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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gh0stFT on April 20, 2008, 06:37:29 PM
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ok first of all,
third CERN-Hadron Collider Physics Summer School, August 12-22, 2008
deadline for application submission has passed. We are no longer accepting applications.
Please note that smoking is not permitted inside any building at Fermilab.
anyway, beside that, who else is watching this project closely?
Info: The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator located at CERN, near Geneva,
Switzerland ( i live on the german side very very close to CERN, just for your info ;))
Scientists will use it to try to recreate the conditions that existed just a fraction of a second
after the Big Bang, the birth of the universe, by smashing pieces of atoms together at high speed.
Most experts believe the explosions created when the particles hit each other will reveal the basic building
blocks of everything around us. There are some, however, who fear it could destroy the planet.
A lawsuit filed last week by environmentalists in Hawaii is seeking a restraining order
preventing the European Nuclear Research Centre from switching it on for fear it could create
a black hole that will suck up all life on Earth.
On 5 April 2007, the sector 7-8 reached his temperature of -271 degrees Celsius (-455.8°F)
which is about one degree colder than the average temperature in space.
The three-kilometer-long section shrank during cooling by an astounding 10 meters!
The cooling of the complete accelerator is to be completed by mid-June 2008, shortly after the first
particle acceleration done.
When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation
of which could confirm the predictions and "missing links" in the Standard Model of physics and could
explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.
what an adeventure this year 2008 is ! :eek:
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I have a theory that black holes are the result of scientists’ (from other past worlds) experiments that didn’t work out quite like they expected.
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Black holes are not supposed to happen so they say.
I took a trip to wal-mart last night. Imagine the one in your neighborhood, but with the added bonus of everyonein there being on meth. After seeing such a fine example of humanity.
I hope this machine causes the zombpocalypse :pray
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/large_hadron_collider.png)
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There are some, however, who fear it could destroy the planet.
A lawsuit filed last week by environmentalists in Hawaii is seeking a restraining order
preventing the European Nuclear Research Centre from switching it on for fear it could create
a black hole that will suck up all life on Earth.
if it doesn't destroy the planet, what would there be to fear?
if it did, what are they going to do about it?
worst case would be; they don't try it, then couple thousand years from now, Space Aliens fly by to see the planet dead from global warming with a brand spanking new never used device created a couple thousand of years ago that can control the climate of the planet. they drop in, flip the switch for the global A/C unit and enjoy the fruits of the ignorant puny humans labors.
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Pooh...
Black holes are likely at the center of every major galaxy. They have proven there existience and have hard scientific data proving such.
Anyone who knows the science behind black holes can tell you this lawsuit is an absolute joke. You would have to compress all the matter on Earth into the size of a period to create a sustainable black hole. Even then the event horizon would only be about the size of a marble.
Another case of ignorance and stupidity hard at work....
Strip
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thats 2 degrees away from absolute zero or 0 kelvin how in the ******* world did they get it that cold
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Liquid Helium....with a boiling point of 4 K above absolute zero.
Strip
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how did they get liquid helium that cold
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how did they get liquid helium that cold
They have a freezer that also has Jimmy Hoffa in it
Edit - Should I be shocked or saddened over that question
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The price of stupid is getting outrageous.
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<sigh> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/lhel.html
read enough "heres yer sign" posts today. going to bed.
yes it is a freezer, that freezes helium.
link tells of the 1st time it was done and how it was done way back then in 1908.
if you don't understand the principles of a freezer. wiki it.
bahh here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer
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I took a trip to wal-mart last night. Imagine the one in your neighborhood, but with the added bonus of everyonein there being on meth.
Sounds like you live in the same place I do. Except we have two Wally-worlds like that, and one of them is a super Wally-world.
As for the experiment destroying the world.
If it does, take heart, Gh0stFT will go before the rest of us.
If not, what is all the fuss.
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I bet I do live nearby then. this one was on 99. and the Super is on 205
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thats 2 degrees away from absolute zero or 0 kelvin how in the ******* world did they get it that cold
It is possible to reach temperatures of milli-kelvin today.
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Pooh...
Black holes are likely at the center of every major galaxy. They have proven there existience and have hard scientific data proving such.
Anyone who knows the science behind black holes can tell you this lawsuit is an absolute joke. You would have to compress all the matter on Earth into the size of a period to create a sustainable black hole. Even then the event horizon would only be about the size of a marble.
Another case of ignorance and stupidity hard at work....
Strip
:aok
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As for the experiment destroying the world.
If it does, take heart, Gh0stFT will go before the rest of us.
If not, what is all the fuss.
lol,
if i have enough time i will instant inform you in teh O'club :salute :D
There is a good read about LHC from 2007 on discovermagazine, some quotes:
It has taken over 20 years, $8 billion, and the combined efforts of more than 60 countries
to create this extraordinary particle smasher.
The detectors will generate a million gigabytes of data per second. “That’s several hundred
thousand DVDs per second. We don’t know how to burn that many DVDs that fast or what
we would do with them.”
This is uncharted territory: The collisions at LHC could spray out strange new kinds of matter,
unfurl hidden dimensions of space, even generate tiny glowing reenactments of the birth of the
universe. In short, there is more than just the search for the Higgs going on at the LHC.
“We don’t even know what to expect,”
quite interesting if you ask me, no wonder some people think this could lead to the end ;)
more read here: http://discovermagazine.com/2007/aug/the-biggest-thing-in-physics/
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I wouldn't comment on the LHC's awesomeness and coolness, because anyone can see that.. But the volume of data created in experiments is indeed something that some people might not appreciate unless their attention was pointed to it.. Really impressive.
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See, I'm not that smart so I can't get my head around how one can invest so much capitol and intellectual resources on an experiment that has no defined result, no identifiable application, and no reasoned benefit.
And people say the war on terror's a waste of money.
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Thruster, not being able to get your head around it to the point of lowering it to some corny crap like "war on XXX" is tax on being illiterate.
FWIW.
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Moot,
It's not worth much, if anything.
Wasting money and mental energy on a multi billion dollar intellectual jerk off is just a scam. Privately funded science is one thing. Publicly funded white elephants are another. When the amount of energy and funds invested in academic mental masturbation starts to equal the GDP of a small industrialized nation I start to hope they have at least a cogent hypothesis to prove.
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Thruster,
American physicist Steve Goldfarb working at LHC said it best:
What if neither team finds the elusive particle or rule that explains everything —
will all this have been worth it? “This whole complex detector probably only costs
the same as one super next-generation bomber to drop bombs better,” Goldfarb says.
“But the sole purpose of this is to figure out the universe. I’d rather have people working on something like this.”
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Moot,
It's not worth much, if anything.
Wasting money and mental energy on a multi billion dollar intellectual jerk off is just a scam. Privately funded science is one thing. Publicly funded white elephants are another. When the amount of energy and funds invested in academic mental masturbation starts to equal the GDP of a small industrialized nation I start to hope they have at least a cogent hypothesis to prove.
Over your head Thruster. Being old already, you may die never realizing the importance of this physics experiment.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/2431587820_83faa133ae_o.png)
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I have to thank you for such an erudite and comprehensive response. So you have no idea what they're doing there either. The fact that an employee of the project thinks it's a good idea puts my mind at ease.
By the way, did you ever figure out how to defrost a freezer? If you're still confused I'll let our housekeeper talk you through it.
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I do have an idea.
Specialist scientists, no minor number but a large proportion, all ensure that there at the very least a few very crucial elements of particle physics begging to be discovered by this huge contraption. Not the least, a particle that'd settle the source of no less than gravity.. Not quite so much less important, insights or at the very least hints on the workings of what's supposed to be the very beginning of the known universe, clues on that damn 'dark matter' wild goose chase that eggheads have been trying to detect for decades now and that has become a real stubbling block on physics that affects all sorts of subcategories of physics, clues of funky temporal artifacts, etc... How about I let the specialists answer the question: http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/why.htm
Or maybe I'm wrong and "The fact that a total layman of the project thinks it's a bad idea puts my mind on edge".
I figured out how to defrost a freezer probably before I got into my teens. Doing it while very drunk is another matter, and one I'd challenge you to outdo me in, anytime. Hammers and 5lbs chisel will be the tools. [insert here some condescending inuendo about your housekeeper, or whatever]
All grammatical funk is to be blamed on bavaria 86.
Zzz
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Thruster,
Basicly they are speeding atoms around a circular race track at some 90% of the speed of light. These particals will impact a target atom and give off large amounts of energy. Upon impact some of the ejecta is broken down in to the most fundamental particals. The centers of some large stars are doing this on a truely infinite scale.Of course monitoring a star is impractical. For this reason we have ring colliders to bring the star to us. Colliders create the intense heat and speed associated with conditions of stars core. Particals like Bosons, Quarks, and Neutrinos have been detected with smaller devices similar to CERN. These are the building blocks of Protons and Neutrons which only a few decades ago were considered the fundemental particals of which all matter was comprised from. Since then we have learned that the rabbit hole of physics goes much deeper. CERN was designed to reach a power level that can break atoms into smaller pieces by an order of magnitude. Why would you spend billions of dollars on such a project? The simple answer is a illusive partical called a Higgs Boson and its what makes this project so special. The Higg Boson is theorized to be responsible for the force of gravity. Antigravity research hinges on proving this theory. (Think Starwars and StarTrek) Even if the theory is wrong we are still closing in on answering the fundemental question. Why are we here?
Strip
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There's 2 'fantastic' theories that hang on the results of this big bad device.
Antigravity ... as explained above (which would confirm that surfer proffrs' theory of the Lie8 as being a map of how all particles interact in the universe)
and the infamous John Titor time traveler story / hoax that claimed that the multiverse theory would be proven when CERN became active.
me? .. im buying the lotto.
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Antigravity? Just my speculation - but Feynman himself toured the CERN facilities where his theories were to be put to the test, so he was aware of the intended experiments, and Feynman himself pretty much categoricaly said he saw no way for anti-gravity to happen.
the LHC has a few other theories to test which are at least as important as anti-gravity. I haevn't read into it, but the Higgs boson is what they're looking for. Anti gravity would only begin to be considered after that was confirmed.
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Moot,
I agree that anti-gravity is very likely unattainable but can anyone really say for certain? The fact is we still dont understand what gravity is. The path to answering that question follows closely with finding the Higg Boson. Some of the other theories revolve around grand unification. The area between General Relativity and Quatum Physics is often cloudy and misunderstood. Aligning (Or disproving) these theories would be a great step foward.
Strip
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Antigravity? Just my speculation - but Feynman himself toured the CERN facilities where his theories were to be put to the test, so he was aware of the intended experiments, and Feynman himself pretty much categoricaly said he saw no way for anti-gravity to happen.
Where did you get info that info regarding Feynman? I'd like to read it... (fascinating man....)
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Moot,
It's not worth much, if anything.
Wasting money and mental energy on a multi billion dollar intellectual jerk off is just a scam. Privately funded science is one thing. Publicly funded white elephants are another. When the amount of energy and funds invested in academic mental masturbation starts to equal the GDP of a small industrialized nation I start to hope they have at least a cogent hypothesis to prove.
You do realize even if this whole thing is a flop and the flip the switch and then nothing happens. We will still get a completely new Internet out of the deal, that's capable of transferring a full DVD in less than 5 seconds? In fact it's already here because they had to build it so they could deal with all the data this hardon thing is gonna spit out.
That alone will more than make up for the money spent because it will change the way computers are used and how they are connected with each other across the world.
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Antigravity? Just my speculation - but Feynman himself toured the CERN facilities where his theories were to be put to the test, so he was aware of the intended experiments, and Feynman himself pretty much categoricaly said he saw no way for anti-gravity to happen.
I would be very curious to know how Feynman toured a portion of the facility that wasnt even in constuction at the time of is death?
You do realize even if this whole thing is a flop and the flip the switch and then nothing happens. We will still get a completely new Internet out of the deal, that's capable of transferring a full DVD in less than 5 seconds? In fact it's already here because they had to build it so they could deal with all the data this hardon thing is gonna spit out.
That alone will more than make up for the money spent because it will change the way computers are used and how they are connected with each other across the world.
Invention by necessity....very good point Crockett.
Strip
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Sheesh.. Ground breaking physics and some guys' first thought is p0rn :P
Russian & Strip, I can't remember where I first read him saying so, but there's an interview of him saying that pretty much word for word. He didn't visit the present LHC obviously, but did tour some previous test site, about which there's some anecdote in the interview which mentions that his theories would be tested on that site.
I'll try and see if it's on youtube or something.
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I see what your saying Moot.
My only counter point is to mention the technology 20 later is light years ahead of what Feynman could have imagined. LHC wasnt even a off the back of napkins then.
Strip
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(http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/08apr/uf011406.gif)
And before anyone reacts, it's a joke.
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Don't quote me on this, but I think 20 years ago they were already done (relatively) with theories that are still untested.. Einstein's theories are still being tested by Gravity Probe B, for example. Gravity waves are another one that technology still hasn't caught up to provide the means to test.
Feynman reducing the probability of anti-gravity to "I can't think of any way for it to happen" (or something like that) is one of those times where credible specialists who usualy avoid absolutes will see a strong enough probability to bite the bullet and use an absolute like that.
Feynman makes an anti grav quip at some hippy somewhere in this dcoumentary: http://youtube.com/watch?v=knDXAr4ltMA&feature=PlayList&p=856EE31881996E0B&index=0&playnext=1
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The Higgs Boson theory dates back to Feynman but there are a few new theories that just really came into the full view of the physics community just 10 years ago. The old LEP site (the site were LHC now sits) came online a year after Feynman's death. His theories are are almost a full generation behind the current experiments. Most have stood the test of time but others have been modifed or set aside. One cannot denie is opinion still hold considerable weight but some disagree with his anti-matter beliefs.
Strip
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I read recently about the new "internet 2" setup they had to put in to just transmit the data from the LHC Its 100% all fiber optic, no copper in the loop. They only recently got THAT completed plus having all the larg teribit HD's to store it. Even then it will take a looooooong time to go thru all the data they will collect
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Sorry moot, I rarely maintain/destroy home appliances with completely inappropriate utensils while inebriated. That's a lesson I learned in my teens when I started using hand tools for their intended purpose. I'll have to respectfully concede that one.
I'm familiar enough with the science to be intrigued but I don't personally feel confirming the theoretical existence of the effects of theoretical subatomic elements is worth the investment. I've always felt that the most useful science is spawned from the private sector. I'm not against mankind seeking all there is to know but it's gone way beyond the $64,000 question. As I understand there are more breakthroughs than the data issue with regards to construction, EMR isolation and insulation, geology, etc. Innovation happens. I just happen to believe these colliders are a ham fisted methodology that can only necessitate an even greater commitment in order to start to apply any discoveries that are made. These guys only think they know what they are looking for evidence of, much less do they have any idea which direction any application of this data will take.
And don't pick on Maria, even she knows that hammers and chisels belong in the hands of a professional, sounds like she could teach you a thing or two.
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something will be discovered for sure, and we are close to 2012!
There was this Maya prophecy topic not long ago here, they predict that in
the year 2012, there will be a critical mass of holes that will create this
giant tear in the fabric. We will have gone beyond technology as we know it.
We will have gone beyond time and money. <- allready gone seeing the cost of LHC ;)
That dont sound like a Doomsday, rather a new discovery,
but back to the topic ;)
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.... I've always felt that the most useful science is spawned from the private sector. ...
If only that was true.....
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I'm familiar enough with the science to be intrigued but I don't personally feel confirming the theoretical existence of the effects of theoretical subatomic elements is worth the investment.
It is going to investigate more than the Higgs boson. They didn't build the machine just for that.
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I would be very curious to know how Feynman toured a portion of the facility that wasnt even in constuction at the time of is death?
Dude, he's like, a physicist. Hello? Spacetime is totally NOT a problem for him.
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It's important to keep unraveling the mysteries of the universe. It's what the human race thrives on. There will be excellent learning that comes from it. Of course, there will also be oddities discovered that have no explanation which means there'll be a whole new slew of holes for theorists to fill.
I wonder if anyone is tracking the number of the "this proved a theory right" discoveries to "oh... so that's how it works" discoveries ratio. Most of my work with science and scientists has spawned the latter, though a theory was needed to make the discovery.
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Thruster if you weren't so busy trying to find any way to talk smack you might have taken the 0.5 seconds it takes to lookup what the CERN LHC is about.
Either way, you aren't a specialist.. For all your 'down to earth' pragmatism you didn't pay the years of study those professionals did to gain authority on what the LHC means to shed light on, and so can't do much more than make a few bytes' worth of uninformed protesting noise about it, somewhere on the intardnet. 200M euros+ aren't given to random scientists with random experimental ideas. I wonder if anyone is tracking the number of the "this proved a theory right" discoveries to "oh... so that's how it works" discoveries ratio. Most of my work with science and scientists has spawned the latter, though a theory was needed to make the discovery.
All that matters is progress.
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Exiting times indeed! I always love it when scientists flip a switch and run for their lives. :D
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Richard dawkins last dying wish is to witness the "event horizon"..Maybe he will.
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Ok,
This means gas will be cheaper right?
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No it means we wont need gas....
Strip
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No it means we wont need gas....
Strip
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layman: "what will this thing do when it's finished?"
scientist: " it will reveal the secrets of the universe."
layman: "how will that effect me?"
scientist: " you don't know anything, do you? just keep sending me money."
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I wonder if HT will have a "King of the Hill" event on 12/21/2012?
Ya know, kinda like the Last Man standing event?
:noid
Mac
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layman: "what will this thing do when it's finished?"
scientist: " it will reveal the secrets of the universe."
layman: "how will that effect me?"
scientist: " you don't know anything, do you? just keep sending me money."
John, everything from silex tools to today's screwdrivers and fly swatters and airborne artillery aiming systems and pregnancy and alcohol breath tests were thanks to scientific "secrets of the universe"..
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Moot
You're starting to sound a bit confrontational, I know the symptoms. We call it the tiny mind syndrome. I'm glad you have a slavish loyalty to holders of advanced degrees. The problem is I have my opinion and as much as you want to belittle my ability to form it, hiding behind some geeks lab coat won't alter the fact. I just wish you sat on an endowment committee.
This all reminds me of an old joke.......
"Newspapers around the world proclaim the obsolescence of God"
The world's leading scientists have announced that they have at last discovered the secret to life and have successfully created a man out of a handful of dirt, a formal demonstration is scheduled for next Sunday"
On Sunday the scientists gather on the stage and announce their discovery to the gathered press...
Out of the sky a booming voice says " So you've learned how to create life? Does that mean I'm now obsolete?"
The scientist nod in agreement and explain what they have accomplished.
The booming voice says, "Well, we're all watching. How 'bout you show us?"
The head scientist bends down to gather a handful of soil with which to begin the demonstration when there's a big flash of lightening striking the ground at the scientist's feet.
The booming voice says "Get your own dirt."
Or something like that.
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Alright, I skipped the rest of your post after "sounding confrontational".
You don't know squat about me. I'm not confrontational. I answered your self-confident post tit for tat in the first place, cause you're as old as you are (I can smell the old spice from here I think) and yet can't even arse yourself with 30seconds to google CERN LHC WTF (or something) before ragging on it being a colossal waste of money.. Money that as far as I've seen so far, doesn't come from the US; so what's there to complain about? Free science breakthroughs for the world to benefit from, at no taxpayer cost. That'd be the only remotely valid excuse for complaining (misinformedly) about it.
If you have any more nastygrams, PM em to me, if the first line reads like something else than BS I'll consider reading past it.
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Wasting money and mental energy on a multi billion dollar intellectual jerk off is just a scam. Privately funded science is one thing. Publicly funded white elephants are another. When the amount of energy and funds invested in academic mental masturbation starts to equal the GDP of a small industrialized nation I start to hope they have at least a cogent hypothesis to prove.
This mental masturbation is what brought you almost every piece of technology you use. The publicly funded white elephants, unlike "private science", produce advancements that are not protected by stupid "patent" laws that hold back progress even long after the patent itself is worthless.
If you'd like to stare into the face of private science, look into medicine. I sure hope you have a good medical insurance and good health or you'll get a good idea of what paying for science means.
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The nearest thing to a colossal publicly-funded money pit that I know of (from everything I've heard first hand in labs and read on the net from specialists) is ITER.
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I get the impression that I have a completely misguided idea of what this project is about. Although no body seems able to elaborate on the error of my ways.
I've got one rocket scientist trying to provoke me with accusations of advanced age (which I never thought was a bad thing), another telling me the public sector is the wellspring of all the neat stuff I have (internet excluded, but I still think Gates and co. deserve the lion's share of that credit, it seems the work done at CERN was going to happen wherever Berners-Lee was working ) even though as I look around me I see very little that government research has spawned for my benefit. I'm still waiting to eat a Big Mac on the moon.
For those of you who are not "in the know", there's a collider here in Illinois, called Fermilab. They've been engaged in this type of research for decades now and as far as I know we're still waiting for a practical application to emerge from there.
By the way, Einstein, "Free science breakthroughs for the world to benefit from, at no taxpayer cost."
Guess again. 20+ nations fund CERN. I believe Fermilab gets it's money mostly from the academic community but I won't swear to that. It's not a private enterprise.
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This mental masturbation is what brought you almost every piece of technology you use. The publicly funded white elephants, unlike "private science", produce advancements that are not protected by stupid "patent" laws that hold back progress even long after the patent itself is worthless.
If you'd like to stare into the face of private science, look into medicine. I sure hope you have a good medical insurance and good health or you'll get a good idea of what paying for science means.
Actually medical insurance is just a form of socialism where healthy people finance the caretaking of the sick and unfortunate. A true conservative never gets insurance!
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Guess again. 20+ nations fund CERN. I believe Fermilab gets it's money mostly from the academic community but I won't swear to that. It's not a private enterprise.
For a privat sector most important is to make $
this experiment is much more then just a question of $ its way beyound it.
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I wonder if HT will have a "King of the Hill" event on 12/21/2012?
Ya know, kinda like the Last Man standing event?
:noid
Mac
Would being hit by a meteor,Raptured, or eaten by a zombie count as a forfeit?
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For a privat sector most important is to make $
this experiment is much more then just a question of $ its way beyound it.
Those working for Bell Labs, at one time a division of AT&T, have 6 Nobel prizes awarded:
1937 Clinton J. Davisson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for demonstrating the wave nature of matter
1956 John Bardeen, Walter H. Brattain and William Shockley received the Nobel Prize in Physics for inventing the transistor
1977 Philip W. Anderson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for developing an improved understanding of the electronic structure of glass and magnetic materials
1978 Arno A. Penzias and Robert W. Wilson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics. Penzias and Wilson were cited for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation, a nearly uniform glow that fills outer space in the microwave part of the spectrum
1997 Steven Chu, shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for developing methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light
1998 Horst Stormer, Robert Laughlin, and Daniel Tsui, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery and explanation of the fractional quantum Hall effect
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IIRC Bell Labs were funded by DoD....it was way before DARPA......
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IIRC Bell Labs were funded by DoD....it was way before DARPA......
The cosmic background radiation experiment was due to Bell trying to get clearer trans atlantic phone service. They built this antenna to transmit and receive telephone traffic, and somebody asked Penzias and Wilson, "See what you can do to get rid of all this static."
The static was the cosmic background radiation.
ATT was (is) a for profit private corporation.
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I get the impression that I have a completely misguided idea of what this project is about. Although no body seems able to elaborate on the error of my ways.
You've been told a few different times in different ways, I gave a link with some pretty layman explanation. You don't seem to be after information but arguing for the sake of it.. If someone's confrontational, it's you.
I've got one rocket scientist trying to provoke me with accusations of advanced age (which I never thought was a bad thing)
Re-read my post. You're that old but not wise enough to follow leads on answers to your questions.. You don't even take the time to do a minimum of research on the subject. I'm not provoking anything, I'm telling you exactly what's the problem here, your unwillingness or incapability to read what's explicitly said black on white.
, another telling me the public sector is the wellspring of all the neat stuff I have (internet excluded, but I still think Gates and co. deserve the lion's share of that credit, it seems the work done at CERN was going to happen wherever Berners-Lee was working ) even though as I look around me I see very little that government research has spawned for my benefit. I'm still waiting to eat a Big Mac on the moon.
Public sector rant aside, the reason we're not eating a big mac on the moon, or Mars for that matter, today, is that taxpayers' money hasn't funded it. We could be on Mars right now. We could have tons and tons of useful common applications to show for all the research, but the public mostly ignores it. For what reasons... Well, look at the proportions of the national budget. NASA has less than one percent of the budget. You bet, we could be BBQin on the moon right now.
For those of you who are not "in the know", there's a collider here in Illinois, called Fermilab. They've been engaged in this type of research for decades now
You don't say?! You don't suppose maybe the results from instruments like those at Fermilab were part of the reason for building the LHC?
and as far as I know we're still waiting for a practical application to emerge from there.
So what, do we just sit on our tulips improving Big Mac science till it catches up to particle physics? That's retarded.. That Feynman diagram I posted up there was a joke but maybe it was spot on, according to how you'd have things done.
By the way, Einstein, "Free science breakthroughs for the world to benefit from, at no taxpayer cost."
Like I said, "as far as I've seen"; who funds the LHC never caught my attention, and it doesn't change the fact that your complaints aren't even informed. You know that you don't know much at all about something, and yet post about it being a waste of money, and then get all pissed off when you get called on it and try to go off on some random cheapo rimshots like try to ridicule me cause I defrosted my freezer with a wrecking ball :lol. That's your problem, not mine.. Get a grip.
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n/t
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It's simple, you can't have a real dialog on a subject that's over your head. You have to rely on links to the job a functioning mind would do for the rest of us. I would think the manly thing to do would be walk away or at least let somebody with a little more on the ball take up the fight for you. No such luck. Oh well.
Besides regurgitating the short bus version of what the project is about I suggest you learn. Learn what they are actual doing and what the next logical step will be if their hypotheses' are confirmed. Then maybe you can articulate your own opinion with out leaning on visual aids, other peoples work or third grade provocations. I'm done playing with you. I said my piece in context to the post a while ago. You don't like it, go power wash a toaster.
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I have no idea wtf you're on about.
The LHC didn't get built without a lot of specialists arguing for it, and acting treasurers poking holes into the specialists groveling. It just doesn't happen.
Leading edge scientific research only rarely makes an overnight difference in every day livelihood. That's common sense too.
The higher energies than in every previous particle smasher allows for all the new theories it's testing to gain some new substance, for better or worse. This is common sense too.
It's also common sense to do a minimum of research so that you have something to back up any assertion about a certain subject (e.g. the LHC being a waste of money).
You're just playing around to somehow save face on your initial assertion that the LHC is a gigantic waste of money and no more than a mental jerk off.
e.g. this:
"Besides regurgitating the short bus version of what the project is about I suggest you learn. Learn what they are actual doing and what the next logical step will be if their hypotheses' are confirmed. Then maybe you can articulate your own opinion with out leaning on visual aids, other peoples work or third grade provocations. I'm done playing with you. I said my piece in context to the post a while ago. You don't like it, go power wash a toaster."
Is what you need to read, yourself. You could've done this by PM but for some reason chose to keep the argument public in a thread that's not topicaly related.. Your doing the whole way, a to z.
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Any idea of the cost of that helium? Price it:-)
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...This is uncharted territory: The collisions at LHC could spray out strange new kinds of matter,
unfurl hidden dimensions of space, even generate tiny glowing reenactments of the birth of the
universe. In short, there is more than just the search for the Higgs going on at the LHC.
“We don’t even know what to expect,”
And 13 billion years from now, the little guys created by LHC will be debating God vs. science vs. intelligent design
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And 13 billion years from now, the little guys created by LHC will be debating God vs. science vs. intelligent design
And 13 billion years from now the guy that created the LHC will be a god.