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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Baitman on July 12, 2008, 12:49:33 AM
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Not sure how to put this but I found the name KKKUNITE offensive :furious He first apeared he asked if there was any white brothers on. Thought that I would throw it out to the people on the forum to see what every one else thinks. :mad: His friend BADMOFO didn't understand why we reported him. :mad: Maybe it is just me but I really have a problem with that name I don't care if it means Kill Kill Kill like his friend said. Any thoughts. :furious
These two fellows have a score of 0.
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Dunno about BADMOFO,
but KKKUNITE deserves a an insta-ban.
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Sounds like a bunch of shade tards that think their funny. Id call HTC up on Monday if there not already banded by then and complain. Names like that are totally un acceptable.
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Get rid of these bums.
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Badmofo I ain't got a problem with, but the other just ain't cool. HTC needs to know about that one soon. :salute
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Thanks for the posts guys I really have no problem with the BADMOFO name but I do and my squaddies I was flying with tonight have an issue with the KKKUNITE name. :furious It was quite apparant that they were a couple of young kids thinking that it was funny. But when asked nicely to log and change their name they didn't. We as a squad landed and left the arena.
I respect every player on this game or BBS no matter their age, race, religon, s*xual preference :aok but I get very upset about this Name :furious , even thought we may have different views on other matters on the BBS (that is what puts spice in life) I hope we all stand behind this one. :salute
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But when asked nicely to log and change their name they didn't. We as a squad landed and left the arena.
Well, in fairness to the idiot, logging and changing your name isn't exactly something easy to do on a Friday night. You have to contact HTC directly for that.
That should make for an interesting phone call come Monday. How the heck he's going to explain that one to HTC is beyond me.
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Evidently you can change game ids while on the two week trial. These two did it at least 4 times within a couple hours.
Les
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maybe they should try dumb & dumber :rock
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The KKK in his name could be an acronym for Ku Klux Klan, it might not be. For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is.
Shouldn't we be politically correct and respect his or her ideological differences? Shouldn't we be tolerant, even if we don't think they are? They shouldn't be banned because someone takes their own interpretation of the name and decides to be appalled by it. After all, ANY name that might represent a philosophy, belief system, or culture can be construed as offensive to someone, somewhere. A whole lot of people would need to be banned. That is, if fairness were of any concern.
Acceptance and political correctness may not work for you. The only other way to be fair would be to ban EVERY person whose name can be perceived to be associated in any way with any group. (Remember: somewhere in the world, someone will be offended by any group). I've seen a MormonAce, a Bpanther, and a Commie3 before. Each of these names, or the groups they may represent, might be deeply offensive to some people. If KKKUNITE is a name that will get you banned, so should the three listed. I should probably be banned as well. My name, WalrusG, represents bear food. All those folks who say, "Don't feed the bears," are most likely stricken with horror upon seeing my name.
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The KKK in his name could be an acronym for Ku Klux Klan, it might not be. For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is.
Shouldn't we be politically correct and respect his or her ideological differences? Shouldn't we be tolerant, even if we don't think they are? They shouldn't be banned because someone takes their own interpretation of the name and decides to be appalled by it. After all, ANY name that might represent a philosophy, belief system, or culture can be construed as offensive to someone, somewhere. A whole lot of people would need to be banned. That is, if fairness were of any concern.
Acceptance and political correctness may not work for you. The only other way to be fair would be to ban EVERY person whose name can be perceived to be associated in any way with any group. (Remember: somewhere in the world, someone will be offended by any group). I've seen a MormonAce, a Bpanther, and a Commie3 before. Each of these names, or the groups they may represent, might be deeply offensive to some people. If KKKUNITE is a name that will get you banned, so should the three listed. I should probably be banned as well. My name, WalrusG, represents bear food. All those folks who say, "Don't feed the bears," are most likely stricken with horror upon seeing my name.
On the streets of the United States, if HiTech truly believes in and values his freedom, he has the duty to defend the rights of those he personally finds reprehensible.
In the hallways of HiTech's house, if he deems someone over the line, he can kick that person right on out.
Care to guess which one Aces High is? :)
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Shouldn't we be politically correct and respect his or her ideological differences?
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On the streets of the United States, if HiTech truly believes in and values his freedom, he has the duty to defend the rights of those he personally finds reprehensible.
In the hallways of HiTech's house, if he deems someone over the line, he can kick that person right on out.
Care to guess which one Aces High is? :)
AH is definitely HiTech's pad. He can do what he wants, that's for sure.
I'm quite sure, though, that the OP was asking for the opinions of players and not only, "What will HT think?" HiTech can do what he will. That doesn't change the fact that some players may find it unfair or illogical. Not that HT is an unjust or irrational deity. I bow in deference. :pray
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Yes?
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Agree 100% with Uptown.
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This should've been handled via e-mail, PM, or phone call to HTC.
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:lol there's got to be one in every crowd. Look walrus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. IT'S OFFENSIVE! If you can't figure that out, well then you're stupid. Your government has deemed it "politically correct" to recognize the KKK as a terrorist group.So what that basically means is, your post, and any other from you on this subject, is a load of horse crap. :mad:
Of course, your right and I also agree with you. However, stop and consider your BBs avatar, might someone or group find it offensive as well?
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Not sure how to put this but I found the name KKKUNITE offensive :furious He first apeared he asked if there was any white brothers on. Thought that I would throw it out to the people on the forum to see what every one else thinks. :mad: His friend BADMOFO didn't understand why we reported him. :mad: Maybe it is just me but I really have a problem with that name I don't care if it means Kill Kill Kill like his friend said. Any thoughts. :furious
These two fellows have a score of 0.
would you be posting this had he been any other name, and asking if there were any other black brothers on/?
ferget the racial watermelon dude!!! friggin ignore him or .squelch him if it offended you.
we don't need another dam racial thread in here
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Not sure how to put this but I found the name KKKUNITE offensive :furious He first apeared he asked if there was any white brothers on. Thought that I would throw it out to the people on the forum to see what every one else thinks. :mad: His friend BADMOFO didn't understand why we reported him. :mad: Maybe it is just me but I really have a problem with that name I don't care if it means Kill Kill Kill like his friend said. Any thoughts. :furious
These two fellows have a score of 0.
BTW..i can see where the KKK part could be bad...but here is the wrong place
phone call to htc is the right place
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Well, in fairness to the idiot, logging and changing your name isn't exactly something easy to do on a Friday night. You have to contact HTC directly for that.
That should make for an interesting phone call come Monday. How the heck he's going to explain that one to HTC is beyond me.
kkk=killkillkill? kooky kooky kooky?
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i don't agree with the name either.......but since you believe in 0 tolerence, then i take offense to your icon, and think it should be removed.
get the point iwalrus was trying to make?
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:lol there's got to be one in every crowd. Look walrus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. IT'S OFFENSIVE! If you can't figure that out, well then you're stupid. Your government has deemed it "politically correct" to recognize the KKK as a terrorist group.So what that basically means is, your post, and any other from you on this subject, is a load of horse crap. :mad:
UPTOWN it sounds by your post that you not from the US. I get this from you saying "your goverment" in the above post. I understand what you are saying, but you are on a two edge sword. That flag you are flying under your name is extremely controversial at the present time in the US.
Not meant to start anything, just some friendly FYI.
FRED
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Of course, your right and I also agree with you. However, stop and consider your BBs avatar, might someone or group find it offensive as well?
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I hope not, but yes some might. I was born and raised in the south (Virginia), and that flag is part of who I am and where I come from. And I'm proud of all the people that died for that flag. In my eyes it does not represent racism. For me it stands for all that I love about the south. :salute
now see......for quite a few, that flag DOES represent racisim(not me), and because it does represent racisim, and you are apparently a 0 tolerence kind of guy ya need to remove it before it gets reported to ht. :D
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I can not sir. I will fight for my right to keep my flag. I shall put this to a vote. :salute
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you're missing my point dude.........
try it a simpler way......
people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks
does that work?
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Hey guys, let's not start a weekend long, 30 page pissing contest. Nothing will come of it.
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I understand that I kind of went overboard in my reply to Walrus. That wasn't my intentions. I like to say what's on my mind and it usually gets me into trouble. :frown:
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I understand that I kind of went overboard in my reply to Walrus. That wasn't my intentions. I like to say what's on my mind and it usually gets me into trouble. :frown:
yea, i know....and i do the same thing. i was only trying to get ya to see what i think was walrus's point, that's all....... :aok
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job well done sure. I concede defeat :salute
and ty Max , i'm afraid i was getting a little bent out of shape there :lol :salute
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Hey guys, let's not start a weekend long, 30 page pissing contest. Nothing will come of it.
but we can take it to 29, right? :D
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:lol there's got to be one in every crowd. Look walrus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. IT'S OFFENSIVE! If you can't figure that out, well then you're stupid. Your government has deemed it "politically correct" to recognize the KKK as a terrorist group.So what that basically means is, your post, and any other from you on this subject, is a load of horse crap. :mad:
The government has done a lot of things that people do not agree with. Are you saying that anyone that disagrees with the government is full of "horse crap"? Do you recognize all government actions and policies to be the be all and end off of What Should Be? They usually call those people sheep. For that matter, the government is not always politically correct.
You typing "IT'S OFFENSIVE" in all caps does not make it objectively offensive. Whether it is offensive or not is still based on point of view. Here: IT'S SUBJECTIVE. Anyone can find anything offensive. If you think that you are the universal authority on what is proper, well, "what that basically means is, your post, and any other from you on this subject, is a load of horse crap. :mad:"
I don't care about political correctness for the purposes of this thread. Right now, I'm only concerned with fairness. I think all names should be allowed, or, as alternative, all offensive names should be disallowed. I am offended by the name uptown. I think it promotes hatred toward all those associated with downtown. If KKKUNITE is banned due to offensiveness, uptown should be banned as well. (That's without even taking the avatar into consideration.) As I have said, if KKKUNITE is banned, the offensive WalrusG should also be banned.
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but we can take it to 29, right? :D
I do believe that's what's implied :lol
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I don't care about political correctness for the purposes of this thread. Right now, I'm only concerned with fairness. I think all names should be allowed, or, as alternative, all offensive names should be disallowed.
It's a good thing you aren't HiTech himself. Pontificate all that you want, I enjoy watching Devil's Advocates become singed by the rotisserie.
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I enjoy watching Devil's Advocates become singed by the rotisserie.
Barbecue anyone?? :devil
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Twist it anyway you want ... I could bet the ranch that if the handle is still in existence on Monday or if any HTC Staff sees that handle ... things won't go right for that individual ... and rightfully so.
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If you think those name are offensive. About 3 am EST. Two guys logged in and started ranting on 200 name "N1ggar" and "Coonkiller" Would bet the farm its the same two. Let walrus try to say that this is OK!!!!
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Barbecue anyone?? :devil
Damnnnnnn...nothing to put in the PIT this weekend. :cry
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Sorry Downtown. I got your back bro! :lol
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o boy, this is going from bad to worse. I'd delete that solus.
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If you think those name are offensive. About 3 am EST. Two guys logged in and started ranting on 200 name "N1ggar" and "Coonkiller" Would bet the farm its the same two. Let walrus try to say that this is OK!!!!
Did you .report them ? ... if you did ... follow it up with an email giving them the date and approx time ... If it is true, I wouldn't doubt for a second that heads will roll.
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Did you .report them ? ... if you did ... follow it up with an email giving them the date and approx time ... If it is true, I wouldn't doubt for a second that heads will roll.
I've seen worse, but yes, heads will roll.
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and it can't happen soon enough
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"Look walrus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. IT'S OFFENSIVE! If you can't figure that out, well then you're stupid. Your government has deemed it "politically correct" to recognize the KKK as a terrorist group"
very dangerous ground uptown......when you feel you have to view something as bad........because your government has it on a list and told you to do so. I hope there is a better rationale than that at play...
I'm not a fan political correctness at all........and I think the act of political correctness is far more dangerous than the words on any political correctness list. I can't think of anything more UN-american than this wave of political correctness.....if you take it to it's logical conclussion....you have stalin.
I tire quickly of people these days being "offended"......and I'm equally sickened by the minions who sit in the dark corners watching in delight...or worse.......silence.......as people lose entire careers these days for a foolish slip of the tongue that lasted 4 seconds.
As someone once said... political correctness...for the most part....is the intentional witholding of the truth...in order to spare feelings....
Have we really gotten THAT soft? America.....get over it......butch up and grow some stones !!
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very dangerous ground uptown......when you feel you have to view something as bad........because your government has it on a list and told you to do so. I hope there is a better rationale than that at play...
I'm not a fan political correctness at all........and I think the act of political correctness is far more dangerous than the words on any political correctness list. I can't think of anything more UN-american than this wave of political correctness.....if you take it to it's logical conclussion....you have stalin.
I tire quickly of people these days being "offended"......and I'm equally sickened by the minions who sit in the dark corners watching in delight...or worse.......silence.......as people lose entire careers these days for a foolish slip of the tongue that lasted 4 seconds.
As someone once said... political correctness...for the most part....is the intentional witholding of the truth...in order to spare feelings....
Have we really gotten THAT soft? America.....get over it......butch up and grow some stones !!
....and after yet another pontification. HTC doesn't give a rat's about what YOU think. Thank God for it too.
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....and after yet another pontification. HTC doesn't give a rat's about what YOU think. Thank God for it too.
HTC? I think it went over your head scooter.
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HTC? I think it went over your head scooter.
Do you need me to spell my last post out for you? I can if you are that inept with the English Language. I would figure that it is the least I could do for someone. I'm waiting for you to claim "to be the best American and that you play AH surrounded by United States flags. This after winning the lottery twice and that you punched jesus."
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Do you need me to spell my last post out for you? I can if you are that inept with the English Language. I would figure that it is the least I could do for someone who claims "to be the strongest American that plays AH surrounded by United States flags and probably has won the lottery twice and punched jesus."
not to get off topic here....but I'd like to suggest you stay away from the coffee....and please get laid....
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hmmm, very interesting......You all are aware that AH is a censored and private community, right? Basically what you saying is all names should be allowed regardless of what they make reference too or who they offend. So if I have one that says F***Y** that should be allowed? I strongly disagree!! This game is highly censored so as not to offend anyone, and to allow underage players. AH is suppose to be a clean enviroment. We dont even have swasticas on the planes! If teh KKK name is allowed that means its ok to be racistist to blacks in AH but not to jews?!
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.
It doesn't matter what the "Political Correctness" of the the issue is because its is nullified by the fact that the ID made is offensive to alot of people. and one of the rules you have to follow while enjoying AH is your not allowed to be offensive/disrespectful.
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hmmm, very interesting......You all are aware that AH is a censored and private community, right? Basically what you saying is all names should be allowed regardless of what they make reference too or who they offend. So if I have one that says F***Y** that should be allowed? I strongly disagree!! This game is highly censored so as not to offend anyone, and to allow underage players. AH is suppose to be a clean enviroment. We dont even have swasticas on the planes! If teh KKK name is allowed that means its ok to be racistist to blacks in AH but not to jews?!
It doesn't matter what the "Political Correctness" of the the issue is because its is nullified by the fact that the ID made is offensive to alot of people. and one of the rules you have to follow while enjoying AH is your not allowed to be offensive/disrespectful.
not sure if you're talking to me or not........but I do know this went right over mashywhateverthehellhisnameis head..... my comments were solely directed at the quote I posted by uptown....as it pertains to the GOVERNMENT... has nothing to do with this game or board.....or HTC.... who can do whatever they want on this privately owned board....as it should be....there are kids here.
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hmmm, very interesting......You all are aware that AH is a censored and private community, right? Basically what you saying is all names should be allowed regardless of what they make reference too or who they offend. So if I have one that says F***Y** that should be allowed? I strongly disagree!! This game is highly censored so as not to offend anyone, and to allow underage players. AH is suppose to be a clean enviroment. We dont even have swasticas on the planes! If teh KKK name is allowed that means its ok to be racistist to blacks in AH but not to jews?!
It doesn't matter what the "Political Correctness" of the the issue is because its is nullified by the fact that the ID made is offensive to alot of people. and one of the rules you have to follow while enjoying AH is your not allowed to be offensive/disrespectful.
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT, you have just informed Zeta that his "Testosterone laced post was for naught".
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NOW YOU'VE DONE IT, you have just informed Zeta that his "Testosterone laced post was for naught".
there it is....... I told you it went over his head.
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Did you .report them ? ... if you did ... follow it up with an email giving them the date and approx time ... If it is true, I wouldn't doubt for a second that heads will roll.
when you do this, shouldn't it also be filmed?
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HTC? I think it went over your head scooter.
scooter??? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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I get the feeling that Uptown has confused "political correctness" with "political expedience". There is no way that the government tagging the KKK as a terrorist organization could be termed "politically correct". However, it could be "politically expedient" to do so, as it would place them in a whole new category for law enforcement.
Now, If I have misunderstood his post....someone please set me straight :)
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scooter??? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
mashy reminds me of a very emotional kid.... the "I'm takiing my football and going home" pouty mouth..stomping feet....red face..kid thing... I thought it fit.
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I get the feeling that Uptown has confused "political correctness" with "political expedience". There is no way that the government tagging the KKK as a terrorist organization could be termed "politically correct". However, it could be "politically expedient" to do so, as it would place them in a whole new category for law enforcement.
Now, If I have misunderstood his post....someone please set me straight :)
I think he said the govt tagged them as a terror org...which I cannot confirm.
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not sure if you're talking to me or not........but I do know this went right over mashywhateverthehellhisnameis head..... my comments were solely directed at the quote I posted by uptown....as it pertains to the GOVERNMENT... has nothing to do with this game or board.....or HTC.... who can do whatever they want on this privately owned board....as it should be....there are kids here.
1. Continue the juvenile name calling.
2. This is a PRIVATE BBS. The US Constitution get's checked at the login, it isn't used here or in game (Thank God). You are contradicting yourself in this thread. I'd stop while you think that you are ahead.
I believe the only one posting here that "has sonic booms overhead", is your own cranium. You never said "Uptown.....", you posted comments and when cornered, claim "they were directed towards uptown".
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hmmm, very interesting......You all are aware that AH is a censored and private community, right? Basically what you saying is all names should be allowed regardless of what they make reference too or who they offend. So if I have one that says F***Y** that should be allowed? I strongly disagree!! This game is highly censored so as not to offend anyone, and to allow underage players. AH is suppose to be a clean enviroment. We dont even have swasticas on the planes! If teh KKK name is allowed that means its ok to be racistist to blacks in AH but not to jews?!
It doesn't matter what the "Political Correctness" of the the issue is because its is nullified by the fact that the ID made is offensive to alot of people. and one of the rules you have to follow while enjoying AH is your not allowed to be offensive/disrespectful.
based on the sqwastika comment.....then we should remove the stars and bars from american planes as it might offend older germans, and we should also remove the meatballs from the japanese planes as they'll probably offend americans.
someone said it earlier........everything can be viewed as offensive to someone somewhere in the world.
i still say this was the wrong place to deal with this. it should've been reported, and emailed to htc, and it would've ended peacfully there.
we all know it was just a pair oa amazinhunks that chose those names, and they're quite probably sitting reading this thread laughing their tulips off.
they accomplished what they wanted to do because it was brought here.
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Let me explain something to you. My father and grandmother are and were part of that little group. When I was a kid I got a arse beating until I peed my pants for calling a black man sir. This is just one of many reasons I take offence. It had nothing to do with what the government says or does. I could careless quite frankly. I get angry when guys like these two pop in and start their crap. I feel ashamed and discusted that in this day and age we even have to go through this. I feel I have to take a stand against it and not condone it as you and walrus would have us do. I've lived through this kind of thing most of my life. Have you? Now I have to change my avatar because they have brought shame unto the flag I hold so dear.
P.S. all liberals report to the TA. You have whales to save and trees to hug.
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mashy reminds me of a very emotional kid.... the "I'm takiing my football and going home" pouty kid thing... I thought it fit.
Kid? You cannot even spell "taking" correctly when spewing the drivel. Grow up.
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1. Continue the juvenile name calling.
2. This is a PRIVATE BBS. The US Constitution get's checked at the login, it isn't used here or in game (Thank God). You are contradicting yourself in this thread. I'd stop while you think that you are ahead.
I believe the only one posting here that "has sonic booms overhead", is your own cranium. You never said "Uptown.....", you posted comments and when cornered, claim "they were directed towards uptown".
you're spinning your wheels now grabbing straws...this is sad.
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Let me explain something to you. My father and grandmother are and were part of that little group. When I was a kid I got a arse beating until I peed my pants for calling a black man sir. This is just one of many reasons I take offence. It had nothing to do with what the government says or does. I could careless quite frankly. I get angry when guys like these two pop in and start their crap. I feel ashamed and discusted that in this day and age we even have to go through this. I feel I have to take a stand against it and not condone it as you and walrus would have us do. I've lived through this kind of thing most of my life. Have you? Now I have to change my avatar because they have brought unto the flag I hold so dear.
P.S. all liberals report to the TA. You have whales to save and trees to hug.
Zeta and his sidekick CAP1 only posted to hijack the thread.
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Zeta and his sidekick CAP1 only posted to hijack the thread.
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yes, a kid. I have no idea what your physical age is....but you're very immatuer .. I'd say you have the maturity level and analytical capacity of a 13-17 year old boy. you jump the gun too much for your own good, and when you realize it, you back peddle even worse. by the way...the old message board "do something..and then blame the other guy for what I just did" thing....is soooooo 1996.
cmon kid........learn to take a punch....
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based on the sqwastika comment.....then we should remove the stars and bars from american planes as it might offend older germans, and we should also remove the meatballs from the japanese planes as they'll probably offend americans.
someone said it earlier........everything can be viewed as offensive to someone somewhere in the world.
i still say this was the wrong place to deal with this. it should've been reported, and emailed to htc, and it would've ended peacfully there.
Actually, IIRC, the Swastikas are removed ingame due to their presence making the game inaccessible to players in certain areas, where such symbols aren't allowed. It has nothing to do with being PC or removing offensive icons, but rather gaining more customers. AFAIK, the American flag, and the symbols used on aircraft and machines aren't illegal in these areas, hence their presence.
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You never said "Uptown.....", you posted comments and when cornered, claim "they were directed towards uptown".
"Look walrus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. IT'S OFFENSIVE! If you can't figure that out, well then you're stupid. Your government has deemed it "politically correct" to recognize the KKK as a terrorist group"
very dangerous ground uptown......when you feel you have to view something as bad........because your government has it on a list and told you to do so. I hope there is a better rationale than that at play...
considering this was the basis of your entire diatribe ...... I think you're done here....
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yes, a kid. I have no idea what your physical age is....but you're very immatuer .. I'd say you have the maturity level and analytical capacity of a 13-17 year old boy. you jump the gun too much for your own good, and when you realize it, you back peddle even worse. by the way...the old message board "do something..and then blame the other guy for what I just did" thing....is soooooo 1996.
"well mr zeta...you named uptown specifically...and quoted words he said...but I had no idea you were talking about him.."
cmon kid........learn to take a punch....
Learn to spell. You'll see yourself being taken a little more seriously. Amazing on how "the shoe gets placed on the other foot"? Thank you for playing the role of "Saturday's Hypocrite".
You are twisting what I have said and showing the Community your lack of insight. This is proven by the above quote. Please, continue to embarrass yourself.
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You are twisting what I have said showing the Community your lack of insight. This is proven by the above quote. Please, continue to embarrass yourself.
surrender noted.....
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Zeta and his sidekick CAP1 only posted to hijack the thread.
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dude..i'm no one's sidekick......i made my comment about that ""scooter"" name because i found it amusing.....although it is kind of easy to see that you're fairly well pissed off right now :D
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Actually, IIRC, the Swastikas are removed ingame due to their presence making the game inaccessible to players in certain areas, where such symbols aren't allowed. It has nothing to do with being PC or removing offensive icons, but rather gaining more customers. AFAIK, the American flag, and the symbols used on aircraft and machines aren't illegal in these areas, hence their presence.
i think you're right. i remember talking to some friends that've flown their r/c aircraft in different parts of europe, and were told that it had to be removed from their planes. it's actually illegal to dissplay it.
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dude..i'm no one's sidekick......i made my comment about that ""scooter"" name because i found it amusing.....although it is kind of easy to see that you're fairly well pissed off right now :D
Keep thinking that. I'm far from it, "dude".
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It would be illegal for anyone in Germany to play this game if swastikas were painted on the aircraft or GVs.
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It would be illegal for anyone in Germany to play this game if swastikas were painted on the aircraft or GVs.
I understand that........but it's sad in a way too. This is a historical game...
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It would be illegal for anyone in Germany to play this game if swastikas were painted on the aircraft or GVs.
i thought it was most of europe?
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Keep thinking that. I'm far from it, "dude".
don't like dude either, huh?
how about slick? :rofl or sparky? :D
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i thought it was most of europe?
I only know about Germany since I spent some time there as a kid. But you maybe right.
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i thought it was most of europe?
No ... it's a law in Germany ... all though, I am sure that other European countries that felt the wrath of the Nazis wouldn't care to see them displayed either ... but I believe that it is Germany that is the impetus for HTC to not show the Nazi symbol ... else the game would be banned in Germany.
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If complained about the staff will probably take steps to have the names changed. The reason for this should be a business one and not because of political correctness or anything else. It's a fine line when to take steps since no matter what you do you will be alienating too many people. If you remove it you tick off a group of freedom of speech. If you don't you tick off those that want censorship. In this day and age if the name was something like Blacksunite, banning the name would cause an uproar. We see it all too often. I think the best thing to do is to ignore them and they just might disappear after the 2 week trial. What's more important is how they act in the game. If they start harassing other players or become offensive then that's what you address.
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If complained about the staff will probably take steps to have the names changed. The reason for this should be a business one and not because of political correctness or anything else. It's a fine line when to take steps since no matter what you do you will be alienating too many people. If you remove it you tick off a group of freedom of speech. If you don't you tick off those that want censorship. In this day and age if the name was something like Blacksunite, banning the name would cause an uproar. We see it all too often. I think the best thing to do is to ignore them and they just might disappear after the 2 week trial. What's more important is how they act in the game. If they start harassing other players or become offensive then that's what you address.
well said.
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If complained about the staff will probably take steps to have the names changed. The reason for this should be a business one and not because of political correctness or anything else. It's a fine line when to take steps since no matter what you do you will be alienating too many people. If you remove it you tick off a group of freedom of speech. If you don't you tick off those that want censorship. In this day and age if the name was something like Blacksunite, banning the name would cause an uproar. We see it all too often. I think the best thing to do is to ignore them and they just might disappear after the 2 week trial. What's more important is how they act in the game. If they start harassing other players or become offensive then that's what you address.
WELL STATED......
but it STILL should never have been brought to the boards. this is for HTC.......
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Sometimes these threads can be stopped simply by having several people bump or reply to the most recent page or 2 of threads. This pushes the topic back a couple of pages which might make it out of sight, out of mind :aok
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badmofo seems wierd to me cause back about 2 years ago 1BADMOFO shut down the dueling arena( any 1 remember that) because he was a vulching tard salamander and every 1 complained! so i hope this isnt the same guy.
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This thread is based on certain peoples being offended by a name. WHY? His 15 Bucks his choice of name. You pay it then maybe you can pick his/her name. If your offended by it obviously you have some sort of issue with it. See no reason to get all hyper about someones name. Pisses you off that bad just switch countries an hunt him down an kill him in your cartoon plane. As for certain peoples IMHO they should not even be posting on subjects on here due to their own past with the game. Now I am offended hehe.
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Kick em!
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His 15 Bucks his choice of name.
WRONG ... he may choose his name, but it's HTC that has the final word, and in this instance ... that name will not survive.
HTC is running a business here and has a reputation to uphold, and allowing any "hate" faction or reference to any "hate' faction to persist and thrive in their game, would not be a wise business decision.
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WRONG ... he may choose his name, but it's HTC that has the final word, and in this instance ... that name will not survive.
HTC is running a business here and has a reputation to uphold, and allowing any "hate" faction or reference to any "hate' faction to persist and thrive in their game, would not be a wise business decision.
SLAP//////
they don't get it. if he read every page and still doesn't get it, he won't now.........
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Huh, thought first when I saw topic, that I had said/done something bad yesterday....
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I was in last night while these 2 kids were changing names every 15-30 min and talking crap to each other. The DEA as well as probably every ROOK were .reporting them as soon as they showed back up with new names. They were removed within 5-10 min each time, but they were very offensive, in both the names they chose and what they were saying. I'm sure that HTC will be getting MANY films of the events and I just wanted to give a :salute to the mods and HTC for removing them as quickly as they did.
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I think some guy wanted to call one squad the SS.
I thought that was quite unacceptable also.
I also think that it was quite OK for the poster to post this issue, as he found something offending and we had an open and frank discussion about it. If its for HTC, I'm sure he let them know also.
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The KKK in his name could be an acronym for Ku Klux Klan, it might not be. For the sake of argument, let's assume that it is.
Shouldn't we be politically correct and respect his or her ideological differences? Shouldn't we be tolerant, even if we don't think they are? They shouldn't be banned because someone takes their own interpretation of the name and decides to be appalled by it. After all, ANY name that might represent a philosophy, belief system, or culture can be construed as offensive to someone, somewhere. A whole lot of people would need to be banned. That is, if fairness were of any concern.
Acceptance and political correctness may not work for you. The only other way to be fair would be to ban EVERY person whose name can be perceived to be associated in any way with any group. (Remember: somewhere in the world, someone will be offended by any group). I've seen a MormonAce, a Bpanther, and a Commie3 before. Each of these names, or the groups they may represent, might be deeply offensive to some people. If KKKUNITE is a name that will get you banned, so should the three listed. I should probably be banned as well. My name, WalrusG, represents bear food. All those folks who say, "Don't feed the bears," are most likely stricken with horror upon seeing my name.
BS. There is a big difference between a domestic terrorist group like the KKK and a religious group or a political party. Bpanther is over the line as well.
Imagine someone came in with the gameid AlQueada.
Over the line.
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(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2748/tardqd0.jpg)
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when you do this, shouldn't it also be filmed?
Just a screenshot that shows the names I'm sure would suffice along with the .report.
ack-ack
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No ... it's a law in Germany ... all though, I am sure that other European countries that felt the wrath of the Nazis wouldn't care to see them displayed either ... but I believe that it is Germany that is the impetus for HTC to not show the Nazi symbol ... else the game would be banned in Germany.
Can't show red blood in video games either over there.
ack-ack
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Can't show red blood in video games either over there.
ack-ack
really? i never would've thought of that........
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Can't show red blood in video games either over there.
ack-ack
but wait........when we take a pilot wound, there's red blood on the windscreen....in my case ususally that on the inside with all of my motor oil on the outside/.....
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but wait........when we take a pilot wound, there's red blood on the windscreen....
It's ketchup!
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It's ketchup!
oooooooo.....so THAT'S why it doesn't hurt!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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but wait........when we take a pilot wound, there's red blood on the windscreen....in my case ususally that on the inside with all of my motor oil on the outside/.....
Don't know but each game we've localized for Germany we've had to remove all blood and gore or our games couldn't be sold. We usually change the color of the blood from red to green, which we can get away with because our games are fantasy based RPGs for the most part.
The game Carmaggedon is another example. The German version had the blood and gore removed, the red was changed to green and the people because aliens to explain why there bodies would splatter green blood all over your windshield.
That's really nothing though, some countries have gone even further, like Greece and Brazil and have outlawed various game genres, though I do think Greece repealed the most of their Draconian measures.
ack-ack
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good to see folks speaking there minds. not always the best reading but :salute to those who do and a bigger :salute to the ability to do so I dont think the tards will last very long from 1 acehole to another :salute
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Not to mention "noodlesCKR" and "CUMBUBBL"
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There are many names out there that I thought to be offensive or out of the rules for HTC.
If you can't say Sh or as you should not be allowed to have a name like buttplug.
Anyway the last one I seen and reported was JUKILLER. Could he have meant JU-88 killer ect. ect NO!!!!!!! he meant meant to offend just like KKKUNITE means exactly what it says.
You other reckless fools out there that try to defend this behavior are the same dopes who help keep the American Flag out of schools, off city/goverment vehicles and God's name out of Society. We really don't need you in the game or country IMO
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You other reckless fools out there that try to defend this behavior are the same dopes who help keep the American Flag out of schools, off city/goverment vehicles and God's name out of Society. We really don't need you in the game or country IMO
:salute Well said! :aok
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You other reckless fools out there that try to defend this behavior are the same dopes who help keep the American Flag out of schools, off city/goverment vehicles and God's name out of Society. We really don't need you in the game or country IMO
I've already made it clear I think HiTech can, should, and will get rid of these names in his private house (Aces High)... So the following points are just for my personal views in real life on the streets, but...
I'm not sure just how much direct experience you have with freedom of speech issues. I have quite a bit. In my experience it is not the people protecting the 1st Amendment that are trying to get the flag out of schools, or God's name out of society. It's the people who go bonkers every time something offends them.
It's a thankless task standing up for people you, I, and everyone else has good reason to hate, but, you're very welcome.
That being said, if anyone wants to argue with me on this, let's do it in PM's. I'm bowing out of this conversation as it's akin to having a political argument at a dinner party. This is HiTech's house, and I'm not complaining.
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Thanks for the posts guys I really have no problem with the BADMOFO name but I do and my squaddies I was flying with tonight have an issue with the KKKUNITE name. :furious It was quite apparant that they were a couple of young kids thinking that it was funny. But when asked nicely to log and change their name they didn't. We as a squad landed and left the arena.
I respect every player on this game or BBS no matter their age, race, religon, s*xual preference :aok but I get very upset about this Name :furious , even thought we may have different views on other matters on the BBS (that is what puts spice in life) I hope we all stand behind this one. :salute
Good Post Baitman... :salute
IMHO HTC should PNG those IP addresses (at least KKKUnite). This is no place for a "screen name" that references such a loathsome organization. Free speech has responsibility attached... Yelling Fire in a crowded theatre or saying the word "bomb" before boarding an airliner both have consequences. I don't tolerate racism or discrimination in my workplace or in my home and I see no reason to "live" with it here. I won't be associated with an entity that does tolerate blatant racism or discrimination, which is why you would never see me at either a Neo Nazi rally or Reverend Wright's Church. As much as I love Aces High, if it becomes a refuge for racebaiting bigots, "Brand X" combat Flight Sim will get a new subscriber.
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Anyway the last one I seen and reported was JUKILLER. Could he have meant JU-88 killer ect. ect NO!!!!!!! he meant meant to offend just like KKKUNITE means exactly what it says.
I asked said player.
He said JU was for Junker, as in JU-88/87 etc.
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im still trying to fiugre out whats wrong with either of these names :D
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im still trying to fiugre out whats wrong with either of these names :D
um,they're in all caps. Hello? :rolleyes:
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they must be some of drdeathx's shade accounts :D
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(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/forum/weird.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org) and the last thing I will say on this topic is (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/forum/locked.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
*edit, walrus I think you may have a problem if you think names like that should be allowed*
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Evidently you can change game ids while on the two week trial. These two did it at least 4 times within a couple hours.
Les
I don't think that's possible, if anything they are just creating new accounts.
Badmofo is no big deal to me, the other has to go.
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I asked said player.
He said JU was for Junker, as in JU-88/87 etc.
If he is being honest, then he's an thoughtless idiot. Whatever the case, that is an unacceptable handle.
If anyone thinks that "JUKILLER" is harmless or doesn't offend, go ahead and put a bumper sticker on you car that says "JUKILLER" and park it in a synagogue parking lot overnight... Double check your insurance deductible first.
My regards,
Widewing
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If he is being honest, then he's an thoughtless idiot. Whatever the case, that is an unacceptable handle.
If anyone thinks that "JUKILLER" is harmless or doesn't offend, go ahead and put a bumper sticker on you car that says "JUKILLER" and park it in a synagogue parking lot overnight... Double check your insurance deductible first.
My regards,
Widewing
Very well put WideWing.
It's always odd that there always is this little 1% that enjoys doing this sort of thing. (cheating, inapproiate usernames... etc.)
I woulda been happier if his name was just 10923029385471
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Very well put WideWing.
It's always odd that there always is this little 1% that enjoys doing this sort of thing. (cheating, inapproiate usernames... etc.)
I woulda been happier if his name was just 10923029385471
You're getting better. Keep this up, you'll soon get closer to the surface of AH. ;)
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You're getting better. Keep this up, you'll soon get closer to the surface of AH. ;)
Even most idiots can point out simple facts like that... (except the 'specail' few) :noid
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Maybe JUkiller really is daft :confused: but these kids were on to stir things up when KKKUNITE asked "if there was any white brothers on" :furious Now the name by itself could mean anything but linked with what he typed was unacceptable.
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Now the name by itself could mean anything
You have got to be kidding, or one of these idiot kids is yours.
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It's always odd that there always is this little 1% that enjoys doing this sort of thing. (cheating, inapproiate usernames... etc.)
You know, I agree that some of these names really are offensive and have no place here in AH2.... Then I recall that "someone" has already said that "pissing people off" is one of the primary goals of the game community in AH2.
Is it just me, or are the two concepts difficult to separate?
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Maybe JUkiller really is daft :confused: but these kids were on to stir things up when KKKUNITE asked "if there was any white brothers on" :furious Now the name by itself could mean anything but linked with what he typed was unacceptable.
I dont think that KKKUNITE could mean something totally not racist. I cant think of a way that you could put kkk all together in a name.
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I dont think that KKKUNITE could mean something totally not racist. I cant think of a way that you could put kkk all together in a name.
What I am trying to say is that I probably would have totally missed it had they just been texting normal banter because we were in the air fighting. But when it was together it really hit me.. I usually don't read it too closely
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I asked said player.
He said JU was for Junker, as in JU-88/87 etc.
Gullible twit
Plus the guy's gone as far as I know
m ike
o scar
r onald
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n ancy
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Gullible twit
Plus the guy's gone as far as I know
moron
To be honest I didn't catch that one either till it was brought up. Never the less I wouldn't want it for my licence Plate. :aok
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Gullible twit
Plus the guy's gone as far as I know
m ike
o scar
r onald
o scar
n ancy
:rolleyes:
Just because he reports what he's been told, doesn't mean he believes it.
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:rolleyes:
Just because he reports what he's been told, doesn't mean he believes it.
JUKiller as a name I'd give the player the benefit of the doubt, as it COULD (and does) stand for Junker. I have a squaddie that goes by DieAZ, and to someone that didn't play Air Warrior, that could be considered DieAsians.
It's all about the context.
Granted, I wouldn't want that as a bumper sticker anymore than I would want "Hog Rider" when I park my car near a Jenny Craig, as both can be misunderstood by those that don't play "airplane" like we do.
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Then I recall that "someone" has already said that "pissing people off" is one of the primary goals of the game community in AH2.
I am sure that that certain "someone" will not allow "hate" people/groups to thrive in Aces High, nor was the context of that statement, when it was made, condoning this type of behavior.
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This issue should really have been handled via email to support@hitechcreations.com.
There is really no point in debate. What is done with questionable ID's is purely up to the disgression of HTC. All a player has the ability do is bring an ID to HTC's attention via email/phone, and/or use the .report tool.
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One would hope humanity would mature beyond this after a few thousand years.
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You know, I agree that some of these names really are offensive and have no place here in AH2.... Then I recall that "someone" has already said that "pissing people off" is one of the primary goals of the game community in AH2.
Is it just me, or are the two concepts difficult to separate?
Yes...it's just you. Since the intent of the 2nd is to pissoff people within the rules of the game. The 1st is obviously outside the rules.
It is interesting that you would take a statement totally out of context and attempt to apply it to a totally unrelated situation. Are you a news reporter? :D
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One would hope humanity would mature beyond this after a few thousand years.
Well, it hasn't done so in the last 18. I can remember folks doing the same in AW on Genie back in 1990. They could create an account on Friday night and not be charged for it until Monday morning. Dweebs used to love to come in and do this kind of tripe.
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Not sure guys, help me out here. Doesn't a CPID have to be approved by the folks at HT first?? So shouldn't they have shot these down before they ever reached the community?
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Not sure guys, help me out here. Doesn't a CPID have to be approved by the folks at HT first?? So shouldn't they have shot these down before they ever reached the community?
No.
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No.
Ok, I'll bite. Why not?
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Ok, I'll bite. Why not?
Business.
Download the game on Friday night, then wait till your CPID gets approved on Monday without being able to play during the whole weekend is hardly a good idea to get new customers.
Or HTC would have to pay someone to check new CPID's 24/7. Considering how little abuse like the one mentioned in this thread is actually done, it's not worth the effort (&money!).
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JUKiller as a name I'd give the player the benefit of the doubt, as it COULD (and does) stand for Junker. I have a squaddie that goes by DieAZ, and to someone that didn't play Air Warrior, that could be considered DieAsians.:huh :huh :huh
It's all about the context.
Granted, I wouldn't want that as a bumper sticker anymore than I would want "Hog Rider" when I park my car near a Jenny Craig, as both can be misunderstood by those that don't play "airplane" like we do.
Your a dope. I stick with my original statement to you on this subject.
Until recently, I've rode for many years and I bet the bumper sticker Hog Rider would sell and get you laid.
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fat women need lovin too!!!!!
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Your a dope. I stick with my original statement to you on this subject.
What's with all your insults towards Lute? Saying he'd give a guy the benefit of the doubt doesn't:
1. Imply that he thinks a certain name is acceptable;
2. Imply that he thinks a certain player is very bright for choosing such name; or
3. Imply that he himself would have had the same lapse in judgement.
All that it implies is that he's willing to give the benefit of the doubt to that person. In other words, that he is willing to believe the person had a moment of poor judgement and goofed up honestly and without malicious intent.
Back off him already. I'm still waiting for your PM regarding this statement:
You other reckless fools out there that try to defend this behavior are the same dopes who help keep the American Flag out of schools, off city/goverment vehicles and God's name out of Society. We really don't need you in the game or country IMO
To me, that statement is the sort of one a "dope" might say, but of course I'm willing to give you that pesky ol' benefit of the doubt that this thread has touched you in a sore spot and clouded your judgment. Given what the thread's about, and the high emotions that typically run with such things, I think there's an excellent chance that's precisely what has happened.
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Strange, I don't remember seeing ANYONE suggest that such things should be ignored or tolerated. I did notice more than one person suggest that perhaps there was an innocent mistake made and it should be checked out.
Geez, the MA term "text nazis" comes to mind with some of the comments I have read here. A8tool, perhaps you could take a break from trussing yourself up with the stars and stripes long enough to realize that this is not a school, a government building or any of the other things you mentioned. In point of fact, some of the people playing here do not even have English as a 2nd, much less 1st, language. It's a game. HTC has a history of dealing with things like this rather quickly (and harshly...if needed). So, put down the flag and relax.
Since I wasn't actually there, I am not (nor is anyone else that wasn't there) qualified to make a judgment with out more evidence.
BTW, I'm an over 50 conservative Republican that thinks the ACLU are the dumbest bunch of donut heads in the country. Just so you know. :D
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my in game id is oldnlame.
I guess it would be taken as offensive if it were not a true indication of my abilities.
It was chosen to irritate the people sad enough to be shot down by me.
-SR- :noid
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:huh JUKILLER is unacceptable? If that's the case, then the JU-88 should certainly be removed from the game. As a few sensitive people have pointed out, JU means Jew. It is well known that "88" is a common white supremacist symbol meaning Heil Hitler. You put Ju and 88 together and you get an orgy of racism, offensiveness, and old ladies blushing.
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:huh JUKILLER is unacceptable? If that's the case, then the JU-88 should certainly be removed from the game. As a few sensitive people have pointed out, JU means Jew. It is well known that "88" is a common white supremacist symbol meaning Heil Hitler. You put Ju and 88 together and you get an orgy of racism, offensiveness, and old ladies blushing.
The boat left and you weren't on it. Let the thread go.
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rock the boat!!!!
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Shouldn't we be politically correct and respect his or her ideological differences? Shouldn't we be tolerant, even if we don't think they are? They shouldn't be banned because someone takes their own interpretation of the name and decides to be appalled by it. After all, ANY name that might represent a philosophy, belief system, or culture can be construed as offensive to someone, somewhere. A whole lot of people would need to be banned. That is, if fairness were of any concern.
Going back to the original point, the above argument would be the case if we were living before 1933. However, the advent of Nazism and Fascism, the Second World War, and the Holocaust taught a valuable lesson to humanity in just where the limits of "tolerance" and "libery" lies at - or rather, at which point "tolerance" degenerates into "inaction" and subsequentially leads to self-destruction of the democratic system itself.
Thus, modern concept of democracy harbors an aggressive, yet defensive clause;
"In the end, Fascism scarred the 20th century as a century of barbarism, and thus left a valuable lesson to us. In reality, liberal democracy had a weakness. The freedom of ideas also secured the freedom of an idea that denied democracy itself. The democratic ideals of the Weimar repbublic gave power to those who would 'destroy democracy itself through the democratic system', and thus legally self-destructed. It may be possible to legally give power to Fascists, but it is impossible to legally return to democracy from that point on. These are the lessons of Fascism to humanity - we will not tolerate those who deny tolerance itself. Such, is a self-denial of democracy.[/b]"
- J. K. Chin, politcal columnist -
Adolf Hitler himself stated,
"Only one thing could have stopped our movement. If our adversaries had understood its principle, and from the first day had smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."
Thus, ensuring the freedom of someone who would persecute, discriminate, and treat with malice and hatred, another person on grounds of race, gender, sex, religion and etc., is in turn, denying the freedom to live, the freedom of existence for those being attacked and persecuted. Therefore, the freedom of speech and action does not apply to digusting degenerates such as the KKK - it is politically incorrect. To do so, is a self-denial of democracy itself, and to tolerate such attempts in our community, is inaction and cowardice in face of those who would harm others through unjust and hateful ideas.
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I completely, 100%, disagree with your last paragraph, Kweassa. Freedom of speech should apply to all, no matter how disgusting you or I personally think their views are.
You must remember, somewhere out there, someone thinks the same about yours.
(And I realize I very much need to stop reading/posting in this thread, but been drinking with some Aussies tonight, so gimme a break :) )
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Sorry, But Aces High is NOT a Democracy. Email your complaint to HTC and let them decide. Beyond that you guys are just blowing smoke.
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Sorry, But Aces High is NOT a Democracy. Email your complaint to HTC and let them decide. Beyond that you guys are just blowing smoke.
can't we all just get along?
sorry.......someone had to say it....so it may as well be me :D
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:huh JUKILLER is unacceptable? If that's the case, then the JU-88 should certainly be removed from the game. As a few sensitive people have pointed out, JU means Jew. It is well known that "88" is a common white supremacist symbol meaning Heil Hitler. You put Ju and 88 together and you get an orgy of racism, offensiveness, and old ladies blushing.
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The boat left and you weren't on it. Let the thread go.
Yes, but he jumped in the Ocean and tried to swim to it... :lol
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Walrus = Chumley? (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/chumley.jpg)
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I completely, 100%, disagree with your last paragraph, Kweassa. Freedom of speech should apply to all, no matter how disgusting you or I personally think their views are.
You must remember, somewhere out there, someone thinks the same about yours.
Vudak, what you're saying is essentially the same thing as saying "I will not shoot someone who is pointing a gun at me and about to pull the trigger, because, he has a right to live". In the legal sense, the above case is of course, treated as a matter of self-defense, where even the worst of crimes - namely taking another person's life - is considered an action with no alternative as any other would comprimise one's very own life. Therefore, it is treated as neither murder nor manslaughter. It is literally, self-defense.
Essentially, what I've stated can be considred is a self-defense of democracy. As mentioned earlier, liberal democracy before the Second World War bordered dangerously close to absolute relativism, where every aspect of social struggle would one way or another be justified as freedom of thought, speech, and political action. The problem arose when a political idea, that in pure, "laissez-faire" version of liberal democracy, was supposed to be theoretically impossible to gain foothold among masses, instead gained national power through means of democracy and the masses and then proceeded to undermine democracy itself. This was never supposed to happen, since in liberal democracy, the public was supposed to naturally prevent such ideas and political parties from emgerging and gaining power in the first place.
However, the unimaginible did happen. Some people took power, completely through democraitic means, and then proceeded to destroy democracy itself with that power gained. Many things could have, might have stopped it from ever happening. Legal possibilities, political action, political alliances against Fascism, etc etc.. and yet, nobody stood up to the Nazi party and directly confronted it, and took measures to stop it because, idealistically, "democracy ensures the freedom of speech to all".
These course of events are essentially the same as the earliest capitalist ideal - everything was to be "controlled" by the "invisible hand", thus no intervention or action should be required to fine tune economy. Ofcourse, modern capitalist economy, no matter how market-oriented it is, doesn't work quite that way, and it always requires some sort of management to keep the market system from killing itself.
Political ideas aren't at an absolute relative distance from each other. Despite the different ideas and methods, from the far right to the far left, many of such ideas share an equal political basis in that the ultimate goal - through means of freedom and equality - is to make life better for people. Remember why such freedom is ensured within democracy in the first place: people believe it is better for many different ideas to circulate in society, and thus, through contest of ideas a consensus can be reached in determining which course of action will further promote democracy, and through it a better life for people believing in the system. Freedom, is not the objective - it is a means to reach the objective.
However, when someone willingly abuses the loopholes in the system, to use that freedom to gain power, and to use that power to destroy the system itself, then through his maliceful intent he loses his right of freedom, since his freedom will willfully hurt others. It's essentially the same thing as not granting anyone a freedom of a killing spree - the law prohibits his freedom to do so, because ensuring his freedom to kill and hurt others, is basically denying the freedom of many others to live and to exist in this world.
Ideas that oppose the fundamental ideals of democracy itself, such as the racist notions of the KKK or the Fascists and Neo-Nazis, is, like a gun. Even the NRA wouldn't grant a madman the right to bear arms, and some ideas, unlike guns, do not kill one or two people, but kill one million or two million people. And just as it would be a social duty for a free man to stop a madman from toting guns at innocent people, if he had the power to do so, it is as much a duty for a democratic society to aggressively defend itself from ideas that would undermine the freedom and equality of other people. If we can't do that, because we're supposed to recognize "the freedom of speech" no matter how evil the idea is, then we might as well get rid of the police.
Why do we have police in the first place? Why do we allow them to cease certain freedoms from people, arrest people and rob their freedom? Put people in jail and take away their freedom? Because we all recognize the possibility that some people can abuse their freedom, and use it to break the law and hurt people. Thus, through the law we put a limiting clause on freedom, that we cannot exercise our freedom to intentionally disrupt society, disrupt order and peace, and hurt other people.
Every different idea, in the democratic system, is treated relatively and equally so long as they respect the fundamental basics of democracy where their freedom to express theior ideas comes from, in the first place.
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Kweassa,
A few things...
1. I would be more than happy to get into a civil debate with you... BUT... Let's mosey on over to the O'Club... Can you repost this there? I'll get to it when I get home...
2. Just for starters... I believe I recall seeing that you are not American, correct? Or are you an American living overseas? An American's concept of freedom of speech is often difficult for others to understand.
(It's kind of hard for me to ask you what you think a good American is if you aren't one. My definition is a guy who let's the Constitution guide his mind and the Declaration of Independence guide his heart. Your suggestion doesn't really match with either).
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i find it offensive that there is no tolerance in this entire thread. who made all you people the text police?? we dont live in a perfect world. you can ignore it or squawk about it, but its still there.
how would you feel if you picked a name that someone thought was offensive. maybe it is offensive to some people! ok thats nice now move along. every day i have to put up with things i find offensive and every day the media tells me its ok. every day my corporation tells me its ok. so i choose to ignore the offensive things. you can to.
as a great man once said, turn the other cheek! have a nice day :)
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This issue should really have been handled via email to support@hitechcreations.com.
There is really no point in debate. What is done with questionable ID's is purely up to the disgression of HTC. All a player has the ability do is bring an ID to HTC's attention via email/phone, and/or use the .report tool.
discretion not disgression..
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i find it offensive that there is no tolerance in this entire thread. who made all you people the text police?? we dont live in a perfect world. you can ignore it or squawk about it, but its still there.
how would you feel if you picked a name that someone thought was offensive. maybe it is offensive to some people! ok thats nice now move along. every day i have to put up with things i find offensive and every day the media tells me its ok. every day my corporation tells me its ok. so i choose to ignore the offensive things. you can to.
as a great man once said, turn the other cheek! have a nice day :)
i turned the other cheek once when i was in school. i got hit in it. never again
BTW, your icon has a swastika in it. that is offensive :O
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Sadly the swastika has been made to be a simble of hatred rather than its original meaning in far east culture. If i see one in the street (yes there are swastika graffitis here) I dont take offence, I just laugh that the guy is dumb enough to think it hurts anyone.
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i find it offensive that there is no tolerance in this entire thread. who made all you people the text police?? we dont live in a perfect world. you can ignore it or squawk about it, but its still there.
how would you feel if you picked a name that someone thought was offensive. maybe it is offensive to some people! ok thats nice now move along. every day i have to put up with things i find offensive and every day the media tells me its ok. every day my corporation tells me its ok. so i choose to ignore the offensive things. you can to.
as a great man once said, turn the other cheek! have a nice day :)
If anyone finds any CPID offensive ... they should make HTC aware ... and HTC will be the final word or what is acceptable within the game ... end of story.
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Sadly the swastika has been made to be a simble of hatred rather than its original meaning in far east culture. If i see one in the street (yes there are swastika graffitis here) I dont take offence, I just laugh that the guy is dumb enough to think it hurts anyone.
The Nazi symbol is an alteration of the original swastika ... and the original symbol, as seen on Finnish planes in Aces High ... is not a problem.
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Ok, uptown. Sorry. Maybe you should type in all caps again with lots of exclamation points to prove your point. Ex: "JUKILLER IS OFFENSIVE!!!!!! JU88 IS NOT OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!" It must be true when it is put like that.
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I think I have a brilliant idea...
Let's ALL move this on over to the O'Club, so that those of you who claim to be very offended by having to read the letter K three times in a row, won't have to keep seeing it at the very top of the General Discussion Board due to someone bumping it...
Ever notice in real life how it goes something like this?
"Oh my GOD! This is the most offensive thing I've ever seen! That guy should be hanged! I am extremely hurt by what I've read!"
(Hamster wheel runs in head)...
"I KNOW! I'll call every news station in the country so as many people as possible have the opportunity to be offended and hurt! Go me!"
I've noticed that :D
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Has anyone else shot down Eviltoejam latley?
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Has anyone else shot down Eviltoejam latley?
I flushed one earlier.
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Don't know but each game we've localized for Germany we've had to remove all blood and gore or our games couldn't be sold. We usually change the color of the blood from red to green, which we can get away with because our games are fantasy based RPGs for the most part.
The game Carmaggedon is another example. The German version had the blood and gore removed, the red was changed to green and the people because aliens to explain why there bodies would splatter green blood all over your windshield.
That's really nothing though, some countries have gone even further, like Greece and Brazil and have outlawed various game genres, though I do think Greece repealed the most of their Draconian measures.
ahhh the original Carmaggedon, one of the best politically incorrect games ever. Makes GTA hit & runs look tame lol
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If I were still playing, I'd make a list and email it to HTC. I say my peace that I say such names are unfit, and leave it up to HTC as to what is to be done.
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my ingame name is "DasNutt" I had someone PM me asking if the "NUTT" ment crazy or if I were referring to a testicle..
true story, where is my thread..
I will admit though im pretty sure KKKUNITE chose his name just for the sake of pissing people off.
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my ingame name is "DasNutt" I had someone PM me asking if the "NUTT" ment crazy or if I were referring to a testicle..
true story, where is my thread..
I will admit though im pretty sure KKKUNITE chose his name just for the sake of pissing people off.
and judging by the 11 pages of repitetion, it has worked rather nicely, eh?
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This thread makes Barbara Streisand cry.