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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on June 24, 2008, 07:56:43 PM
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A 37 minute video of the two killers being interviewed is here:
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=29586@ktvt.dayport.com
The short story is that these two 19 year old cousins took a pistol and went looking for someone to rob. They ended up killing two men for $2 and a car. They confessed to a television reporter (in the video linked above).
The first guy after 12 minutes of denial, admits the killing.
This first guy, Broadnax is the shooter. His key comments are:
..."I just blanked the f--- out," Broadnax said. "I shot him [Butler] and he stumbled back. I shot the driver [Swan]. He hit the ground, you know what I'm saying, but he leaned up like he was going to try to get back up, so I shot him in the head.
"Then his homeboy, I shot his a-- again, you know what I'm saying, but he was still trying to run off," he continued. "I knew he was going to die anyway, but just to make sure — pop, pop."
Broadnax said he shot Butler twice in the head...
...But Broadnax, who described his life as "hell," showed little remorse.
"I kind of regret what I did, but things can't change so no use crying over it," Broadnax said.
When asked about what he would say to the victims' families, Broadnax replied, "f--- 'em."
I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Since he confessed, it would seem a short trial and a swift execution is in order.
That said, how is it this country has bred legions of his clones? What the hell happened to us?
His cry that his life has been hell rings false to me. Innumerable people that came here as immigrants or were born here found themselves in worse circumstances than his but they didn't turn to murder. They worked and coped as best they could.
None the less it is clear we have created a society and a culture that does not value human life. I think we are seeing the very beginning of some major problems here. Give it another 30-40 years and it will make the Wild West of the dime novels seem tame.
Or am I over-reacting?
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I don't believe in the death penalty.
Instead, I think we should use them all for medical experimentation. why use rats when these guys can give us much more realistic answers in a shorter time? talk about paying your debt to society......let them help us cure cancer.
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And allow the murderers the brief thought that they are helping society?
Never.
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Just merk them, know what I mean?
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A 37 minute video of the two killers being interviewed is here:
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=29586@ktvt.dayport.com
The short story is that these two 19 year old cousins took a pistol and went looking for someone to rob. They ended up killing two men for $2 and a car. They confessed to a television reporter (in the video linked above).
The first guy after 12 minutes of denial, admits the killing.
This first guy, Broadnax is the shooter. His key comments are:
I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Since he confessed, it would seem a short trial and a swift execution is in order.
That said, how is it this country has bred legions of his clones? What the hell happened to us?
His cry that his life has been hell rings false to me. Innumerable people that came here as immigrants or were born here found themselves in worse circumstances than his but they didn't turn to murder. They worked and coped as best they could.
None the less it is clear we have created a society and a culture that does not value human life. I think we are seeing the very beginning of some major problems here. Give it another 30-40 years and it will make the Wild West of the dime novels seem tame.
Or am I over-reacting?
What you're seeing is the de-evolution of a society. And what may well be the downfall of the nation. And I'm not sure it'll take 30-40 years, either.
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Both of them should get the death penalty.
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no retribution, just a prayer and a shot of heart relaxant strong enough to stop the heart immediately. May God have mercy on your soul. Good bye and good riddance.
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I don't believe in the death penalty.
Instead, I think we should use them all for medical experimentation. why use rats when these guys can give us much more realistic answers in a shorter time? talk about paying your debt to society......let them help us cure cancer.
I struggle with the Death Penalty. On one hand, eye for an eye. On the other hand, I struggle with intent. In the example from the OP, the intent was to deny property, not kill. It was a "in the moment" killing. Thats where I struggle with it sometimes.
Death row inmates put a burden on the public. Most death row inmates spend upwards of 20-30 years in custody before their sentence is carried out. I think if the jury sentences you to death, it should be carried out within the first year.
Hope that made sense.
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I struggle with the Death Penalty. On one hand, eye for an eye. On the other hand, I struggle with intent. In the example from the OP, the intent was to deny property, not kill. It was a "in the moment" killing. Thats where I struggle with it sometimes.
Death row inmates put a burden on the public. Most death row inmates spend upwards of 20-30 years in custody before their sentence is carried out. I think if the jury sentences you to death, it should be carried out within the first year.
Hope that made sense.
see..i can't struggle with the death penalty. if you choose to take a life without a dam good reason(such as defending yourself or your family), then at the point you take that life, you just gsave up any rights to your own life. period. end of story. why should we pay for you to live in prison becuse you killed someone......
bullets are cheap.
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I think if the jury sentences you to death, it should be carried out within the first year.
the reason they have so many years is because of appeals, and trying to delay their death. I say not one year, but give them only a decade. If you can't prove your innocence by then, too bad.
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Give them both a "Blunt" Blunt Head Trama.
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Anybody here know what a frame is?
:devil
Just for the uninformed... A frame is just that... a frame, but it is rather large and sturdy. the top of the frame is rounded to allow hands to grip, the frame itself is around 8 feet high and suspended from the frame are thin wires attached to small gangs of hooks.
The subject is stood on a platform and has his hands attached to the top rung and securely fastened so they cannot let go.then a cut is made around the both ankles, up the inside leg and meeting at the perineum. The hooks are then attached to the skin around the ankles, the platform is removed and once the strength is their arms gives out, gravity does the rest.
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No wonder I have bad "Frame Rates" in the game....
:P
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I struggle with the Death Penalty. On one hand, eye for an eye. On the other hand, I struggle with intent. In the example from the OP, the intent was to deny property, not kill. It was a "in the moment" killing. Thats where I struggle with it sometimes.
Death row inmates put a burden on the public. Most death row inmates spend upwards of 20-30 years in custody before their sentence is carried out. I think if the jury sentences you to death, it should be carried out within the first year.
Hope that made sense.
Intent means nothing if the victim is still dead.
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None the less it is clear we have created a society and a culture that does not value human life. I think we are seeing the very beginning of some major problems here. Give it another 30-40 years and it will make the Wild West of the dime novels seem tame.
Or am I over-reacting?
Yes, you're over-reacting. Yes, they should be killed (swiftly) when they're presumably found guilty.
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Anybody here know what a frame is?
:devil
Just for the uninformed... A frame is just that... a frame, but it is rather large and sturdy. the top of the frame is rounded to allow hands to grip, the frame itself is around 8 feet high and suspended from the frame are thin wires attached to small gangs of hooks.
The subject is stood on a platform and has his hands attached to the top rung and securely fastened so they cannot let go.then a cut is made around the both ankles, up the inside leg and meeting at the perineum. The hooks are then attached to the skin around the ankles, the platform is removed and once the strength is their arms gives out, gravity does the rest.
I like it SD... you had me at perineum. :aok
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personally, i belive they should do the whole eye for an eye, i dont remember who made it, i know it was long time ago, but like, if u shoot somone in the head wit a 12 guage... then that person should b shot in the head wit a 12 guage
-BigBOBCH
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so if i was busted for being a street pimp what would my punishment be redman?
Some people may blame the world on the influences around us, movies and video games, rock an roll music, blame whatever you like. Even before our time there would have been legends and folklore that inspired violence and dominance ammoung the masses. The truth of it is not that we inspire this behaviour through media or word of mouth, but that the actions and nature of human beings has inspired us to create those things that we now accuse of being the cause.
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Appeal? They confessed! This should be short and sweet.
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Hang em in the public square at noon. There is much to be said about public executions. I wonder how many of these thugs would keep doing the crap they're doing if they got to watch in person their buddy dangling from the gallows?
The simple fact of the matter is this. In our effort to be more humane, we as a society have done NOTHING but ENABLE this sort of behavior. I blame all the left wing, touchy feel good about themselves, metrosexuals, for the state our society has fallen into. FACT: the world is a harsh and dangerous place. You want to survive, you better be ready to deal with the harsh reality.
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damn zeta! I got to admit that your idea has appeal and seems to satisfy both a lust for revenge and for justice and.. would would do for getting rid of an obvious threat but then....
My morality kicks in and I say... execute the poor souls and put them out of their misery and protect society from their sickness.
A confession freely given should make for a very short trial IMO.
lazs
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damn zeta! I got to admit that your idea has appeal and seems to satisfy both a lust for revenge and for justice and.. would would do for getting rid of an obvious threat but then....
My morality kicks in and I say... execute the poor souls and put them out of their misery and protect society from their sickness.
A confession freely given should make for a very short trial IMO.
lazs
I've discussed that issue hundreds of times.......and had people agree...and also had a drink thrown in my face once while discussing it. I really do think it would be a great alternative to simply "killing" them. why not allow them to help us fight disease? cure cancer? is medical experimentation over the top for these killers? most people don't realize how LONG it takes for medical breakthroughs to happen...the pipeline can take years...first with animals...then over a prolonged time...with people who volunteer in prolonged drug trials. this would greatly expedite the situation. would that not be the ULTIMATE payback to society?
I'm also for taking government out of the prison business and handing it over to private industry...but still have it monitored heavily. we are not building enough prisons, and the govt can't run anything right as it is. For example... goodyear tire and rubber .... running a prison.......and when the inmates get out.......they will actually have real life work experience. win/win...and it did not cost us a penny.
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Not to mention you can use the carbon from the ashes to blacken the rubber for the tyres!
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Not to mention you can use the carbon from the ashes to blacken the rubber for the tyres!
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn304/ZetaNine/Carbonguy.jpg)
Oi Oi Oi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need this kind of thinking in the USA
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Or am I over-reacting?
There was a guy, his name escapes me at the moment, who was mentally ill. A mass murderer was going around at the time, and this guy was sending mail to the police with advice on how to catch the guy. Eventually they the crazy guy in, and had him sign a full confession. Jury deliberations took 1 hour. The judge said he would hang the guy if the death penalty was allowed.
He sat in jail for over 20 years.
Eventually, DNA evidence cleared him completely, and it turns out, he was just mentally ill. Go figure.
Kinda hard to undo that if he was executed.
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There was a guy, his name escapes me at the moment, who was mentally ill. A mass murderer was going around at the time, and this guy was sending mail to the police with advice on how to catch the guy. Eventually they the crazy guy in, and had him sign a full confession. Jury deliberations took 1 hour. The judge said he would hang the guy if the death penalty was allowed.
He sat in jail for over 20 years.
Eventually, DNA evidence cleared him completely, and it turns out, he was just mentally ill. Go figure.
Kinda hard to undo that if he was executed.
an innocent little kid was hit by a car and killed. let's stop making cars.
rare occurrences happen......... such is life.......and death
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zeta.. I guess I am just an old sentimental softy when it comes to the whole torture thing.. especially when it involves government doing the torturing.
I just feel that they are sick puppies that are also a threat and a quick bullet to the head is the humane thing to do.
Now.. torture on a personal level? depends on what I needed to know. I would still find it distasteful tho.
lazs
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Eventually, DNA evidence cleared him completely, and it turns out, he was just mentally ill. Go figure.
Kinda hard to undo that if he was executed.
Kinda hard to believe that two cousins are both having the same exact mental illness dream sequence too.
If you listen to what they admit to doing and do a bit of reading about how they were arrested and the evidence against them (they were driving the car of one of the murdered men and had his driver's licencse in their possession) it's pretty hard to believe they are both imagining this. I think they'll have the murder weapon and a ballistic match soon if they don't have it already.
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zeta.. I guess I am just an old sentimental softy when it comes to the whole torture thing.. especially when it involves government doing the torturing.
I just feel that they are sick puppies that are also a threat and a quick bullet to the head is the humane thing to do.
Now.. torture on a personal level? depends on what I needed to know. I would still find it distasteful tho.
lazs
I'm not talking about hitler-esque torture. I'm talking about the same things many poor people do now to earn money...subsrcribing to new drug testing trials. I'm all for humane controls in the system.
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Here's another guy who needs to be put down. No killing... 8 rapes, including a 13-year-old girl. It would be nice had they taken care of him 20 years ago so this woman could get on with her life.
http://beta.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080625/NEWS/806250438&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
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Not-gunna-doit Sob.
The SC just released an opinion on this. Kennedy v LA is a death penalty for rape case.
The Justice Kennedy opinion in Kennedy v. LA is categorical -- the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.
Best we can hope for is no parole evah!
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Kinda hard to believe that two cousins are both having the same exact mental illness dream sequence too.
If you listen to what they admit to doing and do a bit of reading about how they were arrested and the evidence against them (they were driving the car of one of the murdered men and had his driver's licencse in their possession) it's pretty hard to believe they are both imagining this. I think they'll have the murder weapon and a ballistic match soon if they don't have it already.
I don't know the specifics of this case, didn't read them. I'm just commenting on "Death Penalty for confessed killers?".
It doesn't make any sense to me, since some people confess to things they never did, and are just nutcases. If there's a confession AND rock solid evidence, sure, fry 'em. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.
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Noted. I should have put "THESE" between the "for" and the "confessed" in the thread title.
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an innocent little kid was hit by a car and killed. let's stop making cars.
rare occurrences happen......... such is life.......and death
Yeah lets compare an automobile accident with willfully executing a person. :rock
Do you think before you write this stuff, or does it just kind of spew out?
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Noted. I should have put "THESE" between the "for" and the "confessed" in the thread title.
Ahh in that case, if they have the forensic matches, I don't really see a problem with it. Even in a confession, human witnesses are the last thing you should use. They're the absolute least reliable thing you can bring to a courtroom.
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Ahh in that case, if they have the forensic matches, I don't really see a problem with it. Even in a confession, human witnesses are the last thing you should use. They're the absolute least reliable thing you can bring to a courtroom.
Watch the video Indy.
The first guy is an arrogant cold blooded killer.
His partner tries to come off as a nice guy that just wanted to rob the vicitms, while at the same time admitting he told his cousin that in order to pull off the robery they would have to shoot the victims to "scare them" but not kill them. WTF?
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Not sure if you are overreacting or not Toad. I suppose it all depends on where you believe the real problem lies.
My best guess and opinion is that the higher the sense of entitlement a person has, the more likely he/she will be a threat to society. This person claims to have a bad life, but that is really a matter of perspective. A rich kid who loses his $10,000 a week allowance could call his life hell as well. A person who has perpetually blamed everyone for his/her mistakes would say the same thing.
People devoid of accepting responsibility for their own lives and expecting everyone to cater to them has become a disease in this country. Again, my opinion, but I am convinced it will get worse as the collective society that is "us" does not seem to want to take any actions to correct it.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Yeah lets compare an automobile accident with willfully executing a person. :rock
it wasn't an accident.......the driver was drunk.
i can't help it if you fail to see the bigger picture here....or shall I move onto your likely theory that we should ban all prescription drugs because while the drug companies and the rest of us "WILLFULLY" comprehend the fact that in a very small percentage of instances...some may die from said drugs.......the minimal risk is still worth it.
spare us the berkely mentality.
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If the death penalty worked. Then there would be no more murders. It's not a deterent just revenge. People kill like they always have. There is nothing new in that.
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I don't view it as revenge at all.
I view it as the keystone of the non-recidivism program. To date, not one convicted killer that has been executed has ever killed again after the sentence was carried out.
To me if it deters someone else that is an unexpected and welcome bonus. Deterrence has nothing to do with the no recidivism program though.
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Perhaps one person's revenge is another person's justice.
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The death penalty is not a unique deterant,that is it no more stops someone committing a murder than a life sentence.if you want to stop crime you have to improve detection,this is what makes someone pause for thought -Am I going to get caught.
In Britain serial killers like Fred West and Harold Shipman have hanged themselves, not long after starting their life sentences,had we had the death penalty you could argue that the state was doing them a favour
The mentally ill sometimes admit to murders they did not comit,as in the case of the A6 murders in the 1960's, were a schizophrenic man confessed to a crime we now know due to DNA evidence was indeed carried out by the man found guilty at the time.
The strongest argument against capitol punishment is miscarriage's of Justice.in Britain recently we have had the Birmingham six and the Guildford four all of whom would have been murdered by the state had capitol punishment been an option;an more recently a mentally disabled man serving life imprisonment for the murder of a teenage girl 30 year's ago,was released after DNA evidence came to light,proving his innocence.The man has since died.
No matter how many checks an balances you put in place,the death penalty means the death of innocent people,and I have to put myself in the place of the Mother or Father of those innocent!
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so my question is who is gonna prosecute this Government for all its murders?
oh wait there fighting "terrorists"
:lol :lol :lol
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If the death penalty worked. Then there would be no more murders. It's not a deterrent just revenge. People kill like they always have. There is nothing new in that.
I agree with Toad. The death penalty is not going to change the violent crime rate. All it is for is to eradicate a problem from society. It does not hurt that it helps to reduce the tax burden for all of us as well, if it was properly implemented.
Anyone thinking that violent criminals can be converted to upstanding citizens is dreaming. In the overall scheme of things, it is always possible for someone to be "wired" wrong from birth. A mistake, an abberation. It happens. No one can guarantee every person born will be wired right. Society has a responsibility to remove the damaged individual so they cannot harm others.
Unfortunately, we are not advanced enough to be able to detect these types of problems until it is too late. At that point, all we can do is to remove them to prevent them from harming others again.
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I agree with Toad. The death penalty is not going to change the violent crime rate. All it is for is to eradicate a problem from society. It does not hurt that it helps to reduce the tax burden for all of us as well, if it was properly implemented.
Anyone thinking that violent criminals can be converted to upstanding citizens is dreaming. In the overall scheme of things, it is always possible for someone to be "wired" wrong from birth. A mistake, an abberation. It happens. No one can guarantee every person born will be wired right. Society has a responsibility to remove the damaged individual so they cannot harm others.
Unfortunately, we are not advanced enough to be able to detect these types of problems until it is too late. At that point, all we can do is to remove them to prevent them from harming others again.
so what you are saying is if we could tell a kid had a possibility that he may be a violent criminal, that we should take them out as young as possible?
there are more people in prison for drug use then any thing else, kinda absurd when this is supposed to be a free country.
we as a country need to stop worrying about the rest of the world,being the world police,and take care of our own.
stop spending the amount of money we do on how to kill people, and actually put it towards what will benefit ALL people.
put murderers, child rapists, rapists, to death.you cant "rehabilitate" these types.
make it mandatory every one owns a gun,(criminals will stop there criminal ways)
and make it so if you are in the government you get paid ONLY while in it, and not some absurd amount, and not let them stay in it for years and years.
get rid of the whole idea of "National security", (this gives the government above the law power) especially with the "patriot act"
and only go to war when war comes to us.
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If the death penalty worked. Then there would be no more murders. It's not a deterent just revenge. People kill like they always have. There is nothing new in that.
if the death penalty was ALLOWED to work, it would. since these criminals know that they're gonna spend most of the rest of their lives fighting it, they don't worry about it. if they knew that they'd be put to death quickly if they got caught, they'd most likely not murder
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I view it as the keystone of the non-recidivism program. To date, not one convicted killer that has been executed has ever killed again after the sentence was carried out.
Exactly.
I am for the death penalty. In this particular case, heck ya, fry them, shoot them, inject them....whatever, but do it quickly and don't waste taxpayer money.
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it wasn't an accident.......the driver was drunk.
I have absolutely no idea what incident you are talking about. I was assuming it's hypothetical. See, there's still a problem with whatever point you think you're trying to get across. You're talking about crimes themselves. The death penalty is a punishment for crimes. That's quite a big difference.
i can't help it if you fail to see the bigger picture here....or shall I move onto your likely theory that we should ban all prescription drugs because while the drug companies and the rest of us "WILLFULLY" comprehend the fact that in a very small percentage of instances...some may die from said drugs.......the minimal risk is still worth it.
If you can't see the difference between making a voluntary choice to take a perscription drug, and the death penalty.... I've got nothing for that. That's the most bizare analogy I've ever seen. :huh
spare us the berkely mentality.
:lol I would've turned water hoses and tear gas on the tree sitters already.
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so what you are saying is if we could tell a kid had a possibility that he may be a violent criminal, that we should take them out as young as possible? (excess removed)
No, I did not say that at all. You seem to think that everyone is salvageable, by your comment. I was trying to be very specific. Allow me to try again using an analogy.
If you take a high speed racing engine and xray the pistons for cracks and find some, then you replace the pistons as the engine will probably blow up if you do not do so. This could kill the driver or other innocent people.
Unfortunately, if the brain of a person is defective, we cannot replace it. If a person's brain is wired for violence, there is nothing we can do to keep that person from being violent. short of pumping them full of drugs to keep them in a state of stupor.. If our technology was advanced enough, we could prevent that person from ever harming anyone.
Now, that is not to say all violent crime is the result of someone being physically wired wrong. As a race, we are all capable of violent behavior. Our internal checks and balances prevent most of us from ever getting to the point of inflicting violence on others. Once in a while though, it happens. These are the gray areas and should be taken on a case by case basis.
I do not advocate wholesale usage of the death penalty. I believe there are times it is the only option though and it should be carried out swiftly. This case is one of those times.
There is also times I believe a person cannot help themselves simply due to a physical abberation in their brain or chemical makeup. In these cases, they should be eliminated as well.
My opinion.
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Why is it that certain Afro-Americans are so fond of asking if the person they are speaking to 'know what they are saying'?
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No, I did not say that at all. You seem to think that everyone is salvageable, by your comment. I was trying to be very specific. Allow me to try again using an analogy.
If you take a high speed racing engine and xray the pistons for cracks and find some, then you replace the pistons as the engine will probably blow up if you do not do so. This could kill the driver or other innocent people.
Unfortunately, if the brain of a person is defective, we cannot replace it. If a person's brain is wired for violence, there is nothing we can do to keep that person from being violent. short of pumping them full of drugs to keep them in a state of stupor.. If our technology was advanced enough, we could prevent that person from ever harming anyone.
Now, that is not to say all violent crime is the result of someone being physically wired wrong. As a race, we are all capable of violent behavior. Our internal checks and balances prevent most of us from ever getting to the point of inflicting violence on others. Once in a while though, it happens. These are the gray areas and should be taken on a case by case basis.
I do not advocate wholesale usage of the death penalty. I believe there are times it is the only option though and it should be carried out swiftly. This case is one of those times.
There is also times I believe a person cannot help themselves simply due to a physical abberation in their brain or chemical makeup. In these cases, they should be eliminated as well.
My opinion.
i see you did not read further down my post were i say to kill, MURDERERS,CHILD RAPISTS,RAPISTS.
for there is no Rehabilitating these types.
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I did read your post. I took the part I was concerned with, as it sounded like I did not represent my opinion well enough and explained it in more detail.
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Yikes, this thread may not end well.
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ROX
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Lol Death Penalty??? I saw on the news their is 500 and something death row inmates in Kalifornia.
Kalifornia is way liberal...hence...these guys will never get executed...why even sentence the scums
to the death....it takes years for it to happen and lots of time it never does.
The problem in this country is the laws are not strict enough...and the criminals know it...they
get caught stealing...slap on the hand......if these scums knew there were real hard repercussions for their actions they would
think twice....so we as tax payers have to pay for this crap.
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Instead, I think we should use them all for medical experimentation. why use rats when these guys can give us much more realistic answers in a shorter time? talk about paying your debt to society......let them help us cure cancer.
It would violate damn near every research law and regulation on the books, not to mention the 8th amendment, to conduct biomedical research on a prisoner without informed consent. Besides, no ethical researcher would conduct such research.
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ink.. you need to re read bones post as you seem to not have understood any of it.
I agree that the death penalty is both and end to further misery caused by the person put to death and the end to his personal hell...
So far as I know.. I can think of no modern case of anyone who was executed falsely.
I think the SC was wrong in their decision about the death penalty for child rapists as pedophiles are simply broken and unfixable and living in a hell we can't imagine.. it is a mercy to put them down.. we show more mercy to animals that are suffering.
lazs
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Verneal Jimerson,Dennis Williams,Joseph Burrows,Rolando Cruz,Alejandro Hernandez,Gary Gauger,Carl Lawson,Perry Cobb and darby Tillis.all these men were on death row in Illinois,all have since been found innocent and freed.
in great Britain
"Timothy John Evans,had been found guilty of murder and was sentenced to death by hanging. Christie had provided important testimony against Evans where the latter was found guilty of murdering his baby daughter and was subsequently executed. It was later found out that Christie had been an active serial killer during the time Evans and his wife and daughter had lodged at the premises; Christie was definitively linked to the murder of six women (one of whom was his own wife) on the site. "
In 2006 at least 1,591 people were put to death in 25 nations, but 91% of those were executed in six countries: China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and the US.
I hope the United states remains one of the better places to live ,unlike the other five country's on that list.Your more like your enemy's than you think.
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So far as I know.. I can think of no modern case of anyone who was executed falsely.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238 (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238)
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238 (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238)
I think DNA evidence combined with modern forensics will prevent innocent people from getting the death sentence in the future. It is very hard to not leave some DNA evidence at the scene of a crime. DNA evidence has cleared a lot of people since it was first introduced. It will also prevent many innocents from being found guilty in the future along with providing hard evidence to link the real criminals to the crimes they commit.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238 (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2238)
Wow the cops picked all those poor souls up on thier way to the church choir while helping an old woman across the street. :furious
my thoughts on the death penalty
The court finds you guilty
Sentance is death to be carried out withen the hour
may God have mercy on your soul.
Another simple solution if by the slim chance the DA sentances an innocent man to death. He himself and the Investigating Officer forfeits their lives. That will keep the Nifongs in check.
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I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Since he confessed, it would seem a short trial and a swift execution is in order.
That said, how is it this country has bred legions of his clones? What the hell happened to us?
His cry that his life has been hell rings false to me. Innumerable people that came here as immigrants or were born here found themselves in worse circumstances than his but they didn't turn to murder. They worked and coped as best they could.
None the less it is clear we have created a society and a culture that does not value human life. I think we are seeing the very beginning of some major problems here. Give it another 30-40 years and it will make the Wild West of the dime novels seem tame.
Or am I over-reacting?
I don't think it is an exaggeration. There are inproportionate numbers of young black people in the USA that are ruined. This is not a rascist statement, it is a universally accepted observation. The root cause is the only controversy.
It is male and female homo sapiens that are producing the monsters without concsience or any sense of morality. I believe the results could be duplicated in the lab. Take any infant and withhold parental love and nurturing, withhold training in socialization or discipline, instruct amorality and irresponsibility by example, throw in some physical and mental abuse, and you have produced an individual that is not like you or I. Every now and then a loving family will produce an aberration, but it is rare.
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i dont agree completly Gunthr. I agree that a solid family base will help a child progress in the 'right' direction but very often life throws circumstance at the individual in such a way that no ammount of loving parenting can prevent the mental shift from stable to dangerous.
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Case in point.
When I was a kid, my Uncle was a lot of fun. Quite the comic and light-hearted guy. Always enjoyed being around him and he loved us kids.
He suffered serious head truma in a car accident one year. He was never the same after that. Dark, moody, brooding all the time. He spent the next couple of years in and out of hospitals and physciatric wards trying to get better. He knew something was wrong with him. His memories were still in tact. He could not understand what was wrong. We all suffered watching him go through all of this.
One night, he murdered his Wife. Then killed himself. He left a note that simply read, "I cannot take it anymore. I am sorry."
Here was a wonderful, caring person, who had a physical alteration of his brain occur. Nothing anyone could do about it. The straw for him was being told the only thing that could be done would be to put him in a menal ward strapped to a bed and kept on medication the rest of his life. He snapped.
The only thing that prevented him from going on a rampage to begin with was his previous life experience. He knew it was wrong to be violent. He could not help himself and neither could the doctors. In the end, he did the only thing that would ever bring him peace, but he took an innocent life with him.
People born with these issues will never be able to deal with it as they have no basis in reality for them to be able to fight the urge to be violent.
I knew a kid in high school who was prone to violent behavior. Teachers were afraid of him. Anytime anyone said anything to him, he would go berserk. He should not have been in a public school, but his family was rich. One day he broke into this home of one of the teachers. He raped her while making her kids watch, then he set her on fire, then killed the kids. He laughed about it later talking about how cool it was to her the screams.
None of that should have happened and it could have all been prevented.
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very distressing bones.
i broke my neck aged 16 and it left me with some serious nerve damage in the base of my skull. It actualy hurts so much at times that i would consider death as a beautifull release, but always manage to convince myself to grin and bear it. The imense pain drives me through the wall, i can imagine that should i not have been gifted with a good dose of inteligence that i might turn to bringing suffering on other people just to ease my own pain.
Some people have much bigger problems than I, and many have much weaker minds to deal with it. Again, just really to back up my point that sometimes you cannot blame any outside influence for a persons misgivings other than taking a look at what the person's life is like for them, walking in another's shoes is one of the hardest things to accomplish that i know of.
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What is distressing is the scenarios I lived through are played out somewhere in the world, everyday. It took me a long time to come to grips with what my Uncle did. Only after I started studying the human brain did I learn we know so very little about it and are still theorizing how it all works.
Forget about repairing it. There is no way to fix a brain, today and not in the foreseeable future.
For some reason our society feels less pity for the victims of violent crimes than the ones who commit them. We are all too willing to let violent criminals back on the street even though we know there is a good chance they will repeat their violent behavior.
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gunther.. that is extremely well put.
"I don't think it is an exaggeration. There are inproportionate numbers of young black people in the USA that are ruined. This is not a rascist statement, it is a universally accepted observation. The root cause is the only controversy.
It is male and female homo sapiens that are producing the monsters without concsience or any sense of morality. I believe the results could be duplicated in the lab. Take any infant and withhold parental love and nurturing, withhold training in socialization or discipline, instruct amorality and irresponsibility by example, throw in some physical and mental abuse, and you have produced an individual that is not like you or I. Every now and then a loving family will produce an aberration, but it is rare."
I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either... I also kind of doubt you could reproduce these horrific results in a lab. Not without generations at least.
There is a large segment of the population that is ruined.. beyond redemption or salvation at this point for at least a couple of generations. Unfortunately we are making it worse with our "programs".
lazs
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I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either...
It's not. Bad parents put out bad kids. It's pretty universal. The differences I've seen is that the white, upper-class deliquents I've known had better lawyers purchased for them. Probation instead of a stay in Criminal College.
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I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either... I also kind of doubt you could reproduce these horrific results in a lab. Not without generations at least.- Lazs
We have now arrived in dangerous territory... but I will carefully proceed....
I've got to believe that all men are created equal. But, I'm thinking that what this actually means is that we are all equal in God's eyes - but not necessarily equal in genetic heritage, or equal in the survival or adaptive value of the different cultures we are born into, and not equal in the ability of our family members' ability to navigate mainstream society or their ability to teach us to do so, or the ability of our families to love, nurture, teach, discipline and socialize us.
If a young boy sees and hears his mom lying to a social worker and scamming welfare, sees his mom doing drugs, prostituting herself for it, maybe sees her stealing steaks at the supermarket, never sees his dad, comes home with a stolen bike and nobody asks him where he got it, or maybe even congratulates him for it, if he sees men beating his mom, or gets beaten himself, or beats others without consequences, if nobody around him has a valid drivers license, or any education, all adults around are alchoholics or drug addicts, 60% of his adult role models have been incarcerated... nobody cares if he goes to school or not, and certainly takes little interest in his learning, its pretty clear how that kid will most likely turn out. Some do rise above it, but many do not.
I don't know what to do about it except to hold up the values of conservatism. Black men like Bill Cosby, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas and others get it. Actually, I DO know what needs to be done. Whites can't do it for them. Government can't do it. The only solution is within the black community, which happens to be the most frequent victim of this pathology.
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Appeal? They confessed! This should be short and sweet.
well.... i say throw u in a pit wit a bunch of gay guys for 3 years lol, o and btw, if u read the name it says CONFESSED KILLERS not pimps
-BigBOBCH