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Offline AKIron

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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2008, 04:42:31 PM »
Quote from: Napoleon II on April 11, 2008, 04:41:31 PM
Yeah, why DO we have so many more gangbangers than those foreign countries?? They don't seem deterred by an armed populace.
Yeah - like the IRA in Ireland became an illegal organization...

... and the Ku Klux Klan became an illegal organization in the US.

Huh? The KKK is not illegal in the US. Nor is the neo-nazi party.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2008, 04:45:34 PM »
I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended).  california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2008, 04:46:38 PM »
LOL AKiron, thats funny righ there!
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2008, 04:55:51 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on April 11, 2008, 04:42:31 PM
Huh? The KKK is not illegal in the US. Nor is the neo-nazi party.
The KKK was legislated out of existence by the 1871 Civil Rights Act. Same difference?
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2008, 04:58:09 PM »
Quote from: Napoleon II on April 11, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
The KKK was legislated out of existence by the 1871 Civil Rights Act. Same difference?

They aren't allowed to lynch anyone anymore but they are still alive. http://www.kkk.bz/

Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2008, 05:23:00 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on April 11, 2008, 04:58:09 PM
Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.

Interesting point. The subject of this thread is that a recent spate of killings could be part of a gang initiation process. In other words, you have to commit an illegal act (ie murder) before you get to be a fully fledged member of a gang. Therefore by being a "made" gang member, it follows that you have indeed committed an illegal act, in which case gang membership is illegal, because in order to become a member, you have to have done something illegal. Sorry if i'm starting to sound like Holden McGroin here.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2008, 05:25:37 PM »
Quote from: storch on April 11, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended).  california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.

you stole the land from the native americans, go back to spain jose.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2008, 05:39:58 PM »
sure!!  right after you guys return to england!
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2008, 06:01:59 PM »
Quote from: lazs2 on April 11, 2008, 10:47:36 AM
If a law abiding citizen in kalifornia goes to obtain a permit to carry a firearm for defense.. he is turned down.  If he wishes to defend himself and his family he must break the law.   The law creates criminals where none need be.

If the law was such that it were fair.. if getting a permit to carry was reasonable then it would be unreasonable to break the law.

simple stuff really.. most other states see it.

lazs

Perhaps if all states followed the 2nd Amendment which stated we have the "right to keep and bear arms" the issue of these stupid and illegal laws would be moot.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2008, 07:47:22 PM »
Quote from: storch on April 11, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
I say return the entire state to the vallejo family from whom the squatting gringos stole the land in the 18th and 19th centuries (and from whom I am descended).  california never had these problems when we owned it. we'll take it back and make things right again in short order.

I'm all for it, then my family could get Angel Island back that we were forced to sell to the US government ^___^

History of Angel Island

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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2008, 09:25:15 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on April 11, 2008, 04:58:09 PM
Even gang membership itself isn't illegal. Doing stuff that's illegal is illegal though.

THAT is sig material.  :rofl :aok
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2008, 10:05:01 PM »
This is just another version of 'Don't hate the sinner, hate the sin', right?  ;)
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2008, 12:49:21 AM »
Quote from: Ripsnort on April 11, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
The transport of a loaded concealed weapon without a permit is already a prison sentence

Not in all states.
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2008, 04:54:09 AM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on April 11, 2008, 07:47:22 PM
I'm all for it, then my family could get Angel Island back that we were forced to sell to the US government ^___^

History of Angel Island

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Looks like they were forced to accept it's acquisition .
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Re: What do Californians think? Gang initiations?
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2008, 09:14:32 AM »
These gangs (like MS13) are the equivalent of domestic terrorism.

Killing people at random for no reason at all makes it that much easier to go kill a rival gang member on orders.

It seems that putting them in prison doesn't do much good as they continue to carry on gang operations there.

It's a real mess, and the law doesn't seem to have a handle on it any time soon.


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