaticfringe on June 05, 2022, 05:30:46 PM
Another dead horse ENY complaint
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Bopgun on June 05, 2022, 05:49:45 PM
Refusing to even sides is why ENY is necessary. Ive never found it to hinder me what so ever, even when I’m stuck on the side with a 20-30eny limit
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: sanfordpaul on June 05, 2022, 06:00:26 PM
I like ENY. Makes you fly different planes.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: RotBaron on June 05, 2022, 08:57:10 PM
Nearly every night after ~midnight EST one country (usually Knights) will have ~2x the players of the other countries, often even more than both combined, yet will have less in flight.
When ENY is 20+ forget about any fair chance in the GV game.
The old argument that 10 tower sitters up all at the same time/run a mission and that’s why ENY is good is null at this point. There’s just not enough players at off peak for that to happen, except on rare occasion. The only missions I see at anytime anymore are Bish and few and far between.
When there’s less than 50 players on I don’t see how it helps anything at all, and that’s also when ENY changes are the most drastic.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Rezdog on June 05, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
ENY is useless. It's an unnecessary annoyance at best, doesn't work as intended unless that intent was to discourage players from this game, and a PITA for mission planners. As far as attempting to even things out, you get more millage out of the side switcher thing than ENY on a good day.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldman731 on June 05, 2022, 09:54:23 PM
- oldman (...but...but...what if I don't WANT to fly different planes??)
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 06, 2022, 07:28:17 AM
Looks like ENY works as intended. Some were not flying.... probably doing what you were doing, taking a while to investigate why they are limited. The simple fix, even sides.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 07, 2022, 07:23:28 AM
Looks like ENY works as intended. Some were not flying.... probably doing what you were doing, taking a while to investigate why they are limited. The simple fix, even sides.
Why is “even” the goal? strength varies. the wars are won. the goal is to win the war. the goal is not “Stalemate”.
ENY sacrifices player choice and fun for the nefarious desire for stalemate. It proves that Anyone who supports ENY is a sore loser, more concerned about not losing, than winning. This Explains why there are so many runners in this game. Players afraid a losing dominate the culture of this game, rather than the brave trying to win. The fact that it is a cartoon should be enough to quell fears of loss. But the fragile egos of the chickens in this game must be protected. So hamstringing your opponents is seen a good thing.
ENY is for chickens, which defines too many of the players that in this game who support it.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: The Fugitive on June 07, 2022, 08:24:09 AM
ENY is to slow the winners down. If there was no ENY it wouldn't be long before one team would always have the numbers advantage as well as the equipment advantage. ENY is there to keep the GAME even and as fair to all players as possible, that it is fun for all. It is a game, NOT war.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Mongoose on June 07, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
ENY is to slow the winners down. If there was no ENY it wouldn't be long before one team would always have the numbers advantage as well as the equipment advantage. ENY is there to keep the GAME even and as fair to all players as possible, that it is fun for all. It is a game, NOT war.
Well said. I hate ENY. Hate it. But I understand why it is there, and why it needs to be there. So we live with it.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 07, 2022, 12:49:39 PM
ENY is to slow the winners down. If there was no ENY it wouldn't be long before one team would always have the numbers advantage as well as the equipment advantage. ENY is there to keep the GAME even and as fair to all players as possible, that it is fun for all. It is a game, NOT war.
This is it in a nutshell.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 07, 2022, 02:36:56 PM
Why do the winners need to be slowed down? one side wins. the map resets. People can’t switch for 6 hours if they move. You’re imagining that people all switch to the side with more people. ENY is for whiners who don’t like losing. I’m on every morning when the Bish have double the numbers and roll bases. So what? Good for Jokers for being organized and showing up in a group. BUT no the whiners need them in to be in crappy planes. Shame on you for not thinking of tour fellow players. It’s all about you. Whaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 07, 2022, 02:53:50 PM
Funny how the biggest 'waaaa' I'm reading in this thread comes from you, Vinkie. :old:
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 07, 2022, 04:15:46 PM
Why do the winners need to be slowed down? one side wins. the map resets. People can’t switch for 6 hours if they move. You’re imagining that people all switch to the side with more people. ENY is for whiners who don’t like losing. I’m on every morning when the Bish have double the numbers and roll bases. So what? Good for Jokers for being organized and showing up in a group. BUT no the whiners need them in to be in crappy planes. Shame on you for not thinking of tour fellow players. It’s all about you. Whaaaaaaaaa
It is interesting that it is just the opposite of what you posted. People seem to be whining about eny. It's like they hit their thumb with a hammer, say it hurts, then turn around and do it again.
Decide what you prefer. Stay where you are at, or change sides. You will be on another side for a few hours, make the most of it.
You have other choices..... log off if you prefer. That helps even sides too. Call some friends to sign on and join the other side. I am sure there are more.... it's your choice.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Eagler on June 07, 2022, 06:41:47 PM
Sign up for country auto assign and it will not be a concern
Eagler
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 07, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
I know what I want. I want people to not be forced or coerced into switching side by taking their toys away. Both of those are undesired for team effected by ENY. This worse of two evils choice is forced on them by the whiners who demanded ENY be turned back on.
Booo to them.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 07, 2022, 08:12:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JqxwRDz.png)
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 07, 2022, 08:14:24 PM
memes. lol
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 07, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Bopgun on June 07, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
I really don’t see why ENY is such a big deal. Every major model of aircraft has great representation throughout the ENY range. Fly an F4U-1 instead of a 1A. Fly a P47d25 instead of a P47N/M. Fly a LA5 instead of a LA7. Fly a 109g14 instead of a K4. Fly a 190-A5 instead of a D9. I could go on and on
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 08, 2022, 05:48:08 AM
I really don’t see why ENY is such a big deal. Every major model of aircraft has great representation throughout the ENY range. Fly an F4U-1 instead of a 1A. Fly a P47d25 instead of a P47N/M. Fly a LA5 instead of a LA7. Fly a 109g14 instead of a K4. Fly a 190-A5 instead of a D9. I could go on and on
It's more about the Jabo and ground attack than it is about air to air. Early and early mid war fighters do not have good jabo selections for fighters. It's really hard if you are coming from a CV and cannot get an F6F or Dhog.
I think ENY should either be perked based on perks where you have to spend a lot of perks to fly a plane due to the # embalance. OR it should only count planes/GVs in the air and use that as a the variable. Tower sitters absolutely can cause ENY to change with very low #s on the map. Its also causes players to log because they cannot fly their plane. By perking them, it gives them a chance to fly their plane atleast. I've noticed many times that sides with ENY get outnumbered at the fight due to that is where the main fight is, only to have one side fly in early mid war planes while the other side is fighting in La7s and spit16s. That's why I think it makes more since based on planes/GVs actually in a sortie rather than just take everyone on the roster and count it that way.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 08, 2022, 05:48:30 AM
Arlo who never flies. Another guy that fights harder on the boards or on 200 than he does in game. :rofl
I've upset you (easily) I see. :D
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 08, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
No I’m not upset, despite your efforts to do so. I look at this thread and three biggest proponents of ENY are people that don’t even play anymore. Your ancient beliefs no longer represent the playing community. Yet the opinions on the board helped bring back ENY.
Thanks for helping ruin it for the people that actually play. :rolleyes:
If you want to help the game, get a subscription and play all the time. When you do, play bravely.
:salute
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 08, 2022, 09:09:15 AM
No I’m not upset, despite your efforts to do so. I look at this thread and three biggest proponents of ENY are people that don’t even play anymore. Your ancient beliefs no longer represent the playing community. Yet the opinions on the board helped bring back ENY.
Thanks for helping ruin it for the people that actually play. :rolleyes:
If you want to help the game, get a subscription and play all the time. When you do, play bravely.
:salute
ENY actually enhances 'bravery' in this game (IE: flying P-40s to roll a map or flying for lower numbers to defend).
Unless ... wait .... ENY works differently now than it has during my last 4 CPIDs? There's been a swelling in the ranks of those emotionally overcome over it in the last two years? (I know you've been upset over it for more than two years.) Force projection at its 'finest' there, Vink. Finally, can you cite all my CPID incarnations?
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 08, 2022, 11:55:50 AM
I still play. I have had my account active for 20+ years. I have never had an issue with ENY.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Bopgun on June 08, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
It's more about the Jabo and ground attack than it is about air to air. Early and early mid war fighters do not have good jabo selections for fighters. It's really hard if you are coming from a CV and cannot get an F6F or Dhog.
TBM carries the same amount of Ords as a DHog :old:
Sure its not a very capable fighter, but maybe a F4u-1 with a single 1000lb bomb can give it a hand
Id agree perking low ENY fighters rather than restricting them may be a better concept. However I think you’d have the same people complaining about that as well
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shane on June 08, 2022, 06:53:47 PM
Here's a recent sampling of morning numbers. (The data are from screenshots I saved, all times are CST.) I'm sure the Bish were facing 20-29 ENY. As the day progresses the numbers even out, but the battles are often feast or famine with either 2 sides ganging up on one, or two sides going at it full tilt and the third being left alone to roll back bases vs minimal opposition.
But the overall tone is set in the mornings and this is where it starts. This is where ENY kicks in - rare to see it in the evenings until around 11pm cst when numbers drop off and even then it's not as restricted like in the mornings (3 - 12 max and not for any extended time.)
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 09, 2022, 02:43:48 AM
Many of the most experienced people have the most perks. They don't need the best planes to be successful. I don't even fly much since I was unable to fly for almost a year after my home flooded and I have close to 60,000 perks. I know others who have more.
I have never had a problem with flying on any side. I have never had a issue with ENY.
I have yet to see anything better to even sides. That doesn't mean to stop thinking about it. One might search and see what has been suggested in the past though.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 09, 2022, 05:45:38 AM
ENY ain’t the problem. The problem is all those who are sitting in tower. Yesterday Bish had 32 logged in and only 17 in flight’s.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Eagler on June 09, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
Maybe they are twitter bots in the tower :)
Looks like bish have the numbers the majority of the time
Eagler
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 09, 2022, 07:40:10 AM
ENY ain’t the problem. The problem is all those who are sitting in tower. Yesterday Bish had 32 logged in and only 17 in flight’s.
Looks like they still far outnumbered the other sides. Even if all of the others on the other side were flying, which you did not clarify.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 09, 2022, 08:18:36 AM
So why are they sitting in tower if they are not playing? Those who are doing that are the major problem to make the ENY go way up. And I have screenshot of a person that was telling on 200 that he was going to change over to bish just to make the ENY go up. And so he did…
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: whiteman on June 09, 2022, 09:24:10 AM
Looks like bish have the numbers the majority of the time
Eagler
I've been on the other side of this with 7 guys and i was the only one in flight. I even typed on country channel to see if anyone was would reply, tried for the next 10 minutes then logged off. This was also around the time of the no eny experiment, i logged off because there was zero fun in fighting 3 51D's a 190D and LA7. Also include the lancs and M3 I was trying to slow down. That directly correlates to my drop off in play time. Pretty much show up for FSO, 1 hour squad night and some time before and after that at this point.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shane on June 09, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
Today's morning sampling.
6/9/22 9:45am CST
B:22 K:6 R:5 in game B:14 K:3 R:2 in flight
29.0 ENY for Bishops, none for Knights/Rooks.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 09, 2022, 09:55:15 AM
Too bad it doesn't limit active bases forcing closer fights of all 3 countries
Eagler
Yeah, I love flying the mid-war planes and some early-war planes, very seldom have I been affected by Eny kicking in...but it's happened...more when the numbers start dropping off early in the early morning hours before dawn...
But I can't say anything about the current situation since I just got my controllers issue fixed...
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Eagler on June 09, 2022, 11:32:23 AM
Probably make some mad but I am all for switching ma for early war and mid war arenas in the name of game play variety...
Next month go mid war with August setp as early war and September back to regular MA
During those non MA months another tab can have it setup for those that can't fit into anything but late model planes
Eagler
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 09, 2022, 11:38:24 AM
So why are they sitting in tower if they are not playing? Those who are doing that are the major problem to make the ENY go way up. And I have screenshot of a person that was telling on 200 that he was going to change over to bish just to make the ENY go up. And so he did…
I can see where someone might be upset that no one will change to even sides and so they move to that side to increase player numbers. It helps nothing but that is the way some will do.
Those not in flight help nothing. Looking at it, if they were not in the game, the numbers would still be skewed. They really are not affecting the ENY.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: turt21 on June 09, 2022, 01:01:22 PM
How do you find this??
6/9/22 9:45am CST
B:22 K:6 R:5 in game B:14 K:3 R:2 in flight
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 09, 2022, 01:27:50 PM
TBM carries the same amount of Ords as a DHog :old:
Sure its not a very capable fighter, but maybe a F4u-1 with a single 1000lb bomb can give it a hand
Id agree perking low ENY fighters rather than restricting them may be a better concept. However I think you’d have the same people complaining about that as well
If If If If If If If If If If you can get the TBM to the base :D
I'm sure they would. God forbid anyone have to actually spend Perkies. I have 18K. :banana:
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 09, 2022, 01:33:15 PM
If If If If If If If If If If you can get the TBM to the base :D
I'm sure they would. God forbid anyone have to actually spend Perkies. I have 18K. :banana:
Remember ... you're flying on the side with numbers when forced to use such an extreme.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shane on June 09, 2022, 01:34:31 PM
You have to be logged into the game... for the "in game" it's by clicking on the clipboard/roster. The "in flight numbers" can be found by right clicking on the clipboard map and "country status."
I took screenshots but only posted the data instead of uploading an image.
Remember ... you're flying on the side with numbers when forced to use such an extreme.
Yes, IF your #s are at that fight. On big maps it might not make much of a difference besides capturing undefended bases anyway. The other side will fight where a fight is and may actually have more players in that battle in super Uber planes. I've been there.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 10, 2022, 09:04:07 AM
Not everyone flies uber planes. Just because a side has low numbers doesn't mean they are all in super planes.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 11, 2022, 05:53:27 AM
ENY actually enhances 'bravery' in this game (IE: flying P-40s to roll a map or flying for lower numbers to defend).
Unless ... wait .... ENY works differently now than it has during my last 4 CPIDs? There's been a swelling in the ranks of those emotionally overcome over it in the last two years? (I know you've been upset over it for more than two years.) Force projection at its 'finest' there, Vink. Finally, can you cite all my CPID incarnations?
Another cryptic vailed answer. Are you playing in game? Just state your handles. Why would there be so many incarnations? Who and what are you hiding from.
Your much more of a board troll than a player.
Me? Same handle since air warrior.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 11, 2022, 06:00:58 AM
Losing to a side with twice as many players is not “problem” than needs to fixed with ENY or any other measures.
Just fight hard and lose. Map will reset. Things will change. Why piss off your fellow players with code changes that make them fly planes they don’t like? How selfish is that? shameful imo.
Whaaa I can’t win because their more Bish! Someone hamstring them for me!!
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: diaster on June 12, 2022, 08:39:56 AM
often even more than both combined, yet will have less in flight.
When ENY is 20+ forget about any fair chance in the GV game.
The old argument that 10 tower sitters up
two things, first - an example Bish had 28 online, 16 in the game (12 in the tower for hours, no mission), rooks had 9 in the game, knights had 8. Rooks and knights were not fighting. it was more r less 16 v 17 witht eh 16 flying early war only, carrier was useless only ftr was a pathetic zeke. best tank was a panzer mk3 or 4 the one w/o the side skirts second - talk on 200 from more than one player was that non-bish were joining bish to sit i the tower and drive up the eny. I have to admit a few names in there I never noticed on bish before. solution - it is so simple and easy to implement ( literally a keystroke)
1. idle time out setting on the server. sit still and do nothing for "x" amount of time, booted from the server. I mean literrally do absolutley nothing, moving it turret after the time out warning is enough to reset the timer, but go have dinner, come back and yer booted. 2. turn off eny 3. encourage side swapping (DIDN'T WORK)
So we must ask why? One reason might be, you go to log in and play and see only 24 players on instead of 42. regardless the pro_eny f4u-4 dominators who rack up their scores on these eny day have won the whining war and as a result, numbers seems lower. hytech needs to consider, why are numbers are in the 50's range instead of the 200's range of ten years ago, what has caused that and what can be done to shift it back. If iw as runing this show, i would do every single thing in my power to get numbers up. That includes the passing on the cries of the 10 to 15 who love the eny disparity and side with the other 60 or so who are sick of it INMHO
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 12, 2022, 04:14:50 PM
ENY does not inhibit people from flying what they want. It is each individuals own choice. Well, that and perks.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 12, 2022, 05:50:32 PM
Im paying to play this game so the ENY shall not decide how I want to play the game. Bish are double teamed every single day. I dont care if rooks or knights don’t fight but letting the ENY decide what plane I want to fly are not fair at all. Special when there are lots of ppl sitting in their club parties or what ever they are doing in the tower. I’m not leaving my squad to fight against them because we stick together and we fly together. If jj’s go to another side then the ENY will follow and there we are back to status quo. Have tried to switch side with another from my squad and we was the only who attacked the knights and we had nothing to stand up against because we were outnumbered by defender’s. So by get forced to attack bishes are having the same effect by having a two sided war instead of three.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 12, 2022, 06:23:51 PM
Im paying to play this game so the ENY shall not decide how I want to play the game. Bish are double teamed every single day. I dont care if rooks or knights don’t fight but letting the ENY decide what plane I want to fly are not fair at all. Special when there are lots of ppl sitting in their club parties or what ever they are doing in the tower. I’m not leaving my squad to fight against them because we stick together and we fly together. If jj’s go to another side then the ENY will follow and there we are back to status quo. Have tried to switch side with another from my squad and we was the only who attacked the knights and we had nothing to stand up against because we were outnumbered by defender’s. So by get forced to attack bishes are having the same effect by having a two sided war instead of three.
All games have rules Without rules there is just chaos.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 13, 2022, 04:42:32 AM
All games have rules Without rules there is just chaos.
not against rules. Just how tower sitting ppl effects the ENY rules. I understand that there we need the ENY but I do also think that can be done something like lower the ENY and use perk points. You will have a better choice instead of no choice. I do understand there are ppl that will arguing just took keep it like it is. But I see there are ppl that don’t want see this from both sides. There are always two sides of a case. Those who don’t want to see that from both sides… well it says a lot. And trying to keep this on a seriously level. Can you explain that about chaos? Yes there are rules in other games. Rules like if you are afk long enough then you get kicked out.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 13, 2022, 07:32:53 AM
Just so you know, I am explaining. No argument here. Not one person has been able to come up with a better idea.
Nothing will be perfect. Some folks will still not even sides and not care about what it does to the game as a whole. Some folks will still leave the game up and not be flying.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 13, 2022, 07:55:23 AM
Just so you know, I am explaining. No argument here. Not one person has been able to come up with a better idea.
Nothing will be perfect. Some folks will still not even sides and not care about what it does to the game as a whole. Some folks will still leave the game up and not be flying.
yes some folks will still leave the game up and not be flying as you said and that part can be fixed if there are any willingness to meet ppl’s who find this annoying and feedback from their experience in the game. I can’t see there will be any chaos because ppl here are trying to come up with ideas to make the game better. Not perfect but better. I’m not saying that the ENY have to go but try to find a better way.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 13, 2022, 09:40:07 AM
yes some folks will still leave the game up and not be flying as you said and that part can be fixed if there are any willingness to meet ppl’s who find this annoying and feedback from their experience in the game. I can’t see there will be any chaos because ppl here are trying to come up with ideas to make the game better. Not perfect but better. I’m not saying that the ENY have to go but try to find a better way.
Lots of suggestions have been made but none any better.... yet.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 13, 2022, 10:23:14 AM
Lots of suggestions have been made but none any better.... yet.
well it sounds like there are lot of suggestions to take from then… To have an option to use perk points are not a bad idea. It feels like it’s more like an excuse for not trying to. And you didn’t explain what kind of chaos there will be. Again just seems like another excuse. Have there been used same energy to look at it instead of defending how the ENY are working today then I’m pretty sure there are some good ideas out there that can make this game better for all of us.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: The Fugitive on June 13, 2022, 10:53:28 AM
well it sounds like there are lot of suggestions to take from then… To have an option to use perk points are not a bad idea. It feels like it’s more like an excuse for not trying to. And you didn’t explain what kind of chaos there will be. Again just seems like another excuse. Have there been used same energy to look at it instead of defending how the ENY are working today then I’m pretty sure there are some good ideas out there that can make this game better for all of us.
The main reason to have ENY is to handy cap the team with the numbers by limiting the equipment available to them to attack the other teams. In the 20 years I have been playing this game nobody's come up with a better way to handle the issue of one team having a large imbalance of players as compared to the other teams.
There have been many suggestions over the years and they have all been shot down because they do not handle the issue as well as ENY. Some even would make things worse, like using perks. All that would happen is the team with the numbers would still use high ENY equipment because most players have thousands of perks, so they would hav the advantage of both numbers and good equipment.
Those that seem to shoot down ideas have just been here so long that these discussions are all repeats and so they just post the final conclusion.
It is what it is.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 13, 2022, 11:08:09 AM
The main reason to have ENY is to handy cap the team with the numbers by limiting the equipment available to them to attack the other teams. In the 20 years I have been playing this game nobody's come up with a better way to handle the issue of one team having a large imbalance of players as compared to the other teams.
There have been many suggestions over the years and they have all been shot down because they do not handle the issue as well as ENY. Some even would make things worse, like using perks. All that would happen is the team with the numbers would still use high ENY equipment because most players have thousands of perks, so they would hav the advantage of both numbers and good equipment.
Those that seem to shoot down ideas have just been here so long that these discussions are all repeats and so they just post the final conclusion.
It is what it is.
Like i said im for the ENY but thats not the problem.... there can be done something with those who are not active in game. like inactive in 15 or 30 min the get kicked out.... Like having 32B logged in and only 17 in flight
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: whiteman on June 13, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
All sides have tower sitters, I've been on and been the only person in flight for 30 minutes on knights side. There were 9 other guys not there while I was getting swamped. You kick all tower sitters your eny is going to be about the same, I'm fine with that. Not going to change the fact that bish are going to have eny to deal with because they will still have higher numbers.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Shuffler on June 13, 2022, 12:31:50 PM
well it sounds like there are lot of suggestions to take from then… To have an option to use perk points are not a bad idea. It feels like it’s more like an excuse for not trying to. And you didn’t explain what kind of chaos there will be. Again just seems like another excuse. Have there been used same energy to look at it instead of defending how the ENY are working today then I’m pretty sure there are some good ideas out there that can make this game better for all of us.
A game with no rules.... you can't imagine the chaos?
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: The Fugitive on June 13, 2022, 03:31:36 PM
Like i said im for the ENY but thats not the problem.... there can be done something with those who are not active in game. like inactive in 15 or 30 min the get kicked out.... Like having 32B logged in and only 17 in flight
As I said this has all been hashed out before. Here is a quote from the owner on the same subject in 2014.
thx :aok The request would be a pain for people who were simply afk for a period of time and were coming back. yeah that got me smiling a bit.hehe like 9hr afk?
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 14, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Quit hiding behind 8 year old topic. Numbers were bigger, game play more active etc. 12 guys in tower putting us 16 to 18 (yes the other countries were double teaming the team with lousy eny and only with only early war planes, not working anymore and numbers are showing that.. Yeah I know you baby seal clubbers like to get your points/ kills, but that’s just flat rediculous. The simple fact is having the ENY count people in the tower is not representative of planes in the phone. Hey very simple to an act idle time out kick would solve that and then you can keep the Eny. To put it simply I am not complaining about the ENY so much is it counting all the people sitting in the tower doing nothing. That includes people from other countries purposely joining my country to sit on the tower and drive up and eny. 00pk was even bragging about it on 200 and encouraging other s to do so!
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: whiteman on June 14, 2022, 12:41:52 PM
Quit hiding behind 8 year old topic. Numbers were bigger, game play more active etc. 12 guys in tower putting us 16 to 18 (yes the other countries were double teaming the team with lousy eny and only with only early war planes, not working anymore and numbers are showing that.. Yeah I know you baby seal clubbers like to get your points/ kills, but that’s just flat rediculous. The simple fact is having the ENY count people in the tower is not representative of planes in the phone. Hey very simple to an act idle time out kick would solve that and then you can keep the Eny. To put it simply I am not complaining about the ENY so much is it counting all the people sitting in the tower doing nothing. That includes people from other countries purposely joining my country to sit on the tower and drive up and eny. 00pk was even bragging about it on 200 and encouraging other s to do so!
Might want to follow your signature or delete it.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: thndregg on June 14, 2022, 12:58:57 PM
It's Hitech's house. Always has been.
That's all I have to say..
EGG
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Eagler on June 14, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
22 years and eny has never been a concern
Eagler
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: The Fugitive on June 14, 2022, 03:59:24 PM
Quit hiding behind 8 year old topic. Numbers were bigger, game play more active etc. 12 guys in tower putting us 16 to 18 (yes the other countries were double teaming the team with lousy eny and only with only early war planes, not working anymore and numbers are showing that.. Yeah I know you baby seal clubbers like to get your points/ kills, but that’s just flat rediculous. The simple fact is having the ENY count people in the tower is not representative of planes in the phone. Hey very simple to an act idle time out kick would solve that and then you can keep the Eny. To put it simply I am not complaining about the ENY so much is it counting all the people sitting in the tower doing nothing. That includes people from other countries purposely joining my country to sit on the tower and drive up and eny. 00pk was even bragging about it on 200 and encouraging other s to do so!
Did you even read what Hitech said in the post I linked to?
400 people in the arena, or 60 people in the arena it all still applies.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Lazerr on June 14, 2022, 07:11:43 PM
How many buddies to you play with? 6 to 10? Why don't you all switch? Or is this some country loyalty thing where you want to roll bases easily with no opposition and be a hero in all 6 to 10 people's eyes.
Kind of sounds like some roadkill to me. Learn how to play the game without 14 of your "buds" driving the few left here out with your hoarde antics with weakst actual ability.
Maybe your whiney horde is what drives people out early mornings CST.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: diaster on June 14, 2022, 09:04:13 PM
To clue you in.. My conversation is not about whether not to have ENY it is about what ENY should include in it’s parameters. If I’m not mistaken the goal of ENY is to provide a fair and balanced gameplay accounting for one team out numbering the other. However, I feel as many others do that ncluding AFK people in the tower as a parameter for deciding how many people are in the fight is completely absurd. If you just stop and think about it 8nstead of resorting to childlike comments, you would understand that very very very very simple concept. Bottom line click a button on the server people get kicked after 15 minutes of doing nothing problem is solved! But I’m sick and tired of the pro ENY guys who do nothing BUT fly around In Uber planes smacking down newbies using the false virtue of “its been talked about before.” To keep their advantage. So yeah I’m following my signature, and speaking my mind ! I been Playing this game for about 20 years and I’m not just gonna standby and do nothing and watch it die while all you guys do is hand out empty remarks! The challenge I give you is to provide actual rational justification as to why the game should count people sitting in the tower for a significant duration (say15 minutes) to formulate ENY! This server kick is very common in the gaming world to keep things moving along.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: diaster on June 14, 2022, 09:20:01 PM
Did you even read what Hitech said in the post I linked to?
400 people in the arena, or 60 people in the arena it all still applies.
I agree with the concept of ENY balancing gameplay that is not my point. Counting people sitting in the tower doing nothing does not equalize gameplay! A blind man can see that, So that you can understand my point I will make a very very clear and easy to understand example . If one team (knights) has 80 people with two guys flying and the other teams (bish and rooks) have 10 people each with nine guys flying the two knights guys have no chance in hell of accomplishing anything it’s simple math! Not only would they be out numbered they would be out gunned as well. This would more than likely lead to the two Knights players just logging off. If this continues to happen day in and day out they would just quit the game. In this example, ENY should not count the 78 people sitting in the tower. But it does, so the solution is to kick them out of the game so ENY no longer counts them. the two players might still be out numbered but at least they would have decent equipment to fly. Side balancing is an object failure so that is not an argument! On the other hand ENY would be appropriate if all 80 of those people were flying against only 20 enemies. This current model was pretty effective when your arena held 300 and 400 people and people were logging in and out by the dozens , but nowadays it’s not working quite the way it was intended. Regardless I know this is just my opinion some others also hold the same opinion but one look at the numbers hanging anyone can see that this game is dying and something needs to be done or in two years ithere will no longer be an Aces High.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 14, 2022, 09:21:28 PM
As long as there are AH events I doubt there'll ever be a tower timer. :old:
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: diaster on June 14, 2022, 09:27:39 PM
How many buddies to you play with? 6 to 10? Why don't you all switch? Or is this some country loyalty thing where you want to roll bases easily with no opposition and be a hero in all 6 to 10 people's eyes.
Kind of sounds like some roadkill to me. Learn how to play the game without 14 of your "buds" driving the few left here out with your hoarde antics with weakst actual ability.
Maybe your whiney horde is what drives people out early mornings CST.
Too funny you call four or five jokers working together “rolling bases” that is hilarious! It’s called teamwork the whole point of the game, if you don’t like the base is being rolled then get your people together and provide some opposition, Instead of floating around in your P 38 clearing everyone else’s 12 . If anyone is whining here just read what you wrote.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: diaster on June 14, 2022, 09:30:39 PM
As long as there are AH events I doubt there'll ever be a tower timer. :old:
Doesn’t have to be a tower timer on the events Arena. If they can’t be handled separately then maybe turn off the server timer during events. This will be my last it is obviously not worth my time to argue the point and with the one person that can do anything being auspiciously silent why bother.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Vinkman on June 14, 2022, 09:42:12 PM
Hitech ended ENY. It was great. few players on the board whined. He brought it back.
clearly he listens. So those that support ENY are the reason we have it. It sucks and so do they.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 14, 2022, 09:44:40 PM
courtesy -GG- :old:
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: whiteman on June 14, 2022, 10:14:02 PM
To clue you in.. My conversation is not about whether not to have ENY it is about what ENY should include in it’s parameters. If I’m not mistaken the goal of ENY is to provide a fair and balanced gameplay accounting for one team out numbering the other. However, I feel as many others do that ncluding AFK people in the tower as a parameter for deciding how many people are in the fight is completely absurd. If you just stop and think about it 8nstead of resorting to childlike comments, you would understand that very very very very simple concept. Bottom line click a button on the server people get kicked after 15 minutes of doing nothing problem is solved! But I’m sick and tired of the pro ENY guys who do nothing BUT fly around In Uber planes smacking down newbies using the false virtue of “its been talked about before.” To keep their advantage. So yeah I’m following my signature, and speaking my mind ! I been Playing this game for about 20 years and I’m not just gonna standby and do nothing and watch it die while all you guys do is hand out empty remarks! The challenge I give you is to provide actual rational justification as to why the game should count people sitting in the tower for a significant duration (say15 minutes) to formulate ENY! This server kick is very common in the gaming world to keep things moving along.
I have two posts in this thread about being on the toejam side of the no eny experiment, and tower sitters. Continue to burry your head where every you and Vink please. Nothing either of have posted would do jack to solve it. My option during no eny was fight alone, join bish to roll empty bases or log. I logged & cut my play time since, so the no eny experiment was grand if that’s what you want to accomplish.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Oldmax6 on June 15, 2022, 03:28:38 AM
How many buddies to you play with? 6 to 10? Why don't you all switch? Or is this some country loyalty thing where you want to roll bases easily with no opposition and be a hero in all 6 to 10 people's eyes.
Kind of sounds like some roadkill to me. Learn how to play the game without 14 of your "buds" driving the few left here out with your hoarde antics with weakst actual ability.
Maybe your whiney horde is what drives people out early mornings CST.
it’s not only who are hording that got stopped by the ENY. When it’s like 30 bish 10 rooks and 10 knite then ENY doesn’t matter. if there have been 25-30 bish flying or hording if you prefer, then those bases would have been rolled anyway.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Eagler on June 15, 2022, 06:06:49 AM
Go from 3 sides to 2 sides would fix this and the lower number of players/too large of map issue also..
Of course a auto side balancing code would have to be implemented as some would gang up on the winning side so they can be "winners" when the map is won..
Eagler
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Bopgun on June 15, 2022, 07:51:18 AM
Yea as much as I’ve loved the 3 country dynamic, the just dont really support sustained engagements between all three sides even during prime time.
Title: Re: ENY?
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 08:13:09 AM
Another go nowhere suggestion is the 'change number of sides' request (something hardwired into the game if not the psyche of the community). I once suggested, long ago, going to 4 sides and even thought it fell right in with the concept of 'Aces High":