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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: trax1 on March 13, 2008, 04:31:55 AM
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Was at the doctors office today and was reading a car magazine when I came across this, Dodge is coming back out with the Challenger, it looks alot like the old Challenger, it even comes in Hemi orange. Starting price on it though is $40,000, but if I had the money I would definitely buy one.
http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/ (http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/)
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I'm never wasting my money on a Mopar again. Right Bronk? ;)
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Was at the doctors office today and was reading a car magazine when I came across this, Dodge is coming back out with the Challenger, it looks alot like the old Challenger, it even comes in Hemi orange. Starting price on it though is $40,000, but if I had the money I would definitely buy one.
http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/ (http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/)
The local dealer told me he's already got every last one that was headed his way bought, with some people paying 5k over sticker.
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I'm never wasting my money on a Mopar again. Right Bronk? ;)
It's mopar or no car. :aok
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Base Curb Weight [lb] - with Automatic Transmission [lb] 4140
HOLY ****!!!!!!
Needs to go on a diet, STAT!!
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how many yards per gallon?
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That thing is wayyyyy over priced. I get those HP and torque numbers with less weight and a lot less money in my GTO. However, I do like that Orange. I hope that when Chevy releases the new Camaro, they have "Hugger Orange" available, if so I am buying one. If not, then I am perfectly happy driving my GTO around town.
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The retro remake attempts are like trying to drink water from a sieve.
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how many yards per gallon?
13 MPG in city driving. What a great idea of a car to bring to market as gas is nearing $4.00 a gallon.
No wonder Chrysler went bankrupt.
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The first thing that I think about when looking for a hot rod is gas mileage.
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(http://FilthsHangar.homestead.com/car.jpg)
I like the Crager rims on it. (front..couldnt find a good pic to slap on rear)
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I really like the new Challenger and Charger.
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I think if you can afford a $40'000 car, you're not really worried about $4 a gallon.
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I think if you can afford a $40'000 car, you're not really worried about $4 a gallon.
Exactly, if you can afford to drop $40,000(and thats just base price), gas prices aren't that big a deal for you.
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The old wheels look a lot better than the new modern ones..
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My only concern is... is this gonna have live rear axle (or even rear drum brakes to cut cost :uhoh)? :D
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The base pirce WILL NOT BE $40,000 for the new Challenger. 40K is the base price of the SRT8, the top of the line Chellenger with the hi HP engine. Think along the lines of Chrisler with the 300: , 300 touring, 300 C, 300 SRT8.
My guess is that they are shooting for Mustang territory, so you might even find a 25K Challenger V6, surely a base V8 Challenger 28K, a Challenger R/T 33K ... and the "mighty" SRT8 for 40K.
My 2 cts.
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13 MPG in city driving. What a great idea of a car to bring to market as gas is nearing $4.00 a gallon.
No wonder Chrysler went bankrupt.
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Go fire up your toaster.
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The local dealer told me he's already got every last one that was headed his way bought, with some people paying 5k over sticker.
For a car geared at the rear diff. with a 3.06? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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For a car geared at the rear diff. with a 3.06? :rofl :rofl :rofl
Yeah. But with the 5 speed tranny, You actually gear really deep if you go much under 3.06. My '07 R/T Charger has 2.82's, but with all the gears, It doesn't hurt off the line. However, my car will lug in top gear if you're not careful...
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Yeah. But with the 5 speed tranny, You actually gear really deep if you go much under 3.06. My '07 R/T Charger has 2.82's, but with all the gears, It doesn't hurt off the line. However, my car will lug in top gear if you're not careful...
Damn, I'm stuck with 3.92s with my 4speed auto. :devil
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Damn, I'm stuck with 3.92s with my 4speed auto. :devil
I personally feel that Chrysler should have given a 6-speed manual option. My one beef with my car now, is the Tranny, and the governing electronincs.
The Transmission does not shift very fast, or very hard, even at WOT. It's a luxury-car transmission in the wrong application. The electronics' that govern the car limit a lot of what you can do, in terms of driving. If you drive hard into a turn, you can't use the engine's power to your advantage, because the traction control system cuts' the throttle to keep from spinning the wheels, so you can't induce any kind of oversteer with the rear-wheels. The Trac. control system hinders' the driveability of the car, IMHO.
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The Transmission does not shift very fast, or very hard, even at WOT. It's a luxury-car transmission in the wrong application.
Had the same problem. Fixed that with better valvebody and hypertech programmer. It will now grab 3rds at wot.
But I wouldn't tear apart an 07 to fix it.
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by far sickest car i ever owned, topped it out at 140 plus, it had a 340, 6 years i beat this car,drove it from one side of the country to the other (couple times), it took me from derry NH, to florida in 17 hrs. it never let me down, i beat so many other cars in races couldnt even begin to tell ya how many, i lost three times, all to MOPARS.
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13 MPG in city driving. What a great idea of a car to bring to market as gas is nearing $4.00 a gallon.
No wonder Chrysler went bankrupt.
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Compared with Gasoline......
Think a gallon of gas is expensive?
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 ... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ..........$9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 .... $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ......... $10.00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ......... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .. $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ...... . $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 .....$84.48 per gallon
And this is the REAL KICK ER...
Evian water 9 oz $1.49..........$21.19 per gallon!
$21.19 for WATER
and the buyers don't even know the source
(Evian spelled backwards is Naive.)
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My only concern is... is this gonna have live rear axle (or even rear drum brakes to cut cost :uhoh)? :D
BTW...It's live, but with the over-zealous Trac. control, You can't really utilize it.
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fixed :)
how many gallons per yard?
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with the torque put out, 3.08s arent bad (my TRUCK has 2.73s in the back). A 6 speed man is offered with the SRT8. HOWEVER, its an open differential. Only thing keeping wheelspin in check is a computer.
Personally i cant wait for the new camaro. Itll be cheaper, lighter, have a independent rear suspension, and a limited slip. plus with cylider deactivation it should get 25 to 27 on the interstate.
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Looks nice. I also like the charger ~ with the grill that looks like chain mail. And the little windows that look like slits in a knights visor.
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with the torque put out, 3.08s arent bad (my TRUCK has 2.73s in the back). A 6 speed man is offered with the SRT8. HOWEVER, its an open differential. Only thing keeping wheelspin in check is a computer.
Personally i cant wait for the new camaro. Itll be cheaper, lighter, have a independent rear suspension, and a limited slip. plus with cylider deactivation it should get 25 to 27 on the interstate.
Many LS1 users are already getting that and more. Some Corvette owners are reporting 30 mpg highway driving. Right now mine's averaging 24. Not bad for having 330+ hp.
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Exactly, if you can afford to drop $40,000(and thats just base price), gas prices aren't that big a deal for you.
I disagree. The RV industry is being hit hard right now. Some companies are reporting anywhere from a 15 to 20% drop off in sales. The biggest manufacturer here in Oregon just laid off 8% of their employees yesterday.
A lot of RV's cost over $100,000, much more than a Challenger. Besides the cost of gas, we have rampant inflation taking place that is making a lot of stuff cost more. Unemployment is up, and many people are having a hard time paying their mortgages.
A performance car is a luxury. And in recessions, people tend to cut back on buying luxury items.
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Well, SIG, put it to you this way; it ain't exactly poor people that are dropping over 100 large on something as minimally usefull as an RV or 40 large on an over-weight 425 hp muscle car that gets 13 mpg...with a tail wind going downhill and left in neutral.
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Well, SIG, put it to you this way; it ain't exactly poor people that are dropping over 100 large on something as minimally usefull as an RV or 40 large on an over-weight 425 hp muscle car that gets 13 mpg...with a tail wind going downhill and left in neutral.
Then why are sales down so much, and our local manufacturer having to lay off employees?? Some RV buyers must be feeling squeezed.
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Not just RV buyers, but you don't buy an RV and not expect to pay at the pump. I don't think the sales are off ONLY because of gas prices. There's a lot of economic uncertainty right now and I think most people are hedging thier bets. Once it's back in order you bet RV sales will pick back up. No matter how much we squeak about gas prices here in the U.S. it is still far, far cheaper than most anywhere else in the world.
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Here's the whole story...
From OPB News (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_RV_LAYOFFS_OROL-?SITE=KOPB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Mar 13, 4:26 AM EDT
Country Coach announces layoffs at Ore. plant
COBURG, Ore. (AP) -- Country Coach handed pink slips to 8 percent of its work force because of deteriorating market conditions.
The manufacturer of high-end motor homes declined to say the exact number of workers losing their jobs. But based on the most recent company statements about the size of its work force, the layoff affects about 100 people.
Company spokesman Matt Howard told The Register Guard newspaper that Country Coach needs to ensure it has the right number of employees for the market.
"We look at the industry hopefully being at the bottom of the curve and being ready for a resurgence," he said.
The RV industry as a whole saw sales fall 17 percent in January, according to market watcher Statistical Surveys. Gasoline prices have hit record highs recently, likely hurting business. The home mortgage crisis also affects RV makers because many buyers rely on home equity to finance the purchase of a motor home.
After years of job gains, Lane County's RV industry has retrenched in recent years. The transportation equipment sector - comprised mostly of RV makers - lost 400 jobs in 2006 and 300 jobs in 2007, dropping to about 4,100 total jobs, according to the state Employment Security Department.
Besides Country Coach, Lane County is home to Marathon Coach and Monaco Coach.
If you're in the financial situation where you're relying on the equity in your home to buy the RV, then gas is probably a consideration. If you're dropping 100k out-of-pocket on an RV or 40k on a Challenger, you're not likely to give a crap what the cost of gas is.
In purchase price and operating cost though, a $100k RV isn't even in the same ballpark as a $40k muscle car.
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The base pirce WILL NOT BE $40,000 for the new Challenger. 40K is the base price of the SRT8, the top of the line Chellenger with the hi HP engine.
My 2 cts.
exactly correct.
I happen to be one of "the idiots" who is on an official wait list for this car........and has been since 2006. I'm certainly not a fan of buying any first year model.......but I think the Challenger SRT8 will be a very valuable car...and one hell of a ride. the original base is nowhere near what the car is bringing in now...it's really the hype..which I did not expect at this level..... that has this thing over-valued...but I still want it...
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The ONLY Challenger I know of, to be released within the next two years, IS the SRT8. No, V6, no SXT, nothing. Just the SRT8.
Bottom line, the Magnum engines are a pile and their transmissions are still weak. No Dodge is worth more $40,000, with the exception of the Viper.
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everything is worth EXACTLY what people are willing to pay for it...no more...no less.
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everything is worth EXACTLY what people are willing to pay for it...no more...no less.
Paying over the sticker price for this? No, I'm sorry, it isn't worth it.
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Paying over the sticker price for this? No, I'm sorry, it isn't worth it.
your thinking is flawed.
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your thinking is flawed.
Not at all.
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I think it might not be worth it to YOU.... but as a person who will not be buying the car....you have no direct influence on the price. thusly...."exact worth" is ALWAYS dictated by EXACTLY how much someone is willing to pay for it.
the same can be said about all of us. when people complain that they do not earn enough...I tell them that thay are paid EXACTLY what they are worth....no more, no less. that's a fact, jack.
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"jack"? It's not my name and to pay $40k+ for a two-door Charger is hilarious.
Better hope the paper thin oil pan holds up on that "Hemi". Ford's Dynamometer Lab stopped allowing DCX to rent out a test cell in 2004 because of the cheap 6.1.
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"jack"? It's not my name
:noid :salute
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:noid :salute
:D :rock
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"jack"? It's not my name and to pay $40k+ for a two-door Charger is hilarious.
Better hope the paper thin oil pan holds up on that "Hemi". Ford's Dynamometer Lab stopped allowing DCX to rent out a test cell in 2004 because of the cheap 6.1.
(http://members.aol.com/kdodgethis/images/new%20challenger%201.jpg)
I'll dumb it down. you're confusing "worthwhile" with "worth".
I'm here to help.
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(http://members.aol.com/kdodgethis/images/new%20challenger%201.jpg)
I'll dumb it down. you're confusing "worthwhile" with "worth".
I'm here to help.
Nothing to dumb down on my end. I talk facts.
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Nothing to dumb down on my end. I talk facts.
yeah. ...your "two-door charger" line was a dead give-away.
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Masherbrum at a recent dyno-test.
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I still like my turbo Buicks
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yeah. ...your "two-door charger" line was a dead give-away.
The Challenger is a Charger body with 2 less doors, and sheetmetal to fill in some gaps. If you are trying to tell me that every interview with the Desginers are false, then show me a source that says otherwise.
"Although the Challenger’s two-door sheetmetal is sexier than that of the 300C or Dodge Charger SRT8, the foundations—minus four inches of wheelbase—are essentially identical to those of the sedans."
"For one thing, side-impact standards keep getting tougher all the time, and we had to compensate for losing that beefy Charger B-pillar,” says Heuschele. “But the real answer is that when you chop the wheelbase on a Charger you still have a Charger." - Eric Heuschele, manager of vehicle development at Chrysler’s Street and Racing Technology (SRT).
Anything else? Again, I deal in facts.
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Well, the real thing threatening the new Challenger is the fact that when it was first birthed, Chrysler was owned by D-B; A car company that was used to selling lower volume, but Higher quality cars. Now, right at the time of the Challengers' release, Chrysler's been sold to Citigroup. And one of the first things' they are doing, is to cut the product line, and number of dealerships, nearly in half. Which I'm guessing here, but the Challenger looks' like it might get the axe, due to things' like sales. It's kinda wait and see, but it won't suprise me to see the Challenger, and some other cars' go. Maybe all of the SRT cars. We just have to wait and see.