Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 2bighorn on July 08, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
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In AH, according to E6B J model weighs 372lbs more than L. Shouldn't be other way around?
I mean, our L has boosted ailerons (hydraulic plumbing, pumps etc), dive flaps (electrical motors, etc), reinforced pylon attachments (also stronger pylons), which rather adds weight.
So how comes? Or did I miss something?
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I think the J has a full bar and multiple blenders....I'm not sure though, I'm not allowed to fly those models.
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I'm not allowed to fly those models.
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Im sure they weigh EXACTLY the same with the same loads.
I triple checked and, like many others, I looked up weights, talked with the SAPPers and we couldn't find any DEFINITE proof of the J-15/20 (we have 1 of those models; they are too similar for our J to be only one of them for sure) was lighter than the L-5. Not to say it isn't, but we just couldn't find the evidence.
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Im sure they weigh EXACTLY the same with the same loads.
RGR, E6B must be buggy. Checked again few times and sometimes (offline) it shows different weight at same loads.
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They weigh the same in AH, although the J really should be lighter than the L, but that is a huge can of worms as my fellow SAPPers say.
The last time we mentioned anything about weight issues in the 38, they added 400lbs to the G.
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They weight the same in AH, although the J really should be lighter than the L, but that is a huge can of worms as my fellow SAPPers say.
The last time we mentioned anything about weight issues in the 38, they added 400lbs to the G.
So? The G is still the best fighter out of them all d:
Imo at least, L I don't care to fight in as much...
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Imo at least, L I don't care to fight in as much...
Why? It's better than the G.
ack-ack
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The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.
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The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.
Depends on who is flying which one :)
As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them. It is the lighter and more nimble 38. I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.
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Depends on who is flying which one :)
As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them. It is the lighter and more nimble 38. I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.
Yep, when I encounter a G, I take the fight into the upward vertical and try and not get into a nose low turn fight. The main advantage in the vertical with the J and L against the G is WEP. The J and L and kick in WEP to give that extra little bit in the positive vertical for the edge.
ack-ack
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The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.
Try flying the G more and fight like dan and akak said then get back too me (http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/sonar.gif) no respect for the G
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The G is the better dogfighter imho, aside from wep, it is almost as fast and can turn better with the same gun package.
If I could see out of the damn thing with the glare issues, I would fly it fulltime.
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I'm flying the P-38 for the first time this month. Always been in the L until today when I took the J out. Got 10 kills in 4 sorties and landed them all. I'm not that good... in fact I'm pretty bad at this game. That was pretty freaky... so I got back in the L for the rest of the night. :lol
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Depends on who is flying which one :)
As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them. It is the lighter and more nimble 38. I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.
Guess it comes down to fighting styles.
1. I fly by the "RULE OF 45." If a you cannot get a shot at a bandit through 45 degrees of turn it's time to break off and manuver for another shot.
2. You deserve to get your bellybutton shot down if you get a 38 in a low, slow, turning dogfight inthe first place. ;)
:salute
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2. You deserve to get your bellybutton shot down if you get a 38 in a low, slow, turning dogfight inthe first place. ;)
You'd be surprised what the 38 can do on the deck, low and slow. Besides, staying high, fast and using slashing attacks doesn't really help your stick skills in the long run.
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1. I fly by the "RULE OF 45." If a you cannot get a shot at a bandit through 45 degrees of turn it's time to break off and manuver for another shot.
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Good tactics. By the time you'll complete your 8 x 45 degree turns, your 'victim' will probably die by old age
2. You deserve to get your bellybutton shot down if you get a 38 in a low, slow, turning dogfight inthe first place. ;)
So you're gonna kill that pesky 262 with your superior speed?
Sticking to one tactics only, you're missing 90% of the goodies. Have a session with one of the top b-38 pilots (delirium, twinboom, murdr, ack-ack and few others) and you'll see, that bomber is capable fighter in right hands, even when slow and low.
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:rofl
Good tactics. By the time you'll complete your 8 x 45 degree turns, your 'victim' will probably die by old age
Maybe so, but neither will I get my butt shot down following a 109 around in a circle till I am low and slow and have one of his buddies come in and blast me with his "Tater Gun." Sorry, they teach you that right after they teach you to pull your wheels up when you fly.
So you're gonna kill that pesky 262 with your superior speed?
In BOA so far I have downed 2X 262's and damaged 2x more with engines blown out plus 3x 234's downed. Not too shabby with my "Inferior" speed.
Sticking to one tactics only, you're missing 90% of the goodies. Have a session with one of the top b-38 pilots (delirium, twinboom, murdr, ack-ack and few others) and you'll see, that bomber is capable fighter in right hands, even when slow and low.
I don't recall saying I stuck to one tactic in a dogfight. I just try to keep as much "E" behind me as I can in everything I do, usually it doesn't let me down and I can usually engage at will. I am FAR from being a Hot Stick in the 38 but at my skill level I do ok. I think if you look at the history books also most actual 38 drivers didn't get in to turning dogfights with enemy aircraft even though some of the Master 38 pilots like Bong and Mcquire had the skills to.
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Guess it comes down to fighting styles.
1. I fly by the "RULE OF 45." If a you cannot get a shot at a bandit through 45 degrees of turn it's time to break off and manuver for another shot.
2. You deserve to get your bellybutton shot down if you get a 38 in a low, slow, turning dogfight inthe first place. ;)
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LOL as long as they keep coming down and playing with my 38, I'll keep dying :)
Do understand thats my MA mentality. Scenarios etc is a different world. But I'd rather bend the stick in the MA and have at it. And I'm too old to climb too high to come down on em. I like seeing how long I can make them miss their shots. And the satisfaction from reversing someone whose been the agressor and getting the kill is much more satisfying to me then fighting from the advantage. But I'm strange that way :)
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Maybe so, but neither will I get my butt shot down following a 109 around in a circle till I am low and slow and have one of his buddies come in and blast me with his "Tater Gun." Sorry, they teach you that right after they teach you to pull your wheels up when you fly.
If turn fighting means lufbery to you, you have a long way to go. Anyways it's your $15. I prefer Guppy's way. More fun for all. Unfortunately, guys like him are minority...