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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 11, 2008, 10:25:49 AM
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That's my theory, gang initiations. Certainly seems like many shootings recently....
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080411/D8VVBL000.html
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I'm with you on that one Ripsnort.
P.S. That would be my first thought anyway.
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If the movies have taught me anything, it's that this is obviously the work of an international syndicate who is killing 'random' people as part of a plot to divert attention from their upcoming heist of a well protected relic enroute to the museum. Of course, when police think to map all the shooting locations, they'll find that it draws a Sumerian character that ties into an obscure cult. The police captain won't believe the detective who finds this and will assign him to parking ticket duties or something because he's "crossed the line one too many times", but the detective will stake out the most likely next location based on the final part of the Sumerian symbol. Because he's not there officially, he'll be helped by his spunky friend the electronic genius who will help him booby trap the intersection. etc, etc, etc, the rest is pretty standard police fare, especially the high speed chase through the LA River system.
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Amazing how so many of you can get alarmed over this, and then brag about how you carry a gun (illegally BTW) in your car. My solution? Make transport of a loaded, concealed weapon an automatic 10 years in prison.
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If the movies have taught me anything, it's that this is obviously the work of an international syndicate who is killing 'random' people as part of a plot to divert attention from their upcoming heist of a well protected relic enroute to the museum. Of course, when police think to map all the shooting locations, they'll find that it draws a Sumerian character that ties into an obscure cult. The police captain won't believe the detective who finds this and will assign him to parking ticket duties or something because he's "crossed the line one too many times", but the detective will stake out the most likely next location based on the final part of the Sumerian symbol. Because he's not there officially, he'll be helped by his spunky friend the electronic genius who will help him booby trap the intersection. etc, etc, etc, the rest is pretty standard police fare, especially the high speed chase through the LA River system.
:rofl
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Airhead, who brags about illegally carrying guns in our cars? I see a lot of CCW holders on here. Also, if the woman had been armed, perhaps she could have defended herself, we don't know how much notice she had yet.
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Amazing how so many of you can get alarmed over this, and then brag about how you carry a gun (illegally BTW) in your car. My solution? Make transport of a loaded, concealed weapon an automatic 10 years in prison.
The transport of a loaded concealed weapon without a permit is already a prison sentence, not sure how long the sentence is, howeverr the problem is that the current gun laws are not enforced enough. Too much plea bargaining goes on, and your jails are over capacity at this point.
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The "san francisco" freeway shooting was on 80 in richmond. Richmond is a toejamhole. I would not willingly get off the freeway there. Much worse then oakland.
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airhead has a point.
It is difficult tho to compare in any reasonable way, the otherwise law abiding citizen who carries a gun (legally or otherwise) with the sole intent of self defense against what is an obviously criminal element and.. that of a criminal who carries a gun with the only intent of using it to kill or rob from others.
How do you sepperate the two?
You can't really because the law is bad.
If a law abiding citizen in kalifornia goes to obtain a permit to carry a firearm for defense.. he is turned down. If he wishes to defend himself and his family he must break the law. The law creates criminals where none need be.
If the law was such that it were fair.. if getting a permit to carry was reasonable then it would be unreasonable to break the law.
simple stuff really.. most other states see it.
lazs
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That's my theory, gang initiations. Certainly seems like many shootings recently....
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080411/D8VVBL000.html
The attacks remained unsolved but officials say they are unrelated.
"There's really no pattern, they seem just random,"
2 in SF area, 1 in San Diego and 2 in LA. This is like saying there was a spate of shootings in South Carolina, Washington DC and New Jersey. I wonder if it's a pattern?
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2 in SF area, 1 in San Diego and 2 in LA. This is like saying there was a spate of shootings in South Carolina, Washington DC and New Jersey. I wonder if it's a pattern?
I have to agree. California is so crime ridden with gangs and frequent shootings everywhere this probably isn't organized. How's that unconstitutional gun control working out for them there? About like DC I suspect.
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Amazing how so many of you can get alarmed over this, and then brag about how you carry a gun (illegally BTW) in your car. My solution? Make transport of a loaded, concealed weapon an automatic 10 years in prison.
That would be a simple solution, Airhead...It only has two problems.
1.) Being as an automobile is private property, It would be hard to get that one to stick, being as it smacks' as unconstitutional.
2.) Obviously, no matter how many laws' you get on the books, someone's not gonna give a rat's bellybutton about breakin' them. Those
people are commonly referred to as 'criminals'. They have various motives' to break said laws, but it all boils down to just this:
Any law, no matter how it's worded, where it's implemented, or how severe the penalty, is only words' on paper unless they are
ABIDED BY. However, statistics' show that criminals' do not abide by laws, they break them.
They used to have Freeway shooting's all the time. Still do. To tell the truth, this might be gang related, might not. The Girl in the story might have been a sister, cousin, neice, etc. of someone who was running in a gang. It might have been an initiation. Hard to tell at this point, they have to dig deeper into her background, as well as following any other clues.
BTW, the 110 runs' through some of the rough South-central LA neighborhoods. Whenever I have a job down there, I tuck my peice under the seat. That's Compton, Watts, Vernon, South Gate, and the Northern part of Long Beach, and a little bit of Inglewood. If you go down there, go smart, Having some insurance under the seat isn't gonna hurt.
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I How's that unconstitutional gun control working out for them there?
How should I know. I live in Idaho where cities pass laws REQUIRING gun ownership.
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How should I know. I live in Idaho where cities pass laws REQUIRING gun ownership.
hiddely ho neighbor
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2 in SF area, 1 in San Diego and 2 in LA. This is like saying there was a spate of shootings in South Carolina, Washington DC and New Jersey. I wonder if it's a pattern?
It could be, if it was one of the large organizations' like MS 13. Testing their ability to work in conjuction in more than one city at once...?
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But which gang to join?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350249,00.html
A couple can't agree on which gang their 4-year-old toddler should join.
A fight about the decision led to a public disturbance with the father's arrest. Joseph Manzanares went to the video store where his girlfriend worked, threatened to kill her and knocked over several video displays, police told KMGH Denver.
Police arrested Manzanares at his home, Commerce City police Sgt. Joe Sandoval told KMGH Denver.
The girlfriend told authorities they were fighting over which gang their son should join. The girlfriend, who is black, is a member of the Crips while Manzanares, who is Hispanic, belongs to the Westside Ballers.
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I live on this street, not too far from Nampa MT. When we go to Walmart it's the one in Nampa.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=n.+christian+way+meridian+id&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,81.914062&ie=UTF8&ll=43.631882,-116.459466&spn=0.005459,0.009999&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.632713,-116.46006
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I'm sure kalifornia loses alot of business because of their laws where only criminals can have guns. My inlaws were traveling the country last summer and decided against going into the kali zone because of their laws against upstanding citizens with ccw. They turned north and just considered kali a foreign country. They were on a 3 month tour.
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I live on this street, not too far from Nampa MT. When we go to Walmart it's the one in Nampa.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=n.+christian+way+meridian+id&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,81.914062&ie=UTF8&ll=43.631882,-116.459466&spn=0.005459,0.009999&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.632713,-116.46006
You are about 11 miles from my house, I'm on the south side of Nampa. If you know where the fish hatchery is I'm very close to that. You're probably going to the Walmart on the Garrity exit, next to Sams Club and the Idaho Center. I have one much closer to my house, but we go to Garrity sometimes when we feel like an doing Sams or for auto work. Their tire center guys are great to deal with.
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Airhead,
Last time I heard, shooting someone unlawfully and killing them was already against the law. If the presence of a law was a deterrent, they would already have been deterred.
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I think it is definitely gang initiations, I live in Northern Virginia and the violent Hispanic gang MS13 is starting to become widespread. For an initiation some sects of the gang drive at night with their lights off, when someone flashes theirs at them they pull a U-turn and fallow the people and .
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and if you forward this mail to all your friends, Bill Gates will send you $50 for each person and
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I think it is definitely gang initiations, I live in Northern Virginia and the violent Hispanic gang MS13 is starting to become widespread. For an initiation some sects of the gang drive at night with their lights off, when someone flashes theirs at them they pull a U-turn and fallow the people and .
Have you ever heard of snopes? Thought not. Try googling it and then looking up your little tale.
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Reading this thread makes me realise that Europe, Japan, Australia - pretty much anywhere - is safer than the US.
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Reading this thread makes me realise that Europe, Japan, Australia - pretty much anywhere - is safer than the US.
If you prefer safety over freedom never dry a car, fly a plane, or play sports. Soviet Russia was probably safer than the US so long as you toed the party line.
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If you prefer safety over freedom never dry a car, fly a plane, or play sports.
Are you saying that they don't drive cars, fly planes, or play sports in the countries I listed as safer than the US?
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Are you saying that they don't drive cars, fly planes, or play sports in the countries I listed as safer than the US?
I bet they don't have near as many gang bangers as we do. Some of those countries won't even allow affiliation with various political parties.
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Amazing how so many of you can get alarmed over this, and then brag about how you carry a gun (illegally BTW) in your car. My solution? Make transport of a loaded, concealed weapon an automatic 10 years in prison.
In my state I can carry a gun in my car...Its legal if you go by the rules...has to be in a locked compatment and in a holster and a ccp
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Yeah, why DO we have so many more gangbangers than those foreign countries?? They don't seem deterred by an armed populace.
Some of those countries won't even allow affiliation with various political parties.
Yeah - like the IRA in Ireland became an illegal organization...
... and the Ku Klux Klan became an illegal organization in the US.
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For an initiation some sects of the gang drive at night with their lights off, when someone flashes theirs at them they pull a U-turn and fallow the people and .
That's been proven to be nothing but utter and complete B.S. and has been an urban legend for about 20 some odd years now
Lights Out! (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp)
ack-ack
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Yeah, why DO we have so many more gangbangers than those foreign countries?? They don't seem deterred by an armed populace.
Yeah - like the IRA in Ireland became an illegal organization...
... and the Ku Klux Klan became an illegal organization in the US.
Huh? The KKK is not illegal in the US. Nor is the neo-nazi party.
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I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended). california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.
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LOL AKiron, thats funny righ there!
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Huh? The KKK is not illegal in the US. Nor is the neo-nazi party.
The KKK was legislated out of existence by the 1871 Civil Rights Act. Same difference?
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The KKK was legislated out of existence by the 1871 Civil Rights Act. Same difference?
They aren't allowed to lynch anyone anymore but they are still alive. http://www.kkk.bz/
Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.
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Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.
Interesting point. The subject of this thread is that a recent spate of killings could be part of a gang initiation process. In other words, you have to commit an illegal act (ie murder) before you get to be a fully fledged member of a gang. Therefore by being a "made" gang member, it follows that you have indeed committed an illegal act, in which case gang membership is illegal, because in order to become a member, you have to have done something illegal. Sorry if i'm starting to sound like Holden McGroin here.
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I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended). california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.
you stole the land from the native americans, go back to spain jose.
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sure!! right after you guys return to england!
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If a law abiding citizen in kalifornia goes to obtain a permit to carry a firearm for defense.. he is turned down. If he wishes to defend himself and his family he must break the law. The law creates criminals where none need be.
If the law was such that it were fair.. if getting a permit to carry was reasonable then it would be unreasonable to break the law.
simple stuff really.. most other states see it.
lazs
Perhaps if all states followed the 2nd Amendment which stated we have the "right to keep and bear arms" the issue of these stupid and illegal laws would be moot.
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I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended). california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.
I'm all for it, then my family could get Angel Island back that we were forced to sell to the US government ^___^
History of Angel Island (http://www.boatingsf.com/region_topic.php?topic=history®ion=angelisland)
ack-ack
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Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.
THAT is sig material. :rofl :aok
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This is just another version of 'Don't hate the sinner, hate the sin', right? ;)
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The transport of a loaded concealed weapon without a permit is already a prison sentence
Not in all states.
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I'm all for it, then my family could get Angel Island back that we were forced to sell to the US government ^___^
History of Angel Island (http://www.boatingsf.com/region_topic.php?topic=history®ion=angelisland)
ack-ack
Looks like they were forced to accept it's acquisition .
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These gangs (like MS13) are the equivalent of domestic terrorism.
Killing people at random for no reason at all makes it that much easier to go kill a rival gang member on orders.
It seems that putting them in prison doesn't do much good as they continue to carry on gang operations there.
It's a real mess, and the law doesn't seem to have a handle on it any time soon.
ROX
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I'm sure kalifornia loses alot of business because of their laws where only criminals can have guns. My inlaws were traveling the country last summer and decided against going into the kali zone because of their laws against upstanding citizens with ccw. They turned north and just considered kali a foreign country. They were on a 3 month tour.
That's too bad- there's alot to see here, and in nearly 60 years I still haven't seen it all. We are the most diverse State, and from Death Valley to Yosemite to the Coast Redwoods to Tahoe there's a beautiful country to explore.
But then again that's the problem we have with our image- people from Middle America- good, God fearing, right wing conservative Christian people- read horror stories about gang shootings, drive bys, etc., and it scares them.
I could suggest to your in laws they skip the tour of Watts and Compton, as there's not much to see there anyway, and instead focus on the natural beauty we have but- why? I gave up trying to educate the ignorant long long ago, so if some people are so fearful, so afraid of visiting California then great- by all means, spend that extra two weeks touring North Dakota or Iowa- there's an awful lot to see in those States, too, if you're into the world's largest ball of string- and avoid California all together. After all, the entire State is controlled by either gang bangers or old hippies.
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That's too bad- there's alot to see here, and in nearly 60 years I still haven't seen it all. We are the most diverse State, and from Death Valley to Yosemite to the Coast Redwoods to Tahoe there's a beautiful country to explore.
But then again that's the problem we have with our image- people from Middle America- good, God fearing, right wing conservative Christian people- read horror stories about gang shootings, drive bys, etc., and it scares them.
I could suggest to your in laws they skip the tour of Watts and Compton, as there's not much to see there anyway, and instead focus on the natural beauty we have but- why? I gave up trying to educate the ignorant long long ago, so if some people are so fearful, so afraid of visiting California then great- by all means, spend that extra two weeks touring North Dakota or Iowa- there's an awful lot to see in those States, too, if you're into the world's largest ball of string- and avoid California all together. After all, the entire State is controlled by either gang bangers or old hippies.
Is Spanish the official language of Kali yet?
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But then again that's the problem we have with our image- people from Middle America- good, God fearing, right wing conservative Christian people- read horror stories about gang shootings, drive bys, etc., and it scares them.
Makes 'em cling to their religion, guns, and illegal alien phobias too.
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Religion is good, guns are fun and illegal aliens are the only way to go if you need help building a fence.
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Religion is good, guns are fun and illegal aliens are the only way to go if you need help building a fence.
You obviously ain't an Obama supporter, except on the building fences part. Of course if he has his way we're gonna need a whole new batch of slaves, er, undocumented workers since those here won't be interested in working for peanuts once they are given amnesty.
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But then again that's the problem we have with our image- people from Middle America- good, God fearing, right wing conservative Christian people- read horror stories about gang shootings, drive bys, etc., and it scares them.
It's not necessary to be good, god fearing or christian to enjoy California. I am none of those things and I've enjoyed my visits enormously. :D
What would help, though, is half a brain to understand the demography and that gangbanging is largely (but not exclusively) confined to urban ghettos. In LA, that would be as you said - Compton, Watts and similar areas. In the SF bay area, it would be the Mission district, the Western Addition, and much of Oakland. But get 50 miles north of SF and you'd be pretty much free of gangbangery right up to the OR state line.
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It's not necessary to be good, god fearing or christian to enjoy California. I am none of those things and I've enjoyed my visits enormously. :D
What would help, though, is half a brain to understand the demography and that gangbanging is largely (but not exclusively) confined to urban ghettos. In LA, that would be as you said - Compton, Watts and similar areas. In the SF bay area, it would be the Mission district, the Western Addition, and much of Oakland. But get 50 miles north of SF and you'd be pretty much free of gangbangery right up to the OR state line.
That's true enough. I used to have to run loads' out of the Oakland-SFO area, took naps' in the sleeper there overnight a few times. Never got bothered, either.
However, the funniest( and most ironic part, too) is that even if you just judge by what other's say on this board, There are parts of Miami, Virginia, Baltimore, Texas, etc. That are even worse than places' in California. I'm thinking that 'urban legends' have really taken root.
I will admit that there are parts' of LA I don't wish to stay in too long. But you find that in every city in the U.S.
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kalifornia is a great place to live so long as you are willing to break a whole lot of stupid laws every single day of your life. Northern kalifornia if much better than communist southern kalifornia.. the state should be split in two.. even in Northern kalifornia tho you need to not be too near any population centers.
people jammed together like rats in crap hole cities make people nutty.. they produce democrats.
lazs
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kalifornia is a great place to live so long as you are willing to break a whole lot of stupid laws every single day of your life. Northern kalifornia if much better than communist southern kalifornia.. the state should be split in two.. even in Northern kalifornia tho you need to not be too near any population centers.
people jammed together like rats in crap hole cities make people nutty.. they produce democrats.
lazs
Lasz, San Fransisco, and Berkely, are in NorCal. LA's a toejamhole, but it's in a dirty, dingy urban sort of way. SF has all the weirdos. Cruise around Haight-Ashbury if you need a reminder.
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I believe that I said that you need to not be too near population centers.. the entire bay area is as bad as LA.
There are lots of small and medium sized towns in kalifornia that are pleasant. You just need to be able to break/ignore dozens of laws every day in order to live well.
lazs