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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bino on October 18, 2007, 06:49:44 PM
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Because
it was the most common VVS fighter on June 21, 1941
a revolutionary combination of advanced features when introduced
flying an open cockpit plane in AH would just have to be fun
(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/VVS1/I16-9.jpg)
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New Candy Mountain Mishun Plane
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Will is come with a VVS issue toothpick?
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Bring it on please!
Russian & Japanese planesets need a lot of filling.
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I'd fly it, heck, it would replace my D3A, and I would probably not look back. For long. If I remember correctly the VVS Machineguns in its nose had quite a high rate of fire for the time, and actually could pack a punch. For small BB guns.
The question is, to me, which version we would get. The Type 24 (the one with the 20mm cannons) is the only one that I could see being worth a dang. Less you wanted the Type 21 (just little machineguns) for Snapshot Scenerios and such.
On a side note, I do believe it would make a great base defender, but for different reasons than the Zero. It takes off fast, and can carry rockets, and a few bombs. Both of which could be quite useful during a GV Raid, or even if a CV got too close to a base.
Though, just like in WW2, I can just imagine how easy it is to down from above. One lucky shot from just about any weapon and you suddenly have a pilot wound on your hands. But unlike in WW2, you can whine about it after it happens, instead of bleeding to death in your half frozen over cockpit. (I salute all the Russian pilots in WW2 that flew this thing in the winter. They must have had some big comfy boots.)
I do seem to remember that the I-16 Mosca did have a Canopy. But most pilots took it off because the glass on it was imperfect and would glaze over very quickly. Not like, fog, glaze to the point you could not see out of them. And well, that would be bad.
It'd give the Me-109E a run for its money for an early war fighter though, atleast in the Horizontal. I am unsure if it has more Horsepower though. I do love that big engine. And the look of the plane is so very nice.
I'd love to see it. :aok
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Originally posted by Raptor
New Candy Mountain Mishun Plane
:noid
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Looks like an armed GEEBEE!!!! lol:lol
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I've been begging for this thing forever.
The Polikarpov I-16 was produced in both high and low wing monoplane versions, both with and without enclosed cockpits, and in both single and two set trainer versions. Quite the versitile airframe.
(http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/gallery/acgallery/fullsize/I-16_fs.jpg)
General characteristics
• Crew: one pilot
• Length: 6.13 m (20.1 ft)
• Wingspan: 9.00 m (29.5 ft)
• Height: 2.25 m (7.38 ft)
• Wing area: 14.54 m² (156.5 ft²)
• Empty weight: 1,383 kg (3,049 lb)
• Loaded weight: 1,882 kg (4,149 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 2,050 kg (4,520 lb)
• Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-63 air-cooled radial engine, 670 kW (900 hp) driving a two-blade propeller
Performance
• Maximum speed: 460 km/h (290 mph)
• Range: 440 km (275 mi)
• Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,800 ft)
• Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 129 kg/m² (26 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
• 4× fixed forward-firing 7.62 mm (.30 cal) ShKAS machine guns, a total of 3,100 rounds of ammunition.
• 6× RS-82 rockets or up to 100 kg (220 lb) of bombs
Built from 1933 through 1941 with over half still in service in 1943 the Polikarpov IL-16 was a historically significant aircraft. I was the worlds first monoplane fighter, the first with retractable landing gear, and the first with a closed cockpit (some versions). It was built in many varients over it's lifespan but the type 24 was the most used varient in WWII. The type 28 replaces two of the 7.62 mm ShKAS with to 20mm ShVAK cannons.
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i love killing anything with that evil red star on it.
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Originally posted by Bino
Because
it was the most common VVS fighter on June 21, 1941
a revolutionary combination of advanced features when introduced
flying an open cockpit plane in AH would just have to be fun
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Yes please!
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One other reason to have this; Production #'s:
Polikarpov I-16 . . . . . . . . . . 20,000
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Pretty puh-leeeeeeeze?
(http://www.russianwarrior.com/Images/i16squad.jpg)
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reminds me of the lgay7
:noid
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looks like another fun plane to fly. could also open up the possibilty of some early war russian fsos. would be cool to ahve these attacking ju-87s
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I've been begging for this thing forever.
The Polikarpov I-16 was produced in both high and low wing monoplane versions, both with and without enclosed cockpits, and in both single and two set trainer versions. Quite the versitile airframe.
(http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/gallery/acgallery/fullsize/I-16_fs.jpg)
General characteristics
• Crew: one pilot
• Length: 6.13 m (20.1 ft)
• Wingspan: 9.00 m (29.5 ft)
• Height: 2.25 m (7.38 ft)
• Wing area: 14.54 m² (156.5 ft²)
• Empty weight: 1,383 kg (3,049 lb)
• Loaded weight: 1,882 kg (4,149 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 2,050 kg (4,520 lb)
• Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-63 air-cooled radial engine, 670 kW (900 hp) driving a two-blade propeller
Performance
• Maximum speed: 460 km/h (290 mph)
• Range: 440 km (275 mi)
• Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,800 ft)
• Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 129 kg/m² (26 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
• 4× fixed forward-firing 7.62 mm (.30 cal) ShKAS machine guns, a total of 3,100 rounds of ammunition.
• 6× RS-82 rockets or up to 100 kg (220 lb) of bombs
Built from 1933 through 1941 with over half still in service in 1943 the Polikarpov IL-16 was a historically significant aircraft. I was the worlds first monoplane fighter, the first with retractable landing gear, and the first with a closed cockpit (some versions). It was built in many varients over it's lifespan but the type 24 was the most used varient in WWII. The type 28 replaces two of the 7.62 mm ShKAS with to 20mm ShVAK cannons.
So it's basically an under-armed/under-powered Hurricane 2c? :noid
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:lol
So many other aircraft deserve the attention of HTC vs this thing.
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:lol
So many other aircraft deserve the attention of HTC vs this thing.
I can name.... 1... 2... 3...
But I wouldn't mind this being in the next update. Very important fighter. First all metal low wing monoplane with retractable gear. Made up most of the VVS at the beginning of the war.
As far as EW fighters I would like this, the CR. 42, the Ki43 and the Yak 1.
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PE-2 would probably got tons more use.
LaGG-3 or MIG-3 for that matter.
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PE-2 would probably got tons more use.
LaGG-3 or MIG-3 for that matter.
I agree with you on the Pe-2, but not the LaGG-3 and MiG-3... at least the Polikarpov would have a turn radius advantage on 99% of MA planes, the MiG and LaGG would just suck. The MiG is a very sexy fighter though.
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yer! can we get the I15 as well?
Saw this one last year at an airshow in NZ. Sounded incredible when that radial kicked into life. Sounded like the thing was shaking itself to death very loudly.
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AcesHigh/I15.jpg)
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I can name.... 1... 2... 3...
But I wouldn't mind this being in the next update. Very important fighter. First all metal low wing monoplane with retractable gear. Made up most of the VVS at the beginning of the war.
As far as EW fighters I would like this, the CR. 42, the Ki43 and the Yak 1.
While quite innovative, the I-16 wasn't all-metal, it was of mixed wood, steel tube and aluminum construction. It was the first production cantilever monoplane fighter with retractable landing gear. Most other major nations were flying biplanes (some with retractable gear) or fixed gear monoplanes. Some of those biplanes were nearly as fast as the I-16 when it was first introduced. By 1936, the rest of the major powers had not only caught up, but had surpassed the I-16 in performance or in potential. By the end of 1936, the Spitfire and Hurricane prototypes had flown. Germany was flying prototypes of the Bf 109 and He 112. Curtiss had flown the H75 (prototype that evolved into the P-36, then P-40), Seversky was the flying the SEV-1XP (evolved into the P-35, AP-4 and P-43). By 1938, the I-16 was well on its way to obsolescence.
So, while very advanced for its time, its time was rather short.
All of that aside, it was the Soviet's primary fighter for the first year of their war with Germany. 20,000+ were built, placing among the top most produced fighters. Therefore, it should be added to the game, if for no other reason, for its historical importance.
My regards,
Widewing
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At only 290 mph max, this plane would see little to no use in the MA. Not to mention the guns are awful.
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At only 290 mph max, this plane would see little to no use in the MA. Not to mention the guns are awful.
Which is why we should get the Type 24, with two 20mm and two 7.62mm. This variant could attain 326 mph.
My regards,
Widewing
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Which is why we should get the Type 24, with two 20mm and two 7.62mm. This variant could attain 326 mph.
My regards,
Widewing
I think you meant Type 28.
I think the Type 28 with the 20mm's would be a competetive furballer and that the Type 24 should be done just for historical puposes as long as they are being done anyway.
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I think you meant Type 28.
I think the Type 28 with the 20mm's would be a competetive furballer and that the Type 24 should be done just for historical puposes as long as they are being done anyway.
I have read that Type 24s could be found with Four 7.62 mm ShKAS MGs or the mixed armament of two ShKAS and two 20 mm ShVAK cannon. That said, the Type 28 would be just fine for MA use. I was thinking the Type 24 with the alternate armaments would be better for scenarios, providing I-16s as they generally appeared when Germany attacked, or the cannon armament seen in late 1941, early 1942.
My regards,
Widewing
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With this and a matched early 109, a Spanish Civil war would be possible.
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The I-16 was quite a popular plane in Fighter Ace 2.0 and 2.5 in the arenas with easy and intermediate flight models. I flew it a lot, but when I started flying in the Advanced Arena (Realistic arena) I found that it was a handful which stalled easily and violently.
It's popularity there was significantly reduced, but there were some who used its turning ability and violent stall characteristics to their advantage.
AVG
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:lol
So it's basically an under-armed/under-powered Hurricane 2c? :noid
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Can think of a handful of other Soviet fighters I'd rather see, first.
Although historically significant, I cant see myself taking it up more than once or twice in the LWMA.
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i thought of this in 07
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PE-2 would probably got tons more use.
LaGG-3 or MIG-3 for that matter.
The I-16 though is perfect for a true early war setup with as it help fills the Soviet and PTO plane set of 1939-1940.
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