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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SuBWaYCH on June 04, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Yak-3
Japanese: Ki-43/44 (about even)
Germany: ME-410
U.S.A : Brewster Buffalo
Britain : Beaufighter
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2/Te-2 (about even)
Japanese: Betty bomber
Germany: He-111
U.S.A : A-26
Britain: not sure on this one.
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Fighter:
USSR: Yak-7
Japan: Ki-43
Germany: Me410
USA: N/A
UK: Beaufighter
Italy: C.200
Bomber:
USSR: Pe-2
Japan: D4Y "Judy"/G4M2 "Betty"
Germany: Ju188A
USA: TBD Devastator
UK: Wellington B.Mk III
Italy: S.M.79-II
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Fighters:
USSR: MiG-3
Japan: Ki-43
Germany: Me-410
USA: Brewter Buffalo
UK: Beaufighter
Italy: C.200
Bombers:
USSR: Pe-2
Japan: G4M
Germany: HE-111
USA: TBD-1
UK: Vickers Wellington
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Fighters:
USSR: MiG-3
Japan: N/A
Germany: Me 210
USA: P-80 (I know that won't happen tho)
UK: Gloster Meteor
Italy: G.55
Bombers:
USSR: Tu-2
Japan: GM4 Betty Bomber
Germany: He 111
USA: PB2Y Coronado
UK: Hailfax
Italy: Cant Z. 1007
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U.K. Needz t3h Halifax. :rock
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Fighters:
USSR; Yak series (all of them :aok )
Germany;Me 410
Italy; G.55
Japan; Ki43
US; N/A
UK; N/A
Bombers:
USSR; Pe2
Germany; He111
UK; Wellington
Japan; Judy
Italy; N/A
US; N/A
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U.K. Needz t3h Halifax. :rock
Why? It would feel almost like an exact copy of the Lancaster. It would be much better to add a distinct aircraft that fills a gap. Right now there is no early war Allied bomber for use in the European Theater that the early war Axis fighters can actually catch. The Wellington B.Mk III would fill that gap with a bomber that is both usable, useful and and catchable by early Axis fighters. That is much more important than another bomber that fills exactly the same role as the Lancaster.
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Fighters:
USSR: MiG-3
Japan: N/A
Germany: Me 210
210 instead of 410, because?
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Why? It would feel almost like an exact copy of the Lancaster. It would be much better to add a distinct aircraft that fills a gap. Right now there is no early war Allied bomber for use in the European Theater that the early war Axis fighters can actually catch. The Wellington B.Mk III would fill that gap with a bomber that is both usable, useful and and catchable by early Axis fighters. That is much more important than another bomber that fills exactly the same role as the Lancaster.
Yo gotta love how big that beast is! :D :t
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Yo gotta love how big that beast is! :D :t
It's almost the same exact size as the Lancaster. Lancaster in blue, Halifax in pink.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/British_WW2_bombers_comparison.png)
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Italian. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/6e68f50925.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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What can i say? :confused:
You made a thread about a plane that only had about 1 year, maybe 6 months in the War?
If it saw combat it definitely deserves to be in AH2.
I agree, 6 months or not, the plane saw combat, its fast, and is still being talked about.
All in for the P-61?
I'm IN whether you people want it or not. lol
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Why? It would feel almost like an exact copy of the Lancaster. It would be much better to add a distinct aircraft that fills a gap. Right now there is no early war Allied bomber for use in the European Theater that the early war Axis fighters can actually catch. The Wellington B.Mk III would fill that gap with a bomber that is both usable, useful and and catchable by early Axis fighters. That is much more important than another bomber that fills exactly the same role as the Lancaster.
But why do we need the Devastator, (I probably spelled it wrong, and no offense ;)) but that thing was a waking death trap.
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I think we really need a Russian bomber. I'd personaly would love the TU-2.
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : I-16
Japanese: Ki-43
Germany: Me 109E7
U.S.A : P40N
Britain : Beaufighter
Italy -CR-42
Romania-IAR-80
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2
Japanese: Betty bomber
Germany: He-111
U.S.A : B-17F
Britain: Wellington
Italy SM-79
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : LaGG-3
Japanese: KI-43 OSCAR/KI-44 TOJO (both badly)
Germany: ME-410/ JU-87G-1 (Tank Killing Version w/th 37mm cannons)
U.S.A : P-40N Kittyhawk
Britain : Beaufighter
Italy -G.55 Centauro
Romania-IAR-80
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2/TU-2
Japanese: B7A GRACE/D4Y JUDY (both badly)
Germany: DO-217E-5
U.S.A : SB2C Helldiver
Britain: Wellington Mk. III
Italy: Cant Z.1007bis Alcione
:salute
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SuBWaYCH Karnak Guppy35 Jester
Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Yak-3 Yak-7 I-16 LaGG-3
Japanese: Ki-43/44 Ki-43 Ki-43 KI-43 KI-44 TOJO (both badly)
Germany ME-410 Me410 Me 109E7 ME-410/ JU-87G-1 (2x40mm variant)
U.S.A : Brewster Buffalo P40N P-40N
Britain : Beaufighter Beaufighter Beaufighter Beaufighter
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2/Te-2 Pe-2 Pe-2 Pe-2/TU-2
Japanese: Betty D4Y "Judy"/G4M2 Betty (G4m2) B7A GRACE/D4Y JUDY
Germany: He-111 Ju188A He-111 DO-217E-5
U.S.A : A-26 TBD Devastator B-17F SB2C Helldiver
Italy S.M.79-II SM-79 Cant Z.1007bis Alcione UK: Wellington B.Mk III Wellington Wellington
My apologies in advance if there are any formating errors, or mistakes.
First choice I have to agree on the Yak3.
Across the board, ki-43, agree, 44 would be a plus, but 43 first please.
3 out of 4 agree on the me410, as do I, long overdue.
Beaufighter, absolutely! Long long overdue.
Pe-2 can there be any doubt?
Japanese bomber set is a tough call no matter how you slice it.
Will the G4m2 Betty be flown in the main? Well thats hard to say. Might get some action in early or midwar arena's, and its a sorely missed staple for any pacific based event, from FSO to snapshots.
Do I want a betty worse than B7A GRACE/D4Y JUDY?
I find I agree with jester, late war carrier attack planes would be a bigger impact over all I think.
Although Ideally I'd love to see all 3, the betty, and Grace, and Judy.
Italy, put the SM79 on the list, but there are others I want first.
And the Wellington would top off the RAF nicely.
The reason I did this was I was amazed at how close those 4 people were on their choices.
4 respected long term, capable pilots with well educated choices.
HTC here is your build list for the next year. :)
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Japanese: B7A GRACE/D4Y JUDY (both badly)
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I'll give you the Judy, but the B7A?!
:huh
105 built. Introduced in 1944 and had no impact on the war whatsoever.
You're kidding me, right? There's other Japanese bombers far, far, far, far, FAR more representative that are needed FIRST. Like...oh...say...the G4M which was the main front-line Japanese bomber for pretty much the entire freakin' war.
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Yak-3/I16
Japanese: Ki-43 oscar
Germany: Do-217/ JU87 with 40mm x 2
U.S.A : n/a
Britain : Gloster Meteor
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Tu-2
Japanese: g4m2 Betty
Germany: He-111
U.S.A : B29 :t
Britain: Mossie variants, TSE TSE 57mm spud gun, and uprated insanely fast bomber variant with 6 eggs and a bombsight (no guns for reduced weight, formation optional)
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Japanese: Ki-43/44 (about even)
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The Ki-43 Hayabusa ("Oscar") was the most numerous (5,900+) of all the IJA fighters, and served (well past its prime!) for the entire duration of the war. IMHO, Aces High should model the K-43-IIb, since that was the most common (2,400+) variant.
The Ki-44 Shoki ("Tojo") ended up being an interim plane, with just over 1,200 produced. It was replaced as quickly as possible by the Ki-84 Hayate ("Frank"), which Aces High already has. The Ki-44 is really only a footnote, compared to either the Ki-43 or the Ki-84 (3,500+ produced).
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The Sikorsky R-4 rescue helicopter from Valerioland :D
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Fighter/Attack
USA:Brewster Buffalo
Britain:Beaufighter
Italy:G55
Germany:me-410
Russia:Mig 1 or 3
Japan:Ki-43
French:anything that can carry a white flag :t
Bomber
USA:PBY Catalina
Britain:Handley Page Hampden
Italy: Cant Z.1007 Alcione
Russia:Pe-2
Japan:G4M or H8K "Emily" 5 20mm gunner positions
Germany:He-111 or Do-17
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410 and 111, k , thnx
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I'll give you the Judy, but the B7A?!
:huh
105 built. Introduced in 1944 and had no impact on the war whatsoever.
You're kidding me, right? There's other Japanese bombers far, far, far, far, FAR more representative that are needed FIRST. Like...oh...say...the G4M which was the main front-line Japanese bomber for pretty much the entire freakin' war.
Nope, I was dead Serious. It comes down to practicallity.
The B5N KATE is pretty much just a "TARGET" unless set in the VERY early arenas - against anything mid to late war it is useless.
The reason I voted for the B7A GRACE over the B6N JILL is it is still faster and has a good armament package - 2x 20mm's forward (JILL has none) and one 13mm MG in the rear cockpit (JILL has the same 7.7mm pop-gun as the KATE). Being better able to defend itself you might actually get more pilots to fly the aircraft rather than it becoming a "Hangar Queen" that only gets flown once and awhile or in specific events.
About the numbers built - in that case - how many MACCHI MC.205 VELTRO's were built that actually saw action? 65 with the Regia Aeronautica before the surrender and maybe 100 more with the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicanna. However I see it used pretty regularly in all the arenas where it is available.
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Planes needed "by country" is too inclusive. Some countries simply didnt have much to offer. I will say that France should at least be represented with their best fighter (which saw action and was fielded in at least squad size): the D520. If rinky-dink Italia can have a couple of planes... then why not France?
Russia could use a bomber and the Il-4 fits the bill perfectly.
Germany could make use of the Ju-87G quite well.
The UK could make use of a bomber version of the Mossi.
The US could make use of the P40N, the last and best of the Warhawks. Otherwise.... there are other coutnries that could use more note worthy aircraft and current models that could use correction.
Japan is missing an attack craft worth mentioning (the D3 and B5N rarely make it to target before getting raped), and the Ki-45 "Nick" fits the bill perfectly. It can do it all (according to sources), but will likely do well in attack roles.
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : LaGG-3/Mig-3
Japanese: KI-43 OSCAR/Ki-45 Nick
Germany: ME-410/He-219 Uhu
U.S.A : P-61
Britain : Beaufighter
Italy -G.55 Centauro
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2/TU-2
Japanese: G4M Betty
Germany: HE-111
U.S.A : A-26/SB2C Helldiver
Britain: Wellington Mk. III
Italy: Cant Z.1007bis Alcione
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Fighter:
...Italy: C.200
Bomber:
...Italy: S.M.79-II
:aok
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Interesting I don't see alot of requests for the Mig 3 and none for the HEinkel single eng plywood jet fighter..was it the 163? Halifax is great choice for Brit plane, US could use the A26, 410 for Germany is a good one. How bout a set of the WWII bi-planes for early war? Italy and Germany had a couple of nice ones. The Betty is a great choice for Japan but the fighters listed would all be nice as well. How bout a Fiesler Storch that could carry 3 boxes of supplies? :) Junkers JU 52 for realism in snapshots or whatever...anyway interesting thread and good input.
LTARogue
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Interesting I don't see alot of requests for the Mig 3
The MiG 3 was a dog. It was a very beautiful aircraft, but it was a lightly armed and un-maneuverable.
and none for the HEinkel single eng plywood jet fighter..was it the 163?
I don't really think we need any more jets...
US could use the A26
Pretty far down the list IMO... the US has 8 bombers IIRC, The only other country that comes close is Germany with three.
How bout a set of the WWII bi-planes for early war? Italy and Germany had a couple of nice ones.
Most bi-planes were used pre-war. I would LOVE the Ar68 and I153 for a Spanish Civil War planeset, but this takes back seat to the original WWII planeset.
The Tante Ju (Aunt Ju- Junkers Ju52/3M) is at the top of my list along with the He111.
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Man i got my brit bombers mixed up. I meant the Short Stirling. :t
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R: I-16
Japanese: Ki 43
Germany: 109G-10
U.S.A: P-63
Britain: Typhoon IA
Italy: G.55 Serie I
Other: D.520, IAR.81C
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R: Tu-2
Japanese: G4M3
Germany: Ju 188
U.S.A: A-26/P-61
Britain: Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Italy: Cant Z. 1007
Other: LeO 451
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Pannono,
The Typhoon Mk Ia never saw service, AFAIK. It was ordered as a backup in case the Hispano cannons didn't work out. The Typhoon Mk Ia was to be armed with twelve .303 machine guns.
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Hey stupid question.....did the Sea Fury's see service in WWII or were they more Korean conflict? Didn't know if the Brit CV group serving in the Pacific had them.
LTARogue
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I think there's a limited number of aircraft left to do that would get used a lot in the late war MA. For the US, the A-26 Invader and the B-29, fighters are pretty well covered. For the LW the Me 410, He 177 and even the Hs 129. For the RAF, the Meteor, Beaufighter and the glass nose Mosquitoes. For the Soviets the Pe-2, Tu-2, Il-10 and Yak-3. For the Italians there is the G.55. I think we already have the only Japanese aircraft that would see a lot of use.
For scenarios there are too many to mention, but mainly we need some early war bombers like the He 111, Wellington, SM-79 and Betty.
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Hey stupid question.....did the Sea Fury's see service in WWII or were they more Korean conflict? Didn't know if the Brit CV group serving in the Pacific had them.
LTARogue
Fury and Sea Fury were both post war, as was the Tempest MK.II (radial engine).
My regards,
Widewing
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Hey stupid question.....did the Sea Fury's see service in WWII or were they more Korean conflict? Didn't know if the Brit CV group serving in the Pacific had them.
LTARogue
As I was told yesterday when I took this picture, the SeaFury did not see service. Beautiful aircraft.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/offenseman/2008_06080080712x534.jpg)
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and another thing. Why do so many people want the HE 111. Besides being a good EW or Scenario fit, I do not see what the attraction would be in having it. Not a criticism, just a question.
FWIW here is my list:
Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Yak 3
Japanese: KI-43 OSCAR
Germany: ME-410
U.S.A : P-40N Kittyhawk
Britian : Beaufighter
Italy -G.55 Centauro
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2
Japanese: D4Y JUDY
Germany: DO 217
U.S.A : SB2C Helldiver- Badly
Britain: Wellington Mk. III
Italy: SM 79
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The basic problem with any early war scenario with the current AH planeset is the lack of a bomber slow enough for the early war fighters to easily catch and kill. Currently we have to make do with the Ju 88A-4 and the Boston, the fastest Allied and Axis bombers of the period. The Ju 88A-4 was introduced in mid 41 and was faster, better armed and armoured than the 88A-1 and A-5s that flew in the BoB. Yet even these early 88s were much faster than the He111 and Dorniers which made up the bulk of the Luftwaffe. Similarly Bostons and the like formed only a small part of the RAF and the Armee de L'Air, the bulk of which were slower planes like the Wellington.
A slow bomber like the He 111 would make most early war scenarios much more realistic, as it would make a better substitute for many other slow vulnerable early war bombers from Britain, Japan, Italy and the Soviet Union.
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I'm listing totally new airframes, not variants (...or almost in the case of LaGG-3).
Fighter/Attacker:
USSR: LaGG-3
Japan: Ki-43
Germany: Me-410
USA: Brewster Buffalo (Hope to see Model 239 as a variant. :))
Britain: Beaufighter
Italy: C.200
Bomber/Attacker:
USSR : Pe-2
Japan: D4Y
Germany: Ju-188
USA : Devastator
Britain: Wellington
Italy: SM 79
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and another thing. Why do so many people want the HE 111. Besides being a good EW or Scenario fit, I do not see what the attraction would be in having it. Not a criticism, just a question.
The He-111 was one of the most important German bombers of the war. Most people who want it are not concerned about 'wot am teh bestest plain lol'.
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You may also be surprised by how an aircraft performs in the game, too. During the votes two patches ago, almost everyone (especially the A-26 camp) was complaining that the B-25 wasn't going to be of any use in the Arenas and was voted in almost entirely on the strength of name recognition.
However it's generally safe to say now that the 25H especially has found itself a steady niche as a heavy strafer/attacker and adequate tank-buster.
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The He-111 was one of the most important German bombers of the war. Most people who want it are not concerned about 'wot am teh bestest plain lol'.
This and the other answers to my question are appreciated. I enjoy the historical aspect and realize this statement is true. However I think that I let what I see in the MA (the attitude above) predjudice my opinion of why some one would want a certain platform. I am on board with the HE 111 when it comes time for a vote. Hopefully we can fly one in a Battle of Britain FSO soon. :)
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Italian. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/6e68f50925.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
YES!!!! :rock :aok
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Sorry to disrupt the order of things, but I'm happy with (almost) any list that includes the:
A-26
Mosquito Mk XVI
PBY Catalina
Bristol Beaufighter (Mk VI?)
And that's all I can think of at the moment...
I don't really think we need any more jets...
We do. It's called the Gloster Meteor.
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It's almost the same exact size as the Lancaster. Lancaster in blue, Halifax in pink.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/British_WW2_bombers_comparison.png)
I WANT THE YELLOW THING!
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I WANT THE YELLOW THING!
It was a disaster. The Lancaster is better in every way, and so was the Halifax.
Frankly, I think the Wellington was better overall.
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Yak-3
Japanese: Ki-43
Germany: ME-410
U.S.A : Brewster Buffalo
Britain : Beaufighter
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R : Pe-2
Japanese: Betty bomber
Germany: He-111
U.S.A : A-26
Britain: Mossie B Mk XVII
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We do. It's called the Gloster Meteor.
Why? Why do we need another latewar uber plane that didn't do anything noteworthy during the war? Especially the Meteor, which to my knowledge only intercepted buzz bombs over England and did a few vulching runs. Such an important hole in our planeset... :rolleyes:This and the other answers to my question are appreciated. I enjoy the historical aspect and realize this statement is true. However I think that I let what I see in the MA (the attitude above) predjudice my opinion of why some one would want a certain platform. I am on board with the HE 111 when it comes time for a vote. Hopefully we can fly one in a Battle of Britain FSO soon. :)
And, the thing is, no matter what we get, most people will still be flying La's, Spits, Niki's, P51's, B24's, and Lancasters.
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Fighter
U.S.S.R. - Mig-3
U.S.A. - Brewster Buffalo
U.K. - Sea Hurricane
Germany - ME-410
Japan - KI-100
Bomber/Attacker
U.S.S.R. - PE-2 or IL-10
U.S.A. - SB2C
U.K. - Beufighter
Germany - HS-129
Japan - B7A
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me 323 it is german
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I agree, 6 months or not, the plane saw combat, its fast, and is still being talked about.
All in for the P-61?
I'm IN whether you people want it or not. lol
If we were ever to get the P-61, it would either be the A or B model and it wasn't all that fast (366mph @20,000ft). The definitive model was the P-61C and it never saw any combat, arriving in the PTO after the war ended.
ack-ack
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Most bi-planes were used pre-war. I would LOVE the Ar68 and I153 for a Spanish Civil War planeset, but this takes back seat to the original WWII planeset.
There were a quite a few countries that operated bi-planes as their main front line fighter at the war's onset. There were only a very few countries that had a modern airforce, a lot more were in the midst of modernizing their air forces when the war started and had to fight with what they had. Poland is an example. Personally, I believe to truly have an early war plane set, it has to be made up of planes from 1939-1940 and include planes from the other countries that were at war, not just England, France, Italy and Germany. The air forces of the Low Countries and those in the North should be represented as well.
ack-ack
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U.S.S.R.: P-63 King Cobra.
I read up on the Mig 3, that thing was a literal failure. Pokryshkin flew the Mig 3 first, he only had 2 .303s in the nose. :O
Not trying to be that buzz kill to you guys who love the Mig 3 but, that thing would just be another "P-39" only flown by some.
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R - Tu-2 Tupolev
U.S.A - Brewster Buffalo
Germany - Me-210/410
U.K - Beaufighter
Japan - Ki-43 Oscar
Bomber
U.S.S.R - Tupolev Tu-8
U.S.A - PBY Catalina
Germany - He-111
U.K. - Handley Page Halifax
Japan - B4M Betty
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Fighter/Attacker
U.S.S.R - Reverse engineered 109G10 with Soviet markings.
U.S.A - Captured 109G10 undergoing testing.
Germany - 109G10.
U.K - 109G10 with a Hizooka in the snout.
Japan - 109G10 without a radio.
Bomber
All - 109G10 with a bomb.