It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of logic. Players who approach ACM (and by extension, Aces High) with regard to Strategic Dominance gaming theory (as I do) will find such a system VERY easy to abuse for advantage... and I commonly do. It's the nature of ACM when practiced in a textbook definition.
The above quote really opened my eyes to a whole new level of skill that I never knew existed before. Ever since I started studying the Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory to improve my skills I have seen vast improvements in my ability to own noobs. I am now going to pass this knowledge onto you, the community of Aces High 2! Please enjoy my book "Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory of Aces High 2"!!
Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory of Aces High 2
Chapter 1: Introduction Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory is the theory of using strategic dominance in gaming by using epic skills to destroy your opponents will to live. A player using Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory (which I will now refer to as SDGT) will use the most advantageous strategy in order to easily achieve victory no matter how gay and cowardly the strategy is. If option A always dominates option B then a player of SDGT will always choose option A. This is the theory behind the dominance of strategic gaming.
Chapter 2: Applying SDGT to AH2 Now that we know what SDGT is we must now understand how to apply it to Aces High 2 so we can achieve the number one fighter rank. Aces High 2 is a WW2 Flight Simulator Game so Aerial Combat Maneuvers will be our baseline for achieving our strategic dominance. However, ACM is a very rock-paper-scissor type of thing and every maneuver will have a counter maneuver that will defeat it. This of course goes against the SDGT so we will have to improvise slightly and find the easiest and safest flying style so to lessen the number of moves our opponents can use against us. In a fight speed is life so we will be developing our fighting style around this and focusing on Boom-and-Zoom tactics. Chapter 3: The BnZ
Now that we know what flying style is the easiest to fly we need to perfect it to minimize the amount of danger to us. The first and most basic aspect for BnZ'ing is to have an altitude advantage. With an altitude advantage we can then "Boom" onto our opponent and then "Zoom" away. This is how BnZ'ing works. Because we have so much speed from diving on them this will limit the amount of time our opponent has to react, avoid our shot, and prevent him from getting any kind of decent return fire on us. Another advantage to have is speed. If you have speed before you start your dive then you will increase your speed advantage even more making it even less likely that you can be killed. Remember that speed is life and you can never succeed in winning the number one fighter rank without it.
Chapter 4: Bringing Friends Another way to lessen the risk of harming your score is to bring wingmen with you. The more wingmen you have the better. Using your wingmen to gang up on your opponent will force them to lose altitude and speed fighting them. This will make your life easier as you use your BnZ tactics to pick your opponent while he's already busy engaged with your wingmen. Having friends also has the added benefit of having them clear your six if you ever make a mistake. SDGT will assure you 100% victories, however we are only human and are incapable of making the right decision 100% of the time. We will make mistakes. Having wingmen around will mean any mistakes you do make your wingmen can then bail you out and you can continue to claim amazing mistake-free skills.
Chapter 5: Picking your Plane The tool that we use to dominate our opponents is a crucial decision to make. In AH2 that tool is our plane. Since we already have our flying style figured out, the BnZ with wingmen, we need to pick the easiest plane to fit this style. There are actually a few planes that fit this mold fairly well. The Fw 190D-9 is a good starting plane. With it's high speed, great climb rate and powerful gun package this plane easily fits into the BnZ category. Alternatively, the Ta-152H is also a fine choice. It performs very similar to the 190D-9 but has an even more powerful gun package and can fly at a much higher altitude, a strength that plays very well into BnZing. Once you have gotten in enough practice with these two planes though then the La-7 is the next plane you will want to move to. The La-7 is one of the more difficult planes to fly in the game which is why you should wait until you get very good in your SDGT with the 190D-9 and Ta-152H before using it. It's extremely high speed and insanely good climb rate are superb features for our BnZ tactics and it's gun package of 3 20mm's will shred any plane we attack. Do not make the mistake of taking the 2 20mm package as we are working with the SDGT and the SDGT tells us that the 3 gun package is superior to the 2 gun package. Lastly we have the Me-262. Being a jet plane we can already see the speed advantage we will have over any opponent we come across. We will be allowed to engage and disengage at will with little to no risk of dying, and it's quad 30mm cannons will shred apart any and all planes that we come across. One thing that I must add is do not fall for the old 'Spitfire is a great trainer plane' that you will hear most everyone saying. The Spitfires are terrible aircraft to learn anything in. They turn very well, climb well, and retain energy extremely well. While this may seem like good things and make the aircraft a nice plane to learn it, it is not. These attributes will teach you wrong tactics that can not be used in our SDGT.
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Post by: Latrobe on August 22, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
Chapter 6: What to do when we can't employ SDGT There will be cases when we can not use our one maneuver in order to defeat our opponent. The enemy can cheat, use lag, gang us/our wingmen, or use any one of the maneuvers that counter ours. In these cases it's important to fall back on our second SDGT. We don't want to waste our time learning any more ACM than the one move we already know as we want to achieve the fighter rank of one as quickly as possible. The correct procedure to take in these cases is to immediately engage WEP and dive slightly to gain speed. This may sound counter intuative to our first SDGT of BnZing with altitude but our goal here is to increase speed and separation to our opponent. Your opponent may try to bruise your ego by calling you a cowardly runner but this is a common SDGT used by many these days to make you make a mistake, do not fall for it and continue to extend. The next thing you need to do after gaining more speed than your opponent and getting out of his gun range is to stare off your six and watch your opponent while you maneuver towards some wingmen. If you see your opponent begin to break off then reverse back into him and continue your BnZ tactics. Remember that if your opponent gets on your tail or looks to be lining up a shot do not bother with any other ACM. Immediately dive and extend until they give up chase or your wingmen show up.
Chapter 7: Wrapping Things Up If all goes well and you followed this SDGT to the letter then you should have dominated your opponent and killed him. Now we shall cover some more minor details involved with SDGT. Firstly, be sure to record every single sortie you fly. This way you have video evidence of your incredible skills. The need for this is you will come across people who doubt your skills. They will try to taunt you with phrases like "Nice ack hugging" or "Nice running to friends". When confronted with such people the correct course of action is as follows: ONE: type .report [Player's name]. This will report his abusive behaviour to the moderators and show him you mean business. TWO: Correct him on his error and let him know that you were merely using your SDGT to own him. THREE: If he does not see the error of his ways and continues his ridiculous banter and doubting your skills then challenge him to the DA. If he claims you're not worth his time then you have won the internet argument. If he accepts then we shall cover what to do in the next chapter. FOUR: If the person actually does make a point and backs it up with evidence then do not back down! Deny all evidence they provide and instead look through your folder full of all the sorties you record. Find one kill you have on this person and upload it to YouTube immediately. This will show him who is boss and you will win the internet argument. Side note: It's a good idea to make multiple YouTube accounts and watch your own videos multiple times so it looks like you are popular. Also get some of your wingmen to stroke your ego in the comment section to show anyone who does watch the videos what an amazing pilot you are.
Chapter 8: DA and Challenges If you ever come across someone who doubts your skills or provides evidence that disproves any of your opinions then it's best to challenge them to the DA. DA challenges are the decider of all arguments. Any other challenge anyone makes to you is unimportant and will not show how awesome you are, so if anyone challenges you to anything stupid like an Ice Cream Eating Competition then tell them to go kill themself for being a depressed fat kid with an eating disorder. This is absolutely the correct course of action to take in such a circumstance. Once you do get the person into the DA then it's time to employ a variation of your SDGT. Since we can't start with an altitude advantage as we do in the MA we will have to gain the advantage through another means. On the merge go into a slow climb away from your opponent, WEP on, and spam the combat trim on and off. Spamming the combat trim will lower your drag and increase your speed slightly allowing you to gain the altitude advantage on the merge. Once you've gained the altitude advantage then just use your SDGT from the MA to kill your opponent. If your opponent matches your maneuver or counters it then things get pretty tricky as you can't get any wingmen to help you out. In these cases it's best to stick stir as hard as you can to throw off their shot and shut your engine off to make your opponent overshoot. If your opponent runs from you like some 16 year old kid who speaks in Archaic Victorian English, or, God forbid, he's some black weaboo who needs to go take a dump in the middle of the fight, then follow them for a good 15 minutes. This will show the entire internet who is the superior pilot when you upload the match to YouTube. If by some fluke you somehow get soundly defeated by a vastly superior pilot then simply deny ever having gone to the DA with them. No one will ever know.
Chapter 9: Dealing with Bad Game Modeling Aces High 2, as popular as it is with it's community, is actually a rather poorly coded game with many flaws. Some of which that are going to interfere with your SDGT. The first is the absolutely horrid torque modeling of the planes engine. It is entirely inaccuarte and nothing like how a normal plane acts in real life. However, you can get around this flaw by turning your engine off. Turning your engine off removes the terrible engine torque modeling and allows you to fly properly. In situations where you are roping your opponent up be sure to turn your engine off at the top of the loop so your plane will fly properly. Additionally the throttle is modeled incorrectly as well, so if you ever need to slow down to, lets say, strafe wingless F4F's then don't even touch your throttle. Instead just turn your engine off and you will slow down much faster. The trimming of planes is also very wonky and useless. HiTech Creations has however given us a tool that we can exploit to fix this problem. This is the Combat Trim feature. By spamming the Combat Trim on and off quickly we can trim our plane without having to deal with the terrible coding HTC has done to it's planes. Be sure to spam the Combat Trim many times in your flight to reduce drag and gain a tiny amount more speed. Remember that speed is a key strength in our SDGT.
Chapter 10: Review To wrap things up let's go over everything we learned. The BnZ fighting style will be our fighting style as it is the easiest and saftest one to fly. Fly at high altitudes to have an altitude advantage over everyone, be fast and stay fast, and remember to Never. Ever. Turn! Fly only 190D-9's, Ta-152H's, La-7's and Me-262's as they are among the fastest planes in the game and fit very well into our SDGT. Bring friends in these planes as well. There is saftey in numbers and you can hang around above a fight while your wingmen gang your opponent for you allowing you to swoop in and claim an easy kill. Don't bother with any other ACM other than the one we discussed in this book. They are not needed. If you find yourself unable to employ this one ACM then dive, pick up speed and separation, and wait for your wingmen to arrive or your opponent to give up chase. Most importantly, do not fall for the common SDGT of your opponent taunting you. Continue to extend until you gain the advantage again either through numbers or your opponent breaking off. Record all sorties for video evidence and report anyone who doubts your skills. Challenge them to DA matches and decline any stupid challenges that don't involved the DA. Post kills you have of said DA challenger to YouTube to prove your point. Remember the little tips to work around the horrible game coding. Turn your engine off to remove inaccurate engine torque or to slow down, and spam Combat Trim to gain some extra speed.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: darkzking on August 22, 2015, 10:41:34 PM
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Post by: lerxst on August 22, 2015, 11:40:34 PM
:rofl :rofl :rock :rock just perfect good work sir!!
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Post by: hgtonyvi on August 22, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
:aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: WEZEL on August 23, 2015, 02:47:02 AM
:rock
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Citabria on August 23, 2015, 03:06:16 AM
great troll but there is a real theory that is actually fun to use and it was made by a fighter pilot...
"Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War" is a book you should read. hes the guy that gave you the Energy Maneuverability charts that badboy used to post a lot.
and this is his theory...
OODA loop
Boyd's key concept was that of the decision cycle or OODA loop, the process by which an entity (either an individual or an organization) reacts to an event. According to this idea, the key to victory is to be able to create situations wherein one can make appropriate decisions more quickly than one's opponent. The construct was originally a theory of achieving success in air-to-air combat, developed out of Boyd's Energy-Maneuverability theory and his observations on air combat between MiG-15s and North American F-86 Sabres in Korea. Harry Hillaker (chief designer of the F-16) said of the OODA theory, "Time is the dominant parameter. The pilot who goes through the OODA cycle in the shortest time prevails because his opponent is caught responding to situations that have already changed."
Boyd hypothesized that all intelligent organisms and organizations undergo a continuous cycle of interaction with their environment. Boyd breaks this cycle down to four interrelated and overlapping processes through which one cycles continuously:
Observation: the collection of data by means of the senses Orientation: the analysis and synthesis of data to form one's current mental perspective Decision: the determination of a course of action based on one's current mental perspective Action: the physical playing-out of decisions
Of course, while this is taking place, the situation may be changing. It is sometimes necessary to cancel a planned action in order to meet the changes. This decision cycle is thus known as the OODA loop. Boyd emphasized that this decision cycle is the central mechanism enabling adaptation (apart from natural selection) and is therefore critical to survival.
.......
to sum it up if you can act and react faster than your opponent before they can correctly react to your actions you will always defeat them.
the longer amount of time you give your opponent to counter anything you are doing the larger the probability is they will have a counter move that can defeat you.
this is why speed is life in real combat but it has nothing to do with speed it has to do with reaction times.
in the same way maneuverability is so powerful in air combat it is also because of reaction times.
out fly outmaneuver and out speed your opponent before they can out fly out speed and out maneuver you its that simple.
to quote star trek... "Time is the fire in which we burn." and like the guy that designed the f16 said... "Time is the dominant parameter"
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 23, 2015, 05:00:41 AM
Noooo! Latrboe tricked me into reading a book! :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Lab Rat 3947 on August 23, 2015, 05:06:53 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
:salute :cheers:
thanks for the satire :old:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Citabria on August 23, 2015, 05:24:33 AM
skip to part two and the tactics are very well explained for fighter vs fighter combat. the missile tactics dont apply to aces high but everything else is still solid info on tactics and maneuvers.
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Post by: ink on August 23, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: icepac on August 23, 2015, 08:00:23 AM
Templates are only effective against a predictable opponent.
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Post by: danny76 on August 23, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
Superb :rofl :salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 23, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
great troll but there is a real theory that is actually fun to use and it was made by a fighter pilot...
"Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War" is a book you should read. hes the guy that gave you the Energy Maneuverability charts that badboy used to post a lot.
and this is his theory...
OODA loop
Boyd's key concept was that of the decision cycle or OODA loop, the process by which an entity (either an individual or an organization) reacts to an event. According to this idea, the key to victory is to be able to create situations wherein one can make appropriate decisions more quickly than one's opponent. The construct was originally a theory of achieving success in air-to-air combat, developed out of Boyd's Energy-Maneuverability theory and his observations on air combat between MiG-15s and North American F-86 Sabres in Korea. Harry Hillaker (chief designer of the F-16) said of the OODA theory, "Time is the dominant parameter. The pilot who goes through the OODA cycle in the shortest time prevails because his opponent is caught responding to situations that have already changed."
Boyd hypothesized that all intelligent organisms and organizations undergo a continuous cycle of interaction with their environment. Boyd breaks this cycle down to four interrelated and overlapping processes through which one cycles continuously:
Observation: the collection of data by means of the senses Orientation: the analysis and synthesis of data to form one's current mental perspective Decision: the determination of a course of action based on one's current mental perspective Action: the physical playing-out of decisions
Of course, while this is taking place, the situation may be changing. It is sometimes necessary to cancel a planned action in order to meet the changes. This decision cycle is thus known as the OODA loop. Boyd emphasized that this decision cycle is the central mechanism enabling adaptation (apart from natural selection) and is therefore critical to survival.
.......
to sum it up if you can act and react faster than your opponent before they can correctly react to your actions you will always defeat them.
the longer amount of time you give your opponent to counter anything you are doing the larger the probability is they will have a counter move that can defeat you.
this is why speed is life in real combat but it has nothing to do with speed it has to do with reaction times.
in the same way maneuverability is so powerful in air combat it is also because of reaction times.
out fly outmaneuver and out speed your opponent before they can out fly out speed and out maneuver you its that simple.
to quote star trek... "Time is the fire in which we burn." and like the guy that designed the f16 said... "Time is the dominant parameter"
Chapter 8: DA and Challenges ... If your opponent runs from you like some 16 year old kid [who is a] weaboo who needs to go take a dump in the middle of the fight, then follow them for a good 15 minutes...
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Drano on August 23, 2015, 03:33:18 PM
Death to the Gamelons!
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Wizz on August 23, 2015, 03:38:09 PM
:x :rock :salute
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Post by: bustr on August 23, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
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Post by: tuton25 on August 23, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
I fly this way to some degree.... I couldn't keep people in front of me so I just started shooting backwards....
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slade on August 24, 2015, 05:59:01 AM
Latrobe that was brilliant. :salute
Yesterday I was at about 5k in A6m3. A well known pilot flying a FW-190 buzzed our field a few times and I pursued him after he lost much of his E. In a 45 degree dive I was able to pull within 1k of him. Instead of engaging me after he extended he just hurled insults at me. "You have to be stupid to turn fight a zeke" kinda thing. I'd counter "is turn fighting a zeke your only option?".
The longer I pursued this pilot running in his very capable plane, the more insults he hurled at me. Functionally justifying his superior decision not to fight me because the odds would not be ridiculously in his favor. He then continued calling me out after that flight. I said enough and logged off. I noticed before I did that he came back at 25k-ish and was ridiculing me for not fighting.
Maybe my encounter with the 190 exposed this gentlemen's 1 dimensional flying style. Maybe that compelled him into defensive insulting mode. I dont know.
I am just an average pilot but LOVES this game and opportunity to participate in it. Latrobe your book hit the essence of the behaviors of these one-dimensional pilots spot on.
Perhaps the root cause of this type friction is the premise: because you dont fly the way I think you should fly, you are a lesser pilot than I and deserve to be insulted.
Maybe we need to leave room for others to fly as they wish. Some of us fly for the pure fun of ACM not for score. To each his own. :salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slade on August 24, 2015, 06:40:40 AM
I'll add:
I think some of those that fly in the 1 dimensional way as Latrobe cleverly detailed are a little embarrassed about it. I think they want to be thought of as a great virtual pilot and to them score is the holy grail of that perception. So to knock how many ways score can be skewed insults them.
To me the most respected pilots in the game are those like Greebo, DrZ and Latrobe. Take average planes and find ways to do amazing things in them. I see something they do and want to learn it. Also the tenacity players like INK. Fight in any situation regardless of the odds. Love that!
Those are the true, unmeasurable, best type pilots in this game to me.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2015, 10:13:52 AM
If nobody chooses to fight the airplane you choose to fly whose choice was wrong? :D
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zimme83 on August 24, 2015, 10:24:24 AM
Im too impatient to do the BnZ:ing, its just boringeven dough the K/D ratio is better in a Dora than in the Brewster. But its a lot more fun to just dive into a furball with the Brewster like a fat man doing the cannon ball into a shark tank, Death often come very quick but its still more fun than doing 500mph passes and trying to get a ½ sec snap shot on a con fighting someone else...
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 24, 2015, 01:09:22 PM
If nobody chooses to fight the airplane you choose to fly whose choice was wrong? :D
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: nooby52 on August 24, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
Upon reading this thread I am reminded of the humor, smack talk, and banter of Air Warrior <sigh, those were the days>. History repeats itself. :joystick:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2015, 02:20:30 PM
Upon reading this thread I am reminded of the humor, smack talk, and banter of Air Warrior <sigh, those were the days>. History repeats itself. :joystick:
Well it is many of the same people. :D
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: puller on August 24, 2015, 03:18:45 PM
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
This ^^^
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Someguy63 on August 24, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
^^
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: hitech on August 24, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
According to this logic the better pilots left the game long before grizz and batfink started playing.
HiTech
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Post by: Bear76 on August 24, 2015, 03:38:21 PM
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
Yeah, Grizz was definitely one of the better opponents I encountered, by far.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 24, 2015, 07:52:10 PM
You can all try and hijack this thread with your little quarrels if you want but I'm just trying to help newer or lesser skilled players out and teach them how to get that #1 Fighter Rank by putting forth as little effort as possible and not earning it through stupid means like "actual skill".
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 24, 2015, 07:58:31 PM
You can all try and hijack this thread with your little quarrels if you want but I'm just trying to help newer or lesser skilled players out and teach them how to get that #1 Fighter Rank by putting forth as little effort as possible and not earning it through stupid means like "actual skill".
:salute
I'm sorry Trobe. I know the lazy mans #1 is important to you
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 24, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
You can all try and hijack this thread with your little quarrels if you want but I'm just trying to help newer or lesser skilled players out and teach them how to get that #1 Fighter Rank by putting forth as little effort as possible and not earning it through stupid means like "actual skill".
:salute
I, being the stereotypical lazy Mexican, thank you for your "guide" as this type of fighting suits my lazy lifestyle by allowing me to put forth as little effort as possible. Now it's time for my 3rd afternoon siesta.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: ink on August 24, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
I, being the stereotypical lazy Mexican, thank you for your "guide" as this type of fighting suits my lazy lifestyle by allowing me to put forth as little effort as possible. Now it's time for my 3rd afternoon siesta.
:eek:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
oh my
this thread is WINNING!!!!!!! :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 24, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
That was brilliant Latrobe, Great work!!
Hahahah!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 24, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
I, being the stereotypical lazy Mexican, thank you for your "guide" as this type of fighting suits my lazy lifestyle by allowing me to put forth as little effort as possible. Now it's time for my 3rd afternoon siesta.
What about my yard?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JOACH1M on August 25, 2015, 12:14:04 AM
That your original statement is not correct for multiple reasons. If the better pilots had left previously then grizz could not be one of the better pilots.
Or as is really the case , there are always better pilots in the game. I.E. you are simply seeing things "In the good old days."
HiTech
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 10:33:30 AM
That your original statement is not correct for multiple reasons. If the better pilots had left previously then grizz could not be one of the better pilots.
Or as is really the case , there are always better pilots in the game. I.E. you are simply seeing things "In the good old days."
HiTech
Or, as I intended my comment: from my perspective and my time in-game. You assumed wrongly that I was speaking since inception. I wasn't because I have no basis for making a comparison on people I've not fought or seen fly.
I think you responded to my comment for other reasons...
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: hitech on August 25, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Latydoo would you publish a French version for me please? I too want to zoom around in canon planes to show my skillz.
In the French version; you take off from a base, turn 180, and fly back towards your own HQ. Once your plane runs out of fuel, ditch & surrender to the nearest windmill. :neener:
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on August 25, 2015, 10:58:15 AM
Jimbo :D
Nah that's a stereotype. The French version is sitting in the shade of a P47 wing with a glass of wine and a couple of chicks while telling the SDGT-ers :"DA is that way chief". :cheers:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FBKampfer on August 25, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
Latroobe, am I allowed to count proxies and technical kills to my level of pwnge? Or do I have to be the one to actually bag them?
I'm currently going for best GV player ever, and my strategy is to take a jeep, make a mad dash through the l33t spawn campers, pinging them with my MG, so that when they go to tower after the camp dies down, I'll be awarded kills.
My thinking is that if I can kill Dr7's Tiger II with a jeep, who the f**k are you to argue with me? But I just wanted to make sure that my kills are valid, and really are a direct metric of how bad-arse I am.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
Latroobe, am I allowed to count proxies and technical kills to my level of pwnge? Or do I have to be the one to actually bag them?
I'm currently going for best GV player ever, and my strategy is to take a jeep, make a mad dash through the l33t spawn campers, pinging them with my MG, so that when they go to tower after the camp dies down, I'll be awarded kills.
My thinking is that if I can kill Dr7's Tiger II with a jeep, who the f**k are you to argue with me? But I just wanted to make sure that my kills are valid, and really are a direct metric of how bad-arse I am.
Proxies or kills from someone else finishing off your opponent absolutely count. However if someone ever manages to damage you to the point where a 2nd enemy finishes you off but the 1st one got the kill you have to make it a point to let everyone know so as to not create any confusion on who owned who. This can usually be done by saying something like "Good shot (enemy #2). Don't know how (enemy #1) got the kill". Doing this let's everyone know that enemy #1 sucks and could not kill you without help even if he completely destroyed you in a 1v1 earlier and is the reason why enemy #2 had such an easy time killing you.
One of the most important things that I'll be going over in more detail in "Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory of Aces High: Volume 2" is that it is only ok for you to do something. Anyone else who does the exact same thing as you is a noob. Anyone who calls you out on this just inform them that what you are doing is completely different even if it's exactly the same.
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: hitech on August 25, 2015, 11:31:06 AM
State of the game issue...some current pilots have arrived to play this game long after the best pilots left or are on very long breaks so claiming uber is way gone. The Grizzs and Batfinks and bighorns of old would fight and pwn turny planes in any plane they flew.
That's a fact.
Just to clarify how I read this, are you saying the best pilots are gone, and there are no longer any "best" pilots? And there are no longer pilots who are as good as the ones who left?
If this is what you are saying, I believe you are looking at things threw tinted lenses.
HiTech
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 11:31:09 AM
Latrobe,
In the context of your OP, please compare and contrast "Official Duals", "Unofficial Duals" and how to compare them on 200 with victories achieved in the MA.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 25, 2015, 11:32:53 AM
In the context of your OP, please compare and contrast "Official Duals", "Unofficial Duals" and how to compare them on 200 with victories achieved in the MA.
Will do Changeup. That will be covered in Volume 2 which should be released sometime late this year or early next year.
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: WWhiskey on August 25, 2015, 11:45:39 AM
I try my best to fly as you've stated with one exception , I fly the P-47,, and while I do lose many fights, I try to make sure my opponent knows how badly they suck if I've killed them with my bomb truck!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 11:49:25 AM
Just to clarify how I read this, are you saying the best pilots are gone, and there are no longer any "best" pilots? And there are no longer pilots who are as good as the ones who left?
If this is what you are saying, I believe you are looking at things threw tinted lenses.
HiTech
No Dale.
I'm simply saying in my experience the best pilots I've flown against are better than the current lot of "best" pilots as judged by KOTH results, comments on 200, BBS, and PMs by a wide margin. It's not even close. I'm not challenging Aces High II's manhood" or what it has to offer. I can only make a personal judgement on what I've experienced. You chose to read excessively into my post by assuming I meant "forever" and that I meant there are no "best pilots" left. Why you would decide to waste your time on my opinion is curious though.
But since you brought it up, I actually think the "good old days" were years prior to my arrival. What do I base that on? The voices and stories of the people that flew then. Not on their skills. Their stories sound like the game was much more fun than how the game plays today.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: caldera on August 25, 2015, 11:50:24 AM
Latroobe, am I allowed to count proxies and technical kills to my level of pwnge? Or do I have to be the one to actually bag them?
I'm currently going for best GV player ever, and my strategy is to take a jeep, make a mad dash through the l33t spawn campers, pinging them with my MG, so that when they go to tower after the camp dies down, I'll be awarded kills.
My thinking is that if I can kill Dr7's Tiger II with a jeep, who the f**k are you to argue with me? But I just wanted to make sure that my kills are valid, and really are a direct metric of how bad-arse I am.
Oh yeah? Well, I am the greatest Storch pilot evarz! A two second long sortie was all that was required for me to get and safely land a kill in my first and only Storch sortie. That's a K/H of 1800! :banana:
ZOMFG ILE PWN AUL U NOOBZ!!!! :ahand
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 11:55:26 AM
Will do Changeup. That will be covered in Volume 2 which should be released sometime late this year or early next year.
:salute
I urge you to reconsider. Killing is the only important thing and therefore it must be defined on the outset if we are to all accomplish lazy FPH status. If we are to be here to simply and lazily kill, you have to define it.
Also, how do we incorporate 16 years of flight sim experience into all of our conversations in order to frighten our opponents? I just don't think these issues can wait.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: TheBug on August 25, 2015, 11:57:40 AM
Your lack of subtleness is damaging the joke.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 25, 2015, 12:13:18 PM
Lmao, you think this thread is subtle? Lol. You calling that out doesn't make it less subtle now does it?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: TheBug on August 25, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Oh my god your making it worse! :bhead
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Aspen on August 25, 2015, 01:28:15 PM
I skimmed a bit and I want in! I'll wait for the audio book version. I just learned how to turn down the track noise in my GV and I will try and learn while I play..I can still GV right?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 25, 2015, 01:30:38 PM
I'm simply saying in my experience the best pilots I've flown against are better than the current lot of "best" pilots as judged by KOTH results, comments on 200, BBS, and PMs by a wide margin. It's not even close. I'm not challenging Aces High II's manhood" or what it has to offer. I can only make a personal judgement on what I've experienced. You chose to read excessively into my post by assuming I meant "forever" and that I meant there are no "best pilots" left. Why you would decide to waste your time on my opinion is curious though.
But since you brought it up, I actually think the "good old days" were years prior to my arrival. What do I base that on? The voices and stories of the people that flew then. Not on their skills. Their stories sound like the game was much more fun than how the game plays today.
While I realize we all have our tinted glasses to our olden days in the game, I think there is some truth in what you are saying. I think there was a time where the game was the catalyst for a lot more things than just winning the map. What the "community" was a different world than it is now
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: darkzking on August 25, 2015, 08:00:57 PM
See Rule #6
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 25, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
According to this logic the better pilots left the game long before grizz and batfink started playing.
HiTech
In my opinion the population of ba dass players peaked around 2002. Seemed like there was one in every sector. Even I was better back then, let that sink in. I was more competetive, abrasive and arrogant back then, hence my old handle. Concerned with dueling ladder standings and all that jive. Then I got medicated and I realised how dumb all that toejam was. Got in shape, got a vasectomy. Now Im laying pipe in fresh fields on a regular basis. I still play aces high once in a while now but I keep it casual.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slade on August 26, 2015, 05:52:42 AM
Flying for score is as legitimate a reason to play this game as any. It can be very competitive to optimize your flying to push the formulas that calculate score to the limit. Cheers to those committed to high scoring! :salute
Equating score to skill at ACM is what causes much of the friction. Latrobe's book is pure brilliance in covering many of the facets of this phenomena.
Its just too much fun to shoot down an LA7 in a P-40 and the like for me to ever fly for score. Especially against those that tout their scores as proof of their ACM abilities. I fly for pure fun and silliness. :rock
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zoney on August 26, 2015, 09:08:07 AM
Flying for score is as legitimate a reason to play this game as any. It can be very competitive to optimize your flying to push the formulas that calculate score to the limit. Cheers to those committed to high scoring! :salute
Equating score to skill at ACM is what causes much of the friction. Latrobe's book is pure brilliance in covering many of the facets of this phenomena.
Its just too much fun to shoot down an LA7 in a P-40 and the like for me to ever fly for score. Especially against those that tout their scores as proof of their ACM abilities. I fly for pure fun and silliness. :rock
My sig
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on August 26, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
I bet you wish you had this one back huh? Not your best work...let me help
Lol not really, I meant it, if I never play AH again I still have the fond memories of that 8-2 whooping you and the Mrs got from the 5 O clock hitter, in glorious HD, lmao.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zimme83 on August 26, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Feels like I have seen this movie before....
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on August 26, 2015, 12:03:54 PM
Yep, I've never seen a group of people that love re runs as much as this one, it's pathetic rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 26, 2015, 12:23:38 PM
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FBKampfer on August 26, 2015, 12:53:35 PM
Let's make this democratic. Who actually cares what Kruel or anyone of the Damned thinks?
According to our own application of SDGT to the situation, they don't know what the hell they're doing! Are we gonna let a bunch of noobs tell us what's what?!?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 26, 2015, 12:58:40 PM
Lol not really, I meant it, if I never play AH again I still have the fond memories of that 8-2 whooping you and the Mrs got from the 5 O clock hitter, in glorious HD, lmao.
When did you beat me 8-2? Lmao
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 26, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Was a great fight (as were the 1v1 duels prior). In fact, I went down early in one of the fights and Kruel beat you both single-handedly.
-=S=-
As I asked, the 5 o'clock hitter never beat me 8-2 alone.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Triton28 on August 26, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
Kruel! How's that transgender surgery working out for ya? Sore on the outside, but feeling better inside I bet. I look forward to seeing you type my name again soon!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: WWhiskey on August 26, 2015, 03:21:32 PM
Kruel! How's that transgender surgery working out for ya? Sore on the outside, but feeling better inside I bet. I look forward to seeing you type my name again soon!
oh,, giggle giggle
Type my name , type my name! Lol :evil:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 26, 2015, 03:24:27 PM
First, I need to issue the usual disclaimers.
1. I am absolutely BAFFLED at the idea of anyone either valuing their (admittedly enjoyable ) AHII time so much or valuing their non-AHII time so little that they could possibly spend so much time in the MA as to wrack up, I don't know, 600-odd kills in a month. That's, admittedly, a values / subjective / opportunity cost of time issue. Hey, have at it.
2. I am, as self-identified in 1., a mere part time stick. I think I have 10 kills this tour for about as many sorties and am doing somewhere around 1:1 (thinking .78 counting the vanishing -denom defeating +1) - which tells you that my talent level is mediocre, at best (gunnery << piloting).
3. I get the desire to win using tactical play. I get the OODA loop. Hell, I play USTA. I can't tell you how many times I've walked away from a match feeling victorious but slightly unclean for harping on an opponent's obvious weakness and learning/improving near nil. That said, it's not the only reason I play. I have a copy of Shaw and have read badboy's dissertation on E-M with great interest.
4. I both get the "Skyyr Issue" and his answer. He vulched me last w/e. He's killed me when I'm on fumes. He's killed me from alt. I honestly don't think I've ever engaged him, in the 5 or 6 times he's killed me, in anything resembling a fight. It's usually more like, "high 190..." <check 6> "BOOM"... Tower. No fun - if that's what you're after. But - he scores. People play for different reasons. That appears to be his, full stop.
All that said, reading Latrobe, a guy I fought all of ONCE - and got owned, but only after realizing, at distance, that he was NOT allowing me to get an advantageous approach (shoulda begged off in my g6 against his Pony - but NOOO...), I was amused, in part due to the butthurt imparted by Skyyr, but also because I love satire and the use of the word "gay" with apparent impunity, but also quizzical: what did he do to you? Was there a battle of the titans of which I am unaware?
I think a Skyyr/Latrobe DA battle is a must to settle the skill question. It will not, however, settle the game question, to which I award grudging, if butthurt respect.
Butthurtedly yours, PJ_GZ - and beware... I may get hot someday and land a lucky shell.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: pembquist on August 26, 2015, 03:30:15 PM
I don't understand, do you only have pain receptors in your buttocks???
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 26, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
1. I am absolutely BAFFLED at the idea of anyone either valuing their (admittedly enjoyable ) AHII time so much or valuing their non-AHII time so little that they could possibly spend so much time in the MA as to wrack up, I don't know, 600-odd kills in a month. That's, admittedly, a values / subjective / opportunity cost of time issue. Hey, have at it.
2. I am, as self-identified in 1., a mere part time stick. I think I have 10 kills this tour for about as many sorties and am doing somewhere around 1:1 (thinking .78 counting the vanishing -denom defeating +1) - which tells you that my talent level is mediocre, at best (gunnery << piloting).
3. I get the desire to win using tactical play. I get the OODA loop. Hell, I play USTA. I can't tell you how many times I've walked away from a match feeling victorious but slightly unclean for harping on an opponent's obvious weakness and learning/improving near nil. That said, it's not the only reason I play. I have a copy of Shaw and have read badboy's dissertation on E-M with great interest.
4. I both get the "Skyyr Issue" and his answer. He vulched me last w/e. He's killed me when I'm on fumes. He's killed me from alt. I honestly don't think I've ever engaged him, in the 5 or 6 times he's killed me, in anything resembling a fight. It's usually more like, "high 190..." <check 6> "BOOM"... Tower. No fun - if that's what you're after. But - he scores. People play for different reasons. That appears to be his, full stop.
All that said, reading Latrobe, a guy I fought all of ONCE - and got owned, but only after realizing, at distance, that he was NOT allowing me to get an advantageous approach (shoulda begged off in my g6 against his Pony - but NOOO...), I was amused, in part due to the butthurt imparted by Skyyr, but also because I love satire and the use of the word "gay" with apparent impunity, but also quizzical: what did he do to you? Was there a battle of the titans of which I am unaware?
I think a Skyyr/Latrobe DA battle is a must to settle the skill question. It will not, however, settle the game question, to which I award grudging, if butthurt respect.
Butthurtedly yours, PJ_GZ - and beware... I may get hot someday and land a lucky shell.
Latrobe beat me in my own plane in the Dueling tournament which I picked in round 5 just because I knew I'd have the chance to win. He never flies F4Us and I beat him in the first F4U duel. Then he comes back around and beats me in round 5 in my own best plane he never flies to win the match. Dude is a straight Haxxor I tell ya. Ohh and then he beat my 109K in a P47N and I had to report him for that because he is a HAcKER!!!!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zimme83 on August 26, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
But still, If u dont fly the Brewster u are nobody.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 26, 2015, 03:51:04 PM
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zeta on August 26, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
Chapter 30......I already did all this........with my career. been retired for 4 years now....when I play AH.......I really don't care...is just passive fun...as evidenced by my score. :)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Delirium on August 26, 2015, 04:28:55 PM
Then I got medicated and I realised how dumb all that toejam was. Got in shape, got a vasectomy. Now Im laying pipe in fresh fields on a regular basis.
:confused: Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory :banana:
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Spikes on August 26, 2015, 04:59:37 PM
How so? I haven't played in like 3 months, yet here you all are complaining about Skyyr still and I think only person to have beat him in a 1v1 duel is Violator, AFAIK? All you can do is poke fun at someone else's approach to the game, still, almost 2 years in after we started playing.
Pathetic.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Bear76 on August 26, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
How so? I haven't played in like 3 months, yet here you all are complaining about Skyyr still and I think only person to have beat him in a 1v1 duel is Violator, AFAIK? All you can do is poke fun at someone else's approach to the game, still, almost 2 years in after we started playing.
Pathetic.
Simply pointing out your previous statement is an accurate description of yourselves.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: 10thmd on August 26, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
The other half still don't realize they're fish :lol
Or find.it funny that since the fishermen can't win they resort to writing books and troll posts lol So they willingly leap on the boat only to be amused for that short time before they die of oxygen deprivation...
It was worth it... (x_x)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Bear76 on August 26, 2015, 07:21:20 PM
Or find.it funny that since the fishermen can't win they resort to writing books and troll posts lol So they willingly leap on the boat only to be amused for that short time before they die of oxygen deprivation...
It was worth it... (x_x)
lol, ok little fish. This is a catch and release. Swim along little guy.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on August 26, 2015, 07:31:46 PM
I can't, I died from oxygen deprivation, remember?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: jeffn on August 26, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
FANTASTIC Latrobe, I don't often check in but this read had me smiling all the way though.
Well done Sir
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 26, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
If only I could SDGT in real life :/
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 26, 2015, 07:56:05 PM
Kruel! How's that transgender surgery working out for ya? Sore on the outside, but feeling better inside I bet. I look forward to seeing you type my name again soon!
:rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Bear76 on August 26, 2015, 07:58:09 PM
How so? I haven't played in like 3 months, yet here you all are complaining about Skyyr still and I think only person to have beat him in a 1v1 duel is Violator, AFAIK? All you can do is poke fun at someone else's approach to the game, still, almost 2 years in after we started playing.
Pathetic.
Our main problem is that you guys seem to think your kills directly correlate to the size of your wangs. And worse, that your e-chubby grants you omnipotence.
AKAK has one of the best KTD ratios in the game, but he is beloved by the community. Why? He doesn't affect any pretensions based on his skills, and is generally a pretty affable guy. See the difference?
How you're treated is a direct result of how your attitude. Grow up and accept it.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2015, 09:34:04 PM
Our main problem is that you guys seem to think your kills directly correlate to the size of your wangs. And worse, that your e-chubby grants you omnipotence.
AKAK has one of the best KTD ratios in the game, but he is beloved by the community. Why? He doesn't affect any pretensions based on his skills, and is generally a pretty affable guy. See the difference?
How you're treated is a direct result of how your attitude. Grow up and accept it.
Small joystick syndrome does seem to come and go in waves. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: kappa on August 26, 2015, 10:48:30 PM
Small joystick syndrome does seem to come and go in waves. :rolleyes:
joystick isn't small.. jus really large hands.. ;p
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Could you guys take your personal quarrels somewhere else and stop hijacking my thread? I am merely trying to spread the word of Dominating your opponents Strategically with a very excellent Gaming Theory. When Aces High 3 goes live we're going to need to teach all the new players that it draws in how to play competitively so we can all easily compare our egos.
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: guncrasher on August 27, 2015, 01:09:06 AM
latrobe to be honest, you really do need a good joystick to pawn your enemy. I have one of the biggest around. the x-55 it is a good heavy solid stick.
I met this girl last week and I was telling her about the game and she got interested. when she saw the joystick she liked it. she asked me if she could try it, so I let her sit on my chair and play with it. I showed her how to maneuver around the drones in offline mode and pretty soon she got the hang of it. she said it was fun when she got to shoot.
next week when I work mornings she wants to come for fso and really see me in action. heck I may even let her play with it again during fso.
she kinds of likes my idea of just drop from high above in a controlled dive, go in, fire right away and get out before they even know you are there.
semp
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 27, 2015, 01:15:51 AM
Aye, the bigger the stick the better. :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: BaldEagl on August 27, 2015, 01:18:55 AM
I have a joy stick. :banana:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: NatCigg on August 27, 2015, 03:41:32 AM
This entire thread can be summed up by one picture...
:airplane:
or is it
:joystick:
yeah, yeah
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Debrody on August 27, 2015, 04:36:00 AM
Latrobe wins! Had a good fun 30 mins reading this thread :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: jimbo71 on August 27, 2015, 10:45:19 AM
Our main problem is that you guys seem to think your kills directly correlate to the size of your wangs. And worse, that your e-chubby grants you omnipotence.
AKAK has one of the best KTD ratios in the game, but he is beloved by the community. Why? He doesn't affect any pretensions based on his skills, and is generally a pretty affable guy. See the difference?
How you're treated is a direct result of how your attitude. Grow up and accept it.
Yes, I see the difference, my point is that you guys keep trying the same approach, lol, the people that ignore Skyyr or simply don't complain when killed by him, he usually never says anything to.
The guys that get riled up, make a scene, make accusations of hax, those are the guys we like to make fun of, and continue to do so simply because it's hilarious.
The guys that get over the fact is a game and simply ask the question of maybe how he did something (unless you are already in category above) we usually befriend those people. I've seen Skyyr spend hours with people he hardly knows practicing, learning and teaching in the DA..but those people had the same thing in common.
They realized they got outflown and instead of crying about it like little girls(tears are delicious) they wanted to get better..
Lol I've said it before, people should try the ignore function, I think it will work miracles for both parties involved.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: hitech on August 27, 2015, 11:16:55 AM
Why do people believe this thread has anything to do with skyyr?
HiTech
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 27, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Why do people believe this thread has anything to do with skyyr?
HiTech
Great point! Please, let Latrobe continue his thread about SDGT. After all, there are many, many victims of it who probably just realized what pwned them due to this outstanding post.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 27, 2015, 11:19:46 AM
How so? I haven't played in like 3 months, yet here you all are complaining about Skyyr still and I think only person to have beat him in a 1v1 duel is Violator, AFAIK? All you can do is poke fun at someone else's approach to the game, still, almost 2 years in after we started playing.
Pathetic.
Bolded part: You would be wrong... And I bet that video won't show up on you tube..
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Scca on August 27, 2015, 03:35:39 PM
Bolded part: You would be wrong... And I bet that video won't show up on you tube..
Really? Because if you're referring to my duels with Raven, I did win those. In fact, I won every fight set except for when we flew F6F's (a plane I don't fly at all). Would you still like me to post them? :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: hitech on August 27, 2015, 04:07:31 PM
Current status.
In the boat OTW to be flayed.
HiTech
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: katanaso on August 27, 2015, 04:18:56 PM
20 years late, but Latrobe should earn honorary status into TopGunz for this one. :lol
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on August 27, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
See rule #2
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 27, 2015, 04:26:48 PM
Whos trolling?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: 10thmd on August 27, 2015, 04:29:14 PM
I see what you did there Hitech :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on August 27, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JOACH1M on August 27, 2015, 04:32:38 PM
Man, in the great ocean of Aces High y'all are just guppies.
:cool:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 27, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
Is anyone having SGDT t shirts made? That could do wonders at the book signings.
Really? Because if you're referring to my duels with Raven, I did win those. In fact, I won every fight set except for when we flew F6F's (a plane I don't fly at all). Would you still like me to post them? :rofl
This isn't the post you're looking for. You don't need to post to Youtube. We can go about our business. Move along.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 27, 2015, 06:03:55 PM
Really? Because if you're referring to my duels with Raven, I did win those. In fact, I won every fight set except for when we flew F6F's (a plane I don't fly at all). Would you still like me to post them? :rofl
Okay, so you have lost to someone besides Violator, and I doubt you would post a fight that you lost. That was all I was saying. Thanks for playing.
As far as posting your fights with raven where an LA beat an F6F in a duel, do what ever floats your boat. Perhaps that video of you clubbing baby seals would be a good one to post too. :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 27, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
Okay, so you have lost to someone besides Violator, and I doubt you would post a fight that you lost. That was all I was saying. Thanks for playing.
As far as posting your fights with raven where an LA beat an F6F in a duel, do what ever floats your boat. Perhaps that video of you clubbing baby seals would be a good one to post too. :aok
You asked for that duel, and then you backed down and volunteered someone else. That someone else got beat 8-6. Squirm all you want, it's not my fault your boy got beat.
Feel free to bring the skill yourself, or ask RaVeN to re-duel with you present - that's fine by me. Regardless, it doesn't change the score. ;)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 27, 2015, 07:40:28 PM
You asked for that duel, and then you backed down and volunteered someone else. That someone else got beat 8-6. Squirm all you want, it's not my fault your boy got beat.
Feel free to bring the skill yourself, or ask RaVeN to re-duel with you present - that's fine by me. Regardless, it doesn't change the score. ;)
Depends on the definition of a duel. I say you had 3 duels. You one two, raven one. Feel free to change the definition to suit your agenda.
Anyway, you're uber, the best. I bow to your awesomeness. (Feel better?)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 27, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
Yes, I see the difference, my point is that you guys keep trying the same approach, lol, the people that ignore Skyyr or simply don't complain when killed by him, he usually never says anything to.
The guys that get riled up, make a scene, make accusations of hax, those are the guys we like to make fun of, and continue to do so simply because it's hilarious.
The guys that get over the fact is a game and simply ask the question of maybe how he did something (unless you are already in category above) we usually befriend those people. I've seen Skyyr spend hours with people he hardly knows practicing, learning and teaching in the DA..but those people had the same thing in common.
They realized they got outflown and instead of crying about it like little girls(tears are delicious) they wanted to get better..
Lol I've said it before, people should try the ignore function, I think it will work miracles for both parties involved.
I feel like you're using the term "out flown" very liberally. I've seen you guys. Skyyr, at least, is a good stick, even if he doesn't like to actually do that pilot shiite. But often it seems to involve disengaging, building insurmountable advantage, and re-engaging, often with friends. And if your forum behavior is anything to go by, stroking each other's egos afterwards.
You guys are very much the 49th FG of air to air combat.
A call of "wow, such skilz" is not unwarranted in that case.
I still do that, despite knowing Skyyr is an objectively better pilot than me. Why? Because he goes for the easy stuff.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 27, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
I feel like you're using the term "out flown" very liberally. I've seen you guys. Skyyr, at least, is a good stick, even if he doesn't like to actually do that pilot shiite. But often it seems to involve disengaging, building insurmountable advantage, and re-engaging, often with friends. And if your forum behavior is anything to go by, stroking each other's egos afterwards.
You guys are very much the 49th FG of air to air combat.
A call of "wow, such skilz" is not unwarranted in that case.
I still do that, despite knowing Skyyr is an objectively better pilot than me. Why? Because he goes for the easy stuff.
Interesting you should say that. Here's a set of fights that had no disengaging, no massive amounts of energy advantages, and lots of turning (my opponent picked all the planes). Oh, and no friends. In fact, I went AFK on the first merge and came back with my opponent having an advantage. You might know the guy I was fighting.
http://bit.ly/1VfJgAr
;)
That's the thing about being outflown - it doesn't matter if it's by a little or a lot, the end result is the same. Therefore, any extra effort is wasted as it yields absolutely the same results. If I don't need to do that "pilot crap" and I can kill you in one pass, why shouldn't I do it? The more time I save on you is more time I can spend on killing the next guy. Time is position, position is energy, energy is airspeed, and airspeed is life.
If you want a 1v1 where you can show off "that pilot crap" (or fail doing it), DA's open. The MA is for killing, the DA is for dueling.
SDGT babaaaaay! Isn't edjamacation great!?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 27, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
It truly is! I just finished my 4 years at the School for Elitists last week. Majored in Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory of course. Minored in Video Editing and YouTube. Here's my diploma to prove it too.
Actually Skyyr, if I remember correctly I won six fights, you won four aside from the lopsided F6-La-7 duels. This makes me the victor. -AKRaven
The LA fights were the original duel that we agreed to. I warned both of you they would be lopsided and offered you the chance to start with more alt and you declined. Now you're stating they don't count because they were lopsided. :rofl
Additionally, we also didn't switch aircraft after each fight (barring the LA fights, as those were pre-agreed), if you want to get specific (loser gets plane choice). You AK's are funny - you ask to duel LA vs F6F and then complain it's lopsided. lol :)
If you want a rematch, let's go - I'll likely be on this weekend. Just state the rules up front - don't try to change them after the fact.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 28, 2015, 08:37:16 AM
It truly is! I just finished my 4 years at the School for Elitists last week. Majored in Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory of course. Minored in Video Editing and YouTube. Here's my diploma to prove it too.
That's nice and all, but, the details are what matter.
Was the school GOON-squad approved? GS-approved schools help generate 76% more tears from vanquished foes.
Did you get your notary public license too? A common mistake is to get the diploma without being a notary public. Being a notary allows you to verify the authenticity of your own videos. Very important for noob pwning. Typically these can be done by simply taking an elective class at the end of your senior year.
Did the school have a proper multi-cultural introduction program? Noobs come in many sizes, nationalities, shapes, and flavors - knowing their culture and being able to identify it correctly helps one choose the correct application of pwnage to dispatch said noobs.
All things to consider when choosing an SDGT school and program.
Regardless, frame that diploma! It shall be the shaping moment of your existence! :salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Scca on August 28, 2015, 08:56:24 AM
You AK's are funny - you ask to duel LA vs F6F and then complain it's lopsided. lol :)
If you're going to bloviate, at least get your facts straight. He wasn't "complaining", he was acknowledging it. It WAS a lopsided victory, on YOUR part. SMH
Grow up dude....
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 28, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
I would get it frames but I keep forgetting to buy one and instead spent all my money on 50 gallons of Ice Cream again. I really gotta remember to put aside some cash for the frame one of these days.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 28, 2015, 08:59:02 AM
If you're going to bloviate, at least get your facts straight. He wasn't "complaining", he was acknowledging it. It WAS a lopsided victory, on YOUR part. SMH
Grow up dude....
I apologize - that's how I read it. A genuine apology if that was the case.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 28, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
I would get it frames but I keep forgetting to buy one and instead spent all my money on 50 gallons of Ice Cream again. I really gotta remember to put aside some cash for the frame one of these days.
Sounds like you should look into some Cazwell Ice Cream.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Tumor on August 28, 2015, 10:30:52 AM
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 28, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
That's nice and all, but, the details are what matter.
Was the school GOON-squad approved? GS-approved schools help generate 76% more tears from vanquished foes.
Did you get your notary public license too? A common mistake is to get the diploma without being a notary public. Being a notary allows you to verify the authenticity of your own videos. Very important for noob pwning. Typically these can be done by simply taking an elective class at the end of your senior year.
Did the school have a proper multi-cultural introduction program? Noobs come in many sizes, nationalities, shapes, and flavors - knowing their culture and being able to identify it correctly helps one choose the correct application of pwnage to dispatch said noobs.
All things to consider when choosing an SDGT school and program.
Regardless, frame that diploma! It shall be the shaping moment of your existence! :salute
I didn't know Hamburger University offered a SDGT program. Did your GI bill take care of the cost?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 28, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
I didn't know Hamburger University offered a SDGT program. Did your GI bill take care of the cost?
No, that was out of pocket cost. I'm saving the GI bill for a master's in psychology so I can better understand the relationship between video games and PTSD in troubled young adults. Whether due to IED's, live fire, or simply a session of Planetside 2 gone horribly wrong, we must assist them!
Well, either that, or underwater basket weaving.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 28, 2015, 03:46:27 PM
No, that was out of pocket cost. I'm saving the GI bill for a master's in psychology so I can better understand the relationship between video games and PTSD in troubled young adults. Whether due to IED's, live fire, or simply a session of Planetside 2 gone horribly wrong, we must assist them!
Let me know how that goes, I'm quite eager to see where your work goes.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: pipz on August 28, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to have a talk with Zackary......
Its good to see OBX trying to sooth the situation as usual. :old:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zimme83 on August 28, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
:rofl Missed the Winston part first time i red it. Got a pic for him.... (http://www.svt.se/cachable_image/1412091702/svts/article2362398.svt/alternates/large/lgjakt-0-jpg)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JunkyII on August 28, 2015, 06:48:42 PM
Just got back to civilization....and I find this beautiful thread. Great read :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: pipz on August 28, 2015, 07:36:08 PM
:rofl Missed the Winston part first time i red it. Got a pic for him.... (http://www.svt.se/cachable_image/1412091702/svts/article2362398.svt/alternates/large/lgjakt-0-jpg)
:rofl :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Lab Rat 3947 on August 28, 2015, 09:13:09 PM
Latrobe, thank you for this thread. :aok :cheers: I'm enjoying the humor. Some of the replies are as entertaining as the deranged drivel that comes from a certain narcistic NY real estate developer with delusions of grandeur. :rofl
P.S. Looking forward to Vol. 2 of SDGT.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on August 28, 2015, 09:20:39 PM
Latrobe, thank you for this thread. :aok :cheers: I'm enjoying the humor. Some of the replies are as entertaining as the deranged drivel that comes from a certain narcistic NY real estate developer with delusions of grandeur. :rofl
P.S. Looking forward to Vol. 2 of SDGT.
Bod Durst?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Meatwad on August 28, 2015, 09:31:33 PM
Will do Changeup. That will be covered in Volume 2 which should be released sometime late this year or early next year.
:salute
Could you please make volume 1 and your upcoming volume 2 in Braille that's the only way I can read it and well that would explain alot of my suckage :joystick: But I digress , Having these volumes in Braille I know it would make me the ace of the skies that I so much want the number one ranking, but I do like the audio book idea also that way I can listen to it while driving my semi down the road.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 29, 2015, 07:37:47 AM
Let me know how that goes, I'm quite eager to see where your work goes.
Well, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and this one speaks volumes.
Speaking of volumes, Volume 1 of my SDGT Book is currently being turned into an audio book! It's being narrated by none other than Morgan Freeman! Volume 2 is also coming along nicely and has also been signed up for an audio book version also with the return of Morgan Freeman to do the narration.
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FLOOB on August 29, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
:rofl Missed the Winston part first time i red it. Got a pic for him.... (http://www.svt.se/cachable_image/1412091702/svts/article2362398.svt/alternates/large/lgjakt-0-jpg)
That's not Winston,that moose has 4 legs and Winston only has 3!!
Hubert often helps Winston home,you can see Hubert carrying Winston on his back!
:salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slash27 on August 30, 2015, 04:15:12 PM
Let me know how that goes, I'm quite eager to see where your work goes.
Glad you caught that too.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 30, 2015, 07:28:09 PM
Trobe,
Are there any economies of SDGT? In other words, are there any equipment or time savings? As purely an example, I was thinking about creating a Value Recognition Report that would show how much longer your TracIR will last given that you never have to look backwards when employing SDGT.
Do you find any other real world savings?
Anyone? Maybe rudder pedal's lasting longer?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 30, 2015, 07:55:51 PM
Are there any economies of SDGT? In other words, are there any equipment or time savings? As purely an example, I was thinking about creating a Value Recognition Report that would show how much longer your TracIR will last given that you never have to look backwards when employing SDGT.
Do you find any other real world savings?
Anyone? Maybe rudder pedal's lasting longer?
Glad you asked! One of the big ones that everyone who employs SDGT (as I do) knows is how to make your throttle last forever. You do this by never touching it, ever! Instead just use your E key to turn your engine off whenever you want to slow down. By never touching your throttle you never wear it out and it'll last forever!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JOACH1M on August 30, 2015, 08:15:28 PM
Glad you asked! One of the big ones that everyone who employs SDGT (as I do) knows is how to make your throttle last forever. You do this by never touching it, ever! Instead just use your E key to turn your engine off whenever you want to slow down. By never touching your throttle you never wear it out and it'll last forever!
gosh farking darnit :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 30, 2015, 08:19:19 PM
Glad you asked! One of the big ones that everyone who employs SDGT (as I do) knows is how to make your throttle last forever. You do this by never touching it, ever! Instead just use your E key to turn your engine off whenever you want to slow down. By never touching your throttle you never wear it out and it'll last forever!
Awesome information! I think an appendix is warranted in volume 2 that should outline the equipment savings with documentation such VRR's. That could really bring the new players into the fold quickly.
Additionally, I've added a request on the Top 10 ideas to improve AH thread. I've requested that AH add a full-time SDGT instructor, 24-7. There currently isn't one on staff. Maybe, if we are lucky, you could see your way clear to train the trainer as it were.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 30, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
Just looking at the last kills/killed by id' over the weekend, somebody might want to ask Icepac his opinion of the efficacy of SDGT. He seems to be winning that one. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 30, 2015, 10:48:42 PM
Just looking at the last kills/killed by id' over the weekend, somebody might want to ask Icepac his opinion of the efficacy of SDGT. He seems to be winning that one. :lipsrsealed:
In case you're wondering, your last kills get assigned to your last killers list when you log out and log back in. I'd tread carefully before dragging in additional parties. ;)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JunkyII on August 31, 2015, 01:29:31 AM
Please continue...this is getting interesting.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 09:12:39 AM
In case you're wondering, your last kills get assigned to your last killers list when you log out and log back in. I'd tread carefully before dragging in additional parties. ;)
The implication of this effect (of which I was unaware) would be clear. I'd still like to hear his opinion, if for no other reason than to stoke drama - something which all things Skyyr appear to do. I'm not sure if it's you or them or the usual effect of taking a bunch of hyper-competitive individuals, pitting them in opposition in any arena, and seeing what results. That's a pretty nice return on 15 bucks a month, excitement-wise.
This last weekend, I think I only saw your tail. But Fess jumped my 109F-4 after we broke off, catching me unaware and on the deck. Nonetheless, I'd call it a good w/e for me. I had some nice fights. I think it was Ordy who tied to stall fight my g-14 from an N1K2. He ended up eating a 20 mil after the reversal. Lizard and I had some nice g-14 on 38 fights.
One thing I've learned here recently - and it's fundamental but, as I note, I'm very part-time with this game, is to try to never let the g-14 get mushy when in proximity to enemy, exceptions being at the peak of a vertical maneuver that was very much required for survival. The g-14 gets mushy below about 230 TAS. Below that, it's toast for anyone with relatively decent gunnery skills and an energy advantage. Above that, especially around 300, I can turn into any attack, worst case, even one from above, reverse vertically, then build airspeed at the incremental alt in time for the next pass, if the alt grab was brief enough. It really is a good machine in terms of quick energy income.
I've never got what you guys do - this BnZ stuff - but probably need to learn it, if for no other reason that those inevitable FSO's in which I get stuck with some detestable POS like the Jug. It seems to me that, in order to make that work, you need to be very good at lead shots. My temptation with the D-9 was always to saddle up; a sure way to get killed.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2015, 09:44:11 AM
The 109s do fight very well at low speeds. It's just an art you have to learn from expereince and dueling a lot. The plane is one of the most capable medium difficulty planes to defend in. It's just a tough plane because you have to be aggressive and you cannot fly it BnZ style like a 190D or P51. The key in 109s is not to saddle your opponents but kill them on quick snap shots and setting up positions for quick shots when the plane is slow and crossing closely infront of you. You don't really aim it the same way you do with BnZ style planes.
The BnZ styles planes are meant to saddle apponets from high alts and make lead shooting passes to hurt the enemy. Instead of getting the enemy in slow close positions. The BnZ style often reflects shooting a plane from your 12 to their 6. If the enemy plane turns off, you pull back up and try it again. The BnZ players fail when they get too slow in a roll to try to stay on their 6 and end up in the guns of a better defending fighter. The other trick BnZers can use is the rope a dope. But this is risky as other bad guys who are fast and notice you may swoop in for a pick as your are stallking over. That takes some SA and timing experience.
So yes there are different positions you should be attempting to aim with in these planes that utilize different fighting styles effectively. Learning how to peform these styles in a plane like the 109 which is a slash attack aggressive fighter compared to a P47 which is a dive shoot and climb fighter will make your chances of survival lot higher in each plane. Obviously slash attack style is a little more intense and harder to learn, but that is the fun of the game.
The G14s and 109s in general love defensive fightingas to get close crossing shots for quick kills, so you just have to work on defensive style tactics.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 10:48:52 AM
Thanks, V. Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I'd only add, the 109 also ropes well, but it's just because of the stellar climb rate. I too have reservations about this tactic - since it puts a bandit on my low 6 and leaves me mushing at the top, potentially.
But, any port in a storm...
Any words of wisdom on the N1K2? I find it highly enjoyable to fly. My impressions, it's low wingloading and heavy firepower make it nimble in any kind of turn fight. It accelerates better than I expect for something so light on its wings. The only thing it seems to lack is a high top end.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Shrike on August 31, 2015, 10:56:25 AM
Awesome information! I think an appendix is warranted in volume 2 that should outline the equipment savings with documentation such VRR's. That could really bring the new players into the fold quickly.
Additionally, I've added a request on the Top 10 ideas to improve AH thread. I've requested that AH add a full-time SDGT instructor, 24-7. There currently isn't one on staff. Maybe, if we are lucky, you could see your way clear to train the trainer as it were.
I feel like things should be evened out and that someone should draft a doctrine to defeat the said SDGT doctrine :).
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2015, 10:57:43 AM
The implication of this effect (of which I was unaware) would be clear. I'd still like to hear his opinion...
You're welcome to ask him for it. Since you've brought it up, I also streamed the duel on Twitch and on YouTube.
Here's the Twitch stream exported (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM0F3BgDMl0):
That said, I'm not sure why you're bringing icepac into this. If you were curious, you could have PM'd me. I duel a lot of players (20-30 in the last few months) and it's actually rare for me to post the duels, as many of them end on amicable terms, as did this one.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Someguy63 on August 31, 2015, 11:03:12 AM
Thanks, V. Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I'd only add, the 109 also ropes well, but it's just because of the stellar climb rate. I too have reservations about this tactic - since it puts a bandit on my low 6 and leaves me mushing at the top, potentially.
But, any port in a storm...
Any words of wisdom on the N1K2? I find it highly enjoyable to fly. My impressions, it's low wingloading and heavy firepower make it nimble in any kind of turn fight. It accelerates better than I expect for something so light on its wings. The only thing it seems to lack is a high top end.
I'd ask 2cmex about the N1K
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: LilMak on August 31, 2015, 11:44:05 AM
" a P47 which is a dive shoot and climb fighter" Crap. I've been flying it wrong. No wonder I suck so bad.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2015, 11:47:29 AM
Thanks, V. Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I'd only add, the 109 also ropes well, but it's just because of the stellar climb rate. I too have reservations about this tactic - since it puts a bandit on my low 6 and leaves me mushing at the top, potentially.
But, any port in a storm...
Any words of wisdom on the N1K2? I find it highly enjoyable to fly. My impressions, it's low wingloading and heavy firepower make it nimble in any kind of turn fight. It accelerates better than I expect for something so light on its wings. The only thing it seems to lack is a high top end.
Yes the 109s do rope very well, but that is all about timing and knowing your opponents E state so that you can roll over at the right time to avoid a HO. Roping is all about timing and having just enough E. Also the spiral rope climb is the method I use, instead of going straight up, which cuts the angle off for the plane on your 6 and makes them use more angle to get a shot, which makes them go slower. The Spiral rope climb also helps against planes that attempt to pick you during the rope because you are more horizontal rather than vertical and its easier to get the nose over. It takes some experience to be able to time the E states correctly and perform a spiral rope climb against a plane that is lower with lower E than you, but it is highly effective when the maneuver works right.
The Nik is a plane that takes a lot of defensive skills to be really good in. While it is a very balanced and easy plane to control, it is very slow. This limits the capabilities of the aircraft and makes it harder for people to be successful and land lots of kills with it. It is easy to get ganged in because it cant out run a crowd.
The key to being good in the Nik is to fly it about 12k. This way you can have some alt advantage while also some room to dive if you have to escape a BnZer. The goal in the Nik is to basically jump in and out of a fight from an alt advantage and gain the alt ASAP after you make your first attack. Too many people stick around inside the furball and it makes the nik easy to gang. Notice how 2cmex is very good at defending against planes on his 6, gets them to overshoot, and then pops them with those nasty cannons. This is how to be a successful defensive pilot in slower planes. Before you know it, you can take on 2-4 planes at one time. The hardest part about the nik is that you wont be able to run from trouble, so you have to learn defensive maneuvers. It is a great plane to sharpen those skills. You always have to to try to stay above the fight in a Nik because it is so slow. This plane is really not the plane to use if you are a fast BnZ type fighter because well, you wont be able to zoom away lol. The key is to take the time to be patient to climb to higher alts. The planes is great defensively if you can get 10k over your own base during a defensive attack. The plane also works great against attacking a base with a lot of low cons. Its weakness is fighting 190Ds, P51s, and So on at 11+K and trying to furball with those planes. They will just HO, and BnZ you and dive away when you roll around on their 6. You have to be quick in the low furballs, constantly watch your 6, and use the plane in the correct situation, IE. Get high over base you are defending, dive on the JaBos and bombers approaching the base. Or get high over a base you are attacking and pick off all the low furballers.
The Nik really is a great plane to learn if you want to sharpen your ACM maneuvering skills. It has a great straight up vert that destroys most planes, It has great guns to destroy planes quickly, and it is very easy to control and perform maneuvers in. It will make a you a better pilot to learn to fly it because it will help you develop defensive skills.
So Stay high about 12k, make sure you can get some E and try not to end up on the deck going 220 at the base you are attacking. Its all about SA because you have to avoid the Fast BnZers while also jumping in and getting some kills yourself.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2015, 11:49:38 AM
" a P47 which is a dive shoot and climb fighter" Crap. I've been flying it wrong. No wonder I suck so bad.
Heh, I mean the p47N, M, 11 can give some planes a run for their money in a 1v1 slow duel especially the N model, but you really have to know what you are doing to be very successful out maneuvering better turning planes, plus once you get low n slow with it, unlike the 109, the p47 is terrible at defending low n slow on the deck.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: LilMak on August 31, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
Heh, I mean the p47N, M, 11 can give some planes a run for their money in a 1v1 slow duel especially the N model, but you really have to know what you are doing to be very successful out maneuvering better turning planes, plus once you get low n slow with it, unlike the 109, the p47 is terrible at defending low n slow on the deck.
Crap! Not supposed to be low and slow either?!???!! That explains a lot.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
That said, I'm not sure why you're bringing icepac into this.
I was quite explicit in giving you a reason when I wrote: "if for no other reason than to stoke some drama."
Of course I could've PM'd you, but these Damned vs. Whomever threads seem to titillate lots of people. I'm just seeking to add entertainment value. This is all good, especially if it puts more butts in the cockpits. I refuse to make a pronouncement on whether you're the hero or villain, since this is a game, albeit an immersive and educational one.
As is, thank you for the film. I'll take a look. Your aim looks, first blush, to be enviable (wrote the guy who hits on <2% of his rounds). You had a sort of high front quartering angle there, when you caught him on the first burst. At speed, his path is a bit more predictable than in these low-speed knife fights. It's the asymmetrical situation (low-speed target, high speed pass by the attacker) that vexes my aim consistently.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
And Glz ups the ante - but I think you might mean unsociable, so you could be clearer.
As for the pronouncement inspiring the neener, I get that. I have, after all, called this forum the Temple of High Self-Regard. Besides, I'd guess the average here is about a 50 -year-old affluent male with very definite opinions about everything, any time not spent playing AH being spent in any number of other curmudgeonly pursuits, one of which is, no doubt, yelling at a very large display to shame some epithet of choice on TV. I'm there.
That said, just because I get it, that don't make it so. Let's be more accurate: there is an icon and an iconoclast, and there might just be more similarity than diff between the two, ultimately, given that they both prescribe a path.
Right now, I'm longing for the days when Vrac was part of The Damned. Oh the drama... That was entertainment. Deb's ref to the Candy Van still makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2015, 01:44:53 PM
Crap! Not supposed to be low and slow either?!???!! That explains a lot.
No place better in a cartoon plane then low and slow turning on the deck. The beauty of it is you get to test your cartoon flying skills and even if you lose, more often than not the fight was fun.
And even better you don't really die and you get a brand new plane!
What could be better than that? :aok
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Aspen on August 31, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
No place better in a cartoon plane then low and slow turning on the deck. The beauty of it is you get to test your cartoon flying skills and even if you lose, more often than not the fight was fun.
And even better you don't really die and you get a brand new plane!
What could be better than that? :aok
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
Get with the program Guppy. Words like "low", "slow", "turn" and "fun" are out. You need some strategery domino learnin'.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slade on August 31, 2015, 04:12:57 PM
Question for the SDGT experts please. I have such high hopes of making the grade one day.
Can I achieve SDGT using a P-40 or other similar non-perk plane?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 31, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
Question for the SDGT experts please. I have such high hopes of making the grade one day.
Can I achieve SDGT using a P-40 or other similar non-perk plane?
No, P-40's are too slow to use the SDGT that I laid out in my book. However, the real experts of SDGT are known to pull off a very rare and insanely skilled shot where they killshoot themselves on a wingman while trying to pick a P-40. I've only seen this feat achieved once before and I was blown away at the skill and finesse of the pilot! It nearly brought me to tears.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Debrody on August 31, 2015, 04:53:33 PM
No, P-40's are too slow to use the SDGT that I laid out in my book. However, the real experts of SDGT are known to pull off a very rare and insanely skilled shot where they killshoot themselves on a wingman while trying to pick a P-40. I've only seen this feat achieved once before and I was blown away at the skill and finesse of the pilot! It nearly brought me to tears.
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 05:15:07 PM
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
Get with the program Guppy. Words like "low", "slow", "turn" and "fun" are out. You need some strategery domino learnin'.
Damn, you are one fine malt liquor picker.
He's right Gup. Why fly junk when you can pick up some gleaming new glistener of a perk ride? Here I was, enjoying the process of learning an authentic and challenging, albeit late war, aircraft, occasionally flying stuff like the 39q or the c202/205 to augment my trusted g-14, attempting to learn to feel my ride and keep it at optimal turn rate velocity without having to check the guage, learning new ACM by trial and flaming error.
Sarcasm detected, it's like George Harrison once sang: it's what you value. But, that said, to the winner goes the spoils... What are they, again?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Zoney on August 31, 2015, 05:17:46 PM
Correct me if I am mistaken please, but I do not believe the subject of "Rearming" has been properly addressed.
I therefore submit for your use the following insert:
Re-Arming: Re-Arming should be used whenever possible. It is preferred to Re-Arm at a base far enough from the action that the act of Re-Arming not be detected by any fellow countrymen. Re-Arming should always be used which will show all lowly non SDGT adherents that you of the SDGT exalted has what it takes to kill many many opponents in a single sortie, hence the need to Re-Arm at a base not within observation of your fellows. Upon completion of your sortie, when the message goes out that you have landed 20 Kills, do not waiver in your answer to the question of "How many times did you Re=Arm?". The answer is "None". The answer always is none. Should someone you killed four and a half hours ago comment as such, "But you killed me 4 and a half hours ago and your score shows that I'm your second to the last kill on your 20 kill sortie", remember to fall back on the tried and tested two part rebuttal "Deride & Deny". Cast aspersions upon their moral turpitude and suggest that their ancestors were unfit. Then deny that it was four an a half hours ago placing a derision at the end of the denial such as, "It was 10 minutes ago you Moron, didn't your Mom teach you how to tell time ?". Discontinuation of Re-Arming should only occur if your aircraft takes too much damage to be airworthy or if your significant other should yell something like: "Damnit! You've been sitting at that GD computer for 12 hours straight and haven't done a thing all day. Come and eat your dinner or I'm going to throw it away".
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Skyyr on August 31, 2015, 05:33:02 PM
Comeon Debrody, are you not considering my dissertation on Re-Arming for inclusion on your fine treatise?
My apologies, Zoney, totally went out of my mind. I do promise that i will be aware of it next time... this last semester drains my energy. (Exuses... always the exuses, i know... be patient with me, mate)
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Debrody on August 31, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
One more thought, if you let me...
"growing your e-stick also grows the real one"
Absolutely no idea why theese brainfarts are flashing into my mind, my apologies.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 31, 2015, 07:17:02 PM
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
Get with the program Guppy. Words like "low", "slow", "turn" and "fun" are out. You need some strategery domino learnin'.
I'd like to apologize for not understanding this. I guess I'm proof that it's hard to teach an old 38G driver new tricks. I'm going to go back and read Latrobe's book again in the hopes in catches this time.
I suppose this means I need to change planes too doesn't it...... :(
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on August 31, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
I'd like to apologize for not understanding this. I guess I'm proof that it's hard to teach an old 38G driver new tricks. I'm going to go back and read Latrobe's book again in the hopes in catches this time.
I suppose this means I need to change planes too doesn't it...... :(
When I used to be Aspen in game, we had some great 38 vs 109g2 fights on the deck. I thought it was a blast but now it's clear I was basing that on the smile and adrenaline rush and not applying SDGT.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 31, 2015, 08:36:48 PM
When I used to be Aspen in game, we had some great 38 vs 109g2 fights on the deck. I thought it was a blast but now it's clear I was basing that on the smile and adrenaline rush and not applying SDGT.
For future reference, should I run into you up high while flying my uber fast plane, how should I react?
As I understand SDGT, I believe I should run away as fast as possible while looking for easier targets below. Is this correct?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 08:55:41 PM
I'd like to apologize for not understanding this. I guess I'm proof that it's hard to teach an old 38G driver new tricks. I'm going to go back and read Latrobe's book again in the hopes in catches this time.
I suppose this means I need to change planes too doesn't it...... :(
Watch my SGDT, noobs, and see a master of both SDGT and rhetoric at work...
A 38G? Surely you're kidding. No offense, uh, "Guppy" (if that's what you choose to call yourself), but most thinking people abandoned that ride some time ago. Perhaps you have more than the normal (2.8% for most Euro ethnicities, less elsewhere) share of neanderthal DNA, possibly mental challenges in the heredity. Still, it's a pity. Surely you could learn from the best practices laid out in my current publication, "The Shiftless Man's Way to Piss People Off for no Discernible Return".
I mean, I like to reach out and help you little people now and again. Tell me now, why did you choose a ride that is roughly equivalent to self-identifying as a lobotomy case? If you'll come fly in my Booster's Club, assuming you can make the cut, you'll enjoy any number of skill-enhancing, probably mind-numbing, activities. Here are some examples:
1. Riding Shotgun - Stand by at 20k, just in case one of the baby seals fights back. 2. Follow the Leader - stay tight on my wing and watch me kill stuff. Don't worry about check six this or SA that. That's just loser talk. 3. Intercepting the Throbber - somebody's got a bead on me! Can you stop the 20's? 4. DeQuilling the Porcupine - Acky fields really kill my vulch buzz. You need to do something about that. 5. Leading with the Chin - somebody has to fly low and slow to light up the wirbels. Tracers point both ways.
... and so much more (some of which actually don't involve eating shrapnel to cover my butt and elevate my score). If you think you qualify, if you have the stones, you can come fly for me, but leave your training wheels - and that scrap tin - behind.
Okay, so that's all sarcastic and not actually pointed at anyone. Here's a little story for your enjoyment:
I have this friend. Let's call him Mark because that's his name. He used to play USTA for me. That's tennis, to people unfamiliar with the USTA; a thing known as an individual sport, thus something to which I'm attracted (more like a circus, less like an army, sort of like Jasta 11).
In any case, we were at playoffs one year, fighting hard to try to get through to the State Championship. Understand, this is adult tennis. Yes, you've got a shot at title, but, beyond that, there is nothing on the line. Mark knew this. I had slated him to play 2 singles, right behind me. I encouraged him to go out there and win it. I knew his opponent and knew he'd have a tough match. I stressed the importance of the court and match to our playoff hopes. Mark took me aside and said, "you know, PJ, in a couple of years, nobody will remember who won or lost this court - but they will remember who was an a**hole."
I contemplated the merit of his statement and replied, "you know, you're probably right, Mark."
That happened in something like 2006. I carry Mark's statement with me to this day - right alongside my memory of Adrian Paich handing him his a** in straight sets, neatly torpedoing our hopes for advance.
What does it mean? Not a lot. Mark was dealing with a false dichotomy and possibly letting himself off the hook. OTOH, I've seen guys who win and act like children in the process - and it's pretty memorable. If you've got a good sense of yourself, you can choose who you want to be in this life. If you base your actions on a bunch of knee-jerk if-thens, volitional conduct may be sacrificed.
Finally, consider Zack. Does he give any discernible rip about other's opinions of his quirky habits; constant de-pilling, spleen flensing, the cuke and pork cutlet facials - and let's not forget the endless stream of cravats? No sir... not at all. Does he care that the LR3 is widely reputed to be a girl's car, only useful for trips to the mall? Hardly.
I write him when I need dog-fettling advice. Most fettlers will maintain a pretense, and it shows. But not Zack. His fettling is of unsurpassed purity, as are the pies.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 31, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Tennis isn't actually a sport though. It's an activity.
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Post by: glzsqd on August 31, 2015, 09:43:46 PM
I love this thread!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on August 31, 2015, 09:51:19 PM
Tennis isn't actually a sport though. It's an activity.
If I follow your line of thought, you're saying that it's not an individual sport but rather an individual activity, an individual activity that requires the use of balls and a sort of stick?
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 31, 2015, 09:54:20 PM
If I follow your line of thought, you're saying that it's not an individual sport but rather an individual activity, an individual activity that requires the use of balls and a sort of stick?
If that's the case then an SDGT type player could not play tennis as he has no balls and his stick is too small :bolt:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 31, 2015, 09:59:05 PM
If I follow your line of thought, you're saying that it's not an individual sport but rather an individual activity, an individual activity that requires the use of balls and a sort of stick?
The balls that are used don't really count. They have fur on them and you can get hit in the head with it and you don't get killed. The sticks, well, they aren't really sticks. They're a fiberglass egg-shaped hole with a large amount of webbing that makes it easy to hit the furry, hollow, spongy yellow ball.
The uniforms...well, gosh. They're not awesome unless girls only play.
This ranks just above women's kickball as an activity. Cheers.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on August 31, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
The balls that are used don't really count. They have fur on them and you can get hit in the head with it and you don't get killed. The sticks, well, they aren't really sticks. They're a fiberglass egg-shaped hole with a large amount of webbing that makes it easy to hit the furry, hollow, spongy yellow ball.
The uniforms...well, gosh. They're not awesome unless girls only play.
This ranks just above women's kickball as an activity. Cheers.
:rofl
stop guys you are killin me :rofl
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Guppy35 on August 31, 2015, 10:07:57 PM
The balls that are used don't really count. They have fur on them and you can get hit in the head with it and you don't get killed. The sticks, well, they aren't really sticks. They're a fiberglass egg-shaped hole with a large amount of webbing that makes it easy to hit the furry, hollow, spongy yellow ball.
The uniforms...well, gosh. They're not awesome unless girls only play.
This ranks just above women's kickball as an activity. Cheers.
Ah, yes, you're the college pitcher. 90 mph? You know Roddick put a serve in the box at 155, right? and nobody uses fiberglass since about 1980. Even a 4.0 can hit 70-80 on a routine forehand -and you've got to run to get it, ball after ball.
I'll give you this: I got beaned a few times in junior high. You could get hurt with one of those damn hard balls. A pitcher's precision can be zen-like, if he's good. I assume you had a good Changeup.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Lab Rat 3947 on August 31, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
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So there would be no chance that an SDGT player's balls would ever drop?
don't you have to have them before you can drop them :headscratch:
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Bear76 on September 01, 2015, 12:40:25 AM
Ah, yes, you're the college pitcher. 90 mph? You know Roddick put a serve in the box at 155, right? and nobody uses fiberglass since about 1980. Even a 4.0 can hit 70-80 on a routine forehand -and you've got to run to get it, ball after ball.
I'll give you this: I got beaned a few times in junior high. You could get hurt with one of those damn hard balls. A pitcher's precision can be zen-like, if he's good. I assume you had a good Changeup.
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Slade on September 01, 2015, 05:17:17 AM
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Re-Arming should always be used which will show all lowly non SDGT adherents that you of the SDGT exalted has what it takes to kill many many opponents in a single sortie,
I think it is common knowledge that elite SDGT and rearming are bound together inextricably. You cannot have an elite SDGT without using rearming to redefine what a "sortie" is.
EDIT: In RL WWII were kills from multiple times a plane upped/landed/rearmed/re-upped considered multiple sorties (each time they re-upped) or were all the days kills in this manner considered just one sortie? Maybe I dont understand what a "sortie" is. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 08:44:04 AM
Ah, yes, you're the college pitcher. 90 mph? You know Roddick put a serve in the box at 155, right? and nobody uses fiberglass since about 1980. Even a 4.0 can hit 70-80 on a routine forehand -and you've got to run to get it, ball after ball.
I'll give you this: I got beaned a few times in junior high. You could get hurt with one of those damn hard balls. A pitcher's precision can be zen-like, if he's good. I assume you had a good Changeup.
You rather get hit in the back of the head with Roddicks 155 than my 90, that much we know is true. See? If it were a sport and not an activity, everyone would know fiberglass went away. 80-90 forehands? Shortstops throw 85-90 across the diamond to make a play and sometimes they throw flyers...again, the 80-90 mph hollow fur-ball isn't a problem. Getting hit in the head by a laserbeam the SS throws? That's a problem.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 01, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
You rather get hit in the back of the head with Roddicks 155 than my 90, that much we know is true. See? If it were a sport and not an activity, everyone would know fiberglass went away. 80-90 forehands? Shortstops throw 85-90 across the diamond to make a play and sometimes they throw flyers...again, the 80-90 mph hollow fur-ball isn't a problem. Getting hit in the head by a laserbeam the SS throws? That's a problem.
I'd rather get hit by a Tom Brady pass, a Shaq slam dunk, or ANY soccer ball than a Monfils forehand (a mere 120). So, by the standard of fearing the ball, indeed, tennis would take a back seat to baseball, but those others are even lower on the sport/activity totem pole. Where do motor sports (good possibility of injury, but no balls involved) or sports like track and field stuff (no balls, less likelihood of injury) fit in there?
Batters helmets: unfair advantage for the hitter... he shouldn't be stepping in there unless he's hanging it out there?
Hockey: still a sport, because that puck can be a real motherf*&^%$, even though it's not a sphere.
SDGT: the pitcher should wear a kevlar nut protector and a full face guard and aim at every batter's face, since the batter can't take his base if he's in the hospital and even a designated runner will have to step up to the plate or somewhere in range (maybe you nail him when he takes his lead off) some time or other.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 01, 2015, 09:20:27 AM
I've played both tennis and baseball pretty extensively growing up. I was a damn good pitcher myself. Went to Renz baseball academy, went UGA baseball academy, and really perfected the art of mechanics used to pitch, I should have kept playing, but I hated my highschool coach and teammates full of sweetheartry. I've been hit in the face 3 times, one was a curveball, and it hurts like SOB.
I had started to get into tennis a few years earlier. Then I started really getting competitive with it, joining tournaments, going to camps, and playing on the highschool team.
The biggest decision I had to make was tennis or baseball in highschool as they were in the same season. I had played freshman year baseball and just hated practice and only playing every other game to pitch, so I decided to stick with tennis instead, it was a lot more fun to play, better excersize, and not as strict.
I really should have stuck with baseball because I had no idea how stiff the competition was in Atlanta. It really shocked me on how good some of these kids were, and I considered myself pretty good. It was then I realized just how hard tennis was. I was playing top 50 ranked players in the state who were damn good, but they didn't even compare to the top 50 in the south, and they didnt even compare to the top 50 in the nation, and most of them don't even compare with the top 50 in the world. It's amazing how good you have to be to make it in tennis, and actually live off your winnings. There is no coaching during the match, no teammates to help you, and its running back and forth up and down for hours while being mentally tough to make the right shots and win the match.
So while baseball has the hurt aspect of getting hit by pitches, or getting hit with the ball in general, which Fing sucks! Tennis is a much more physical and mentally draining game than baseball is. Being a pitcher has its mental notes and high pressures don't get me wrong. But tennis on the mental level is a whole different ball game.
So you can say what ever you want. But I'll back it up by saying tennis is much harder physically and mentally than baseball as well as more rewarding as you get all the credit being the only teammember. Winning 4 grand slams like serena is about to do, or winning 17 grandslams or more in mens like federrer has done, pretty much takes way more effort and skills than it does in baseball.
I love both sports respectively. But playing both competively opened my eyes to how physical and mentally draining the sport really is.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on September 01, 2015, 09:22:49 AM
How did we get to the topic of sports? Sports and real life do not matter in SDGT! The only thing that matters in life is your score in a virtual world! :salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Drano on September 01, 2015, 09:25:08 AM
Frikkn derailers!
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Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 01, 2015, 09:31:44 AM
I just added an SGDT addendum above for baseball.
For tennis, I think it'd be more like what Cade Lutz used to share with me. Cade was a former Purdue player with whom I had the pleasure of hitting a few times. He was subject to the burnout that frequently happens. Violator knows (I work for Ford corporate, V - I have no illusions about making it pay, at least for the last few decades). See Nicole Vaidisova for recent high=profile case.
On a changeover, Cade told me, "yeah, this is great - just playing for practice. If this were an NCAA match, I'd be talking under my breath right now about what I did to your mother last night."
You need to get in the opponent's head if you're a real SDGT WINNER!!! and into the whole Totaller Krieg thing. See Nick Kyrgios trash talking Stan Wawrinka's GF for a recent example
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 09:39:11 AM
I'd rather get hit by a Tom Brady pass, a Shaq slam dunk, or ANY soccer ball than a Monfils forehand (a mere 120). So, by the standard of fearing the ball, indeed, tennis would take a back seat to baseball, but those others are even lower on the sport/activity totem pole. Where do motor sports (good possibility of injury, but no balls involved) or sports like track and field stuff (no balls, less likelihood of injury) fit in there?
Batters helmets: unfair advantage for the hitter... he shouldn't be stepping in there unless he's hanging it out there?
Hockey: still a sport, because that puck can be a real motherf*&^%$, even though it's not a sphere.
SDGT: the pitcher should wear a kevlar nut protector and a full face guard and aim at every batter's face, since the batter can't take his base if he's in the hospital and even a designated runner will have to step up to the plate or somewhere in range (maybe you nail him when he takes his lead off) some time or other.
It's not about injury. It's about overcoming fear of physical injury lol. Once you've stood in the box and watched someone throw 90+ inside knowing their control is so-so, or a 6-4, 235 linebacker bearing down on you, or a puck shot at 114 mph and its frozen-hard, you know you're in a sport. Those are a few examples, lol.
Full grown men driving around in a circle is not a sport. They don't even have to master the art of turning right for crying out loud. Bass fishing? Not a sport. Soccer? Not a sport but does qualify as a tribal activity which is one notch above activity. Skydiving? Sport. Curling? Not even an activity. Bowling? No. Cricket? Not a sport. Reason: the activity can last months before an outcome can be achieved. Anytime a player can die of old age before his activity reaches its natural conclusion? Not a sport. Wrestling? Sport. Basketball? Ready to be a sport. Anytime an 18 can go directly to an activity's highest level the activity is suspect.
Anymore questions please PM me and I'll help you
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
So there would be no chance that an SDGT player's balls would ever drop?
No. None.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 01, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
You can't just bail on us, Change... this is far too good.
You'd have to split hunting.
For example, hunting a wild boar with a spear: sport hunting a rabbit with a .22: not even an activity
Motorsport: definite fear of injury that must be overcome... and only in Nascar do they just turn one way.
Soccer: definitely tribal, and there's always the chance of getting cleated or leg-whipped. I took 6 stitches to the chin after sliding, being overrun, and taking a full-stride knee uppercut. That was a pretty good one, albeit just bloody and not life-threatening. The guy who overran me must've been a real SDGT WINNER!!!
BTW, I get this thing about the wild thing on the mound. One of the last imes I got hit was by this big black dude whose control was iffy at best.
And, back on topic, can we now start calling people like, I don't know, ambulance chasers and shady floor traders SDGT WINNERS!!! Maybe the guy who cuts me off in traffic... Instead of flipping him the bird, i'll call him an SDGT WINNER!!!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on September 01, 2015, 10:05:42 AM
And, back on topic, can we now start calling people like, I don't know, ambulance chasers and shady floor traders SDGT WINNERS!!! Maybe the guy who cuts me off in traffic... Instead of flipping him the bird, i'll call him an SDGT WINNER!!!
On a changeover, Cade told me, "yeah, this is great - just playing for practice. If this were an NCAA match, I'd be talking under my breath right now about what I did to your mother last night."
You need to get in the opponent's head if you're a real SDGT WINNER!!! and into the whole Totaller Krieg thing. See Nick Kyrgios trash talking Stan Wawrinka's GF for a recent example
Real Sports men don't do "moms". They have their pick of 20 something's women who are capable of withstanding the physical regimen required. They do "moms" when they retire.
So, this argument is invalid. A person cannot be an intimidating presence at 142 pounds and can be beaten up by their wife or girlfriend.. Any mom-smack they talk is laughable since sports moms raised specimens and are not attracted to skinny-men who have to bow at the beginning of their activity's highest competition.
However, Ray Lewis telling you he will rip your head off of your body and urinate in your wobbly eyesockets is intimidating because he can, if allowed, actually perform the task he threatens. Or, Miguel Cabrera tells you to "throw inside one more time beeeeatch", or Miraslov Satan (shaTAAN) builds up 35mph of speed before he blindsides you....and never talked smack at all.
Yes, tennis is an activity. Lots of running and stuff. Running and hitting soft hollow balls with a giant racket that keeps getting bigger with bouncier webbing.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: FBKampfer on September 01, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
But moms can be haaaaawwwwt!!
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 01, 2015, 10:28:34 AM
SDGT would say to do all of 'em - because somebody usually thinks even a smurfy girl is hawt.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
SDGT would say to do all of 'em - because somebody usually thinks even a smurfy girl is hawt.
Wrong.
SDGT says do them all if, and only if, they fall on their backs with their legs in the air. Anything else requires too much effort.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 01, 2015, 11:43:05 AM
That - and the 90 mph fastball - are why I give you some deference.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 12:03:21 PM
BTW,
I offer each of you this challenge.
The person who claims to use SDGT in this game has perfected a style. It may not be your style but he has perfected it nonetheless. He's beaten me and lots of others with that style. The challenge is this:
Get better at that style while maintaining your style and beat him. Otherwise, all this "fun" we're having just looks more and more like sore losing. You know I'm right. You can claim it's not fun or not a worthwhile endeavor to learn that and that's fine but we know those are excuses. I don't care about his engine management or trim tab excellence.
You guys should be filling up his dance card, not watching him dance with your girlfriend...*spit*
*sniff*
Now, whoever wants to dance, be in the DA this Thursday at 11pm CDT and I'll beat your azz. I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Latrobe on September 01, 2015, 12:13:47 PM
The person who claims to use SDGT in this game has perfected a style. It may not be your style but he has perfected it nonetheless. He's beaten me and lots of others with that style. The challenge is this:
Get better at that style while maintaining your style and beat him. Otherwise, all this "fun" we're having just looks more and more like sore losing. You know I'm right. You can claim it's not fun or not a worthwhile endeavor to learn that and that's fine but we know those are excuses. I don't care about his engine management or trim tab excellence.
You guys should be filling up his dance card, not watching him dance with your girlfriend...*spit*
*sniff*
Now, whoever wants to dance, be in the DA this Thursday at 11pm CDT and I'll beat your azz. I'm not kidding.
Already done. I need a new challenge. This one is too easy with my SDGT perfection. :salute
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Wiley on September 01, 2015, 12:14:46 PM
Get better at that style while maintaining your style and beat him. Otherwise, all this "fun" we're having just looks more and more like sore losing. You know I'm right. You can claim it's not fun or not a worthwhile endeavor to learn that and that's fine but we know those are excuses. I don't care about his engine management or trim tab excellence.
I've been scheming on this for some time, and you are approx. 100.0000% right.
His main virtue: easy to spot .
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Kruel on September 01, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
The person who claims to use SDGT in this game has perfected a style. It may not be your style but he has perfected it nonetheless. He's beaten me and lots of others with that style. The challenge is this:
Get better at that style while maintaining your style and beat him. Otherwise, all this "fun" we're having just looks more and more like sore losing. You know I'm right. You can claim it's not fun or not a worthwhile endeavor to learn that and that's fine but we know those are excuses. I don't care about his engine management or trim tab excellence.
You guys should be filling up his dance card, not watching him dance with your girlfriend...*spit*
*sniff*
Now, whoever wants to dance, be in the DA this Thursday at 11pm CDT and I'll beat your azz. I'm not kidding.
Man, if this were only true, I'd totally take everything back and have a whole new level of respect for you.
I think this post is a mirage in the desolate wasteland this thread has become..
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: JimmyC on September 01, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Man, if this were only true, I'd totally take everything back and have a whole new level of respect for you.
I think this post is a mirage in the desolate wasteland this thread has become..
It's real. I never, ever disputed the losses or excused them. I lost and lost badly. It doesn't bother me to admit that and it doesn't bother me to hear it from you guys. But I think you already know that.
The only thing that bothers me is that I don't have the time to practice that style of fighting. I may make time though just to see how long it takes to get there.
Oh, I'll be kicking your donut too so hurry back college boy.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on September 01, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
The person who claims to use SDGT in this game has perfected a style. It may not be your style but he has perfected it nonetheless. He's beaten me and lots of others with that style. The challenge is this:
Get better at that style while maintaining your style and beat him. Otherwise, all this "fun" we're having just looks more and more like sore losing. You know I'm right. You can claim it's not fun or not a worthwhile endeavor to learn that and that's fine but we know those are excuses. I don't care about his engine management or trim tab excellence.
You guys should be filling up his dance card, not watching him dance with your girlfriend...*spit*
*sniff*
Now, whoever wants to dance, be in the DA this Thursday at 11pm CDT and I'll beat your azz. I'm not kidding.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^Doesnt get SDGT^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SMH some people just stay scrub 2 day noobs who get pwned easymode i guess SMH
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Changeup on September 01, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
im sure serenity could take some time off your hands.
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
The sickness is strong in this thread
Smells like a Rosie O'Donnel Bisexual bridal shower
I know cause I worked at one. I was paid to let all the guests eat off of my naked body. Worst $9 bucks an hour I ever made. The things one does to pay subscription :rock
Title: Re: The Strategic Dominance Gaming Theory Book of Aces High
Post by: glzsqd on September 01, 2015, 09:26:49 PM