Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Treize69 on March 04, 2008, 01:15:02 PM
-
For those who might not recognise the name (which is probably most of you), he was the creator of Dungeons and Dragons, and thus the father of all the modern RPGs and other games that use similar rules and setups. I heard about it on the Classic Battletech forums as a rumor, but since then its been confirmed by several board members who work at newspapers and magazines. He was 69.
The only way I knew who he was, aside from a name often cited in references and bibliographies for gaming books and websites, was as a guest-star on an episode of Futurama. He was in the episode "Anthology of Interest" with Al Gore, Stephen Hawking and Nichelle Nichols. Hes the one who rolls the dice and says "I'm [roll] happy to meet you!". At one point when he starts to roll, Al Gore slams his hand down on the dice and says "Put them away before I take them away."
(http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/0/3/epanthologyofinterest1.jpg)
RIP, may be obscure, but his invention and its spinoffs have made a lot of folks happy over the years.
-
Gary Gygax. I grew up on that stuff. Sad loss.
-
I spent a lot of money on his stuff when I was a young'un. The entire RPG industry owes him a lot.
RIP
-
well... that made my day... not the guy dying.. never heard of him but...
the fact that one of the few guys that has me on "ignore" is a dungeons and dragons guy..
lazs
-
Originally posted by lazs2
well... that made my day... not the guy dying.. never heard of him but...
the fact that one of the few guys that has me on "ignore" is a dungeons and dragons guy..
lazs
Ha Ha Ha Ha....now that's funny chit!
THUNDEBOLT THUNDEBOLT
-
Saving throw.... failed.
-
Originally posted by ChickenHawk
I spent a lot of money on his stuff when I was a young'un.
D&D probably SAVED me a lot of money in high school. I never had time for drugs or cruising around town getting into trouble.
-
Critical miss.....:O
-
That's a shame, the guy had a great imagination and was able to provide a harmless pastime for many folks.
RIP
-
Anyone know a high level Necromancer?
Maybe we can get him back?
-
Originally posted by Blooz
Anyone know a high level Necromancer?
Maybe we can get him back?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/wizzard.jpg)
-
Originally posted by Blooz
Anyone know a high level Necromancer?
Maybe we can get him back?
I have a level 80 Necromancer in Everquest, does that count? :D
-
I was first introduced to DnD when I was in the 7th grade. Played it pretty much non-stop through high school. I'm 41 now and I still have friends my age and older that still play every week.
-
I'm not a fan of D+D, as I said, I only know who he is from a guest spot on a TV show. But I have played other RPGs and roll-based games, and I agree that his idea kept a lot of kids out of trouble- despite the idiot parents thinking their kids were "satanists" who were getting together to "worship the devil". Its amazing how many folks I've worked with or known otherwise who admit to being ex-RPGers at some point, and all say it was probably the safest and sanest way they could have spent their time.
RPGs are misunderstood by a lot of people who don't play them, but they've been very popular for decades now and between the games themselves and the computer and literature spinoffs, they're a multi-million (if not billion) a year business. They'd probably still be around in some form, invented by somebody else, but his system is the one that almost all modern ones trace their lineage from.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vChEPj0dXXk
Funniest damn video ever made on DND.
"I'm casting...MAAAGIC MISSILE!!!"
-
Originally posted by DiabloTX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vChEPj0dXXk
Funniest damn video ever made on DND.
"I'm casting...MAAAGIC MISSILE!!!"
:lol
-
Quite a mind to invent all that stuff. He probably read Lord of the Rings and wished he was a dwarven warrior. Figured out the system, and made some money. I liked playing that stuff. PCs really killed it off.
-
Originally posted by LePaul
Ha Ha Ha Ha....now that's funny chit!
THUNDEBOLT THUNDEBOLT
Oh my.
-
Another classic.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521044027821122670
-
I had the pleasure of playing with him, his son Ernie, Arenson, and others at several cons and minicons in and around Lake Geneva where it all started. I was in high school, playing the game with it's creator... man it was something else. Somewhere in one of my garages I have a first edition Player's Handbook, DMG, and Monster Manual signed by him. Worth nothing I'm sure, but a keepsake from fun times.
Edit typo Arneson
-
If they're first editions they're worth big money. IIRC the PHB first edition was unique in that it had orange paper used just inside the front and rear covers. Man, it's been years since I thought about 1st ed. rules.
Steve, next time I'm in Phoenix we need to hook up for a beer or something if you have the time. 2 brothers in Phoenix and my dad in Casa Grande. I should be back out there some time soon.
-
From another forum:
"We witness the passing of a great man. He has done more to promote virginity among teenage males than anyone else in the world. "
He certainly postponed my discovery of the opposite sex by 2-3 years.... :o
-
Originally posted by lazs2
well... that made my day... not the guy dying.. never heard of him but...
the fact that one of the few guys that has me on "ignore" is a dungeons and dragons guy..
lazs
I'm not sure the need for expressing vindication over being ignored is any less pathetic than using the feature. :D
Oh ... Mr. Gygax.
-
Hi, my name is Mark...and I'm a geek... *Hi Mark*
Yes, I was a D&D geek in my younger years. Some of my best times as a kid was playing D&D. I haven't played it in over 20 years, but I'm still a fan of the computer D&D games. RIP Gary Gygax. Thanks for the good times!
-
RIP Mr Gygax :(
Who the heck let that Lazsyboy off the list :mad:
-
arlo.. the who your enemies are and why is always important.
D&D.... you guys are kidding right?
I would think that AH would be the last thing a dd person would be interested in.
lazs
-
arlo.. the who your enemies are and why is always important.
"Enemies?" Heh. That sounds like hurt feelins. I wouldn't let it upset me that much. :D
-
well.. maybe "enemies" is too strong a word.. "people who dislike you and why" would be a better choice.
I find that so far they are left wing socialists or far right winger big government types or (snicker) anime and D&D fans... Guys who love a good doomsday "the sky is falling" theory and guys who like ricer cars and fear firearms.
I don't find the fact that they don't like me much to be that surprising but it is pretty predictable.. and unlike your posts.. amusing.
lazs
-
Nice moonwalk Laz but it seems Freud has spoken. :lol
-
ah.. big believer in freud are you?
lazs
-
You say that as if he was the Easter Bunny. So .... tell me about your mother? :D
-
Did he drop any good loot?
-
D&D.... you guys are kidding right?
I would think that AH would be the last thing a dd person would be interested in.
lazs
DnD got me through a pretty fluffied up childhood. I was "normal"... I partied, went on dates and later joined the Army (11B1P). Hell we played it in the barracks .... imagine that Lazs abunch of Infantryman playing DnD,lol. The game embodied ideals of honor, strength etc that I held dear in those times and it was simple good fun.
The miltary,especialy combat arms is full of guys who played/play the game (then anyway). They're the naive handsomehunk's who decide to risk life and limb for an abstract ideal that is our nation and its consitution.
See you on the other side Mr Gygax <S>
-
xbat.. I salute you for your service and admire your courage for admitting in public that you ever played D&D..
An all male barracks does seem to be the perfect place for it tho.. who got to play the princess?
lazs
-
:lol
-
xbat.. I salute you for your service and admire your courage for admitting in public that you ever played D&D..
An all male barracks does seem to be the perfect place for it tho.. who got to play the princess?
lazs
I think we are getting to the root of the problem here. You seem to think that those tht played D&D are somehow unmanly and should keep such admissions to themselves. I understand now. You probably still play D&D and are worried someone will find out about it because you are so insecure about your own masculinity. I bet, on halloween you drive to a town far away from your own where you will not be recognized and you dress up as a fairy princess in nice tights and a pink Tutu. I bet you have Barry Manilow CD's in your Healey. 'Fess up fairy boy, I hear it's quite liberating.
-
I played D&D while in high school. Our high school was new and still under construction....lots of work being done on the thing while school was in session.
We used to find and empty room and play D&D for hours....skipping classes, in these rooms that were under construction. They even had locks on the doors, so we could lock "the man" out.
Many a fond memory of those days.
And by playing D&D, I don't mean dressing up and acting out crap. I mean that it was game played in the mind. It's really hard to explain, but it is almost like an alternate reality played out in your mind.
I'd compare it to the old radio days, when people would be entranced by the stories told over the old radios.
-
DnD, as he set it up, was a cerebral exercise of the imagination. It was a great escape and a fun way to interact with some friends. It also was a way to find humor in some really outlandish mental side trips. It wasn't about self image or proving anything to anyone any more than playing a friendly game of cards is. Not everything is bout shoring up your masculinity or femininity (for the ladies that played it). It was just about having a good time with friends and seeing how the game would turn out.
-
well... I will admit that I know little or nothing about the thing other than the blurbs I have seen here and there on the internet and articles I read in magazines of the time.
I was never into fantasy.. elves and trolls and princesses and that whole world.. swords and sorcery and magic type of crap..
The articles of the times showed a bunch of teenage boys all dressed up in fairytaleland clothes and sitting around what looked like a basement. I was giving women rides on Harley's at the time and building hot rods and such... you can imagine that I might have looked askance at the whole thing.
I can't bring myself to read a fantasy book or even watch someone play one of these fantasy world role playing games they have now.. if the words "sorcery" or "magic" or elves or trolls shows up in a science fiction book I know it will be a stinker.
I could not watch the lord of the rings even half way through.
There are lots of ways to stir the imagination.. taking yourself to a world of boys dressed as princesses and elves and sorcerers is not a viable option for me.
Why didn't you guys just join a drama class?
lazs
-
well... I will admit that I know little or nothing about the thing other than the blurbs I have seen here and there on the internet and articles I read in magazines of the time.
I was never into fantasy.. elves and trolls and princesses and that whole world.. swords and sorcery and magic type of crap..
The articles of the times showed a bunch of teenage boys all dressed up in fairytaleland clothes and sitting around what looked like a basement. I was giving women rides on Harley's at the time and building hot rods and such... you can imagine that I might have looked askance at the whole thing.
I can't bring myself to read a fantasy book or even watch someone play one of these fantasy world role playing games they have now.. if the words "sorcery" or "magic" or elves or trolls shows up in a science fiction book I know it will be a stinker.
I could not watch the lord of the rings even half way through.
There are lots of ways to stir the imagination.. taking yourself to a world of boys dressed as princesses and elves and sorcerers is not a viable option for me.
Why didn't you guys just join a drama class?
lazs
It was nothing like what you are saying. No Lord of the Rings, no dressing, no acting.
It was game. A game played in the mind.
It's hard to imagine it though. To me, it is one of the best games ever imagined.
-
DnD got me through a pretty fluffied up childhood. I was "normal"... I partied, went on dates and later joined the Army (11B1P). Hell we played it in the barracks .... imagine that Lazs abunch of Infantryman playing DnD,lol. The game embodied ideals of honor, strength etc that I held dear in those times and it was simple good fun.
The miltary,especialy combat arms is full of guys who played/play the game (then anyway). They're the naive handsomehunk's who decide to risk life and limb for an abstract ideal that is our nation and its consitution.
See you on the other side Mr Gygax <S>
We played both BattleTech and Vampire: the Masquerade in my barracks, and I was in a combat MOS too (19K). Never got into D+D mainly because the vast library of rule books and the like was far too daunting for a newb, plus I just never got into the whole fantasy scene. I prefer games that are more sci-fi or historically based.
-
A mind is a terrible thing to laz...means people will THINK!!! OMG somebody get the hose on these folks quick!!
I used to play D-n-D back in the day. was a great escape from the crap that went on in my family....
I used to drive my 78' Trans Am over to my friends house were we got together to play. On sundays we worked on our cars. On friday we raced em and on saterdays we played D&D.
Havent thought about the game in years. I still have some of my 1st edition stuff too.
R.I.P Mr. Gygax <S>
-
Why didn't you guys just join a drama class?
Ah ... so it was drama class that made you the melodrama queen over anything you're remotely critical over today, I see. Offered at the school of marginalizing everyone else to appear exceptional? :D
-
well... I will admit that I know little or nothing about the thing
lazs
Really should have stopped there then. If you know nothing about the thing you are hardly in the position to really have an opinion with any merit to it. It's easy, when you know nothing about it, to have a really skewed and totally incorrect misperception about it. Kind of like beetle trying to speak on which handgun is best for defence or target shooting.
Oh and BTW I found that the drama folks in High School had the absolute best parties. :rock
-
I loved reading the books. Monster Manuals, the class books.... I enjoyed reading the short stories in them. Never could find a good group to play with - I knew some people who did but they didn't play it "right" in my opinion.. mostly they sat around rolling up new guys and complaining if they didn't have at least 3 traits of 19.
BattleTech I also loved reading.. I think I had all of the "Technical Manuals" for it. Couldn't ever find anyone to play that with either, but I did play the heck out of MechWarrior series on the PC.
Lazs - I think more "normal" people than you think do that sort of thing. I actually was involved with the SCA for a couple years (which is basically LARP without the "magic" stuff... just grown men dressed up in "armor" beating the hell out of each other with bamboo sticks). I really enjoyed it, and at 23-24 was by far the youngest member of the group I was with (mainly guys in their 30s and 40s ... married, making good money, and raising kids). When I decided to go back to school I didn't have the time to do it anymore, so I gave em back the armor that they'd gathered up for me, and they passed it on to another younger guy.
I think I'm about as normal as the next guy, and I've dabbled in the geek arts :). Played football and chess in high school too.
-
Dunno that much about Dungeons and Dragons, but is this the old school version of todays "Warcraft"?
PS: Is lasz marginalizing people again because they like (or a fan of~) something that he considers unmanly? ;)
-
well.. Like I said.. I do not enjoy taking myself to a land of sorcery and elves and princeses and and trolls and such.. the genre of fantasy does not interest me.
some of you tho seem to feel that if you don't like fantasy (the genre) or did not play dungeons and dragons that you obviously did not use your mind. arrogance from a DD player is amusing to me.
I am shocked that so many AH players would were into the fairlyand stuff tho.. AH for me seems historical and accurate and trying it's best to imitate a physical world that not only could exist but did... that of ballistics and prop plane performance at it's height.
And in the end.. you have to do a lot of imagining to pull yourself out of a basement full of zit faced males and into the arms of the princess or into the battle with the troll now don't you?
Sure.. we played cowboys and indians or soldier but.. it was no fun, as we grew into teenagers, unless there were projectile weapons involved.. BB's and such. No princess and no majic to save your butt.. still.. you could win. you were out of the moment but in the moment.. you were....
outdoors... you were getting exercise and the danger was real.
Never took a drama class myself but.. what is the difference? why didn't you guys do that? It would seem a more productive (more skill and learning) than the fairlyand thing with the same results..
unless.. you are just a big fan of the genre... which I am most assuredly not.
lazs
-
If you think the whole concept of a story like the lord of the rings is repulsive, you wouldn't be interested in D&D or off shoots. If you think that WW2 history is valuable and interesting and 9th century European history is stupid and worthless you like wise wouldn't be interested in D&D or off shoots.
Does that make you more manly? You apparently hope so. I am not so sure. Playing D&D doesn't preclude you doing any other thing, it is just something that others have done that you have not, it doesn't imply that you have done or enjoy things that they have not.
-
a great one.
reno 911 - magic missle...demon god of conquest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkcZGADQClw
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
-
well.. Like I said.. I do not enjoy taking myself to a land of sorcery and elves and princeses and and trolls and such..
lazs
I thought you lived in California?
-
oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is.. or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.
Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.
Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books.. That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".
fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.
as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which.. I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up.
lazs
-
I actually think that for some people AH serves the same purpose as D&D does. It is just a different sort of make believe.
-
oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is.. or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.
Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.
Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books.. That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".
fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.
as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which.. I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up.
lazs
John Wayne wouldn't have even read this thread, much less posted in it. Try emulating him if you want to portray masculine security here for the rest of us to admire. :D
-
I have, somewhere in a box somewhere, 2 of the 3 originial pamphlet 'rulebooks'. Back when ELF was a class, not a race. Wonder if they are of any value. May have to go look for them.
-
I actually think that for some people AH serves the same purpose as D&D does. It is just a different sort of make believe.
Bingo.. alot of hypocrites in thread.
-
Arlo..lol
Just ask yourself at all times what would John Wayne do?
Now someone do a dialog of the duke playing D&D. That would be hillarios.
-
oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is.. or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.
Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.
Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books.. That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".
fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.
as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which.. I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up.
lazs
Allot of thought wasted on something you purport to not care about.
Tolkien was interested in that time frame(he was an expert on the languages of that era), invented his own language for a elven race(in the 1920s), then invented a history and world for the language to exist in(in the 30s). Then wrote the book the lord of the rings during WW2 pretty much.
People liked his books(not you apparently) and wondered what it would be like to exist in such a world, Gygax wondered the same thing and came up with a game system to try and capture the experience. A whole genre of games evolved, spread to computer games and continues to this day in hundreds of different rules systems and for many different environments.
There are Role Playing games for Science Fiction, Vietnam, the old west(The Duke would approve of this I suppose) and everything else. Its just a gaming model where N players have one person they control in a world and that person can progress and become more capable within the rules for the game. 1 Player controls everything else in existence. And thats it. Nothing mysterios or hateful, just for the time a very different concept of a game that has now become almost universal with computers.
You expect to play a computer game and have all the bad guys controlled by the PC or a server, Doom and all its desendents do this, Most not online flight sims do this etc.
In the mid 1970s nothing did this. Gygax made up rules for a person to act as that computer that controls all the bad guys and non player good guys.
Thats all it is.
-
Gygax made up rules for a person to act as that computer that controls all the bad guys and non player good guys.
Thats all it is.
That's a pretty good analogy.
By the way, as I said before we didn't dress up in costumes or collect toy monsters. There were no "princesses". Actually, you had to be pretty smart, plus creative to be able to learn and play the game.
One of the other games I played used a similar, less complex system and it was a WW1 fighter game. That was a blast too. You had hit damage models, and all kinds of parameters for the planes. Just like a computer does now. Only we used dice.
Good analogy, Pongo.
-
That's a pretty good analogy.
By the way, as I said before we didn't dress up in costumes or collect toy monsters. There were no "princesses". Actually, you had to be pretty smart, plus creative to be able to learn and play the game.
One of the other games I played used a similar, less complex system and it was a WW1 fighter game. That was a blast too. You had hit damage models, and all kinds of parameters for the planes. Just like a computer does now. Only we used dice.
Good analogy, Pongo.
Heck I'd probably still play if I could muster a group of guys who weren't over the top... and a few hours each week.
A friend of mine and I once entered a dungeon creating contest for Dragon Magazine. He did the mapping and I did the story line. We finished third but GG asked me if I ever considered writing. It was flattering, but I hated typing. a few years later I sent him a chapter of a book I had in mind and he asked me if I wanted help getting published.... said maybe he could help me. A couple of years after that he had his own publishing company.... I hated typing too much and didn't want to spend the time at a keyboard... was busy chasing skirts, paintballing, and skating... making just enough money to afford these vices. Man, I am quite sure I missed a chance at a career in writing.... I was really a very unwise young person. Still, I had a blast w/ my vices. :aok
-
Heck I'd probably still play if I could muster a group of guys who weren't over the top... and a few hours each week.
A friend of mine and I once entered a dungeon creating contest for Dragon Magazine. He did the mapping and I did the story line. We finished third but GG asked me if I ever considered writing. It was flattering, but I hated typing. a few years later I sent him a chapter of a book I had in mind and he asked me if I wanted help getting published.... said maybe he could help me. A couple of years after that he had his own publishing company.... I hated typing too much and didn't want to spend the time at a keyboard... was busy chasing skirts, paintballing, and skating... making just enough money to afford these vices. Man, I am quite sure I missed a chance at a career in writing.... I was really a very unwise young person. Still, I had a blast w/ my vices. :aok
Hey Steve. I apologize for missing the birthday party for the kids. I felt terrible about that.
Hey, maybe I can find my old princess costume and we can play D&D at your place? LOL. Does Stacey have any extra pots that we can use for helmets?
I remember that you mentioned that book when I fist met you. You blew it, pal!
-
Arlo..lol
Just ask yourself at all times what would John Wayne do?
Now someone do a dialog of the duke playing D&D. That would be hillarios.
Yaknow ... it would. I bet it'd become an internet cult fave in less than a week. :D
-
crap, I hate being bumped.
Steve, check out the last post on the page before this one.
-
Go to Steve's mssg. Hit the "quote" button. Copy the text. Go to your post. Hit the "modify" button. Paste in the quote. It'll save Steve the effort. :)
-
Go to Steve's mssg. Hit the "quote" button. Copy the text. Go to your post. Hit the "modify" button. Paste in the quote. It'll save Steve the effort. :)
That's too much work for me, I'd rather have Steve do the work. :)
-
Ok, but that leaves a question about which version we will play. V1, 2, 3, 3.5, or 4?
-
Hey Laz
When guys like you were out riding crappy bikes, doing drugs, losing limbs and just being scum in general, guys like me were playing a game that required some basic intelligence and having good clean fun.
You learned your life lessons the hard way, because you were stupid. Now you play a computer game and talk to people from your computer in your old age.
Also, you seem to like space cowboys, like in Firefly. Do you dress up as a space cowboy when watching Firefly?
-
Hey now .... don't make fun of my brown coat! Whoops! Yeah, Lazs! What he said! ;0)
-
now this is getting funny.. the only people using the words hate and manly are the princesses and elves.
pongo.. because I have an passing observation that means I have given "a lot of thought to it"? really.. what appears to be silly on the surface.. the whole sword and sorcery thing is.. just silly on all levels.
Anyone who doesn't like the fantasy genre lacks imagination? My but you princesses are full of yourselves eh?
there are all sorts of ways to escape.. we all escape into our own heads. you can do it on a long drive or ride.. but.. you get some fresh air and meet real people.
You can read books or watch film or work on things.. you can play all sorts of games. I play AH about 15 hours a month for instance. I have played way too much in the past tho.
My "opinion" is formed by the people I have met who played DD.. back when and.. the current princess and sorcery "worlds" some guys who play AH are into that now.. they tried to convince me that I would like it.. I watched em play.. it is beyond boring..
If the only benny you guys ever got from DD was that it "stretched your imagination" then.. you were pretty pitiful in that department anyway.. life will stretch your imagination.. read a good book.. one where you might even learn something.. I don't care to know how to kill an elf or troll.. I don't want to know how to save a princess that is in reality... a 200 pound zit faced 5'2" guy.
DD.. sword and sorcery is only a genre.. it is not the entire universe of imagination.. it is not even a particularly fertile one or worthwhile one. It requires more effort than it is worth.. unless you make money on it say.
It is a matter of economy.. you guys spent too much of your free time on something of little or no imaginative or.. any other.. value.
lazs
-
It is a matter of economy.. you guys spent too much of your free time on something of little or no imaginative or.. any other.. value.
lazs
And you spent your time breathing fresh air, losing limbs, running drugs, doing drugs, and just being a scumbag thug by your own admission. No imagination, no value, and good for nothing. You're funny. Most of your old friends are dead or in prison because of that great life style.
Funny that you would make fun of people who just played a game and then try to say that you grew up doing worthwhile things.
-
DD may have potentially saved some people... especially teens in the 1980s and early 90s when most people at that time were doing...
drugs/alcohol/cigarettes
selling drugs
joining gangs
unprotected sex (therefore getting AIDS)
gangbanging
hustlin'
pimpin'
....and various activities like htese.
As long as geeks do their "thing" (be it playing D&D, doing computer programing at home, cosplaying, going to Star Trek conventions :devil) and do well in school... life's good. I would rather see these people exercise their brains with DD than let it waste away by doing the activities mentioned above.
PS: My anti-drug during the 90s was basketball. To me it served the same purpose as DD. I studied and applied some of the signature moves from Magic Johnson, Dr J (Julius Erving), Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan in my play :D
And lasz~ I can't believe this guy... still insisting that anime/manga is "akin to pedfiles". Anime and manga is simply a Japanese Entertainment-Industrial Complex that serves the same purpose as HOLLYWOOD. You've been debunked many times over this.
-
nuke.. there is nothing wrong with using your imagination outdoors.. it is no less good for you than dressing up like a princess in some basement and learning what spells to cast to get some armor or some such.
It might even be a little more of a stretch of the old noggin to learn to get along with men (and even women!!!) who don't think exactly like you.. who may even have a predispositon to dislike you... It might teach you to use your imagination when talking to real people instead of pretend elves and trolls and.. fat guys pretending to be a princess.
It may be worthwhile to learn some outdoor skills instead.
Now.. I am not saying that a tiny little fraction of the princesses and elves did not do something worthwhile.. learned programing or whatever but they sure didn't need the game to do that.
mg42.. I never insisted on anything.. I just pointed out the obvious that any man who is into seeing cartoons where the characters are childlike with large breasts and objects of sexual attraction are... by defenition... pedophiles..
I was told in the thread that I was wrong about the characters in anime and to prove it... I was treated to dozens of pics of children with big boobs who were the center of adult male lust. your avatar for one as a sidenote.
lazs
-
nuke.. there is nothing wrong with using your imagination outdoors.. it is no less good for you than dressing up like a princess in some basement and learning what spells to cast to get some armor or some such. *or flight sim pilit*
It might even be a little more of a stretch of the old noggin to learn to get along with men (and even women!!!) who don't think exactly like you.. who may even have a predispositon to dislike you... It might teach you to use your imagination when talking to real people instead of pretend elves and trolls and.. fat guys pretending to be a princess. *or N00Bs, Dweebs or Squeakers*
It may be worthwhile to learn some outdoor skills instead. *GV's ?*
Now.. I am not saying that a tiny little fraction of the princesses and elves did not do something worthwhile.. learned programing or whatever but they sure didn't need the game to do that. *Join Mission!!!*
mg42.. I never insisted on anything.. I just pointed out the obvious that any man who is into seeing cartoons where the characters are childlike with large breasts and objects of sexual attraction are... by defenition... pedophiles.. *Dammit Jim, I'm a Cartoon Pilit.*
I was told in the thread that I was wrong about the characters in anime and to prove it... I was treated to dozens of pics of children with big boobs who were the center of adult male lust. your avatar for one as a sidenote. *savin Perk Points for a ME 262*
lazs
just some fun added in red
"Attention Ladies and Gentlemen the Dragon has left the Dungeon."
*tongue in cheek humor, that is all*
-
This whole beating up on D&D kinda reminds me of something that happened at the AW 2001 CON.There was a group at the hotel at the same time for some RPG game.When one of them would walk around with their arms crossed over their chests they were in their game "Invisable" I remember one of the idiots we had playing AW at the time bumping into a guy and saying "I didnt see you." Funny thing,A guy pretending to be an Ace from WW2 busting on a guy pretending to be invisableOh the irony. :rolleyes:
-
I remember hearing about that at the 2002 AH con. I thought it was hilarious, actually :)
-
Hmmm...lets see...
Everyone knows D&D...
Who remembers,Top Secret, Gamma World, Champions?
-
It might even be a little more of a stretch of the old noggin to learn to get along with men (and even women!!!) who don't think exactly like you.. who may even have a predispositon to dislike you... It might teach you to use your imagination when talking to real people instead of pretend elves and trolls and.. fat guys pretending to be a princess.
lazs
Now that's a good one, Laz, as you are the model for someone that tries to get along with people that don't think exactly like yourself.
I guess your Idea of a good time was just being a thug, riding crappy bikes, getting in fights and watching your friends die.....maybe doing drugs and terrorizing people. What a great fun times, fond memories.
I did things like build rc planes, work in my darkroom, photography, taught myself how to play guitar and bass, joined a band, and interacted with more different types of people than you probably ever did as a young man. I did things that did not hurt other people and that were just good, clean fun. What did you do? Get a Nazi tattoo and beat someone up?
So, unless there is a reason that I missed, why is it that you have even commented in this thread? Maybe you are just trying to get along with people that don't think exactly like you. Maybe I missed that part.
As far as D&D goes, I think it is was a great game. We didn't dress up or even act out anything. It was a game, like Pongo said, was run by one person who acted the part of today's computers pretty much. But you have no idea what it's about, judging by your posts.
-
nuke.. I am not sure what your point is.. you don't have to smootch butt to get along or interact with people... look at all the reactions I am getting here. Not only that but people are thinking and explaining. they may change my mind even..
That is if they even had a frigging clue. Nope.. just by listening to the princesses that have posted so far.. it looks like I was not far off the mark. Nothing new has been revealed even tho you have been challenged.
It is not any more imaginative than an infinite number of other things a person could do. It is near the bottom for learning any useful skill or thinking.
It is isolationist in that it needs to be hidden away so that no one but a believer sees you doing it lest they laugh their butt off at you.
AH has it's warts but it is something that you can take or leave.. you can participate at any level.. for instance.. despite
AWmack's projection.. most don't use all the tools in AH. I don't do GV or madz missunz nor.. do I care about field capture or strat or "winning the war". I don't use perk point's... I have like 20,000 of em.
Others.. probably former princesses and elves... go for the whole "strat" game in AH and live in the world for days online.
lazs
-
This whole beating up on D&D kinda reminds me of something that happened at the AW 2001 CON.There was a group at the hotel at the same time for some RPG game.When one of them would walk around with their arms crossed over their chests they were in their game "Invisable" I remember one of the idiots we had playing AW at the time bumping into a guy and saying "I didnt see you." Funny thing,A guy pretending to be an Ace from WW2 busting on a guy pretending to be invisableOh the irony. :rolleyes:
Is it possible this happened twice, or are you thinking of the 98 WB con? Ironic or no, seeing Snail rolling a luggage cart through the lobby with a couple of "dead" pile-its on it, banging on it, then shouting "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD" was perhaps one of the funniest things I've ever witnessed. :rofl
-
Ah.. but I really don't know anyone in AH that thinks he is a WWII ace.. or an ace of any kind.. I haven't really met any AH players that think they are a WWII ace even while they are playing much less running down the halls with their arms spread out and making airplane noises.
Course.. we do invite real aces and WWII pilots to speak and we interact with them.. they even play the game to see what it is..
I suppose that you guys may have invited real fairies or princesses to speak at your DD meets.. or real vampires at the other deals.
lazs
-
I haven't really met any AH players that think they are a WWII ace even while they are playing much less running down the halls with their arms spread out and making airplane noises.
...I do that :confused:
-
xbat.. I salute you for your service and admire your courage for admitting in public that you ever played D&D..
An all male barracks does seem to be the perfect place for it tho.. who got to play the princess?
lazs
Lazs..your a dick but i luv ya man. Too funny <S>.
Keep it up.... :)
-
Ah.. but I really don't know anyone in AH that thinks he is a WWII ace.. or an ace of any kind..
I never met anyone in D&D who thought they were a princess or an elf.
-
No one ever played the part of *princess* in any groups I ever played in. In fact, I'd have packed up my stuff and ran like I just looted a plasma screen tv if anyone had wanted to play a princess! :lol
-
I never met anyone in D&D who thought they were a princess or an elf.
Out of all the people I played DnD with, I only ever met one person that was messed up in the brain enough to think they were actually their character. Interestingly enough, it was a human wizard that he thought he was.
-
well.. I was talking about vampires but...
Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf? How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?
lazs
-
well.. I was talking about vampires but...
Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf? How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?
lazs
You've got it all wrong Lazs.....we didn't pretend to be anything, at least I didn't and neither did the groups I played with, except for that one guy.
-
Just for the hell of it, I was looking up Dungeons and Dragons conventions. I saw a bunch of pictures of some large gatherings of players. They looked exactly like the same kind of people you'd see in any of the AW/ AH con pictures...only more women and kids were in the mix.
Not one picture I found of a D&D get together had anyone in a costume. Mostly people just at tables with some dice and some soft drinks playing a board game.
I was going post them here, but then thought that it doesn't really matter. Some people just think what they think an that's it.
I get a kick out of Laz, but I don't think he really has an informed idea about the game. And I know he "challeged" us to give him one, but that's not the topic here. Laz didn't come here to learn anything...he came here to make fun of people who played the game.
-
I think that you guys are so defensive that you aren't reading what I am writing...
The genre does not interest me. fairies and elves and dragons (well... maybe a dragon) and princesses and things that cheat the rules.. magic and spells and wizards and trolls and such..
Unless you somehow made money of the dorks who love that crap then you were wasting your time... I think that many (correct me if I am wrong) spent hundreds of hours a month doing something almost completely worthless in every way... socially and in the VAST world of learning and imagination.. time that was wasted that could have been used much much better... or,
as nuke likes to point out.. in my case maybe not so much better for say....society.. but, I believe...real life experiance.. any real life outdoor experience with a variety of people and places is vastly superior to sitting on your duff and creating a fantasy world with no value.
I think that defending such a thing in any other way than "I couldn't think of anything else to do and was afraid to go outside" is silly.
And.. there is nothing really wrong with that defense.. as teens we all were awkward and scared...
What is bad is the revisionist way it is being treated here.
If it was so valuable then why are you not still doing it?
lazs
-
Laz, what I think that you are not getting is that most of us look back at the game with fond memories because it was fun and it was only a game. We didn't dress up or at out like fairies and princesses. No one that I knew did anyway.What more you want to read into it is your problem. I played the game and had fun, then moved on.
The game is actually very complex and requires some intelligence and a lot of creativity to play it. You actually have to write a story for each "game" and describe in detail the setting.
You keep begging for a comparison between what you did as a young man by asking what people like me did.... and then mocking it.
For instance: if what you did was so worthwhile, why don't you still do it?
Hope this helps.
-
Oh, but I am still "doing it" to a large extent.. I still ride and drive hot rods and work on em and the skills I learned by traveling to far off places and meeting all sorts of people who ranged from liking me to hating me to trying to kill me still serves me well..
learning to work on cars and bikes and paint and weld and troubleshoot all.. still serve me well.
just the other day..and it happens a lot.. I took the girlfriend for a ride and showed her a place that I was familiar with but hadn't seen in 30 years.
I think actually seeing strange places and people builds an experiance that serves me well to this day.
I know lots of people who are afraid to experience new things because they never did as teens... I was fortunate enough to have a .... ah.... "rich" life experience.
I have taken a lot of practical things from those days.. I have not only learned what worked for me but... what didn't.
I could use a few less broken bones and broken marriages but.... wouldn't trade any of it for the world.
lazs
-
well.. I was talking about vampires but...
Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf? How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?
lazs
I know a Bandito that used to play a Wizard in D&D. Good Magic: The Gathering player too.
-
learning to work on cars and bikes and paint and weld and troubleshoot all.. still serve me well.
lazs
I can do all those things... and more,yet I played D&D. I'm afraid your stereotype is off the mark, Lazs.
-
Unless you somehow made money of the dorks who love that crap then you were wasting your time... I think that many (correct me if I am wrong) spent hundreds of hours a month doing something almost completely worthless in every way... socially and in the VAST world of learning and imagination.. time that was wasted that could have been used much much better... or,
Laz, you keep digging a deeper hole. Are you wasting your time being a top poster on this internet board? Are you wasting your time playing aces high? Are you making money off of us dorks? If not, it is a waste in every way.
I guess your world is VASTLY more enlightened. Please post some more about D&D, it's getting better and better each time you do.
-
steve... maybe you should have spent a little more time on reading comprehension.
I did not say that you couldn't learn outside of dd.. I said that the time you spent was wasted and could have been better used on "real life version 1.1"
Whatever you know now would have been more if you hadn't wasted the princess and elf time with zit faced losers in a basement learning nothing about anything except other kids just as screwed up.
Of course you can survive it and.. even thrive in later life but that would be in spite of dd not because of it.
nuke doesn't get it either.. he feels that pure recreation is not a waste.. that is true to some extent but... recreation that you get some exercise is better for kids than sedentary for instance.. this BB is better than a dd session because it really is simply.. a way to interact and get real world information.. at least as good as the best news source I have ever seen. even the best.. you only get one side.
AH.. is sedentary and pure entertainment. I believe that for adults... ones who are fully formed and need some escape.. a little is a good thing.. much better than TV say... for kids.. probly a lot better than dd since you are getting some history and interacting with people from all over the planet with all sorts of age groups... but.. not as good as getting some frigging fresh air.
The world of princesses and trolls is a waste.. pure and simple... the only excuse for the new gen of dd the wow guys or evercrak guys is.. they claim it is something they can do with their wife/girlfriend.. pretty weak but.. better than most excuses I have heard. the genre sucks.. it is a huge waste. I can think of nothing more removed from reality and more useless except as a place to hide.
If you really need the escape.. then a little is probly ok but realize.. that you could have made better use of your recreational time.
lazs
-
steve... maybe you should have spent a little more time on reading comprehension.
I did not say that you couldn't learn outside of dd.. I said that the time you spent was wasted and could have been better used on "real life version 1.1"
So teenagers should spend every waking minute doing something productive? They should have no forms of entertainment whatsoever? Seems to me you don't like/understand the genre so you ignorantly assume it is a bad thing.
Some of the most successful and intelligent people have played the game. Steven Hawking is one. I could name several more. I can't think of many felons that did, though. I bet you know of plenty felons, including yourself, who didn't play.
-
Man, what to say?
What about other games? Like Chess, Cards and any other game?
D&D is pretty complex and you had to be pretty intelligent to learn to play it correctly.
-
Laz's older brother was a mean dungeon master :P
-
Also Laz, D&D involves a lot of reading, math as well as writing and story telling and problem solving. It's interactive and social.
Those are things not often found in a game.
And no matter how much you keep telling us that it is worthless, I'd still say that you are just ignorant of the subject.
-
I don't know how much intelligence it takes to play dd but you guys did it so it can't take much. You can't even read and comprehend a simple post... you are unable to make rational arguements or conclusions.. you conclude that since a couple of people are doing well who also once played dd then.. it must be a way to the top.
you guys keep attributing arguements to me that I have not made. I never said kids/people don't need entertainment but... kids especially need to interact with more than a few like minded zit boys and they need fresh air and sunshine and to move those muscles.
I think that you will find far more that played dd that wasted hundreds of hours a month.. to their social and physical detrement than ever became rich and famous.. Like having a garage band but.. without the skills.
Any tiny bit of good that came from it was nothing compared to a myriad of other things you could have done.
at least it was relatively harmless if not done to excess.
lazs
-
Hey Laz
All I have really said was that it is a game. It requires reading and math skills. It's not worthless, it's only a game and a good game. Nothing harmful about it. Just like playing Chess or any other game.
What is your main point, really? The point I take is that you don't like the game. You have said that over and over and over. I think we get it.
Now when you started telling us how much of a waste it is, then defend what you did for fun, well that's just too easy to pass up.
-
D&D was a blast, such a fun exercise of imagination. I still buy the books sometimes just to read em. Not to brag or anything, more to shoot more holes in that D&D stereotype: In high school I was playing in good bands and getting "chicks" with the best of em. And shooting pretend airplanes on the computer ain't that different then stabbing a troll with a sword in a complex tabletop game. I'm lucky I guess, I can enjoy a whole spectrum of things. Skydiving and target shooting my SKS and other "manly" things along with taking a "geeky" adventure in the mind with some buddies or reading a book.
-
Laz's older brother was a mean dungeon master :P
Thats probably his issue- the older kids wouldn't let him play with them, so he blames them and people like them for all the worlds problems. I've never seen anybody so bound and determined to label everyone who isn't exactly like him by stupid stereotypes and adamantly refuse to rethink his stance no matter what.
Oh wait, yes I have... most of them live in small single-bed rooms with a steel toilet/sink combo and wear large swatikas tatooed somewhere on their torso. They also sport green jumpsuits and are referred to by cell numbers instead of names.