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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Glasses on January 07, 2006, 12:47:09 PM
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Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
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Er, no.
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Whaaaaaay?
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yes bring em on,,,,but give the GVs stingers.
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Since when did they have stinger missiles in Korea?
I think they would need to put up some efffective ack,although the 88s we have in game right now are as effective as shooting down slower prop planes as they are a 262.(Believe you me I've been shot down a plenty by 88s)
I just think it would add something diffrent to the MA if we had some MiG or sabres streaking by a t 600mph and at 30k. It would give the Hi alt Strat nazis something to think about. That and that plane set would be much more balanced , there is more info about the Korean Era Jets available since there are a couple of samples restored and flying,and some were captured and flown by the US in good flying condition,not captured damaged samples like those that were captured after the end of WW2 in less than desirable conditions, with ground crews that were unfamiliar with the mechanics employed by the Germans.
IMHO it would give the MA something different, and heck it'd be fun just to fly in a Sabre against ww2 planes, that and give use to the people that have been saiving perks for the past couple of years with nothing to use them for, at 500 or 600 a pop if you get shot down well it would detract from the over all perk savings account people have in AH as of right now.
The plane set would be much more balanced since there's nothing about hey this side lost or whatever , actually since Korea was a stalemate that ended right back where both sides started. Neither side suffered too much from quality control issues, because both of the respectives companies that made these aircraft were well away from harms way.
So how about it a MiG-15 and an F-86A. If they're too uber put in the random factor of having a flameout in take off or landing, to limit their use :D
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F86 & Mig 15? How about we do the WW II jets first - there are plenty we don't have yet:
Gloster Meteor G.41 - operational July 44
Lockheed P80 - operational Jan 45
Heinkel He162 - deliveries began in Feb 45, but supply shortages hampered elevation to operational status.
Try those 3 on for size first - even perked, these would be fun to fly, and they shouldn't unbalace the arena TOO much.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by Glasses
Since when did they have stinger missiles in Korea?
Since when did they have Sabers & MIG-15's in World War II?
AH is a WW2 sim last time I checked.
I think we have enough holes in the plane-sets that need filled first before we start looking at Jets.
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When HTC starts adding some jets if they ever do it won't be for a while and the P-80 would be before the F-86 or Mig-15.
http://www.aviation-history.com/lockheed/p80.html
:aok
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Add them too , but add both of those as well albeit at a later time. I do not care Just bring more Jets to AH. and AH isn't a WWII but a Game that recreates ww2 planes in a Ahistorical arena.
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you can complain all you want, but like Jester said they aint gonna do it.
-guns dont kill people, the goverment does
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How many times will people ask for Korea era planes.
Ive lost count around million times...anyone got the latest number?
This is a WW2 flight sim and will stay a WW2 flight sim.
Just to go about other WW2 jets needed to be added all we need is the gloster meteor for people like me that couldnt hit a broadside of a barn with 30mms.
The p80 is too much of a POS to be added.
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I 'm saying it would add somethign different to the MA and it would be nice to spend some perks in something :D
And I'm not complaining I'm just saying there is a fan base to be added it would be great if they would add those :D
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Originally posted by Glasses
Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
Thumbs down on them being in the MA.
Big thumbs up on having a Korea era arena. It would go over rather big I think.:aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Thumbs down on them being in the MA.
Big thumbs up on having a Korea era arena. It would go over rather big I think.:aok
I would agree. AND they could use it as an excuse to add some of the 'too late to play' and 'just missed the war' crowd. Like the Bearcat, or the Skyraider (mmmm, Skyraider *drool*). And then there are mutants like the Twin Mustang that would be too fun not to add. And lets not forget the AC-47, AKA 'Puff the Magic Dragon', with it's side-firing vulcans for all your ground attack needs :D
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But in WW2 they did have the.......................... ............................. .Jeep
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dirty punties
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See Rule #10
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Holy golden oldies Batman!
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Holy golden oldies Batman!
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:eek: Jumpin Jiminez Batman!
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Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
LOL :rofl, both of those will make the 163 and 262 look so bad in the MA.
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Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
i never knew that the Americans and Soviets flew these in WWII :headscratch:
am i missing something?
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oh hai.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=0Fs8gsYKkIk
Ha, this is awesome
1) Bump a thread you started in 2006
2) Give us a messed up link to a Youtube video
3) and that video talks about these jets fighting in Korea, you want them in a WWII game
Win :aok
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Add them too , but add both of those as well albeit at a later time. I do not care Just bring more Jets to AH. and AH isn't a WWII but a Game that recreates ww2 planes in a Ahistorical arena.
^See this.
By that same argument we shouldn't have a WW1 arena/planeset. :aok
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We know now that HTC is willing to expand outside of WWII, so maybe a Korean War arena is not out of the question anymore.
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Since when did they have Sabers & MIG-15's in World War II?
AH is a WW2 sim last time I checked.
I think we have enough holes in the plane-sets that need filled first before we start looking at Jets.
Check again we have a WWI arena. The game is Aces High, not WWII aces high or axis vs allies aces high.
I think we should have a Mig Alley arena too. It would have a few more players I think.
Infidelz.
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Check again we have a WWI arena. The game is Aces High, not WWII aces high or axis vs allies aces high.
I think we should have a Mig Alley arena too. It would attract a few more players I think. Plus think of the tanks we could have.
Infidelz.
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IN
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Ha, this is awesome
1) Bump a thread you started in 2006
2) Give us a messed up link to a Youtube video
3) and that video talks about these jets fighting in Korea, you want them in a WWII game
Win :aok
Air Warrior had Korea, thats why they want it back... Personally if it'd be like the WWI arenas as dogfighting i'd never go WWII again :aok (but seriously i'd probably fly WWII 6 out of 7 days a week)
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Would rather see WWII Ground wars (soldiers, garands, mausers, flame throwers :D) then we would pretty much have a full on war on our hands :x
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Would rather see WWII Ground wars (soldiers, garands, mausers, flame throwers :D) then we would pretty much have a full on war on our hands :x
i'd like to see this too inside of towns and cities etc... It could be a very large expansion for the game
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NO NO NO NO NO
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Oakranger is already practicing his hand to hand combat :).
Semp
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Oakranger is already practicing his hand to hand combat :).
Semp
As he is held down and forced to watch shawks mullet be removed :rofl
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Korean war aircraft? NO
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Rather than adding more late war planes, lets go back to 1939-41. Swordfish anyone!??
;)
Oh ya, and IN!
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NO NO NO NO NO
From the immortal words of Aldo Raine:
“Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!”
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Korean war aircraft? NO
The old Air Warrior game had a Korean War Era dogfight arena... this would bring it back to then. +1 Korea but after WWII is game set match :aok
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From the immortal words of Aldo Raine:
“Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!”
Amazing that even after 4 years some people just can't grasp the idea of World War Two...high school history must have been skipped.
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And after this they will want modern jets and such with auto target locking missiles and on and on yuck. It would just use up resources that would better be spent on filling out all of the missing planes we don't have in WW2 yet. So for me it's a -1
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Korean Arena result = World War i arena result/AvA result.
perdweeb
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Amazing that even after 4 years some people just can't grasp the idea of World War Two...high school history must have been skipped.
Again this is not a WW2 Game , but a game that has WW2 planes,and WW1 planes as well mind you. And the Main Arenas have absolutely nothing to do with historical authenticity.
If you read the first page, its well implied that these planes didn't participate during WW2 as their technology was "borrowed" from Me262s and other German projects after the war refined and improved, etc.
Just make a smaller arena 50 max players all aircraft from WW1 to Korean Era.
Perk the latter heavily, 3 times as much as the 262s. On a trial basis if it doesn't have a commendable amount of participants just scratch it completely.
What do I know I'm sure there are droves of people around the world wanting to participate in an online air war type massive multiplayer game as it has a large market share ,why would anyone want to expand the user base, right? :D
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And the Main Arenas have absolutely nothing to do with historical authenticity.
please explain this further
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please explain this further
don't really think it needs to be explained further as Glasses is correct, the main arenas has nothing to do with historical accuracy. As far as I know, there weren't any countries named Knights, Bishops or Rooks fighting in World War II.
ack-ack
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What do I know I'm sure there are droves of people around the world wanting to participate in an online air war type massive multiplayer game as it has a large market share ,why would anyone want to expand the user base, right? :D
Obviously you don't know much...the overall player base is limited to enthusiasts of different ilks and most who are avid in the WWI and WWII arenas are purists...tossing aircraft from the 50s into the mix goes outside those bounds and it's usually squeakers asking for such nonsense to be introduced without any consideration as to the time, expense and ramifications of such things.
You're wanting a small staff with limited resources to cover the history of flight from Kitty Hawk to Iraq to satisfy some inner need to say "oooh cool"...has nothing to do with consideration for HTC's business model, practices or monetary gain.
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Okay, relevant to the question, how does the MA have "absolutely nothing" to do with historical accuracy? Hasn't HTC strived to maintain a historical plane set within WWII? I'm not saying all fights in the MA are historically accurate but am I wrong in saying the planes in the MA flew in WWII?
This might be getting a little off-topic though because I believe Glasses isn't proposing we have Korean-era jets fly in the MA, right?
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You're wanting a small staff with limited resources to cover the history of flight from Kitty Hawk to Iraq to satisfy some inner need to say "oooh cool"...has nothing to do with consideration for HTC's business model, practices or monetary gain.
You're saying things I have not. I don't care about modern types as it would be contrary to the essence of AH which is essentially high performance aircraft before the introduction of A-A missiles, where it was men maneuvering to get to an advantageous point where they could get a guns kill(basically ) . The Korean Era is in fact,at least for the early part, in the spirit of such fights, encounters, etc. If we went about "oooh cool" then why don't we play using wire frames from 1992.
It takes nothing to ask and consider it for a later time if time is available, just like the 4 WW1 planes we have although the Korean Era Jets would be much more complicated but I'm sure the team can do it, as they have before on other aircraft.
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Okay, relevant to the question, how does the MA have "absolutely nothing" to do with historical accuracy? Hasn't HTC strived to maintain a historical plane set within WWII? I'm not saying all fights in the MA are historically accurate but am I wrong in saying the planes in the MA flew in WWII?
This might be getting a little off-topic though because I believe Glasses isn't proposing we have Korean-era jets fly in the MA, right?
Yes I'm proposing just that but in a segregated arena.
The plane set itself can be considered "accurate" but the engagements, settings, and countries are not. As Ack-Ack has said.
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Yes I'm proposing just that but in a segregated arena.
That's not what you said before.
Just make a smaller arena 50 max players all aircraft from WW1 to Korean Era.
Considering the home page for AH has a big picture of an F4U with the words "Welcome to the Internets Premier WWII Combat Experience"...it is a WW2 game.
Again this is not a WW2 Game , but a game that has WW2 planes,and WW1 planes as well mind you.
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That's not what you said before.
WWII Combat Experience"...it is a WW2 game.
Experience as it is inspired by ww2 using the aircraft of the era not historical WW2 engagements, settings, countries.
You want a WW2 Game play WW2OL. Axis vs Allies the game itself and the in game arena.
Then why would we have a WW1 plane set. Shouldn't it have been just ww2 planes. Strictly, so not ever straying from that.
The good thing about being human is that you can correct yourself and or provide ideas on how to implement it in the first place something I didn't do when the thread was first made waaaaay back when.
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The good thing about being human is that you can correct yourself and or provide ideas on how to implement it in the first place something I didn't do when the thread was first made waaaaay back when.
I noticed...hence the reason I'm jumping on your idea so bad. :lol
I grew up building models of Korean and Vietnam era jets...always thought it would be great to play a combat flight sim with those aircraft in them...so I'm not completely against the idea...but I would rather see a more complete set of WWII era aircraft.
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I noticed...hence the reason I'm jumping on your idea so bad. :lol
I grew up building models of Korean and Vietnam era jets...always thought it would be great to play a combat flight sim with those aircraft in them...so I'm not completely against the idea...but I would rather see a more complete set of WWII era aircraft.
Fair enough.
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NO DAME!!! IT'S WORLD WAR II!!! :furious :furious
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Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
Fail
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Fail
Yes I'm proposing just that but in a segregated arena.
By the way when I originally posted this there was only one Main Arena. Thus why I now consider it would be better to just have one arena like the MA with entire plane set be playable with flexible numbers.
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Would I enjoy flying Korean era jets made by HTC? Definitely.
Would I fly in a Korean arena? Probably much more than I am in the WWI arena now.
Is it the right time for HTC to create them? I don't think so, there is plenty of work that can be done on the WWII MA now. It seems like a never ending job however, given that the game is constantly changing and improving.
Ever? Who knows. Soon? No
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Chuck Norris Roundhouse kick.
>In b4 welcome to 2007<
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Bring them to Aces High release them in the MA and charge 600 perks for both.
Well Yeah but no perks and and only available in a Korean War arena. Heck, even one of my grandsons (6years old) , knows that the F-86 and Mig 15 weren't around in WWII.
All the Best...
Jay
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-1 would have the same amount of people in it as WWI and there are MANY other games out there with these planes
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-1 would have the same amount of people in it as WWI and there are MANY other games out there with these planes
You don't know that really. No, there aren't many games with Korean era Jets right now,most are extremely old.
To the other person read the entire thread second page forward.
"They weren't DOUBLYA DOUBLYA Tweeow" Has been addressed already.
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Ok. 1: This is a WWII arena yes. 2: WWII planes should be added and worked on before WWI or even Korea. 3: Who wouldnt want to go 500 mph in a high G turn trying to get your 30mm cannons to kill a nice lil Mig15 in your F86? 4: I'd even like to see WWI updated before one F86 flies by me... 5: in the end we all want Korea :aok
Well Yeah but no perks and and only available in a Korean War arena. Heck, even one of my grandsons (6years old) , knows that the F-86 and Mig 15 weren't around in WWII.
All the Best...
Jay
you're lucky because one of my friends mixes up the Civil War Era with WWII and even Iraq. Dates, times, people, and events are all there but he thinks Teddy Roosevelt was alive in 1945 and the Russian Revolution was in the 1960s and Vietnam is a country in europe...
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Again this is not a WW2 Game , but a game that has WW2 planes,and WW1 planes as well mind you. And the Main Arenas have absolutely nothing to do with historical authenticity.
If you read the first page, its well implied that these planes didn't participate during WW2 as their technology was "borrowed" from Me262s and other German projects after the war refined and improved, etc.
Just make a smaller arena 50 max players all aircraft from WW1 to Korean Era.
Perk the latter heavily, 3 times as much as the 262s. On a trial basis if it doesn't have a commendable amount of participants just scratch it completely.
What do I know I'm sure there are droves of people around the world wanting to participate in an online air war type massive multiplayer game as it has a large market share ,why would anyone want to expand the user base, right? :D
See this^
Oh and I've been here for more than 4 years,ever since beta :cool:
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And lets not forget the AC-47, AKA 'Puff the Magic Dragon', with it's side-firing vulcans for all your ground attack needs :D
This would be in the Vietnam era arena. The 7.62 miniguns only fired out of the left side. They were not the General Electric M61 Vulcan that fired 20mm
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Get up thar!
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I agree totally, big boost in player base would happen. Having non perked Jet arena would boost player base for the people looking for a sim for jets. Also this would give HTC a chance to change the home page to WWII and Korean Jet War SIM. Big thoughts Slash I like it, it would do very well for HTC no dought.
Thumbs down on them being in the MA.
Big thumbs up on having a Korea era arena. It would go over rather big I think.:aok
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I agree totally, big boost in player base would happen. Having non perked Jet arena would boost player base for the people looking for a sim for jets. Also this would give HTC a chance to change the home page to WWII and Korean Jet War SIM. Big thoughts Slash I like it, it would do very well for HTC no dought.
it would go over rather big for Korea and rather bad for WWII... alert, suction of players out of LWMA imminent... although we'd only be left with the devoted WWII players and base takers and team workers, we'd lose half of primetime to Korea
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it would go over rather big for Korea and rather bad for WWII... alert, suction of players out of LWMA imminent... although we'd only be left with the devoted WWII players and base takers and team workers, we'd lose half of primetime to Korea
I dunno...I'd be willing to bet within the first 30 days it would be like the WWI arenas...with exception that most of the squeaker population would be in it.
That could be a good thing.
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I dunno...I'd be willing to bet within the first 30 days it would be like the WWI arenas...with exception that most of the squeaker population would be in it.
That could be a good thing.
actually i think youre right... it'd turn into a bad version of WWI... least WWI has an honorable ideal to it. The flyers there actually have fun, dont ruin the fun, and i've only had laughs upon laughs in there from just talking to people
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actually i think youre right... it'd turn into a bad version of WWI... least WWI has an honorable ideal to it. The fliers there actually have fun, don't ruin the fun, and I've only had laughs upon laughs in there from just talking to people
Not if there was an exclusive(inclusive ) FFA Arena. It would then merge all eras into one. Same concept of perks but the later era perked heavily ,this gives someone something to strive for besides the 262 , which has been used ad nauseum for the last couple of years. Removing for these the variable perk cost multiplier depending on side numbers, making the penalty for a loss severe. Which would balance the availability and encourage still the use of prop driven aircraft to acquire perks to fly them. With non transferable perks from the LW orange and Blue. IE it would be their own arena with same countries and perk eny values. Add something different, a new layer even to Aces High and playing mode.
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Not if there was an exclusive(inclusive ) FFA Arena. It would then merge all eras into one. Same concept of perks but the later era perked heavily ,this gives someone something to strive for besides the 262 , which has been used ad nauseum for the last couple of years. Removing for these the variable perk cost multiplier depending on side numbers, making the penalty for a loss severe. Which would balance the availability and encourage still the use of prop driven aircraft to acquire perks to fly them. With non transferable perks from the LW orange and Blue. IE it would be their own arena with same countries and perk eny values. Add something different, a new layer even to Aces High and playing mode.
Wouldn't work...regardless of perks or not...a single Korean era jet in the same arena as WWII era would be like sticking a Spit1 in the WWI arena...even the Brewster would be devastating in the WWI arena.
You have to stop thinking on such terms...even the 262 would be no match for the Korean era AC...
Me262
Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28
F-86
Maximum speed: 687 mph at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight
also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h) and 599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots, 1,105 km/h at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.)
Stall speed: 124 mph (power off) (108 kt, 200 km/h)
Range: 1,525 mi, (1,753 NM, 2,454 km)
Service ceiling: 49,600 ft at combat weight (15,100 m)
Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min at sea level (45.72 m/s)
lift-to-drag: 15.1
Thrust/weight: 0.38
Time to altitude: 5.2 min (clean) to 30,000 ft (9,100 m)
P-80
Maximum speed: 600 mph (965 km/h)
Cruise speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)
Range: 1,200 mi (1,930 km)
Service ceiling: 46,000 ft (14,000 m)
Rate of climb: 4,580 ft/min (23.3 m/s) 5.5 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m)
Wing loading: 53 lb/ft² (260 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.43
Lift-to-drag ratio: 17.7
MiG15
Maximum speed: 1,075 km/h (668 mph)
Cruise speed: 840 km/h (520 mph)
Range: 1,200 km, 1,975 km with external tanks (745 mi / 1,225 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,500 m (50,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 50 m/s (9,840 ft/min)
Wing loading: 240.8 kg/m² (49.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.54
MiG17
Maximum speed: 1,144 km/h at 3,000 m (711 mph at 10,000 ft (3,000 m))
Range: 1,080 km, 1,670 km with drop tanks (670 mi / 1,035 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 65 m/s (12,795 ft/min)
Wing loading: 237 kg/m² (48 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.63
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Wouldn't work...regardless of perks or not...a single Korean era jet in the same arena as WWII era would be like sticking a Spit1 in the WWI arena...even the Brewster would be devastating in the WWI arena.
You have to stop thinking on such terms...even the 262 would be no match for the Korean era AC...
Me262
Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28
F-86
Maximum speed: 687 mph at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight
also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h) and 599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots, 1,105 km/h at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.)
Stall speed: 124 mph (power off) (108 kt, 200 km/h)
Range: 1,525 mi, (1,753 NM, 2,454 km)
Service ceiling: 49,600 ft at combat weight (15,100 m)
Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min at sea level (45.72 m/s)
lift-to-drag: 15.1
Thrust/weight: 0.38
Time to altitude: 5.2 min (clean) to 30,000 ft (9,100 m)
P-80
Maximum speed: 600 mph (965 km/h)
Cruise speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)
Range: 1,200 mi (1,930 km)
Service ceiling: 46,000 ft (14,000 m)
Rate of climb: 4,580 ft/min (23.3 m/s) 5.5 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m)
Wing loading: 53 lb/ft² (260 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.43
Lift-to-drag ratio: 17.7
MiG15
Maximum speed: 1,075 km/h (668 mph)
Cruise speed: 840 km/h (520 mph)
Range: 1,200 km, 1,975 km with external tanks (745 mi / 1,225 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,500 m (50,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 50 m/s (9,840 ft/min)
Wing loading: 240.8 kg/m² (49.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.54
MiG17
Maximum speed: 1,144 km/h at 3,000 m (711 mph at 10,000 ft (3,000 m))
Range: 1,080 km, 1,670 km with drop tanks (670 mi / 1,035 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 65 m/s (12,795 ft/min)
Wing loading: 237 kg/m² (48 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.63
Except for the MiG 17 I don't see anything particularly overwhelming about it.
Like I said it could be implemented in a trial basis, then faced out if the formula doesn't work particularly if the Korean era jets are heavily perked like I have said.
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Except for the MiG 17 I don't see anything particularly overwhelming about it.
Like I said it could be implemented in a trial basis, then faced out if the formula doesn't work particularly if the Korean era jets are heavily perked like I have said.
:lol all the Korean War era jets are faster, more powerful, more maneuverable, and fly much longer AND climb much faster AND fly much higher than that big fat Messerschmitt
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:lol all the Korean War era jets are faster, more powerful, more maneuverable, and fly much longer AND climb much faster AND fly much higher than that big fat Messerschmitt
That's different from the 262s being faster than the small slow Ponies, Lightnings, and Jugs how? ; )
Allegedly Piston engined fighters still got a few a-a victories in Korea, so it's not out of question that they could or should.
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That's different from the 262s being faster than the small slow Ponies, Lightnings, and Jugs how? ; )
Allegedly Piston engined fighters still got a few a-a victories in Korea, so it's not out of question that they could or should.
notice what prop planes were used? and in what roles mostly?
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notice what prop planes were used? and in what roles mostly?
Yes ground attack.
Also,considering most of the Post war interceptors were based off of "acquired" data from aerodynamic research that was conducted by the Germans.
Thus why the Sabre borrows the leading edge slat design in the F-86A. Of course this was later discarded as engines became more powerful traded by a larger wing to improve low speed handling.
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Yes ground attack.
Also,considering most of the Post war interceptors were based off of "acquired" data from aerodynamic research that was conducted by the Germans.
Thus why the Sabre borrows the leading edge slat design in the F-86A. Of course this was later discarded as engines became more powerful traded by a larger wing to improve low speed handling.
you just shot your own idea down... This cannot be possible. Yes to Korea, no to combined
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notice what prop planes were used? and in what roles mostly?
the prop planes that were used in korea never saw action in WWII (except for the B-29)
the F4U-4C that was used by the Marines came close, but didnt ship out in time for WWII
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the prop planes that were used in korea never saw action in WWII (except for the B-29)
the F4U-4C that was used by the Marines came close, but didnt ship out in time for WWII
Hmm the p-51d would beg to differ.
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just to throw my 2 cents in, i agree that the WWII jets should all be put in first, but a korean arena probably wouldnt be a bad idea 1 or 2 years down the road. and this game is no longer just a WWII arena, the WWI planes prove that.
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just to throw my 2 cents in, i agree that the WWII jets should all be put in first, but a korean arena probably wouldnt be a bad idea 1 or 2 years down the road. and this game is no longer just a WWII arena, the WWI planes prove that.
What other WWII jet saw real action?
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Hmm the p-51d would beg to differ.
forgot about that :aok
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just to throw my 2 cents in, i agree that the WWII jets should all be put in first, but a korean arena probably wouldnt be a bad idea 1 or 2 years down the road. and this game is no longer just a WWII arena, the WWI planes prove that.
Um the MAs can be anything not exclusive to WW2 aircraft. Thus WW1 and WW2 Arenas,heck I'm not even asking for the whole Korean planeset just the aircraft that were
iconic at the start of hostilities circa 1950.
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What other WWII jet saw real action?
Gloster Meteor .
Was thinking even adding smoke trails for the dirty engines from the early jets.
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What other WWII jet saw real action?
dint the P80 fly in 1945?
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dint the P80 fly in 1945?
Yeah but didn't fire a single shot. It got to Europe but too late to fire at anything.
Though they were like most first gen Jets unreliable. ( See: Bong )
So were the Post War Jets with frequent Flame outs during take off .
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Yeah but didn't fire a single shot. It got to Europe but too late to fire at anything.
Though they were like most first gen Jets unreliable. ( See: Bong )
So were the Post War Jets with frequent Flame outs during take off .
So put those in the MA, just don't give them any bullets. :P
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Yeah but didn't fire a single shot. It got to Europe but too late to fire at anything.
Though they were like most first gen Jets unreliable. ( See: Bong )
So were the Post War Jets with frequent Flame outs during take off .
so the Gloster did fire in anger?
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so the Gloster did fire in anger?
ground targets If I recall.
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ground targets If I recall.
Correct. It attacked German ground positions and installations.
Also V1s, but it seems most people here don't consider that "in anger", though I bet Meteor, Spitfire, Tempest, Mustang and Mosquito pilots tasked with it would disagree.
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Anybody know and on-line jet games with Migs and such aircraft.
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Anybody know and on-line jet games with Migs and such aircraft.
Not much of a market as PvP in modern aircraft isn't nearly as fun. Missiles really take that out of it and guns aren't fun at those speeds.
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Not much of a market as PvP in modern aircraft isn't nearly as fun. Missiles really take that out of it and guns aren't fun at those speeds.
For Modern Jets Probably, Post war Jet combat I beg to differ.
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For Modern Jets Probably, Post war Jet combat I beg to differ.
That isn't as bad, but is still boring as <bleep> due to the high speeds.
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That isn't as bad, but is still boring as <bleep> due to the high speeds.
idk about you but i love the feeling of a 262 duel :aok its unlike no other fight in the game...the adrenaline pumping through my veins kills me afterwards
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For Modern Jets Probably, Post war Jet combat I beg to differ.
I dare you to name one other than flight sim X that is played or playable online PC or console using the Korea war era AC...it's only appeal is an initial "cool factor" until someone comes along with no clue about air to air combat at mach1 + and says, "hey I would like to see a........jet arena". The bandwagon is short lived once the air to air radar and heat seeking missiles at mach2 start coming out...and the Korean war era jets won't be any different...imagine a 700mph HO shot at 30k.
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I dare you to name one other than flight sim X that is played or playable online PC or console using the Korea war era AC...it's only appeal is an initial "cool factor" until someone comes along with no clue about air to air combat at mach1 + and says, "hey I would like to see a........jet arena". The bandwagon is short lived once the air to air radar and heat seeking missiles at mach2 start coming out...and the Korean war era jets won't be any different...imagine a 700mph HO shot at 30k.
these jets wouldnt fire until they saw the jet closer... :rolleyes: many dogfights in Korea were within a mile or two of each other... and the 30mil was the main gun and would be used just as a WWII gun, LEAD THE TARGET!!! :aok and also, i'd take a 30k ho that lasts 1 second over the WWI HO of 30 seconds at 1k
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these jets wouldnt fire until they saw the jet closer... :rolleyes: many dogfights in Korea were within a mile or two of each other... and the 30mil was the main gun and would be used just as a WWII gun, LEAD THE TARGET!!! :aok and also, i'd take a 30k ho that lasts 1 second over the WWI HO of 30 seconds at 1k
Where do you guys get this 30mm b.s.? Do yourself a favor 321Bar...don't pay attention to what glasses is spouting.
F-86 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (1,602 rounds in total)
* Rockets: variety of rocket launchers; e.g: 2 × Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
* Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders
* Bombs: 5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints, bombs are usually mounted on outer two pylons as the inner pairs are wet-plumbed pylons for 2 × 200 gallons drop tanks to give the Sabre a useful range. A wide variety of bombs can be carried (max standard loadout being 2 × 1,000 lb bombs plus 2 drop tanks), napalm bomb canisters and can include a tactical nuclear weapon.
P-80 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (300 rpg)
* Rockets: 8 × unguided rockets
* Bombs: 2 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
MiG15 Armament
* 2x NR-23 23mm cannons in lower left fuselage (80 rounds per gun, 160 rounds total)
* 1x Nudelman N-37 37 mm cannon in lower right fuselage (40 rounds total)
* 2x 100 kg (220 lb) bombs, drop tanks, or unguided rockets on underwing hardpoints.
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I dare you to name one other than flight sim X that is played or playable online PC or console using the Korea war era AC...it's only appeal is an initial "cool factor" until someone comes along with no clue about air to air combat at mach1 + and says, "hey I would like to see a........jet arena". The bandwagon is short lived once the air to air radar and heat seeking missiles at mach2 start coming out...and the Korean war era jets won't be any different...imagine a 700mph HO shot at 30k.
(http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2010/2/6/634010661391760260-Jesusfacepalm-t2.jpg)
No clue about air combat, you say. See my registration date. :lol
The reason you don't see many jet combat sims is because, the flightsim market has been shrinking faster than a male appendage in the artic tundra during the last
couple of years.
The cool argument is again, not relevant the same could be said about any games out there, cool factor is a high motivation why people play games, if we didn't think it
was cool or fun we wouldn't pay ,play or find them aesthetically pleasing.
Someone lectured about history yet in 1950 there was no widespread use of a-a missiles or mach 2 combat(as combat planes wouldn't regurlarly reach those speeds
until the 60s). Most was subsonic at best and fairly in range of WW2 engagements.
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Where do you guys get this 30mm b.s.? Do yourself a favor 321Bar...don't pay attention to what glasses is spouting.
F-86 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (1,602 rounds in total)
* Rockets: variety of rocket launchers; e.g: 2 × Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
* Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders
* Bombs: 5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints, bombs are usually mounted on outer two pylons as the inner pairs are wet-plumbed pylons for 2 × 200 gallons drop tanks to give the Sabre a useful range. A wide variety of bombs can be carried (max standard loadout being 2 × 1,000 lb bombs plus 2 drop tanks), napalm bomb canisters and can include a tactical nuclear weapon.
P-80 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (300 rpg)
* Rockets: 8 × unguided rockets
* Bombs: 2 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
MiG15 Armament
* 2x NR-23 23mm cannons in lower left fuselage (80 rounds per gun, 160 rounds total)
* 1x Nudelman N-37 37 mm cannon in lower right fuselage (40 rounds total)
* 2x 100 kg (220 lb) bombs, drop tanks, or unguided rockets on underwing hardpoints.
Yes you hear about those Sabre sidewinder kills in Korea all the time. :lol
The first Kill of a Sidewinder equipped Sabre was in 1958.
Sabres and MiGs were shortly to battle each other in the skies of Asia once again in the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. In August 1958, the Chinese Communists of the People's Republic of China attempted to force the Nationalists off of the islands of Quemoy and Matsu by shelling and blockade. Nationalist F-86Fs flying CAP over the islands found themselves confronted by Communist MiG-15s and MiG-17s, and there were numerous dogfights.
During these battles, the Nationalist Sabres introduced a new element into aerial warfare. Under a secret effort designated Operation Black Magic, the US Navy had provided the ROC with the AIM-9 Sidewinder, its first infrared-homing air-to-air missile, which was just entering service with the United States. A small team from VMF-323, a Marine FJ-4 Fury squadron with later assistance from China Lake and North American Aviation, initially modified 20 of the F-86 Sabres to carry a pair of Sidewinders on underwing launch rails and instructed the ROC pilots in their use flying profiles with USAF F-100s simulating the MiG-17. The MiGs enjoyed an altitude advantage over the Sabres, as they had in Korea, and Communist Chinese MiGs routinely cruised over the Nationalist Sabres, only engaging when they had a favorable position. The Sidewinder took away that advantage and proved to be devastatingly effective against the MiGs.
The combat introduction of the Sidewinder took place in a battle on 24 September 1958 when ROC Sabres succeeded in destroying 10 MiGs and scoring two probables without loss to themselves. In one month of air battles over Quemoy and Matsu, Nationalist pilots tallied a score of no less than 31 MiGs destroyed and eight probables, against a loss of two F-84Gs and no Sabres. The data comes from Nationalist Air Force filmed data
From the same Wikipedia article you keep quoting. Half truths...Gee who would have figured. :rofl
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Where do you guys get this 30mm b.s.? Do yourself a favor 321Bar...don't pay attention to what glasses is spouting.
F-86 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (1,602 rounds in total)
* Rockets: variety of rocket launchers; e.g: 2 × Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
* Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders
* Bombs: 5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints, bombs are usually mounted on outer two pylons as the inner pairs are wet-plumbed pylons for 2 × 200 gallons drop tanks to give the Sabre a useful range. A wide variety of bombs can be carried (max standard loadout being 2 × 1,000 lb bombs plus 2 drop tanks), napalm bomb canisters and can include a tactical nuclear weapon.
P-80 Armament
* Guns: 6 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (300 rpg)
* Rockets: 8 × unguided rockets
* Bombs: 2 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
MiG15 Armament
* 2x NR-23 23mm cannons in lower left fuselage (80 rounds per gun, 160 rounds total)
* 1x Nudelman N-37 37 mm cannon in lower right fuselage (40 rounds total)
* 2x 100 kg (220 lb) bombs, drop tanks, or unguided rockets on underwing hardpoints.
bah... i knew i was wrong but the point was made :aok too lazy to look at the real armaments
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bah... i knew i was wrong but the point was made :aok too lazy to look at the real armaments
No you were actually close the first time around. See what I pasted. :D
Unless those were heat seeking, radar,laser guided bullets, you would still need someone in the cockpit to aim,pull lead, and shoot the guns. Which you need to do same as
the previous war.
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No you were actually close the first time around. See what I pasted. :D
:headscratch: huh?
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Yes you hear about those Sabre sidewinder kills in Korea all the time. :lol
The first Kill of a Sidewinder equipped Sabre was in 1958.
Sabres and MiGs were shortly to battle each other in the skies of Asia once again in the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. In August 1958, the Chinese Communists of the People's Republic of China attempted to force the Nationalists off of the islands of Quemoy and Matsu by shelling and blockade. Nationalist F-86Fs flying CAP over the islands found themselves confronted by Communist MiG-15s and MiG-17s, and there were numerous dogfights.
During these battles, the Nationalist Sabres introduced a new element into aerial warfare. Under a secret effort designated Operation Black Magic, the US Navy had provided the ROC with the AIM-9 Sidewinder, its first infrared-homing air-to-air missile, which was just entering service with the United States. A small team from VMF-323, a Marine FJ-4 Fury squadron with later assistance from China Lake and North American Aviation, initially modified 20 of the F-86 Sabres to carry a pair of Sidewinders on underwing launch rails and instructed the ROC pilots in their use flying profiles with USAF F-100s simulating the MiG-17. The MiGs enjoyed an altitude advantage over the Sabres, as they had in Korea, and Communist Chinese MiGs routinely cruised over the Nationalist Sabres, only engaging when they had a favorable position. The Sidewinder took away that advantage and proved to be devastatingly effective against the MiGs.
The combat introduction of the Sidewinder took place in a battle on 24 September 1958 when ROC Sabres succeeded in destroying 10 MiGs and scoring two probables without loss to themselves. In one month of air battles over Quemoy and Matsu, Nationalist pilots tallied a score of no less than 31 MiGs destroyed and eight probables, against a loss of two F-84Gs and no Sabres. The data comes from Nationalist Air Force filmed data
From the same Wikipedia article you keep quoting. Half truths...Gee who would have figured. :rofl
this
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how does this...
Yes you hear about those Sabre sidewinder kills in Korea all the time. :lol
The first Kill of a Sidewinder equipped Sabre was in 1958.
Sabres and MiGs were shortly to battle each other in the skies of Asia once again in the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. In August 1958, the Chinese Communists of the People's Republic of China attempted to force the Nationalists off of the islands of Quemoy and Matsu by shelling and blockade. Nationalist F-86Fs flying CAP over the islands found themselves confronted by Communist MiG-15s and MiG-17s, and there were numerous dogfights.
During these battles, the Nationalist Sabres introduced a new element into aerial warfare. Under a secret effort designated Operation Black Magic, the US Navy had provided the ROC with the AIM-9 Sidewinder, its first infrared-homing air-to-air missile, which was just entering service with the United States. A small team from VMF-323, a Marine FJ-4 Fury squadron with later assistance from China Lake and North American Aviation, initially modified 20 of the F-86 Sabres to carry a pair of Sidewinders on underwing launch rails and instructed the ROC pilots in their use flying profiles with USAF F-100s simulating the MiG-17. The MiGs enjoyed an altitude advantage over the Sabres, as they had in Korea, and Communist Chinese MiGs routinely cruised over the Nationalist Sabres, only engaging when they had a favorable position. The Sidewinder took away that advantage and proved to be devastatingly effective against the MiGs.
The combat introduction of the Sidewinder took place in a battle on 24 September 1958 when ROC Sabres succeeded in destroying 10 MiGs and scoring two probables without loss to themselves. In one month of air battles over Quemoy and Matsu, Nationalist pilots tallied a score of no less than 31 MiGs destroyed and eight probables, against a loss of two F-84Gs and no Sabres. The data comes from Nationalist Air Force filmed data
From the same Wikipedia article you keep quoting. Half truths...Gee who would have figured. :rofl
lead to this...
these jets wouldnt fire until they saw the jet closer... :rolleyes: many dogfights in Korea were within a mile or two of each other... and the 30mil was the main gun and would be used just as a WWII gun, LEAD THE TARGET!!! :aok and also, i'd take a 30k ho that lasts 1 second over the WWI HO of 30 seconds at 1k
i wasnt "right" about anything... and i was just trying to point out something
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how does this...lead to this...i wasnt "right" about anything... and i was just trying to point out something
Which would be? The ranges were about the same as WW2 the speeds probably higher. There were no A-A missiles, the rockets were used for ground attack and perhaps for interception of bombers, R4M style like the Me262.
BTW I posted that before you did your post,I just re pasted it He failed to mention in his "correction" of his vast knowledge of air warfare, that the missiles weren't used
until at least 5
years after the Korean War had concluded.
The 37mm cannon was not in fact the primary weapon as it was used mainly to shoot down bombers, the 23mm cannon did however have better ballistics,and rate of fire to shoot about anything out of the skies. Think the ballistic differences between the Mk108 and MG151.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/magazine_faces_of_battle/img/3.jpg)
Spouting....Don't let facts get in the way of half truths. Forum trench mentality :D
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Which would be? The ranges were about the same as WW2 the speeds probably higher. There were no A-A missiles, the rockets were used for ground attack and perhaps for interception of bombers, R4M style like the Me262.
The 37mm cannon was not in fact the primary weapon as it was used primarily to shoot down bombers, the 23mm cannon did however had better ballistics,and rate of fire to shoot about anything out of the skies. Think the ballistic differences between the Mk108 and MG151.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/magazine_faces_of_battle/img/3.jpg)
Don't let facts get in the way of half truths. :D
what half truths? i was pointin out that the ranges would not be as far as gyrene stated. but none of the other stuff you mentioned i said...stop putting words in me mouth :huh
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what half truths? i was pointin out that the ranges would not be as far as gyrene stated. but none of the other stuff you mentioned i said...stop putting words in me mouth :huh
>facepalm< Not you.
Just in case the other posts I made get skipped.As I have an inkling they might get conveniently ignored to support the erroneous arguments about that era.
Which by the way the Korean War era was from 1950 to 1953 more or less . That's 5 full years before the first shot in anger of a Sidewinder equipped F-86 Sabre.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655645.html#msg3655645
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655641.html#msg3655641
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655691.html#msg3655691
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See Rule #4
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Glasses, I doubt you could get any more wrong. I never once said the AIM9 was used in Korea...it was just part of the armament listing for the F-86...my point was, there were no 30mm cannons used in air-to-air combat between the P-80, F-86 and the MiG-15. I see your reading and comprehension skills are selective...seems like your registration date hasn't done a thing for you.
Read this again genius...or do I have to dummy it down?
(http://I dare you to name one other than flight sim X that is played or playable online PC or console using the Korea war era AC...it's only appeal is an initial "cool factor" until someone comes along with no clue about air to air combat at mach1 + and says, "hey I would like to see a........jet arena". The bandwagon is short lived once the air to air radar and heat seeking missiles at mach2 start coming out...and the Korean war era jets won't be any different...imagine a 700mph HO shot at 30k.)
Here is the rewording...WWII era aerial combat is and has been more popular even with the limited introduction of some jet age flight sims...the only appeal for jets is a short lived "cool factor", as in "hey this jet has active radar seeking missiles and can detect an enemy 10 miles away"...and for every flight sim some wannabe fighter ace has come along and said "this <insert jet age wish> would be cool" until they actually experience it and find out, it's boring...it starts with the Korean war and by the time the wishes for the Vietnam era get granted, the entire lemming crowd realizes they were wrong and it's not as cool as WWII...that sir is gaming world historical fact.
1.BTW I never said the F-86 (it was in fact Mr Bar that mentioned something about the Sabre having a 30 not me
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655636.html#msg3655636 ) or any allied aircraft during that time used the 30mm it was the MiG 15 all along,you're reading and quoting what you want,to make an argument out of something I didn't say. You even stated the MiG 15 didn't carry a 30mm cannon when it clearly states it did by your own quote from Wikipedia,it was in fact a 37mm cannon sue me . It was used in combat in the Korean War. Watch even clips on youtube from the Revisionist /Sensationalist History channel where Sabre vets clearly stated the fact that it had horrendous effects on UN aircraft. That and the fact that a North Korean pilot defected to the UN side midwar with an intact front line MiG 15. :rofl
2.Where is the qualitative verifiable proof of this, you are the one pulling things out of thin air.(For PC: Jane's Fighters Anthology, Jane's F-15, Jane's F-18, MiG Alley, USAF, IAF,Eurofighter, F-22 ADF/TAW,the Novalogic's F-22 games, Longbow I/II. Flanker 2.5, LOMAC ,etc. Though I'm not asking for any of these). You have to consider the size (minimal in the last couple of years) of the PC flight sim market to make such assumptions.The trend away from PC games which are not online due to piracy mainly and the ease of use of the consoles have been detrimental to the expansion of these games, though for the consoles the Ace Combat series have been a success,yes even if it's an arcade game. (Truth be told the vastness of WWII and the knowledge in modern pop culture with recent movies about the subject is why there have been more sims,games about ww2 than any other game particularly over the last 15/ 20 years,the sides the motives are clear cut and of course there is no morality or controversy about who were the bad guys.) Again, Korean Era 50-53 is about the same in Spirit as WW2 type engagements particularly in 1950-1952.
3. As to the Sabre using missiles in the Korean war, you simply pasted the armament in BOLD that it carried missiles, to make an explicit point about A-A missiles and why it shouldn't be added but didn't clarify when they were used .That by itself could be interpreted although in a deceitful manner as an argument to not have these types in the game . Withholding the fact they were not used during the Korean war,and not clarifying it could be considered plainly as a half truth,which would then yield you plausible deniability when called out on it . To support the fact that I'm or someone else will ask is asking for missile warfare during that era, that it will escalate , people will want radars ,afterburner,s etc (uh we don't have on board radars in MA? :x ). You're jumping the shark yet again.
Right and people here fly because they don't want to be a "wanna be" cartoon plane ace,imitate their favorite pilot and fly within the cartoon planes modeled here. Again, a non argument.
Say it in plain English next time, don't get emotionally incoherent and start hurling insults which you seem to be running to , just proves the fact that you're running out of arguments. Sorry, I won't bite at a mediocre attempt at just that. :rofl
The fact of the matter is that from WW2 to say Vietnam Era there IS A huuuuuuuuuuuge leap in tactics and technology however, from WW2 to Korea even though the speeds increased and perhaps the service ceiling on aircraft the engagements remained the same. Up close knife fighting and running away, though the performance differences between both the First gen MiG and Sabre were negligible .
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First use of the Sidewinder missile was in 1958 Republic of China F 86's shot down Peoples Republic of China Mig 17's
in the First Taiwan Straight Crisis.
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First use of the Sidewinder missile was in 1958 Republic of China F 86's shot down Peoples Republic of China Mig 17's
in the First Taiwan Straight Crisis.
Don't let facts get in the way of fantasy. :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655645.html#msg3655645
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655641.html#msg3655641
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655691.html#msg3655691
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1.BTW I never said the F-86 (it was in fact Mr Bar that mentioned something about the Sabre having a 30 not me
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.msg3655636.html#msg3655636 ) or any allied aircraft during that time used the 30mm it was the MiG 15 all along,you're reading and quoting what you want,to make an argument out of something I didn't say.
Then I concede that I misread and attributed a statement to you in error.
You even stated the MiG 15 didn't carry a 30mm cannon when it clearly states it did by your own quote from Wikipedia,it was in fact a 37mm cannon sue me . It was used in combat in the Korean War. Watch even clips on youtube from the Revisionist /Sensationalist History channel where Sabre vets clearly stated the fact that it had horrendous effects on UN aircraft. That and the fact that a North Korean pilot defected to the UN side midwar with an intact front line MiG 15. :rofl
The MiG15 never had a 30mm cannon...it had 2x 23mm NK23 cannons and 1x 37mm N-37 (37X155) cannon...and yes it did do a very good job against bombers and the P-80 but not the F-86.
Truth be told the vastness of WWII and the knowledge in modern pop culture with recent movies about the subject is why there have been more sims,games about ww2 than any other game particularly over the last 15/ 20 years,the sides the motives are clear cut and of course there is no morality or controversy about who were the bad guys.) Again, Korean Era 50-53 is about the same in Spirit as WW2 type engagements particularly in 1950-1952.
You should proof read before you post it..."recent" WWII movies and the popularity of WWII sims and games over the past 15/20 years. :rofl
Try as early as 1984...even though it was single player...if you want to delve into MMO, 1993 - Air Warrior...Saving Private Ryan which inspired a whole series of FPS games based on WWII aired in 1998...the first game it inspired was released in 1999.
The rest of your rant is just babbling.
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darn
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if you want to delve into MMO, 1993 - Air Warrior...
Actually 1986 for AW.
ack-ack
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Except the big boom in the flight sim market occurred from the early 90s to the early 2000s.
Where sites like Flightsim, combatsim, among many others got frequent updates with new games, hardware and technology directly related to combat simulations. As the years went on they started to wither,shrivel up , and decay to a point where now there is a lack of constant updates or simply closed down, c-sim even tried charging for access. Most of the people that work or may have worked in these types were reassigned,their companies disbanded to more profitable genres.
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Actually 1986 for AW.
ack-ack
wish i was alive back then...me dad used to fly AW since the start...
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Except the big boom in the flight sim market occurred from the early 90s to the early 2000s.
Where sites like Flightsim, combatsim, among many others got frequent updates with new games, hardware and technology directly related to combat simulations. As the years went on they started to wither,shrivel up , and decay to a point where now there is a lack of constant updates or simply closed down, c-sim even tried charging for access. Most of the people that work or may have worked in these types were reassigned,their companies disbanded to more profitable genres.
The "more profitabe genre" was, until the last 2 years, World War II first person shooters...and WoW for the "family types" (4 years ago)...oh look...even the the RTS, RPG and FPS markets tried at least one game featuring the Korean war era and the games failed...unless a hit movie or mini series hits the screens, the Korean war era is not going to be a marketable interest to developers.
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The "more profitabe genre" was, until the last 2 years, World War II first person shooters...and WoW for the "family types" (4 years ago)...oh look...even the the RTS, RPG and FPS markets tried at least one game featuring the Korean war era and the games failed...unless a hit movie or mini series hits the screens, the Korean war era is not going to be a marketable interest to developers.
Read this article http://www.scribd.com/full/30381093?access_key=key-17v738ny20ljlqfyi6ww :aok
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i never knew that the Americans and Soviets flew these in WWII :headscratch:
am i missing something?
The Americans didn't fly the F86 in WWII but the germans did. :old:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264206.0.html
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ROFLMAO Larry... :rofl
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The Americans didn't fly the F86 in WWII but the germans did. :old:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264206.0.html
lol thanks, that was an entertaining read for a while. I stopped reading when fullmetalbullet stop posting though, then it was just AckAck, and who wants to read that? :neener:
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That's not what you said before.
Considering the home page for AH has a big picture of an F4U with the words "Welcome to the Internets Premier WWII Combat Experience"...it is a WW2 game.
main page actually says "Premier ww2 and ww1 combat experience"
Just sayin
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don't really think it needs to be explained further as Glasses is correct, the main arenas has nothing to do with historical accuracy. As far as I know, there weren't any countries named Knights, Bishops or Rooks fighting in World War II.
ack-ack
Seriously, dammit. I've been misled horribly. I did hear there were knights crosses, another lie i suppose. Now i'm not so sure WW2 happened at all :cry
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Whilst we're doing Korea, lets have some Vietnam as well.
I'd love to carpet bomb a jungle canopy with a B52 from 30000 ft and no visible target.
Maybe we could get perked weapons like Agent Orange, I'd love to do an Op Ranch hand raid, then fly an OW 02 over and look for squirrels :x
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Good luck getting to target with your B52 Danny with 3-4 F15s sweeping the skies for exactly that type of thing. Maybe to combat the uber F15 dweebs we can get some type of future planes as well, maybe that can go into orbit and drop back down into the atmosphere hypersonically to pick, then zoom-climb back into orbit. I like where this whole MiG-15/ F-86 thing is leading. And how about lasers mounted on satellites while we're at it? Might be nice for de-acking v-bases. Oh, and how about letting us put some robots in the seats of some of these rides, HTC. The ultimate WW5 experience.
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Good luck getting to target with your B52 Danny with 3-4 F15s sweeping the skies for exactly that type of thing. Maybe to combat the uber F15 dweebs we can get some type of future planes as well, maybe that can go into orbit and drop back down into the atmosphere hypersonically to pick, then zoom-climb back into orbit. I like where this whole MiG-15/ F-86 thing is leading. And how about lasers mounted on satellites while we're at it? Might be nice for de-acking v-bases. Oh, and how about letting us put some robots in the seats of some of these rides, HTC. The ultimate WW5 experience.
Some good ideas there, but aren't i correct in assuming that we already have uber fighters that "go into orbit and drop back down into the atmosphere hypersonically to pick, then zoom-climb back into orbit." :joystick:
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May as well go for the gusto...
(http://bensbreakfastblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/deathstar.jpg)
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ya no sorry this is a bad idea especially the stingers those are from the 80s but i do know that the british had a late war bomber, maybe add that
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« Reply #126 on: May 12, 2010, 10:25:52 »
If you have to go back 100 or more pages to find a thread you want to post in, you're grave digging.
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« Reply #126 on: May 12, 2010, 10:25:52 »
If you have to go back 100 or more pages to find a thread you want to post in, you're grave digging.
Better than the forum buzzards telling him to use the search function.
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Better than the forum buzzards telling him to use the search function.
Yeah, coulda been .... 'worse' :huh
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,168291.0.html
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Better than the forum buzzards telling him to use the search function.
Well, in defense of anyone who necrobumps an old thread, this forum has the worst "search" results of anything on the entire interwebs.
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Well, in defense of anyone who necrobumps an old thread, this forum has the worst "search" results of anything on the entire interwebs.
I'll consider that a mixed blessing.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/Herman_tank_zpsba452f5a.png)
And I'm still not sure why it inspires over 100 pages of back-tracking if the search function fails. :D