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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on April 22, 2008, 04:50:56 AM
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:00:05 +0200
Subject: Last White farmers under siege, instigated by Mugabe
Dear Family and Friends,
Well never thought I would have to do this email do not know if it may be my last from our farm "Chidza".
At 3.30pm today a lorry load of so called Mugabe brain washed "war-vets" arrived at our gate to take over our land, equipment and pedigree cattle. This crazy action is occurring in a country where there is v little food being produced !
It is now 6 pm and they have been singing their war songs at our gate for three hours, the atmosphere is violent and more and more of them have arrived.
We managed to get our daughter Alison and her young son "Little John" into town and for now it is just John and myself, plus our dogs remaining in the house on the farm.They have said that our labour will not work tomorrow . They have demanded that John must kill them a sheep, which John has flatly refused to do, so no doubt they will simply kill one for themselves.
None of our paid labour will even attmpt to come to work tomorrow either!
Graham Richards who lives south of us is also under siege at the same time as us, so this siege of the last remaining whites is an orchestrated plan. The Goddards and Deidricks are in the same boat. They have already taken over Pa-Nyanda Guest Lodge, and Graham and his wife Callie are now in town.Alison is at John sisters in Masvingo town and her husband Carl is expected back from Bulawayo tonight.
So for now please keep all of us in your prayers and we will send a follow up tomorrow if we are able.
Our love to you all.
John and Joy from Chidza.
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I'm suprised any whites are left, heaps came to NZ to escape Mugabe.
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Something tells me that Mugabe is not going to relinquish power until he is cold and buried.
So much for democratic elections. http://www.snipercentral.com
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Been through this in the 60's and the 80's again. Good luck to your family Swoop.
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Not mine mate, email passed to me by a friend.
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Well, the blacks are REALLY screwing themselves in Africa. They'll nationalize the farms, kick out "Whitey" and realize that they don't know a thing about farming. When they start to starve as a nation (they always do) they'll offer to hire the farmers as advisers on their old land.
Personally, I think Africa is screwed. I say we get out all the important people, close the borders and wait 100 years. If anybody is still alive on the other side, I would be VERY surprised.
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I'm suprised any whites are left, heaps came to NZ to escape Mugabe.
It isn't just whites trying to get out. when I was in prep school one of my friends was a black girl from Zimbabwe. Her parents sent her to the U.S. because they foresaw this S***storm coming and wanted her out. We had at least 10 students from africa (out of 350 total) and all of them had similar stories. Anyone with enough money is getting their kids off the continent.
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There was a country in africa that was doing well... Rhodesia.
Have read a few books on the Boer war.. pretty interesting.
lazs
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rhodesia is now zimbabwe.
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Really? hmm.. probly not a good idea to change the name then eh?
lazs
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There was a country in africa that was doing well... Rhodesia.
Rhodesia was apartheid South Africa on speed. They treated the black africans like trash and reaped the results. The fact that it imploded is a sign that it was doing the diametric opposite of 'well'.
Ian Smith's government of post-independence Rhodesia gifted the rebels mass support, where previously they had been marginalised. As a minority, they could never win, despite their oppressive methods and completely surreal view of the world, incredulous that Britain wouldn't lend them a hand in oppressing their own people.
Unfortunately, the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction in Zimbabwe. The country was one of the only net exporters of food in the whole of Africa in the 80's. Very sad how it has turned out - the average Rhodesian/Zimbabwean has had a lot to put up with between Mugabe and Smith.
Max Hasting's account of Ian Smith's Rhodesia is very interesting. They were a delluded and anachronistic bunch.
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so.. the standard of living is higher and people are safer in zimbabwe than they were in rhodesia? I had not heard that before.. thanks dowding.
lazs
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AFAIK the blacks weren't oppressed in Rhodesia in the way they were in SA. Sure most of them didn't have enough wealth to vote. It was a minority rule but not an "apartheid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid
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We had another colony that was doing well....I think it was called North America.I think they kicked us out too.When can we come back Laz? ;)
Zimbabwe does not need to Look back it needs to look forward,to a future without Mugabe,and white farmers will be part of that future,if Who ever takes Mugabe's place has his head screwed on.
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Yes, because of course that is what I said. :rolleyes:
I dug out Hasting's account of Rhodesia and the Bush War.
"I felt not the smallest sympathy for the Salisbury regime. Ian Smith and his cohorts were near-fascists, committed to the permanent maintenance of white rule, and suppression of the black majority by ruthless use of force, backed by ridiculous rhetoric about the justice of their own cause... The Prime Minister enlivened an election meeting in 1970, at which he was heckled by African students, by singing an Afrikaans song entitled 'Bobbejaan klim die berg' - 'Baboon, climb the hill'."
"'What do you do about the landmine problem, Mrs Smith?' I asked over tea after a guinea fowl shoot. "Oh, first thing every morning we just pile the farm boys into the truck and send them to drive up and down the road until we can see they haven't blown up.'"
What a lovely bunch of people.
"The weakest link in their society's extravagant claims for white Rhodesia's 'patriotism', however, was the simple fact that so many were first or at most second-generation immigrants, with no historic stake in the country at all. Urban whites basked in the comforts and unearned authority they could exercise... The white farmers who tilled the land amid growing danger, who maintained their remote homesteads in an atmosphere of tightening siege, who uncomplainingly sent their sons into the bush to fight the guerrilla war and bear the brunt of the casualties, seemed entitled to a respect for their courage which their leaders never merited."
And onto the Defense Minister:
"It was van der Byl, a right wing fanatic with huge estates in South Africa, who responded wittily to a journalist who asked why the Salisbury government had ceased to disclose the names of people hanged for terrorist or criminal offences: "Why should we? Anyway it's academic, because they are normally dead after it.""
"The garden party never ends. One is reminded irresistibly of a little boy, in tears, refusing to go home at the end of the outing, insisting somehow that the music plays on. Yes, dear, we all think that it has been marvellous, but it's over now. You don't believe me? You won't come home? There is a curfew south of Umtali, and the railway to the border is under constant attack. Mr Charles Holloway and his wife are in their late sixties. They took an outing last Sunday afternoon. They went home with multiple gunshot wounds."
The white leadership could have negociated a settlement with the moderates, but their arrogance, their ridiculous sense of justice instead meant hundreds more died.
So back to your point. Standard of living must be wonderful when you are a third class citizen ruled by 1st generation immigrants, who hold you in utter contempt, who do not allow you to vote because of the colour of your skin. Today people can't vote because of the political climate. Like I said, the pendulum has swung. Zimbabwe today and Rhodesia 30 years ago are pretty crap for your average 'citizen'.
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Laz,
Whats different here?
30 years after we kicked Dowdings Brits out of america we prospered and never looked back. 30 years after most of the sub saharan states became self ruled only their governments live very far up from subsistance survival along with the trillions of dollars\euros\rubbels\yuen\rupie the world has flooded that continent with.
Recently some mines in Nigeria were closed down by their native workers alleging the communist chinese mine managers wouldnt treat them like human beings. The mine managers said they couldn't run the mines efficiently if the miners didn't work up to their standards. The europeans colonising Africa 100 years ago said the same thing about the local natives everywhere they created infrastructure and cities and tried to run businesses. Thats why so many Indians and Chinese laborers were imported.
Zimbabwe\Rhodesia\South Africa prospered economicly before they were returned to native rule..........why do these countries suddenly tank in economic prospairity when the european's who created the infrastructure and economies leave? After all they left everything in place. It should be a simple act of picking up the reins and hanging on to the stampeding economic success. Shouldnt it? It's the simple act of the local population showing up and taking the places of the exiting europeans in all the jobs from bottom to top..............so what happened?
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You can find these articles daily from Africa. I guess killing and eating children is OK so long as it's not europeans creating economies and infrastructure in the face of stone age butchery that has never left the "Dark Continent". Butchering children for good luck in getting government positions. Lets see....in america thats called Roe vs. Wade. And this is an Oil Rich sub Saharan nation........
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/416579
Apr 21, 2008 04:30 AM
Antoine Lawson
Reuters News Agency
LIBREVILLE, gabon–When the body of 13-year-old Ralph Edang N'na was found drained of blood and with gaping wounds in his genitals, chest and neck last month, many in Gabon thought it was politicians who had ordered his killing.
The murder of children and young adults, whose organs are eaten or used to make magical amulets, has increased in recent years in the oil-rich central African nation. Campaigners say some Gabonese politicians use the black magic rituals to boost their chances of winning lucrative government posts.
With elections to municipal councils on Sunday, many fear a spate of gruesome child murders.
Every week, mutilated bodies are discovered in the capital Libreville, despite police patrols. Anxious parents keep a close eye around schools so children aren't snatched.
"It's before elections and ministerial reshuffles that the vilest crimes are committed and the capital empties of certain kinds of politicians who go to the interior to carry out witchcraft," said pastor François Bibang, a member of the Association to Fight Ritual Crimes (ALCR).
In ritual killings, which still take place in several African countries, victims' body parts and blood are used in ceremonies to bestow social success and political power.
The ALCR says February alone saw 12 such killings in Gabon.
"Unfortunately, this practice seems to be spreading again in Gabon," said Jean-Elvis Ebang Ondo, who founded ALCR after his 12-year-old son was kidnapped, killed and mutilated in 2005.
The government set up a National Observatory for the Rights of Children in fall 2006 to implement a UN children's charter that enshrines, among other things, the right to protection from abuse.
Gabon is one of sub-Saharan Africa's largest oil producers but most of its citizens live in poverty.
Omar Bongo, who has ruled Gabon since 1967, used oil funds to weave a web of patronage which has created bitter competition for lucrative political jobs.
Ondo decried "the silence of the state," – a penal code approved in January omitted any mention of ritual crimes. No clear figures exist for the number of such victims.
Another activist, Frederic Ntera Etoua, tallied 290 such killings in the jungles of Ogooue-Ivindo province where Ralph Edang N'na died.
Parliamentary speaker Guy Nzouba Ndama opened a session of the assembly on March 3 by denouncing ritual crimes by politicians.
But no politician has been convicted for such crimes. An attempt to prosecute a legislator from Gamba region last year failed after he claimed parliamentary immunity.
Psychologist Philippe Ndong of Libreville University traces the rise in ritual murders to 2001.
"As legislative elections approached, mutilated bodies were discovered around the country," he said. "An 8-year-old girl was snatched in Ndolou department and killed in Mouila. The man allegedly responsible was a candidate to Parliament who entered the government after this crime."
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why do these countries suddenly tank in economic prospairity when the european's who created the infrastructure and economies leave? After all they left everything in place. It should be a simple act of picking up the reins and hanging on to the stampeding economic success. Shouldnt it? It's the simple act of the local population showing up and taking the places of the exiting europeans in all the jobs from bottom to top..............so what happened?
You can't be serious.
That is a grossly over-simplified statement. Look into the history of some of these countries struggling to survive. To say that some of these country's people are better off as 2nd and 3rd rate citizens is wrong. Many countries in Africa were dominated by European and Euro-Asian empires. They were ruled for hundreds of years being exploited for everything they had.
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hazzer.. I think others have answered. kicking you out made for progress.. we surpassed the oppressors in every way..
well.. you do have soccer and cricket paddles but...
lazs
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Well what about Kenya? http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/)
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someone should notify the UN.. if they knew about it I am sure that they would fix it.
lazs
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You can't be serious.
That is a grossly over-simplified statement. Look into the history of some of these countries struggling to survive. To say that some of these country's people are better off as 2nd and 3rd rate citizens is wrong. Many countries in Africa were dominated by European and Euro-Asian empires. They were ruled for hundreds of years being exploited for everything they had.
Funny, I bet you say the same things about the U.S.A. everytime you go to Safe Way and buy Icecream.....Geronimo was only a freedom fighter and man does this icecream taste good but you know we totaly abused the redman and stold a whole continet from him by opressing him and rapeing his natural resources. Why the greatest evil on the planet is the weastern european whiteman. Living in grass huts in the mud is morally superior and roasting your enimies slowly over coals as a cultural sport is OK by me if the noble american redman still roamed the north american continent freely....man this icecream tastes good.
Hey in the last 30 years butchering children for body parts and blood to use in magic rituals has come back into voge all over sub Saharan africa. It was one of the S.O.P. african cultural practices the evil white europeans denied those noble savages. I was reading an article where an orphanage in africa was selling terminaly ill children to local witch doctors for body parts and blood while they were still alive. I beleive I read that one on Reuters a few years back.........
When you read early Muslim cronicles of sub Saharan africa, the descriptions boil down to stone age savages who regularly butcher each other for sport, food, slaves and witchcraft supplies. Sounds like american indians and how the different tribes related to each other. Pass the Icecream........
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rhodesia is now zimbabwe.
hehe :)
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saint.. yep.. it is only worth a chuckle.. his heart was in the right place I think.
lazs
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How'd your friends make out Swoop?
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Saint I'm being obtruse about Rhodesia=Zimbabwe....everyone knows they are one in the same. Western Liberals ignore what Mugabe and his stone age supporters did to the country after the west forced Ian Smiths government to unilateraly hand over a first world infrastructure and economy to stone age savages.
No major city or industrial infrastructure on the african continent was conceived, built and maintained by the indigenous stone agers. It all happened by western europeans or muslims building them brick by brick nail by nail. Every time the systems are repatriated, they either fall apart or are never maintained at levels that western governments would not condem and close down for human health and safety reasons in the U.S. or the EU.
TentyFo should catch a plane to Khartome, Adis Ababe, Nirobe, Joville, Entebee or any sub Saharan city by himself and walk out into the city and try to find a hotel or a cab somewhere. In some cities he will simply be robbed by crowds of children who smell like open sewers. In other cities he will be shot on sight because he looks like a westerner. In other cities he will be held against his will and killed for his body parts and fluids. Sub Saharans beleive europeans have lucky magic and if they can drink their blood, smear their body fat on themselves or eat body parts the lucky magic will be theirs.
Some just like killing westerners any chance they can..........so if you want to bring first world economies, infrasturcture and morality to africa, sure you have to ride some serious herd on the locals to keep civilisation running on the Dark Continent.......but then TwentyFo likes livin in da USA and blinding us with his kombaya dreams of africa via the Discovery Channel.
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Errm... just to be clear: I was laughing AT lazs, not the other way 'round... just sayin' :)
As I stated earlier, my family has been on the African continent for a couple of generations, they lost most of their property in Rwanda & Congo in the 60s and again in the late 80's... you don't have to sell me anything when it comes down to how they [the locals - ed] manage their own land. (but it's not nice to say it out loud... and there's a choice for words to be done)
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why were you laughing at me? Did your really think I didn't know that zimbabwe is just the failed Rhodesia? I have a couple of books on the subject if you would like to borrow them.
lazs
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How'd your friends make out Swoop?
Ya whats the word?
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There isn't any.
I don't think this is one of those times that no news is good news.
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I think that email is a fabrication to draw attention to the situation. I'm sure its not far from the truth though.
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There was a country in africa that was doing well... Rhodesia.
Have read a few books on the Boer war.. pretty interesting.
lazs
Living in the past? Rhodesia hasn't existed for 29 years.
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TentyFo should catch a plane to Khartome, Adis Ababe, Nirobe, Joville, Entebee or any sub Saharan city by himself and walk out into the city and try to find a hotel or a cab somewhere. In some cities he will simply be robbed by crowds of children who smell like open sewers.
Some just like killing westerners any chance they can..........so if you want to bring first world economies, infrasturcture and morality to africa, sure you have to ride some serious herd on the locals to keep civilisation running on the Dark Continent.......but then TwentyFo likes livin in da USA and blinding us with his kombaya dreams of africa via the Discovery Channel.
Morality is in the eye of the beholder. We base our morality on western ideas, mainly
Christianity. Who is to say that it is the "right" way to do things? Morality is a concept that varies everywhere in the world. What is moral to you and I, may not be moral to someone in sub-saharan Africa.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3694930.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3694930.ece)
Militant supporters of Robert Mugabe descended on some of Zimbabwe’s last white-owned farms yesterday in an orchestrated campaign of intimidation designed to keep him in power.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3736224.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3736224.ece)
THE grim reality of Zimbabwe’s postelection violence as President Robert Mugabe clung to power was hammered home last week when an elderly white farmer was abducted by so-called “war veterans” who tried to lynch him.
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Old news - that report is three weeks old. What exactly is your point?
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Dowding, i'm in agreement. The email is a fabrication but there's thruth in it.
More than half the white farmers in zimbabwe have had their land confiscated recently. Judging from the article below, one of the first things which is done is to shoot the animals. Hardly a sensible thing to do in a country which has undergone an agricultural collapse and may possibly enter a famine without international help.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/17/wzim217.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/17/wzim217.xml)
lol JBA beat me to it.
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Old news - that report is three weeks old. What exactly is your point?
Well excuse me, what do we have here another post police. You stated the facts were false. I posted two articles within the last 2-3 weeks proving you wrong.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3736224.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3736224.ece)
THE grim reality of Zimbabwe’s postelection violence as President Robert Mugabe clung to power was hammered home last week when an elderly white farmer was abducted by so-called “war veterans” who tried to lynch him.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/YMCA_single_cover.jpg)
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Morality is in the eye of the beholder. We base our morality on western ideas, mainly
Christianity. Who is to say that it is the "right" way to do things? Morality is a concept that varies everywhere in the world. What is moral to you and I, may not be moral to someone in sub-saharan Africa.
I love posts like this.
So what you're saying is that morals vary and that we should not be judgemental of other people's morals?
Is that it?
Basically then you are OK with the Janjaweed militia's killing of Christians in the Sudan? After all, I'm sure it seems moral to them.
And if these witchdoctor's killing kids for the majical properties of their blood stories are true, then you are OK with that as well?
What I'm reading from you is that there is no right or wrong, only situational ethics or morals.
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A fairly concise statment of relativism. It starts with the premise that there are no absolutes but fails because there is an absolute implict in the premise itself. I credit the leftist madrassas that the education system has devolved to for this strain of thought.
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I love posts like this.
So what you're saying is that morals vary and that we should not be judgemental of other people's morals?
Is that it?
Basically then you are OK with the Janjaweed militia's killing of Christians in the Sudan? After all, I'm sure it seems moral to them.
And if these witchdoctor's killing kids for the majical properties of their blood stories are true, then you are OK with that as well?
What I'm reading from you is that there is no right or wrong, only situational ethics or morals.
Me personally, I am not fine with it. But if that's what they want to do, then that's what they will do. So, yes, I am opposed to it. But what can I do? The answer is nothing. The United States and the UN, or any other country, will continue to do nothing to stop this. We are too caught up in the hell hole called Iraq.
The point I was trying to make in my post, was that I'm really tired of people in the US thinking they're better than everyone else in this world. Just because someone lives in a hut in Africa, doesn't make them an undecent human being. Just because someone dresses in a Birkah or worships numerous gods, doesn't make them a bad person. All I want is for everyone to be accepting people's differences.
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moray.. you would admit I hope, that 29 years in the history of a country is a very short time.
lazs
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But what can I do? The answer is nothing. The United States and the UN, or any other country, will continue to do nothing to stop this. We are too caught up in the hell hole called Iraq.
Iraq has nothing to do with stopping it. If we had never gone into Iraq, this would still be happening and nothing would be done. Your Iraq allusion is merely a red herring.
You are simply right that neither the UN or any individual or coalition of countries will attempt to stop this. All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing. Well, we've completely arrived. Because of the moral relativism that is so ominpresent in world society, more than enough good men do nothing.
The point I was trying to make in my post, was that I'm really tired of people in the US thinking they're better than everyone else in this world.
I suppose you might wearily concede that we are possibly better than folks that kill children for their majical blood?
All I want is for everyone to be accepting people's differences.
Even the murderous differences that result in hundreds of thousands dying in the Sudan? Or just the clothing and housing differences?
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Iraq has nothing to do with stopping it. If we had never gone into Iraq, this would still be happening and nothing would be done. Your Iraq allusion is merely a red herring.
You are simply right that neither the UN or any individual or coalition of countries will attempt to stop this. All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing. Well, we've completely arrived. Because of the moral relativism that is so ominpresent in world society, more than enough good men do nothing.
I suppose you might wearily concede that we are possibly better than folks that kill children for their majical blood?
Even the murderous differences that result in hundreds of thousands dying in the Sudan? Or just the clothing and housing differences?
When I mention everyone else I should clarify that I am talking about the normal everday world citzen. I was not referring to the bood drinkers, murders, or any other human rights abuser.
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When I mention everyone else I should clarify that I am talking about the normal everday world citzen. I was not referring to the bood drinkers, murders, or any other human rights abuser.
Ah, I see.
So what do we do about the blood drinkers, murderers and other human rights abusers that a drowning these African countries in sorrow?
Also, since the normal everyday world citizen in these countries is the same as we are, how do you explain what was posted earlier? Many (most?) of these countries had a functional infrastructure/society that allowed them to at least feed the population. How is it that starvation is now a major threat and the cities have deteriorated into dangerous cesspools of filth, disease and murder? What's the explanation for that?
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Well excuse me, what do we have here another post police. You stated the facts were false.
Nope. Go back and actually read what I said. I said that email was probably a fake. I am well aware of what is happening in Zimbabwe - mainly because I will be in a neighbouring country in less than 6 months time - in fact I watched video footage of a farm invasion weeks ago, the day after it happened.
Essentially, you misunderstood my post.