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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: bmwgs on June 27, 2008, 12:12:13 AM
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Got my new CH Fighter stick and throttle. First thanks to The Fugitive and SIK1 for their assistance where to purchase it.
I need some assistance in how players that are using this sticks are setting up their views. The 8 way hat is on the top of the stick and not really convenient to get to. The bottom hat is 4 way, so it doesn't give all the view angles.
I was using a X-52 Pro and I had the 8 way hat set for the surrounding views with an up view toggle on the throttle to get the upper views. The 8 way hat on the CH is not convenient to do this since it is above the 4 way hat.
The way I have is set up now is I have the upper 8 way hat set to all the surrounding views and the lower 4 way hat set to the front, side and rear views. Its working but I really don't like the setup.
I am curious how others with the same stick are setting up their views.
Thanks
Fred
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You can always use the 8 way hat on the throttle for your views.
I used the botton on the bottom of the stick for up view.
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Mine
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrstick.jpg)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrthrottle.jpg)
Rolex's
(http://tech-rep.org/stick.jpg)
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(http://tech-rep.org/throttle.jpg)
Widewing's (sorry, can't seem to find his throttle map)
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/stick.jpg)
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Normal flight mode (stick set#1)
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AKUAG/TheVault_Files/spat_fighterstick1.gif)
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AKUAG/TheVault_Files/spat_prothrottle.gif)
Landing mode variant (stick set#2)
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AKUAG/TheVault_Files/spat_fighterstick.gif)
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AKUAG/TheVault_Files/spat_prothrottle1.gif)
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Thanks to all. I really got a lot more than I expected. :salute
Where did y'all get those blank diagrams? I would like to have a couple so when I map mine, I can remember where everything is.
Thanks again,
Fred
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oh yer, and my sticks rotary is RPM analog +-
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Mine
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrstick.jpg)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrthrottle.jpg)
Rolex's
(http://tech-rep.org/stick.jpg)
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(http://tech-rep.org/throttle.jpg)
Widewing's (sorry, can't seem to find his throttle map)
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/stick.jpg)
Murdr how did you program the mini-stick on the pro throttle. I have not been able to program it.
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What seems to be the problem wizer? Are the axis not showing up in AH control mapper? I do use Control Manager to configure my stick (no mapping, just the setup for the 3 devices as 1 under windows, and what axis I have enabled).
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Got my new CH Fighter stick and throttle. First thanks to The Fugitive and SIK1 for their assistance where to purchase it.
I need some assistance in how players that are using this sticks are setting up their views. The 8 way hat is on the top of the stick and not really convenient to get to. The bottom hat is 4 way, so it doesn't give all the view angles.
I was using a X-52 Pro and I had the 8 way hat set for the surrounding views with an up view toggle on the throttle to get the upper views. The 8 way hat on the CH is not convenient to do this since it is above the 4 way hat.
The way I have is set up now is I have the upper 8 way hat set to all the surrounding views and the lower 4 way hat set to the front, side and rear views. Its working but I really don't like the setup.
I am curious how others with the same stick are setting up their views.
Thanks
Fred
I USE THE 8WAY HAT ON THE THROTTLE.......and the very bottom button on the stick in combo to give me my up angles. it took some getting used to, but works nicely
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Can you give your setups for vehicles/boats? I'm having a hell of a time getting it set up, and I have the same CH gear as the original poster.
Thanks!
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this thread should be stickied
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Hi BMWG'S
I would like to ask you some questions if I may. I am intersted in purchasing a X-52 pro may I ask why are you switching joysticks. How did you like the X-52 did it perform will how about its functionality. How did you fine the layout of the button and hat switches were they in a convent location.
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Hi BMWG'S
I would like to ask you some questions if I may. I am intersted in purchasing a X-52 pro may I ask why are you switching joysticks. How did you like the X-52 did it perform will how about its functionality. How did you fine the layout of the button and hat switches were they in a convent location.
X-52 rocks :rock , I have one and have used it for two years now. It still performs great, but i do have a little play in the twist. Buttons are all in great locations, Hats feel good. go for it you'll love it :salute
however, From what I have heard and seen the CH is a way better stick. when it comes time for me to upgrade I want one.... :pray
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Hi BMWG'S
I would like to ask you some questions if I may. I am intersted in purchasing a X-52 pro may I ask why are you switching joysticks. How did you like the X-52 did it perform will how about its functionality. How did you fine the layout of the button and hat switches were they in a convent location.
I'm not a computer geek, having being born before the computer age, so last year I bought the X-52 based on information on the BBS. I should have done some more reading before I bought it. The X-52PRO switches are set up perfectly, but after getting this CH Stick, I wonder wheather the X-52 ever worked right. To me the difference is night and day. I, and I mean I, feel after using the CH Stick for a couple of days, the CH Stick is far superior than the X-52. The only thing I don't like about the CH is the Stick 8 way hat is at the upper part of the stick. I use these for my views and I would rather have is on the bottom where there is a 4 way hat.
I know of several people who have had numerous problems with their X-52. The reason I made the change was because while playing this week several of my hat switches quit working. I decided not to mess with it and just buy the CH. I couldn't have made a better decision.
Hope this answers you questions.
Fred
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Thank you for your input. I guess I will have to think about it. I like that you don't need to buy a separate rudder controller with the X-52 it gets expensive buying all three pieces.
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Thank you for your input. I guess I will have to think about it. I like that you don't need to buy a separate rudder controller with the X-52 it gets expensive buying all three pieces.
I sort of look at it like this. As much fun as I have with the game, and all the money it has saved me by keeping me from going out and finding other things to spend my money on, I figure its a small investment.
Fred
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I tell my wife the same thing at least once a week :D
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Thank you for your input. I guess I will have to think about it. I like that you don't need to buy a separate rudder controller with the X-52 it gets expensive buying all three pieces.
In the long run the CH gear is cheaper. If you have to replace your X52 every couple of years, you will easily pay more for those as once you have CH gear, you most likely won't ever buy another set again. CH last forever, and should you have a problem, parts are readily available.
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I've had plenty of CH gear and now use an X-52 Pro, which has worked better for longer than any CH stick or throttle ever did for me. You can't assume your experience with a product or company is everyone else's experience.
I do think the X52 Pro throttle could use one or two more 4-way buttons instead of mouse scrolling, clicking or tracking.
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Rolex do you find the X52 Pro to be as precise and smooth as the CH stick?
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My experience with this X-52 Pro has been that I'm now comfortable with the spring tension compared to all the CH sticks I've used. I have 4 CH sticks and they all feel different with all of them too delicate and twitchy compared to the X-52 Pro. The centering spring tension is the main difference, in my opinion.
The X-52 Pro has hall sensors for x & y axes and they seem as precise and smooth as any CH stick. I use pedals, so my z axis is locked and I can't comment on the feeling of the z pot (it is a pot and not a hall sensor).
The suction cups on the X-52 Pro stick and throttle bases are solid and a welcome relief from having to block or tape CH gear. The throttle feeling and response is much more smooth than any of the CH throttles I have. The throttle tension is adjustable. The CH throttle feels cheap. They wobble, spike and can easily get dust or debris in the mechanism, but the X-52 Pro design prevents that.
The 8-way hat on the stick is easier to reach and takes a different motion to hold the view. Once you get used to pushing against the hat with the side if your thumb and not using the tip of your thumb, it is very comfortable. I lost that throbbing pain from the "CH Thumb" in just a few days. The F16 stick that the CH stick is modeled after is on the side of the cockpit at the pilots right knee and at an angle. It is not on a desk and vertical, which is why it feels unnatural and the 8-way hat has too much reach for most people.
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I agree with Rolex on the positioning of the switches on the X-52. I will disagree on the smoothness. I think the X-52 is twitchy and tends to loose calibration.
I find the CH stick is far easier to controll. I had a tendency to overcontrol the X-52 which caused a lot of stalling. I do not have this problem with the CH Stick.
Yes, I was scaling the stick.
But then again that is my opinion, as with Rolex I know all do not agree with me. :)
Fred
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I have a X52 that is approximately 18 months old starting to go by the way side. Looses calibration & throttle spikes & causes an myriad of other issues. Finally said the ******* :mad:with it and ordered the following CH petals, CH Throttle & CH 586 combat stick. Hard on plastic. :noid
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What seems to be the problem wizer? Are the axis not showing up in AH control mapper? I do use Control Manager to configure my stick (no mapping, just the setup for the 3 devices as 1 under windows, and what axis I have enabled).
I am using CH Control Manager and the mini-stick is not showing up.
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the hat switch drove me nuts at first but u will get use to it
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do what i did if you want it, buy it at best buy 100$ or less, pay the extra money for 2 year waranty
then retrun it for a new one when it messes up ive already gotten 2 sticks out of the deal. and will probably get at least one more.
while doing that you can save money for ch stuff like i am. i already bought my ch rudder pedals and by christmas i might get the stick or the throttle.
when i do get ch stuff ill just hand me down my old stuff to my brother.
the only thing that i really hate about my x52 is that when i used to use the twisty stick to go right rudder my thumb would always slip away from the hat and i would lose veiw ability. i used to zoom in with the veiw hat's forward position instead of using zoom but i changed cause my thumb kept slipping. ive gotten used to it now though so no bigge
i will say though that since i bought the x52 i have imporved over 100% from using the cheap 20$ walmart saitek stick.
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congrats bmwgs!
hope your very happy with yours.
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Thanks to all. I really got a lot more than I expected. :salute
Where did y'all get those blank diagrams? I would like to have a couple so when I map mine, I can remember where everything is.
Thanks again,
Fred
I took the liberty to copy the pictures and remove the assignments to create a blank template (hope nobody minds).
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/ViperDriver/AcesHighII/Blank_Fighterstick.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/ViperDriver/AcesHighII/Blank_Throttle.jpg)
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Hello everyone, I am new to AH (flew a long time ago in Warbids). I just picked up a CH Fightstick and Pro Throttle mainly for FSX but wanted to get back into combat flight sims. I came across this thread with a lot of great information. I have a couple questions.
Do you map the controls using CH's control manager or with AH?
I started mapping within AH and tried to use something similar to Murdr's but didn't see a stick mode toggle just mode select 1, 2, 3, and 4. Is that a control inside AH or on the control manager?
Finally, I am going to pick up a set of pedals in the near future. For those of you who don't have them and have a CH setup, what is the best rudder control?
Looking forward to seeing everyone up and giving you all a nice easy target for a while. :salute
cjdarts
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I started mapping within AH and tried to use something similar to Murdr's but didn't see a stick mode toggle just mode select 1, 2, 3, and 4. Is that a control inside AH or on the control manager?
That is correct, there is no "stick mode toggle", but you can still map a button to function that way. In my map the "pinky button" under mode 1 is mapped for "mode select 3". In mode 3 it is mapped for "mode select 1". With those mappings it acts like a toggle.
All my game function mapping is done in AH control mapper.
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those diagrams are great. someone should sticky this at the top of the forum
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I love my CH Gear....well not as much as I loved my old CH Gear. Either way it will out last almost everything on the market.
I've just recently found a use for that mini stick on the throttle. Unfortunately even though I set it there I keep forgetting to use it.
It's great for moving your head side to side to avoid the sun or increase you line of sight plus moving your head position back and forth to zoom in for a shot w/o having to be zoomed in.
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. To me the difference is night and day. I, and I mean I, feel after using the CH Stick for a couple of days, the CH Stick is far superior than the X-52.
Amen!
I use the 8 way on the throttle for the second set of views and the normal 8 way on stick for basic views. I have the combat stick so my secondary trigger is the wrap around thumb button.
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I love my CH setup, tons of buttons and perfect quality. My question though is for the tiny joy on the throttle, any way to have that be mouse look? I'd like to use it to "look around" the cockpit since I can't get my TrackIR to work and sometimes my hat views just aren't enough.
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I love my CH setup, tons of buttons and perfect quality. My question though is for the tiny joy on the throttle, any way to have that be mouse look? I'd like to use it to "look around" the cockpit since I can't get my TrackIR to work and sometimes my hat views just aren't enough.
Try assinging the axis as, View: Pan left/right up/down
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Yes you can use the mini stick on the throttle. I use the CH control manager and set the mini stick to mouse. Works great for panning around. If you use AH to set up the controllers I suggest you learn how to use the CH control manager,you will be amazed at the things you can do. There is even a Control Manager for dummies out there.
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The F16 stick that the CH stick is modeled after is on the side of the cockpit at the pilots right knee and at an angle. It is not on a desk and vertical, which is why it feels unnatural and the 8-way hat has too much reach for most people.
I am seriously considering buying/making one of those nifty wooden contraptions that essentially mocks a cockpit for this reason. Anyone know where to find one?
Tonight I started my third attempt at converting to CH gear. At least this time I managed to get the thing working properly (read the instructions... who knew?)
Coming from an X-45 with the rocker rudder (something I really, really liked), this is an entirely new ballgame. I'm right back to two week newbie status. I have to completely relearn the edge of the planes and how that translates to my joystick position. It's extremely frustrating.
If any of you guys are transitioning in equipment right now, I would be eternally grateful to go several hundred ammo loads with you in the TA until we both figure out what we're doing.
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Yes you can use the mini stick on the throttle. I use the CH control manager and set the mini stick to mouse. Works great for panning around. If you use AH to set up the controllers I suggest you learn how to use the CH control manager,you will be amazed at the things you can do. There is even a Control Manager for dummies out there.
I use the Control Manager. Where can I find the "Control Manager for Dummies" :salute
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I use the Control Manager. Where can I find the "Control Manager for Dummies" :salute
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Below is the link - cut & paste in browser.
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2017
I also used a lot of info off of the CH forum site. There are several profiles listed - just check the ones for Prop Sims. I'm still learning the 50 or so commands that I have programed into my HOTAS. CRS disease makes memory difficult at time :P :P. On the serious side if I can be of help contact me.
CH equip CTPTPP
:noid :aok :rock
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I use the Control Manager. Where can I find the "Control Manager for Dummies" :salute
Below is the link - cut & paste in browser.
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2017
I also used a lot of info off of the CH forum site. There are several profiles listed - just check the ones for Prop Sims. I'm still learning the 50 or so commands that I have programed into my HOTAS. CRS disease makes memory difficult at time :P :P. On the serious side if I can be of help contact me.
CH equip CTPTPP
:noid :aok :rock
thanks Dusty :salute