OK so the "it's war" "Anything goes" crowd thinks there should be limits now on the "war"?
LOL make up your minds!
What a dumb idea.
Corky, the Trollbat approves this troll and welcomes u into our ranks. U will be seeing a new board in the "Squadrons" section very soon. Just come on in. I think u may be surprised who all is there.
LOL I thought you were an 'anything goes' type of guy Grizz? "Wouldn't it provide more of a challenge for your 262 o doom?
Still waiting on your ideas btw. Clearly you do believe there needs to be some limits then on "anything goes"?
LOL I thought you were an 'anything goes' type of guy Grizz? "Wouldn't it provide more of a challenge for your 262 o doom?
Still waiting on your ideas btw. Clearly you do believe there needs to be some limits then on "anything goes"?
LOL I thought you were an 'anything goes' type of guy Grizz? "Wouldn't it provide more of a challenge for your 262 o doom?
Still waiting on your ideas btw. Clearly you do believe there needs to be some limits then on "anything goes"?
What would it hurt to try? Seriously. Do it with two Late wars then. One the way it is, and one anything goes. I'd really love to see how the numbers would go. Un cap them both. See what happens. You aren't taking away anything from anyone then
Guppy......how about instead of unperking everything, everythng gets a perk.....every plane......every GV everything. open one late war arena with a simular setup as we have now just no caps,get rid of ''rank'' not scores, have a dot radar to the deck, 3 uncapturable bases center map, every map, 1 each country, open a second arena that has 200'' dar, no uncaptuable bases, this arena you have to choose what you want to Rank as ie..fighter....bomber..ect, and for that tour you can only score-rank in what you chose, this arena could be more along the lines of qued mission's here is where you always earn perks earn them for joining missions earn more of a % if you complete your mission, but even if you die you recieve some perks, you would still recieve perks and keep track of every thing but only ''Rank'' in one catorgory......this would apease both ''furballers'' and ''warballers'' (haha) been thinking about this idea for awhile now. of course it may be dumb to all but me.....lol
Dreadful.
Karnak had an interesting comment in another thread in response to my suggestion to unperk all the planes in Latewar.
He suggests that this would send more folks to Midwar, which would not be a bad thing.
I'm of the opinion that this might solve the furballer v war winner struggles too as I would guess that many of the furballers would migrate to midwar for the air combat, while all the jets, Temps etc in latewar might be more helpful to the war winners.
Per usual I could be completely off on this, but it's an interesting thought anyway.
Karnak had an interesting comment in another thread in response to my suggestion to unperk all the planes in Latewar.
He suggests that this would send more folks to Midwar, which would not be a bad thing.
I'm of the opinion that this might solve the furballer v war winner struggles too as I would guess that many of the furballers would migrate to midwar for the air combat, while all the jets, Temps etc in latewar might be more helpful to the war winners.
Per usual I could be completely off on this, but it's an interesting thought anyway.
Next week ,December 9th, 2010, i will be running JET WEEK in the AVA. only jets will be available, they will be unperked, or free, so that anyone can fly them. lets see how a jet filled arena works out!
Want me to tell you and save you the effort? :neener:
It would serve to confirm HiTech's direction chosen.Y'ever been on a cattle farm? Lets just call HT "The Rancher" and we are "The Cattle".
Y'ever been on a cattle farm? Lets just call HT "The Rancher" and we are "The Cattle".
Now dont get me wrong...there are bound to be some smart cattle in the herd, but by and large we depend on the rancher. Be good to him because he feeds us and keeps us warm :cool:
Hey 80th, go to the DA.
guys like me, grumpy, dicho, oldman, jaeger1......we'll probably spend our nights getting picked by the guy that're afraid to turn their jets.......try this sometime. get so aggressive in a 262 in the MA that youre rolling scissors with a 51 :t somehow i got 5 kills out of my low alt attack and the entire time it was a dogfight which i was roping 51s and spits, turning with a 51 and alot more that many wouldn't dare do. did it just for fun and it was much more successful than i thought it would be :rofl
try this sometime. get so aggressive in a 262 in the MA that youre rolling scissors with a 51 :t somehow i got 5 kills out of my low alt attack and the entire time it was a dogfight which i was roping 51s and spits, turning with a 51 and alot more that many wouldn't dare do. did it just for fun and it was much more successful than i thought it would be :rofl
fun times go to the perk spenders that do it for that one moment of fun :aok landed the kills for the sortie too
I want folks to enjoy the game. Why not give them what they want? No cap, fly what you want, revert to old capture and reset methods and have at it.
First off, who is "THEY"?
"THEY" want no perked aircraft and no eny? "THEY" want old capture and reset methods?
Just because a random tard cries about something doesn't mean the entire population of the war enthusiasts feels the same. I think the vast majority of the players want a great balance between air combat, war strategy, and different choices on how to have fun. That doesn't mean doing what you suggest. Your idea is tongue in cheek, but it shows your lack of understanding on what makes for a happy cartoon world.
It seems to me what you really want from this game is in furball lake. No war, quick trips to the fight, constant furballing on the deck. Maybe I'm wrong though? If you enjoy defending bases, battling players that are trying to capture bases, hunting bombers, intercepting missions, stomping NOE's, etc, then you HAVE to have a war element to the game where the players engaging in that mode (and providing lots of fun for you as well) are immersed in what they are doing and can accomplish goals in a reasonable amount of the time with a reasonable amount of comrades, consistently. Do you comprehend?
Seems to me I've been playing in this cartoon world as long if not longer then you Grizz, and I've managed to keep myself fairly content over the years. I'm also fairly convinced that if I totally agreed with you, there is a good chance you'd disagree with me on that :)
So again, how does uncapping the arena, returning base capture to the earlier form and freeing up all the late war birds for use create a problem? Does it not address the issues that seem to be most loudly complained about in AH?
scrubs i played AW back when it was in dos! get w/ the program here!
Words can not express how bad this idea is, so I have a GIF.
This was my reaction after reading your post:
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Kazaa, you a big Hermione fan?
If anything you've been the one to convince me that I need to think outside my little world.It is good to be open minded but I feel slightly compelled to advise you that if you have found fun in what you do then you have suceeded.
So again, how does uncapping the arena,
returning base capture to the earlier form
and freeing up all the late war birds for use create a problem?
Does it not address the issues that seem to be most loudly complained about in AH?
In short, 'terrible.'
Wiley.
I fear snailman is hiding in his shell. The mob were after him on 200 the other day.
I think that was the point Guppy was trying to make.
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Sure you did...
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I'm not sold. Mainly because of the fact that some of us have perks to spend, what would we spend them on? Solution- nooks. Not just nukes for bombers, but nukes for tempests as well. I think this might help eliminate hordes as you don't need as much ord, but it will maintain the need to kill incoming nme aircraft. For balancing reasons, the fallout may kill troops at random. However, maybe c47 pilots could purchase radiation suits?
If an equipment limiting system is necessary it would make more sense to limit the most skilled players to the worst equipment....maybe a reverse perky system is in order if there must be a system.
+10 to unperking all planes.What are we saying here, you would rather have a game be easy with zero learning curve? How would this keep my attention?
If the goal is to gain and retain new players, handicapping their choice of equipment when it would be most beneficial seems odd to me.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Tax the rich and give to the poor! What a great idea. :rolleyes:
Edit: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What are we saying here, you would rather have a game be easy with zero learning curve? How would this keep my attention?
New folks could apply to HTC for a certain amount of free perks that were donated. Think of it as similar to a "Toys for Tots" campaign.
because it's gotten too hard.
What is really so hard in this game?
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+10 to unperking all planes.
If the goal is to gain and retain new players, handicapping their choice of equipment when it would be most beneficial seems odd to me.What are we saying here, you would rather have a game be easy with zero learning curve? How would this keep my attention?
lol 262 hordes would be fun for awhile but seriously. Some of the older members enjoy flying high eny into fights also. Not all are 262 dweebs. :rolleyes: I find it much more interesting flying a p40 into a furball and seeing how long I last. But hey I earned the perks so I'll do what I want mmkay. :aok
With the perk system as it stands it gives the skilled pilots a huge advantage because they easily can gain perkies to fly whatever perk plane they choose....leaving the unskilled at a large disadvantage not just due to lack of skill but also due to lack of comparable equipment. Also, a big assumption made by the regular BB lords is that everyone will eventually, with enough practice, reach their skill level......that viewpoint is simply not true.
Unperking all planes would in the short term cause the MA to be filled with jets.....however that would quickly stabilize with many fewer jet sorties once the newness wore off (once people figure out there not as easy to fly or uber as they might think).
Shooting me down, you ought to know that by now.
Folks are leaving in droves because it's gotten too hard. They want to fly with their buddies.This to me could be the result of something else your statment describes. :D The new cap watermelon has disrupted my game time! I'm sure i'm not alone. :noid
For the sake of more paying customers we need to listen to these folks or the game will die.
If you want virtual communism, fine, but be aware you'll get to fly commie planes only. Like FOREVER!
How is giving everyone who is paying the same amount for the same plane access communism?
What is really so hard in this game?
I paid ticket to see some comedy last time (paid same amount as all others), but I didn't get the jokes. I request the jokes to be dumbed down so I can get it too.
And anything else that takes a mediocre amount of skill.
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At least your consistent grizz.
I don't believe you ever explained why unperking would be so bad
More BB elitism
Anyone going to explain how unperking planes = communism?
Sure you did...lol you're right I didn't, was just jokin but I did started AW back in AOL, then went to AW1 in GS, then 2, then 3, last AH.
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This to me could be the result of something else your statment describes. :D The new cap watermelon has disrupted my game time! I'm sure i'm not alone. :noid
why not make the MA more user friendly for the base capture folks.
Why not make planes more 'flyers' friendly too, while we are at it?
Like unlimited fuel and ammo, 'no' cockpit view, air start, only single type plane (fairness). Ban those who win the fight for at least two weeks (balanced play for less fortunate).
Base capture folks? They should get each their own base to take (undefended). All play shall be offline so nobody disrupt others.
I'm sure I forgot a lot, so help me out here, Guppy. I know you have many great ideas.
I can't believe this made 7 pages. :rolleyes:i cant believe it's about to make 8 :rofl
Forgot another feature...convert the perks to XP points so we can level up. Oh, and every other level we can earn special abilities we can use, like stun or super boost that increases speed by 5% for five minutes. We can turn AH into the WoW of flight sims.RPG here we come. I think it would be cool also to have flight crews that could fix damaged planes. Love the xp level up.Maybe if we get to level 10 in the same sortie we could catch on fire and auto aim would be enabled. :pray Guppy, stop hanging around Sunbat! I see :noid people.
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I realize this is a joke, but...
How is giving everyone who is paying the same amount for the same plane access communism?
Why do the English wear ties to war?
I'd have tried to be a little more subtle if I was trolling SunBat. Gotta give me a little bit of credit :)
Folks hate ENY, hate, not flying what they want, claim that it's 'war' and that 'anything goes'. How does giving folks what they claim to want, become a bad idea?
BTW I'd include uncapping the arena too as I believe that 'minority' of 'furballers' would soon disappear or migrate to midwar.
Why dont you just make 262's unusable in the MA's?
With the perk system as it stands it gives the skilled pilots a huge advantage because they easily can gain perkies to fly whatever perk plane they choose....leaving the unskilled at a large disadvantage not just due to lack of skill but also due to lack of comparable equipment. Also, a big assumption made by the regular BB lords is that everyone will eventually, with enough practice, reach their skill level......that viewpoint is simply not true.
If the goal is to gain and retain new players, handicapping their choice of equipment when it would be most beneficial seems odd to me.
If an equipment limiting system is necessary it would make more sense to limit the most skilled players to the worst equipment....maybe a reverse perky system is in order if there must be a system.
That wouldn't make sense from the grizzness perspective.
Guppy gets a extra big cookie for making his point and give him a A for originality.
How is removing the aircraft balancing system an original idea?
I highly doubt this is his true intention.
The point is that people's natural reaction is that they want to do what they want to do, when they want to do it. In game, they want to NOE and have NO resistance when they attack in hordes. They want their spixteen even though they outnumber the other guy by 2 to 1. They want to reset the map by hording one country first and expecting them not to retaliate while they hording the other.
Id love to land one kill per cannon round I had, but know thats probably not going to happen. No reason they should make it easier for me to reach that goal and no reason for me to whine or threaten to quit just because the game is not fun if I cant reach it.
Have everything we "want" like guppy stated and imagine what kind of enviroment we would be in.
Where does balance come into the picture? If we look at two extreme cases, say a town that requires you to shoot one building down and one troop to capture. And then the ultimate extreme where you have a town with 1000 buildings that only stay down for a minute a piece and require 100 troops to capture. Clearly the correct balance that makes for optimum gameplay is somewhere in between yes? So ignoring those ridiculous extremes now, isn't it entirely reasonable to suggest that the new town updates, lower radar levels, have inadvertently shifted the balance of the game outside of its ideal range? Turn off your palaverin fingers for a minute to consider this.
Where does balance come into the picture? If we look at two extreme cases, say a town that requires you to shoot one building down and one troop to capture. And then the ultimate extreme where you have a town with 1000 buildings that only stay down for a minute a piece and require 100 troops to capture. Clearly the correct balance that makes for optimum gameplay is somewhere in between yes? So ignoring those ridiculous extremes now, isn't it entirely reasonable to suggest that the new town updates, lower radar levels, have inadvertently shifted the balance of the game outside of its ideal range? Turn off your palaverin fingers for a minute to consider this.Only reason people think its so hard is because its so new. I wasnt around with the old town layouts when they had no ack guns, but I heard there were tons of rants back in the day they put 8 lousy guns in town. When I joined the game, if I wanted a capture I always had to deal with those 8 guns. It was what I accepted.
So if I believe the learning curve for ACM is unfair because vets with perks can have 262s and discourage the newbs who can't, it's a bad thing? How is that balanced any more then expecting folks who want to take towns to adapt and work up the learning curve?
And if in the end, I reach the point where I say let em have everything, then it's time to set limits? Maybe the best way to figure that out for folks is to give them a shot at what they claim to want. Kinda like raising kids. They'll be begging for limits sooner then later once they don't have them.
Maybe the best way to figure that out for folks is to give them a shot at what they claim to want.
Grizz, you are always telling me I don't get it. I'm afraid this is one of those times where you aren't.
If you don't recall the we want to fly what we want to fly threads, you've not been around as long as I thought.
Let me try and explain it again.
I work with 'troubled teens'. I have for the last 25+ years. I have yet to run into a kid that didn't know better how the program we run should work then we do. This should change or that should change. Not that the program hasn't been in place for a long time and well thought out of course.
Every so often when the complaints reach a certain level, I'll stop and say 'ok, you win". You design it. Tell me how it should work. Naturally there are no limits. Everyone can do whatever they want without rules. But then you start questioning it, and they can't explain why. They just want what they want. By the time you get done with the discussion, they're 'program' is far more difficult then ours. Because they don't factor in the realities of running a program, they have all the answers.
Do I expect it to happen? No. But it was a fun thought just to see how people would react.
LOL you still miss the point. Well only one of us can be right all the time :aok
I must be getting old, I can't remember 1/4 of the guys who "flew in DOS". I didn't think there were all
that many at the time.
Anyone going to explain how unperking planes = communism?
Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate
Forgot another feature...convert the perks to XP points so we can level up. Oh, and every other level we can earn special abilities we can use, like stun or super boost that increases speed by 5% for five minutes. We can turn AH into the WoW of flight sims.
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I was about to add a photo of my Mossie, which I will still do but.......
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Why do the English wear ties to war?
"They" want free temps and jets? Link please.
Hey 80th, go to the DA.
Bottom line is I had this strange idea that I thought would be something to see. Set up two arenas, one the way it is, and one with everything cut loose.
Bottom line is I had this strange idea that I thought would be something to see. Set up two arenas, one the way it is, and one with everything cut loose.
Perhaps this is the problem with your perspective. Paying customers at a business != "troubled teens" committed to a program, and treating them like they are would be incredibly foolish. No business that treats its paying customers that way would stay in business very long.
And you win the award for the most ridiculous straw man posted on the forums this year.
Just because you can come up with an absolutely idiotic idea for an arena that you know everyone would hate, does not mean that any suggestion for changing the current system is invalid.
No one - NO ONE - has requested or proposed the changes you suggest. No one would go to the arena you propose, because it is nothing like what they have actually requested or proposed. Pretending that the changes people have actually proposed or suggested are the same as the purposely idiotic one you've raised here does nothing but add noise to an already inane discussion.
Should the NFL require 30 yards instead of 10 for a first down? Would such a change promote more exciting games by forcing the players to develop better skills?
Hmm looks like that covers most of the complaints this past year.
I could at least respect you guys if you argued that the game is balanced now. But your complete neglect for the concept of balance is what is really riduculous.
I'd forgotten my old game id from the old DOS Kesami days a few years ago and ran across a scrap of paper I'd written it down on while I was going through some old books.
I can't believe what I paid to play that game once a week for an hour or two. I had to pay long distance charges at the time while I was stationed in Valdosta GA in pre internet days.
None of the guys I used to fly with are around as far as I know.Drum, SEeagle, and Totenkopf. Sheesh it won't be long now until that was 20 years ago... :confused:
I think the root of the problem here is what grizz has identified: some of the "furballers" here don't care about that balance and don't even recognize its existence or the validity of the concept, because they despise the entire base taking/strategic aspect of the game.
First off, I must call you out and say that is the most ignoramous statement Ive heard so far. Furballer/landgrabber/milker/porker..whatever are in TOTAL agreement that the providing the base taking element is a crucial dynamic to the game.
Furballer/landgrabber/milker/porker..whatever are in TOTAL agreement that the providing the base taking element is a crucial dynamic to the game.
Late war would become another DA lake with most in Temps or 262s.
wish I could quote......this particular player would LOVE for the ''war'' aspect of this game to be gone.......an all gv arena.....sonds awesome..........I think the war in AH is lame at best........someone said the game is about taking fields.........WRONG the game is about combat......Aces High........not aces low.........it aint about the war and i dont give a ...... how many people come in here and say it is. im done.
I blame Snailman for this thread. How can you let non logic run so rampant? :furious
I'm too busy thinking of new ways to ruin the game...
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They're only "discussing" by deliberately misunderstanding and misstating what the other side is saying.
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In NFL and NCAA football, it takes 10 yards to get a first down. If you made it 30 yards, the game would be terrible. All games would be 3-0 "defensive struggles" in which 9 out of 10 series would be three and outs. This is not because quarterbacks suck or receivers are whiners or running backs have no 733t skillz, it is because in a game which balances skilled offensive players against equally skilled defensive players, the rules must create an arbitrary and artificial balance by making the goal for the offense something that is reasonably achievable, but not so easy that it's impossible for the defense to prevent. Given equally skilled offensive and defensive players, it will be relatively rare for the offense to gain 30 yards in 3 plays consistently enough to move the ball downfield and score touchdowns.
Likewise, given equally skilled offensive and defensive players, it would be so easy to move 5 yards in three plays that it would happen every series and no one would ever have to punt or try a field goal, there'd be a touchdown every time.
10 yards strikes a good balance and makes for good gameplay.
You ever consider we are useing the wrong games for our compairitive analogies to the MA environment? We are a tad bit more like Rugby or Aussi Football in how the MA flows. FSO is more like the NFL because everyone is playing from a predetermined game plan with objectives and agreed upon assignments.
The MA is alot more like a pickup game of Rugby and we drink our pints while we play.
Naw...the MA is like a lady's beauty parlor, full of women crying how hard the game now is.
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Naw...the MA is like a lady's beauty parlor, full of women crying how hard the game now is.they would be crying just as hard on the Aussie Rules field too.
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You ever consider we are useing the wrong games for our compairitive analogies to the MA environment? We are a tad bit more like Rugby or Aussi Football in how the MA flows.
It's a really good analogy.
Dadsguns has a differing opinion that I can respect. He has stated that he thinks the game is balanced still but it will just take more time for land grabbers to maximize base taking efficiency. I disagree, but I at least respect that point of view.
In some ways, yes, but the similarity with American football is that you have discrete incremental steps along the way - first downs in football, base captures in AH.
In any event, the concept of balance is present in every game. Basketball would be boring as hell if the basket was 30 feet off the ground. Baseball would suck if there were 15 fielders instead of 9. It would also suck if there were 5 fielders. Soccer and rugby would suck if the field was 200 meters long with twice as many players. No one would ever get anywhere, most drives would just fizzle out somewhere in the middle of the field, even though the players have no more or less skill than they had before. Observing how boring this would make the game would not be "whining" or "crying" either.
You must have corky and shuffler on bbs ignore then because they are completely ignorant to this point you make. :lol
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They're only "discussing" by deliberately misunderstanding and misstating what the other side is saying.
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Careful now Grizz, I'm started to get blinded from the glow of your halo :)
Grizz kind of reminds me alot of VMPR.... are they one and the same?
Grizz kind of reminds me alot of VMPR.... are they one and the same?
Grizz kind of reminds me alot of VMPR.... are they one and the same?Grizz is really a woman acting as a man in the MA.
Grizz is really a woman acting as a man in the MA.
Kind of like someone else that use to play this game :noid
But a man acting as a woman.
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Don't troll them into thinking I am blukitty now. They already think I am both moot and fester.
Agreed! :aok
Grizz kind of reminds me alot of VMPR.... are they one and the same?
You remind me of CAP1. Are you two brothers? :lol
Shuff I dont think so.. VMPR was a better picker:):rofl :aok
Shuff I dont think so.. VMPR was a better picker:)
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They're only "discussing" by deliberately misunderstanding and misstating what the other side is saying.
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In NFL and NCAA football, it takes 10 yards to get a first down. If you made it 30 yards, the game would be terrible. All games would be 3-0 "defensive struggles" in which 9 out of 10 series would be three and outs. This is not because quarterbacks suck or receivers are whiners or running backs have no 733t skillz, it is because in a game which balances skilled offensive players against equally skilled defensive players, the rules must create an arbitrary and artificial balance by making the goal for the offense something that is reasonably achievable, but not so easy that it's impossible for the defense to prevent. Given equally skilled offensive and defensive players, it will be relatively rare for the offense to gain 30 yards in 3 plays consistently enough to move the ball downfield and score touchdowns.
Likewise, given equally skilled offensive and defensive players, it would be so easy to move 5 yards in three plays that it would happen every series and no one would ever have to punt or try a field goal, there'd be a touchdown every time.
10 yards strikes a good balance and makes for good gameplay.
What a lot of us have been saying is that the base-taking aspect of AH has gotten out of balance. It takes 30 yards to get a first down, therefore first downs are rare and no one ever scores a touchdown. This isn't because the offense sucks - after all, 90% of the people who care about base-taking and war-winning play both defense and offense in this game - it's because the arbitrary balance created by the game is out of whack. Given equally skilled play by offense and defense, the defense will usually win. It's not impossible to take bases, but it's difficult enough that no one can take enough in a short enough amount of time to win the map. There are no reasonably achievable strategic goals.
(The exception being the situation we saw earlier in SFMA, where two sides ignore each other and gang up on the third for an unusually extended period, but then of course you can't win the war that way either, as we've seen, all you can do is create an incredibly lopsided game.)
A bunch of people on thse forums read that, and somehow translate it to "I suck and haz no skillz and this game is 2 hard." Which is not remotely what is being said.
I think the root of the problem here is what grizz has identified: some of the "furballers" here don't care about that balance and don't even recognize its existence or the validity of the concept, because they despise the entire base taking/strategic aspect of the game. What they wan't isn't for base taking to be appropriately difficult, it's for base taking to be infinitely difficult, so that no one bothers with it and everyone plays the way they want, which is to mindlessly furball with no strategic goal in mind. Why should anyone ever want to end a perfectly good fight by taking the base?
That is, of course, not what HTC are trying to achieve - they are trying to make it appropriately difficult and strike a proper balance. The criticism is that they are in error and what we have now isn't a proper balance, it's an endless 3-0 "defensive struggle" (complete with massive hordes since that's the only remaining practical way to take defended bases). Their changes have not produced the results they intended.
And what unperked 262s have to do with any of this, I can't imagine. It's just something deliberately stupid that has been tossed out to derail the discussion. Guppy is trying to make the people he disagrees with look ridiculous and stupid, by saying something he knows is ridiculous and stupid and pretending it's what they're saying when it is perfectly obvious that it isn't.
And was the better pilot.
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Then the transitive property of mathematics does not speak well of many players in this game. :angel:
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!
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Then the transitive property of mathematics does not speak well of many players in this game. :angel:
My apologies if VMPR when he was playing was a better flyer, but then so was Lev, Drex and a few others.
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but would you prove that that still rings true against the Grizz of today?
Grizz has made huge leaps forward in both his basic ACM BFM skillz and his ability to read the fight and his opponent and his aim is beyond discussion or doubt, in the last couple of years, so the Grizz of their time is not the Grizz that stands before the forum today. compound that further by all of the changes and improvements made to the graphics and flight modeling of the game and those who have not been continually playing have been left far behind those who didnt leave the game and have kept their skillz current to the game.
so to imply that those of a time gone by are better than someone who has become as formidable a foe as Grizz has is rediculous and unsupportable. its like trying to say that the Dallas Cowboys of the late 70's early 80's could easily beat the N.E. Pats of today, there is just no way to support the argument.
i do not say this because Grizz is a Muppet, i would say almost the same if you were discussing the skillz of ToneyJoey, making comparissons across the span of time is rediculous and completely unsupportable. who is to say for certain that VMPR could have adapted to the changes and still retained the same skill level he previously held?
if you want to compare Grizz to someone then put up the challenge and compare his skill at playing this game to yours after the duel is done. your a good stick ack-ack, if Grizz is as untalented as you infer then you shouldnt worry abouting pitting your skill against his.
unless, that is, your afraid of having to eat your words and high horsed attitude in this forum should he beat you.
:lol Don't get mad at the gods :old: Consider this. They were the first to become good. Sure 10 years latter a lot of other guys got good by watching, learning and copying what the gods did. But, it is 10 years too late. Just because the gods took a break it does not mean you should disrespect them. :old: One more time, they got good fast and first. 10 years latter any one can run their mouth vs some nubes.
I hope they forgive you :(
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!
<-------head explodes
I see nothing but this becoming a 262 furball at 40K, just to wind down towards the earth in a spiral of canon fire :joystick:Sounds AWESOME! soo....when shall this "unperking grace period" take into effect? :devil :rock :rock :rock
It is the towns. You can see that statistically. The number of captures per played hours had been very stable for years. The moment the new towns were introduced this number radically changed. Which is no wonder, as it takes much more effort to kill more buildings (which also means the time frame for a successful capture is much smaller), it's more difficult to see if all are down, and of course it's much easier for a small number of defenders to hold a town.
The knowhow, respectively the attitude of the players doesn't change that drastically from one tour to the next one.
With the next release we will be making some adjustments for this. The new town release was never meant to be harder to capture.
HiTech
Shuffler loves the electric cattle prod his rancher uses:)
Ded no sacralidge here!
they were the first and the finest of their days...when their altars were worshipped upon they were filled with the offerings of the newbs sacrificed upon it for the graces of greater knowledge and glory....but that was in their days.
to try to pit their skillz of yesteryear against Grizz's skillz of today is unfair to both parties and one or the other will not get a fair showing.
Grizz may have learned lessons from the knowledge first obtained and left behind by the lords of the cartoon air ways teachings, but i am pretty certain that in todays age they would learn at least a few tricks from Grizz and his one shot one kill sniper aproach.
i am only saying that they each have their time to shine and it isnt fair to anyone to smother them in the shadow of another, especially when its merely the memory of another.
would you compare the Model A to the Mustang? they both have their time and they both had their place, grive them each the credit for their accomplishments that they have earned.
Just sayin.
Ded no sacralidge here!
they were the first and the finest of their days...when their altars were worshipped upon they were filled with the offerings of the newbs sacrificed upon it for the graces of greater knowledge and glory....but that was in their days.
to try to pit their skillz of yesteryear against Grizz's skillz of today is unfair to both parties and one or the other will not get a fair showing.
Grizz may have learned lessons from the knowledge first obtained and left behind by the lords of the cartoon air ways teachings, but i am pretty certain that in todays age they would learn at least a few tricks from Grizz and his one shot one kill sniper aproach.
i am only saying that they each have their time to shine and it isnt fair to anyone to smother them in the shadow of another, especially when its merely the memory of another.
would you compare the Model A to the Mustang? they both have their time and they both had their place, grive them each the credit for their accomplishments that they have earned.
And if that tatter misses, experience will have the advantage.
You all ever hear of Wetrat? Old school muppet that used to go 50/50 with Leviathn yet is hardly remembered. Food for thought.That SpitV was quite deadly, kinda scary to be in the same area with Leviathn when he was in that thing, even when he was friendly :uhoh
Due to experience, that tater don't miss. :cheers:
But in all seriousness this thread has been derailed. There are plenty of pilots that give me a run for my money and even a few that are better on any given sunday. Kazaa, JoeyTony, batfinkv, sunsfan, kappa, (few others maybe), can all beat me up on any given sunday.
You all ever hear of Wetrat? Old school muppet that used to go 50/50 with Leviathn yet is hardly remembered. Food for thought.
:rofl Not the wetrat I know. You seem to forget a few others on your list lol
Anyone up for fishing? This sure is some good BAIT. :rofl
unless, that is, your afraid of having to eat your words and high horsed attitude in this forum should he beat you.
You all ever hear of Wetrat? Old school muppet that used to go 50/50 with Leviathn yet is hardly remembered. Food for thought.
Uh, what?
Not true? That's what wetrat said.
I don't even recall ever dueling him. The MA is another matter entirely, and I died plenty there to just about everyone. Don't get me wrong, Wetrat was a fine stick in his own right, but what you wrote is news to me.
I said a few others. If I was making a list of people that can kill me it would be quite large and you would be on it, but I was actually referring to those that can consistently give me a run for my money or flat out beat me in a decent sized sample set of duels. Maybe you have been practicing and want another shot? :D
Not true? That's what wetrat said.
:rofl heh, like I could not tell that was coming lol. I was talking about Bighorn. He is one of the the old ones you know. But I m on line a lot the last few weeks. I think last attempt I was told I was 15mph too fast? :lol
Maybe he was talking about panzers? Wetrat is a nice guy and all but if he made it 30 seconds with me back then, it would have been a miracle. SkyRock and Creton also told everyone they were the best but it was only a dream :lol Wait, now that I think about it, half the mappets would have told you at one point or another that they were the best :neener:
but would you prove that that still rings true against the Grizz of today?
No offense but I have fought Grizz many times and beaten him many times to know that while he may be good, he doesn't walk on water. The same goes for any of the Muppets and frankly, any of the other good sticks as well.
ack-ack
Idk if you have ever beat me with less E but you definitely are one of the best E fighters in the game and have killed me plenty of times using that E to your advantage.
No offense but I have fought Grizz many times and beaten him many times to know that while he may be good, he doesn't walk on water. The same goes for any of the Muppets and frankly, any of the other good sticks as well.
ack-ack
<Face palm>
A classic example of why all the cartoon, I'm bestest talk is pointless as no one has ever lost an even fight. The other guy always had some advantage, the joystick slipped, my wife spoke to me, the cat bumped the keyboard....
You gents could dual til the cows come home and it won't make a difference.
Is it at all possible that there are a lot of good sticks in the game, and at some point that's as far as it's gonna get?
so you are such a great stick that the skill of others just falls below the level of impressing you?
Idk if you have ever beat me with less E but you definitely are one of the best E fighters in the game and have killed me plenty of times using that E to your advantage.
okay, yours is "energy advantage", Sc0tch's was "stall limiter", which begs me to wonder is what was sun's excuse after our duels a couple of weeks ago?
ack-ack
You honestly want to know the only times that I've been truly impressed by someone's flying? I can only count two times where someone's flying was so incredible to watch that it was actually an honor to see them in action.
Both times were in Aces High, about a year after I started playing. The first one I saw a Ju88 that was about to be bounced by 4-5 bandits and I told the Ju88 driver that I was on my way and I hit WEP to catch up. The Ju88 driver told me not to worry and I then watched as this Ju88 out turned a few N1K2s and La7s, killing each one of them. fight couldn't have lasted more than 2-3 minutes top. Second time, a Spitfire V and myself were on the deck though with a bit of seperation between us. The Spit V gets jumped by 4 bandits, I tell the Spit V that I'm on my way. By the time I get there the Spit V had already shot down 3 and was saddling up in the 4th when a couple of other bandits jumped in, I managed to get one and the Spit V ended up having to clear my six of the 2nd late entry bandit. I think when the dust settled, the Spit V driver had shot down 5 of the 6 bandits.
I've yet to see any pilot display such skill as watching Drex and Leviathn on those two occasions.
ack-ack
Just to add to the previous. There are a number of guys out there who come in looking to fight, and can generally be found down low. JUGgler, again, unless the crowd has driven him to dispair, is willing to bend whatever bird he's in, including that D-25 of his, in ways most don't. Madda is another just looking to have at it. Catfish tonight was doing the same in a 205.
The ones really fun to fight and watch fight are the guys who do more with less. Slapshot and his FM2 comes to mind as well.
I think we seem to confuse skill with name in lights skill. All late grate ones seem to focus on score or at list K/D. They tend to have good aim and the ability to get out on time. They can be found surrounded by squadies that are willing to die for them in order to get out safely. If you want to meet them, you can find them at the end of runways, not vulching, but picking on slow planes that just took off and had avoid a few others first. To achieve this goal, they had to develop good aim and the ability to fly the one hit wonder planes. They also tend to explain to every one how good they are through their directors of propaganda. Now, I am not saying they could not fight. They can. Some are pretty good too, but they do not fight in the MA unless cornered. So, this is the new style of skill. The improvement over the old one.
Then there is the old style. Read ack ack's post to see that one.
i may be Grizz's squaddie, but i am far from being one of his fans.
This thread kinda makes me sad.The thread doesn't make me sad, but what does is that folks like you aren't flying anymore Levi! :mad: :(
what about that shawk guy. He has consistently ranked top (or near top) slot in game for the past several years, yet no one seems to refer to him as a great stick?
Ded i hope that isn't your description of Grizz. if that is how you see him then i feel you are woefully missleading yourself. i will agree that alot of the "skilled" pilots i have seen lately seem to fall within that description, but Grizz does not.
i may be Grizz's squaddie, but i am far from being one of his fans. there are many things that we as individuals have found we do not agree upon. this does not preclude us from being in the same squad nor does it preclude me from stating what i believe to be the truth about his skill in this game.
so with that being said, in my opinion, which i believe to be unbiased, Grizz is currently one of the best sticks in the game in most types of fighter combat and in most planes. i don't see anyone being able to consistently or easily defeat him. don't duel him best of 5 or best of 10 even, try doing best of 10 for ten days, then at the end see how many out of 100 you have won.
if you did happen to have some amazing and tricky type of flying skill that would throw him in the beginning then i would still say that by the fourth day he will have learned your style and melded it into his own improved upon it and would then beat you about the head and neck with it. that is where Grizz's talents truly lay, he is one of those people who have the ability to watch, learn, addapt and absorb the skills of others he flies with/against and then mutate those skillz to fit into his own style of play. (i watched him do this while he flew with m00t, SkyRock and other good sticks when he first joined the Muppet's, so this is not an unfounded or unsupported statement) he is not a one trick pony, watch him some time and look for the constant changes in style that he uses. you may find yourself watching and then naming the pilots that you see.
well anyways, ack is a damn fine 38 jockie, but he refuses to fly outside of his comfort zone and then talks smack about those that he beats. not much broadbased skill there in my opinion. he refuses to use the 109, and from what i understand most other planes, always duels in his chosen ride, thus its never an equal fight because you as his opponent must always meet him at his advantage. Grizz on the other hand will fly anywhere at any alt in any ride, i have never heard of him refusing no matter how bizarr the plane choice.
finally, and i think most importantly, if you duel Grizz and check your mouth and your attitude at the door he will make sure you have a fun time and if there is something you want to learn he will do his best to teach you. but if you go in and you choose to act like a punk.....well lets just say that your quality of fun is all in your hands.
Well, I am not sure when exactly the punch line of the troll will come out, but I will play along for a bit :lol
I am too lazy so please don't write this match again. Three points:
1) You have not fought every one so there is no way for you (or me) to know who is or was or could be the best at their time.
2) You are assuming that the only one able to adapt and change during a 10 day duel will be Grizz.
3) I have fought both of them and a few others you probably never met. Like Nomak or whildething for example. If I was going to make a list, he would not make the top all time 10. But again, he is really good and that is just one mans opinion.
A lot more, but lets see where the troll leads first ;)
what about that shawk guy. He has consistently ranked top (or near top) slot in game for the past several years, yet no one seems to refer to him as a great stick?just because you are number one on the score board doesnt mean you are the best pilot in the game... SHawk is certainly up there but i personally would put others before him in the listings. Same idea with Pacerr. They go for the number one slot but because they are low scoring in every slot (fighter, bomber, attack, and vehicle) doesnt mean that they are the best at each score type. An easy way to get from the 1000s in both GV and Bomber is to blow up a town or two. Kills rarely matter in those fields because everyone goes for the kills. The secret to having a good score in either category is to blow a few towns up and get a few kills here and there (dont forget to capture 3 or 4 bases with both goons and M3s) suddenly your score is down to 10-40 in both GV and Bomber. Fighter it is pure kills/death and kills/sortie and kills/hour. Attack is similar to fighter. but even then some of the higher scoring flyers actually dont know ACM down to a science but they know how to live and land.
But you've never really fought me since most of our fights only last two turns. :O
Do a BBS search foo :lolwha'chew talkin bout WILLITH :banana:
SHawk is definitely good. Good SA, wavers on the side of caution, great aim, good acms, good supporting cast. But when it comes to fighting 1v1 he is a one trick pony, Triple Immelman, hang on your prop in the sun, if that don't work the fight is over. Probably in the top 40 or so.from what ive heard and seen this statement you wrote is a good summary of how he is. ive never personally had any 1vs1 against him yet
That's true. But that was because I was 15mph faster than you, if I remember correctly. Are you saying you'd last longer if the speed was equal? See, selective memory works both ways. If you want to count the face shooting err 1 degree deflection shots after a 2 year break lets count the ones before that too? When would you like history to begin?
Really, claiming you are better than people you never fought and know they have been off the game for a long long time is kind of arrogant don't you think? You don't see them here making any statements do you? I am sorry my opinion hurt your feelings but they were better. One well aimed tater does not change that.
You will find out eventually like the others, that if you have to start threads or talk about how good you are, you are not going to be around for too long. The game will become very frustrating since there will always be someone better in any given day.
TJ got to where you are in a few weeks. How long did it take you?
Gheesh don't get so serious Ded, I am just trolling you. :)
Sry but I take front quarter shots in my duels, if you don't like it, then don't give me a front quarter shot or try to force it into a head on situation just so I'll hold fire. That's lame!:lol
Well of course they were better, everything was better 8 years ago, and nothing will ever be able to compare to that golden era again, that has already been concluded here on the bbs.Well, we finally agree!
Who started any thread? You guys are the ones that get your panties in a bunch over this stuff.Don't know to tell you the truth. I am just responding to the troll
TJ got good in a few weeks? That's news to me.Ahh, makes sense. I hear Levi was using a one button mouse back then :neener:
After I got my pedals it took me about 6 months or so. When we used to fight a couple years ago when you always edged me, I was using keyboard rudders and an St290 walmart joystick.
what about that shawk guy. He has consistently ranked top (or near top) slot in game for the past several years, yet no one seems to refer to him as a great stick?
Well, my hat's off to the latest, greatest generation of virtual pilots. If you guys are even half as good as you insist on telling everyone, then you no doubt represent the vanguard of a new, never-before-witnessed era in pretend WW2 air combat awesomeness.
you realize this thread had become beyond stupid.... a bunch of top sticks arguing who are the top sticks.....shhh... dont tell em that! its funny listening to their tirades :D
Its like if Warren Buffet and Bill Gates got into an argument about being rich...
I'm not rich, I only have 35 billion, you have 50 billion. No, the Carols Helu is the has more than you... you just like to sling your 50 billion in front of the press with your foundation...
psst,, your all fluffluff'n good, who cares who thinks who is 'better', its meaningless. When your very good, its more about who misses the first shot than anything else.
How about we unperk everything in EW & MW?
How about we unperk everything in EW & MW?
Well, my hat's off to the latest, greatest generation of virtual pilots. If you guys are even half as good as you insist on telling everyone, then you no doubt represent the vanguard of a new, never-before-witnessed era in pretend WW2 air combat awesomeness.
How about you dont hijack a good hijack? :rofl
Drex has been up and about a bit lately. I got him a couple times while the rust was showing. It's been ugly since. What I like is he generally is low and looking for a fight in that Spit IX of his. Agent, unless the crowd has irked himto the point of getting frustrated, fights the same way. Look low and there he is on the deck looking for a fight.
Good fun, even if I get the chop more then half the time :)
you realize this thread had become beyond stupid.... a bunch of top sticks arguing who are the top sticks.....A good bowel cleansing is just what the forums needed. Its been too long yay ;)
Don't Fm2's outturn most aircraft in the game?
Well, my hat's off to the latest, greatest generation of virtual pilots. If you guys are even half as good as you insist on telling everyone, then you no doubt represent the vanguard of a new, never-before-witnessed era in pretend WW2 air combat awesomeness.
You suggesting an FM2 is a better bird then the 109K4 or 262?
No, I'm saying that it outturns practically everything in the game. Make your own deductions from that. :aok
Well, my hat's off to the latest, greatest generation of virtual pilots. If you guys are even half as good as you insist on telling everyone, then you no doubt represent the vanguard of a new, never-before-witnessed era in pretend WW2 air combat awesomeness.
No, I'm saying that it outturns practically everything in the game. Make your own deductions from that. :aok
So my mentioning Slapshot and his FM2 has anything to do with it's turning ability how? You suggesting that the plane makes him better? My point like the other guys I mentioned were that they take on all comers and can usually be found down low. I didn't name my top 5, just guys who impress me :aok
You mentioned the FM2, I mentioned that it practically outturns everything.
LOL, OK makes perfect sense :aok
Grizz, I've been meaning to ask you, do you have the films from our only DA meet? A looooong time ago, where I beat you 5-0? Just curious, but I need those so I can reminisce on the times before you got really, really good.
Are we going to see a "FM2 IS OVER MODELED!" thread in the future? :D
ack-ack
Hah. I would also put spit9s, p40s, and brewsters into the same category. It's not really a threat since it a pretty slow and you can just extend away from it when it turns circles around you, but it's not like you are really accomplishing much by outturning late war planes in a plane that should outturn late war planes.
Read the bolded part. It makes the rest of what you write look dumb and contradictory.
I'm sure your spit5 back in the day was incredibly deadly, but it's hilarious thinking that I would ever let myself get killed by a spit5/spit9 in an LW ride that has speed and climb advantages over it. It would probably just be a stalemate until I finally landed my shot.
So basically if you fly a turny bird, you get kills on those dumb enough to fight you on your terms and trick people dumb enough to fly in front of your guns in obvious setups. Not much more to it.
This was always the case. This is your nouveau style of flying, to do what players were doing back in beta when flying 109s/190s against Spits and other better turning planes?
If you ever come back, I'd enjoy seeing how an aces high god sucks me into such a losing battle, but I'm sure if you do it will be in shades anyways. :aok
I think I will always remember one fight we had in the ma lev. I was in an a5 and you were in your spit. I knew it was you before we engaged so I managedto surprise you off the merge. We merged cold headon, you went vertical to immelman and so did I. The reason I will always remember it is because I surprised you and I could actually tell... I had chopped throttle before the merge and I ended up nearly saddled up on you... then you jerked around into a spiral climb and nailed me after I stalled out. But for one shining moment I knew I had you lol. Honest to god I think I'll always remember that... oh and for the record... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
by the way if i was his attorney Ded you would already have been served with a gag order!!!! :neener: :D
Hah. I would also put spit9s, p40s, and brewsters into the same category. It's not really a threat since it a pretty slow and you can just extend away from it when it turns circles around you, but it's not like you are really accomplishing much by outturning late war planes in a plane that should outturn late war planes.
"Aces High Gods" would lose that fight just about every time to a semi-competent pilot who has a better plane with more E, or in the very least they would stalemate until the pilot in the lesser plane gets picked, grows bored, or makes a mistake. Certainly, all things being equal, the guy in the better plane with E should win.
What you're saying is just very basic stuff, though I suspect you're trying to couch it as something new and exciting. Folks have been doing what you describe since beta and since even before Aces High (there were lots of great E fighters in Air Warrior).
Of course it is basic stuff, that's the point, and why you can never be considered a world beater by flying a turny bird in the LW. You seem to have me sized up quite well, considering you haven't played the game in years. Hopefully you can return soon and show me the ways of the old guard.
I could care less. If I cared what anyone thought, I wouldn't be calling out the gods.
Back to the original point, turny birds are easy mode.
Of course you care, that's exactly why you're calling out the "gods." This entire thread is an exercise in self-inflation because you desperately want others to think you're on par with some of the more folks who played the game well 5+ years ago. You can't even throw out a compliment to someone without a caveat. Is your ego that fragile?
Is this the new part? I remember folks whining about that back in Air Warrior.
I could care less. If I cared what anyone thought, I wouldn't be calling out the gods.
Lol, could care less, I'm just trolling you. If you want to sign up for an account and get your butt whipped in your own plane though, feel free anytime. :aok
Grizz, you're doing it wrong FFS. Trolls don't admit to being trolls.
Grizz, you're doing it wrong FFS. Trolls don't admit to being trolls.
Back to the original point, turny birds are easy mode.
Lol, could care less, I'm just trolling you. If you want to sign up for an account and get your butt whipped in your own plane though, feel free anytime. :aok
Actually I'm pretty certain I could dominate levi in spits, but I would love to see you curb stomp him in spits. Now THAT would be fun to watch.
If I ever got the chance to take Levi on 1v1 I wouldn't be out to "curb stomp" him, infact I would find it a great honour and a good experience to learn from one of the best.
I don't think so but we can go make some more films if you'd like. :D
If I was still subscribed I would take you up on that. When I get back, I'm going to need some help!
You actually proved me wrong, Grizz. I figured you would make something up about it never happening :). I knew you loved me!!
#S#
Banshee7
LOL Grizz, you are spending way too much time hiding behind the 'I'm just trolling" line.
I guess we'll just have to concede you are the bestest ever! :)
What else would you call it? The entertainment this provides me during an otherwise bland Friday at work is as fun as picking your P38G with a jet. :eek: :rock
Somebody run with dirtdart's spit comment before the day is lost :mad:
So, who missed Skyrock?
Funny how Levi was the Grizz of AW and of AH until recently and then the new and improved Grizz/Levi is here arguing with his shade account Levi ver. 1.1 to keep us entertained while HiTech is knitting us a new game for Christmass. Levi/deadf in AW flew exactly like Grizz does now in AHII.
Levi weren't you a college kid in AW?? You flew Aland alot in spits. You always came in high, smoked everyone and landed strings of kills with half your plane shot to pieces. It always seemed like his only reason to be in the game was to ruin your day by showing up and spanking everyone around you while you had a string of hard earned kills to take home and land.
But then AW was just an arkady cartoonish shootemup compaired to AH and it's superior coad and players........... :old:
And so GrizzRock was born :neener:
<---Owns You. :D
I could care less. If I cared what anyone thought, I wouldn't be calling out the gods.
Back to the original point, turny birds are easy mode.
Thank you for the much needed distraction on this dreary friday morning of work though. :aok
Roping turny birds in K-4 is hard though, right?
He flew a 38 as +Dead in The Nomads for quite some time, as well as DeadF. He also flew for B-land when he joined The Nomads.
mir
He flew a 38 as +Dead in The Nomads for quite some time, as well as DeadF. He also flew for B-land when he joined The Nomads.
mir
I taught him everything he knows. One other thing he never went over 5k as the thin air above that alt was bad for his skin.
And he sucked.
ack ack did made no mention of my statement so i must conclude that my statement, although not likely 100% positive was close enough to the truth that he was comfortable with it as being an accurate portrait of him, proof of this being that he did not turn his razor shape tongue/typing fingers on me in dispute.
Actually I've pretty much ignored your posts in this thread because you really don't know how I fly or fight and all you base it on is what you hear from others as they whine on Channel 200 after I've shot them down.
I'll let you go now because I'm sure you're late for your weekly meeting of the Grizz FanBoi Club :D
ack-ack
so you ingnored me???? and how many days later did you get around to sneaking this in???? ack ack your a goof!!! :D
i know how you fly from watching you as well as hearing of your exploits, am i an ack-ack expert? nope, dont know you as a person and your not a squaddie so i dont care enough about you to be bothered to pay much attention to you. but you are a very talented player so when im in the area of you i will watch and learn when possible.
but of course nothing in your post refutes what i said, you just made a very weak attempt to undermine my statement by insulting and undermining me or my access to information. thus i reiterate what i said before and still stand by it as the truth as i know it.
As i stated before, Grizz is far from one of my favorite people, we are not what you would call "friends", but this does not deminish his skill as a player.
i have more self respect than most so i will not allow personality conflicts between me and another to sway or taint my opinion regarding that persons talent or skill in any particular thing. if a person is good at something i will call it so, even if i hate that person, if they suck i will state it even if that person is my friend. if i lie based upon personal opinion then i cheapen myself an my personal intergrity by allowing emotion to control intelect.
so i guess my point is that all of you who would consider Grizz to not be a very talented and skilled player at this game are either ignorant to the facts and just spouting off at the mouth because you like being part of the picking horde, or you know better but are intentionally choosing instead to allow your personal integrity to be corrupted by your dislike of him as a person, for whatever personal reason(s) you may have.
you wanna talk trash about Grizz then have some integrity and self respect and do it over something based in fact(s), not by trying to take away from him his talents and skills in this game that are both respectable and were well earned.
LOL! You really are offended that I don't think Grizz is the 2nd coming of the AH Christ. You should go back and read my posts or better yet, have someone that can comprehend read the posts to you. No one had denied that Grizz has "skill", he is a good pilot I said as much but unlike you, I know the emperor wears no clothes.
Would it make the pain go away if I was to say that Grizz was the greatest, most uber pilot that has ever graced AH?
ack-ack
Ack-Ack has been been quite pissy since I trolled his bellybutton into the ground with the lead computed gunsight thing. Please forgive him. Pain makes people mean and that had to hurt.
Be kind.
You guys gotta relax. Always good to keep in mind who the troller is and who is the trollee as well. Just cause a person claims to be the first to throw bait into the water doesn't make it true :)
I'd never have believed this thread would last this long too :aok
Guppy!!!
how dare you troll a thread that you started as a troll and from which Grizz me ack-ack and many others have bounced other trollings off of!!!!!
thats just down right wrong!!!!
get out you TROLL!!!!!!
:D
Of course it is basic stuff, that's the point, and why you can never be considered a world beater by flying a turny bird in the LW. You seem to have me sized up quite well, considering you haven't played the game in years. Hopefully you can return soon and show me the ways of the old guard.
This thread has the potential to put an eye out. (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_hiding2.gif)
what if Grizz and Levi were the same guy ....wouldn't that make him BiPolar? (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/aFu_ArsenioYell.gif)
learn to respect yourself enough to have the integrity to speak the truth about a person whether you like them or not.......ok life lesson over with.
I'm still not buying that you aren't his attorney :D
Nope! That would make him somebody with MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder).
I think its pronounced "Muppet Personality Disorder".
:cool:,
Wab
Cause if you think about it, if we let everybody up the early war birds for free, it may just generate some interest!!!
:neener:
unperk everything for a month and see what happens, if it's good then great if not then go back, i would just be curious to see how gameplay would change, equal planes for everyone seems to me would be a equal playing field, new players coming into this game are at a total disadvantage with the steep learning curve, they get frustrated, which tend to make some not go past the 2 week trial
Nothing you can do is ever going to make LW not suck. Just too many people playing, herding together, smack talking, generally being asinine towards each other.
Nothing you can do is ever going to make LW not suck. Just too many people playing, herding together, smack talking, generally being asinine towards each other.
Nothing you can do is ever going to make LW not suck. Just too many people playing, herding together, smack talking, generally being asinine towards each other.I always thought that was the beauty of LW :headscratch:
I always thought that was the beauty of LW :headscratch:
Maybe that's the appeal to a few throwbacks. Possibly one reason why the subscription numbers have always been so low is that the game is advertised as being WW2 Air Combat Sim etc etc.. Doesn't take long to realise it's just Air Quake with a capture the flag deathmatch attitude to match. Possibly emphasised even more by some squads who's forte and favourite terminology is "seal smacking".
And of course not helped by a score system and posting #1 rankings for the month on the main page. I've always thought that's very counter productive from trying to promote the game as being more missions,squads, team work and strategy focused. It use to be that way inclined up to about 2003 but has leaned more towards Air Quake ever since.
<S>...-Gixer
Maybe that's the appeal to a few throwbacks. Possibly one reason why the subscription numbers have always been so low is that the game is advertised as being WW2 Air Combat Sim etc etc.. Doesn't take long to realise it's just Air Quake with a capture the flag deathmatch attitude to match. Possibly emphasised even more by some squads who's forte and favourite terminology is "seal smacking".
And of course not helped by a score system and posting #1 rankings for the month on the main page. I've always thought that's very counter productive from trying to promote the game as being more missions,squads, team work and strategy focused. It use to be that way inclined up to about 2003 but has leaned more towards Air Quake ever since.
<S>...-Gixer
Maybe that's the appeal to a few throwbacks. Possibly one reason why the subscription numbers have always been so low is that the game is advertised as being WW2 Air Combat Sim etc etc.. Doesn't take long to realise it's just Air Quake with a capture the flag deathmatch attitude to match. Possibly emphasised even more by some squads who's forte and favourite terminology is "seal smacking".
And of course not helped by a score system and posting #1 rankings for the month on the main page. I've always thought that's very counter productive from trying to promote the game as being more missions,squads, team work and strategy focused. It use to be that way inclined up to about 2003 but has leaned more towards Air Quake ever since.
<S>...-Gixer
Now this guy Gixer truely gets it! :salute
... Just wishing more folks get it too!
All the Best...
Jay
Makes me wonder what the game would have been like if Combat Tour would have materialized. It was sure a disappointment for me when it didn't. I'd much rather be addicted to something like CT then Air Quake.I was very interested in CT also.
Peeking my nose in a bit........lol.....I remember killing grizz and kappa in a 2vs1.....although the first kill of kappa, he was just watching...I thought he was engaging, he came back with a vengence, so I got to kill him twice in that one sortie :-).....and comming back after a month off and bouncing ack ack twice in a row and givin him a trip to the tower each time......quite easily I must add.....thats it I just made every post in here moot......I am ta uberist of uberistis here.....you all must bow down before your master..........
so this is what I have been "missing"?