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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Donzo on July 15, 2008, 05:45:11 PM
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This just floors me. Here we have a dad defending his daughter from some thugs only to have them call their friends and jump the dad.
These guys are already out on bail (40-60K each...each posting 10% each) and they range in age from 14 to 22. Yep, they're out and the dad is still in the hospital with a fractured skull.
The father of a 12-year-old girl who tried to keep a young man from groping his daughter at a popular Shakopee amusement park was seriously hurt late on July 4 after he was allegedly kicked and stomped by a group of men in an attack police called "brutal."
Link: http://www.startribune.com/local/south/25452349.html?location_refer=Local%20+%20Metro:1
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saw that today......... disgusting
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I wish I had just one 'get out of jail free' card where I could post anything at all here. Just one. I'd use it here and explain why after reading the article I am not surprised at their behavior.
I think someone in another thread referred to it as feral.
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At some point I would say those vermin need to be shot. Maybe not killed, but at a minimum paralyzed. You don't see many paraplegics committing violent crimes. Then set them up with little pencil for sale sets so they can make enough money to replace their piss bags.
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The parents of these little dirtbags should suffer the same fate as the father, and the the little bast@%Ds should be castrated while they are still young so they won't have the urge to do that again.
At some point I would say those vermin need to be shot. Maybe not killed, but at a minimum paralyzed. You don't see many paraplegics committing violent crimes. Then set them up with little pencil for sale sets so they can make enough money to replace their piss bags.
Or yeagers Idea.
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found some more information
(http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/30/2008/07/15/320x240/ValleyfairAssault.jpg)
Charges of third-degree felony assault were filed against Darris D. Evans, 20; Derry D. Evans, 19; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18; Terry L. Arnold, 22; Andrew D. Shannon, 19; Anthony C. Gildersleeve, 20; and the unidentified juvenile.
why only 3rd degree?
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6 Black men attack and assault a man after he rebuked one of their sexual assaults on his underage daughter.
I'd be willing to bet that the assaulted man was white, merely because they make NO mention of race whatsoever, including the attackers.
So when will the Reverend be marching for the injustice commited against these poor fellows?
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At some point I would say those vermin need to be shot. Maybe not killed, but at a minimum paralyzed. You don't see many paraplegics committing violent crimes. Then set them up with little pencil for sale sets so they can make enough money to replace their piss bags.
A F'in Men Yeager. A single bullet to the cranium, if they survive the first one, spend another nickel.
Disclaimer: Oh, feel free to make my comment "free of Color". Race has not a damn thing to do with it. If these were <insert random race>, my solution would be identical.
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JENA 6 ROUND 2
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Oh, the "war" by the Black underclass against Whites is easy to see for anyone who cares to look
But none care to look, now do they?
Much more of a threat to the average person on a daily basis than Islamic fundamentalists.
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This is when you get a base-ball bat after you're out of the hospital, and beat down every single one of them 1 at a time... Happened to my aunt when she was little, and my uncle got jumped by 5 people. The second he was out of the hospital, he went knocking on doors w/ a base-ball bat...
Stupid ares kids these days... These types should just be taken out back during school and get the crud beat out of them...
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If you do some searches you will find these 6 have histories of assaults and robberies. When the father gets out of the hospitol he should dissapere, lay low and then the 6 one at a time have accidents. Otherwise the baseball bat routine may get his family killed by the 6 supported by 6 more of their scum freinds. This american citizen demographic travels and commits crimes in groups.
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Too bad the father didn't have a gun in the first place.
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. If these were <insert random race>, my solution would be identical.
Of course it would, you understand basic conceptions of justice.
But it always seems to be same race in these attacks, now doesn't it? And this is NOT the result of White xenophobia...when is the last time any White person felt uncomforable when a Japanese guy walked past them?
Of course, if you go buy the news, all inter-racial attacks are White on Black. A figure which is off by as much as 90%. The reporters never seem to know the race of the victim of Black crimes, could all be Samoans for what they tell you.
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Too bad the father didn't have a gun in the first place.
Oh, but the amusement park has sign stating that handguns are not permitted...which translates to "thugs welcome, ain't nobody gonna mess with you...bring your friends!"
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The gun would have come out if it meant saving my daughter, sign or not..
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The gun would have come out if it meant saving my daughter, sign or not..
I right there with ya! :aok
Another sad reality is that IF this dad managed to get a couple of good hits in on one of these thugs while he was being attacked, you know there would be some lawyer beating down the door to represent the thug and sue the father.
One of the talk show host here was reading an email someone sent in regarding the host's suggestion that criminals do hard labor in prison or work while they are in.
The listeners response was something along the line of this......
"it's not fair to have them work while in prison, you are punishing them by sending them there in the first place...if they want to sleep and watch tv they should be able to....if you want them to work then don't send them to prison and let the get jobs!"
WOW! It amazes me that people actually think this way.
It also amazes me that people think that signs posted saying that handguns are not permitted makes the place safer. Personally, I would feel much safer walking into a place that had a sign posted stating that hanguns were welcome...encouraged, even.
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Waiting for the MT comment.
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I right there with ya! :aok
It also amazes me that people think that signs posted saying that handguns are not permitted makes the place safer. Personally, I would feel much safer walking into a place that had a sign posted stating that hanguns were welcome...encouraged, even.
There is only one explanation for it.
The amusement park owners KNOW that common criminals are not going to be concerned. (And of course, even a truly weaponless enviroment favors the thug, since they will be young, strong men used to fighting, and will be choosing their victims.) They have to know that this is basically disarming potential victims.
They HAVE to know that any nutcase planning on shooting the place up isn't going to be stopped either.
So the only explanation is that they are MORE afraid of CCL holders/armed citizen than either thugs or murderous nutcases. Scary, isn't it?
Or more likely lawsuit. The scenarios run like this:
A. Rampant nutcase smuggles gun in, kills 15 people. Since he violated policy by bringing the gun in, no lawsuit that will fly!
B. Rampant nutcase shoots 2 people, then takes two dead center of mass from an armed citizen's weapon. Families of the two dead patrons AND dead nutcase sue the park because they allowed guns in.
So the difference is 12 fewer stiffs with scenario B than A. But in scenario A, the corporation is not sued, so they prefer it.
And that, gentlemen, is why their should be some CEOs swinging by the neck from the cotton-wood branches in America.
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Thugs like this should swing first, then get a good batch of lawyers up there, then we can move on to the CEOs. :aok
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Waiting for the MT comment.
Why?
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If this went down the way the story tells it, then put 'em down. End the needless suffering they'll cause to others in the future, and save some tax dollars now.
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That's nothing - I'm actually quite surprised it's even considered newsworthy, considering that this case (see below) was all but blacked out by the media until a massive outcry on the Internet:
The Horrific Torture/Rape/Mutilation/Murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom...
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/newsom.jpg)
...by these fine young gentlemen:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/killers.jpg)
You can read all about it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp)
and/or watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLe_pDpq4s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLe_pDpq4s&feature=related)
or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwoKQq3oHko&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwoKQq3oHko&feature=related)
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That's nothing - I'm actually quite surprised it's even considered newsworthy, considering that this case (see below) was all but blacked out by the media until a massive outcry on the Internet:
The Horrific Torture/Rape/Mutilation/Murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom...
I was just about to post the same thing. Both are horrible but this turned my stomach....
(http://wate.images.worldnow.com/images/5930690_BG1.jpg)
(http://wate.images.worldnow.com/images/5930690_BG2.jpg)
Shot Christopher and took Channon to a house and held/raped her for days before finally shooting her.
(http://www.newnation.org/Images/2007/ChannonChristian-and-ChristopherNewsom.jpg)
*Slamfire-didnt mean to double post the pictures but yours weren't showing at first...
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I'm sure that was a big news on the stormfront forums.
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I'm sure that was a big news on the stormfront forums.
The important question Sir is why that is the ONLY place it is big news. No media frenzy over either of these crimes that I recall, and I read the newspaper nearly every day.
Unlike the odd White-on-Black crime that happens. Even made-up White-on-Black crime like the Duke case.
Is Black-on-White crime so common as to not be newsworthy, :D or is the REAL explanation even worse?
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At some point I would say those vermin need to be shot. Maybe not killed, but at a minimum paralyzed. You don't see many paraplegics committing violent crimes. Then set them up with little pencil for sale sets so they can make enough money to replace their piss bags.
hang them all by their nuts, and shoot em in the kneecaps with a .22. see how long they last.
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payback for slavery maybe?
Perhaps slavery restitution would calm these angry young men down some and turn them into decent folk....at least until the newly purchased supply of crack ran out. I know its racist....I know :cry
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payback for slavery maybe?
Perhaps slavery restitution would calm these angry young men down some and turn them into decent folk....at least until the newly purchased supply of crack ran out. I know its racist....I know :cry
Isn't Affirmative Action part of that idea?
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payback for slavery maybe?
Perhaps slavery restitution would calm these angry young men down some and turn them into decent folk....at least until the newly purchased supply of crack ran out. I know its racist....I know :cry
It may be racist, but for most it's true.
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There is only one explanation for it.
The amusement park owners KNOW that common criminals are not going to be concerned. (And of course, even a truly weaponless enviroment favors the thug, since they will be young, strong men used to fighting, and will be choosing their victims.) They have to know that this is basically disarming potential victims.
They HAVE to know that any nutcase planning on shooting the place up isn't going to be stopped either.
So the only explanation is that they are MORE afraid of CCL holders/armed citizen than either thugs or murderous nutcases. Scary, isn't it?
Or more likely lawsuit. The scenarios run like this:
A. Rampant nutcase smuggles gun in, kills 15 people. Since he violated policy by bringing the gun in, no lawsuit that will fly!
B. Rampant nutcase shoots 2 people, then takes two dead center of mass from an armed citizen's weapon. Families of the two dead patrons AND dead nutcase sue the park because they allowed guns in.
So the difference is 12 fewer stiffs with scenario B than A. But in scenario A, the corporation is not sued, so they prefer it.
And that, gentlemen, is why their should be some CEOs swinging by the neck from the cotton-wood branches in America.
...In some ways' correct. However, The thing you forgot to mention, is that an insurance company, is what really made them put the signs' up in the first place. Or, they will cancel the amusement parks' coverage and policy.
Now, at this point, you have to ask yourself, if the insurance company knew all of the things' you stated in your post? I'm sure they do. They spend money to try to find the best way to protect their bottom line. Or, I should say, the ratio of payable claims' to collected premiums.
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freakin 'insurance' company's... them 'n their gawdamned armies of freakin shysters...
..buncha damn thieves.
Hang
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Gee will they be charged with a hate crime?
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Nope. And that should be a crime.
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They should not be charged with a hate crime. No one should ever be charged with a hate crime. The very notion of hate crimes is ridiculous.
In the United States, you are allowed to be racist. You are allowed to hate gays. You have the right to think or feel anything you want. Based on that, you should never be at risk of punishment for your thoughts, or at risk of further punishment because of them.
That said, these folks should never be given the opportunity to do anything like this again.
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The parents of these little dirtbags should suffer the same fate as the father, and the the little bast@%Ds should be castrated while they are still young so they won't have the urge to do that again.
Or yeagers Idea.
Or so they can't pollute the gene pool any more.
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I'm surprised nobody has brought up this part:
The group beat up the father as his wife and daughter looked on, police said. The man was seriously injured and unconscious when police arrived.
I have this image of the poor guy getting his skull cracked while the mom clutches the daughter and just shouts "Stop it! You're hurting him!". Like that's going to be real effective in a crisis situation.
All this talk about guns, but no talk about the quality of the park's security forces?
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Waiting for the MT comment.
Yeah, why?
They need to pay for thier crime.
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payback for slavery maybe?
Perhaps slavery restitution would calm these angry young men down some and turn them into decent folk....at least until the newly purchased supply of crack ran out. I know its racist....I know :cry
perhaps since they were never slaves, and it in no way affects them, they should consider trying to find another excuse? like.........the one eyed purple people eater told them to do it.
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perhaps since they were never slaves, and it in no way affects them, they should consider trying to find another excuse? like.........the one eyed purple people eater told them to do it.
I love this excuse. It's actually my #1 favorite.
I came across this in the Army. New recruit told me that I was being racist for making him clean the latrine. He also said that "da man" was always hold him back to try to perpetuate slavery.
My response was "Hmmm, 3 stripes on my collar, none on yours. Crap runs down hill. My mother is 2nd generation German, Father is 2nd generation Italian. My grandfather never owned your grandfather. So.....shut your pie hole and take your no rank arse to the latrine and clean it."
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I love this excuse. It's actually my #1 favorite.
I came across this in the Army. New recruit told me that I was being racist for making him clean the latrine. He also said that "da man" was always hold him back to try to perpetuate slavery.
My response was "Hmmm, 3 stripes on my collar, none on yours. Crap runs down hill. My mother is 2nd generation German, Father is 2nd generation Italian. My grandfather never owned your grandfather. So.....shut your pie hole and take your no rank arse to the latrine and clean it."
doesn't surprise me in the least. only difference is that now, they'll probably get awa with it.
everyone seems to want to think this was a racial thing. i think it wasn't.
it was a sick perverted bastage, that thought the father wouldn't have the balls to defend his daughter. when dad DID, the guy couldn't handle it himself, so he acted like the p%#sy he is, and calle his friends.
these guys don't even deserve a trial. they had no good reason to do this. when the lawyers run to defend these scumbag jerks, they're gonna put that por kid through so much more chit. and they'll turn it around and try sayin the dad was racist. when they finish, the kid'll probably never go to another amusement park again.
what would be great, would be for the family to have their lawyer go after the lawyers that are gonna keep this watermelon in the courts for so many years.
in the meantime? give the scum some time to think about what they did.......hang em by their balls.
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All this talk about guns, but no talk about the quality of the park's security forces?
"Self-defense is a natural bodily function. Like other natural bodily functions, it cannot be effectively delegated...or suppressed without terrible consequences."
The idea of having enough security in every area to be EFFECTIVE for protecting people in case of attack is impractical. Nobody is going to hire that many guards, and really, you can't blame them, considering how much it would cost. Nor is the idea nessecarily desirable IMO.
A lone un-armed guard here would have been unable or unwilling to do anything. An armed guard would have been more expensive and not much better trained than our average armed citizen.
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BnZ
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I don't pretend to know why but it is simply a fact that one minority race commits more than half of the homicides and violent crime in this country.. I deal with the reality. this sort of thing is a part of the "black culture" that I despise.
It is really the teachings right out of gangster rap... Why is anyone surprised? It is the result of white guilt excusing and pretending they didn't see...
you in other countries who say we don't need guns.. this is the reason.. these are the animals we have here. When you talk about how "diverse" you are.. I ask you.. How many of these feral aholes have you got?
lazs
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Let's just see how many of em are charged with a "hate crime" shall we? then we will know all about racism in America.
lazs
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sue the amusement park.
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Let's just see how many of em are charged with a "hate crime" shall we? then we will know all about racism in America.
lazs
the father surely will be. after all, he did assault these fine young men with his face. have you ever seen the damage a well placed face can do to your fist? it's horrible.
possibly for the mother yelling at the poor helpless black men
the daughter will be for not giving the first guy what he wanted, because he was black(it will beocme irrelevent tht she was only 12)
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That's nothing - I'm actually quite surprised it's even considered newsworthy, considering that this case (see below) was all but blacked out by the media until a massive outcry on the Internet:
The Horrific Torture/Rape/Mutilation/Murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom...
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/newsom.jpg)
...by these fine young gentlemen:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/killers.jpg)
You can read all about it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp)
and/or watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLe_pDpq4s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLe_pDpq4s&feature=related)
or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwoKQq3oHko&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwoKQq3oHko&feature=related)
I wonder if you actually read or listened to the stuff you posted? Horrific crime, but it wasn't covered up, and it was sensationalized by white supremist groups. I learned this from your links.
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found some more information
Charges of third-degree felony assault were filed against Darris D. Evans, 20; Derry D. Evans, 19; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18; Terry L. Arnold, 22; Andrew D. Shannon, 19; Anthony C. Gildersleeve, 20; and the unidentified juvenile.
why only 3rd degree?
Obviously a "Hate" prosecution. Where are Jesse and Al?
you in other countries who say we don't need guns.. this is the reason.. these are the animals we have here. When you talk about how "diverse" you are.. I ask you.. How many of these feral aholes have you got?
lazs
Other countries never had the benefit of LBJ's "Great Society".
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mt.. how do you "sensationalize" such behavoir?
I would ask you to be honest and tell us what you think would have happened if 6 white guys has sexually assaulted a 12 year old black girl at an amusement park and then beat the father senseless who tried to save his daughter?
There is racism in America.. it will always exist the way we are going about it.. affirmative action... hate crimes...
A smart person would just avoid as many negros as he could. no level playing field.
lazs
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I wonder if you actually read or listened to the stuff you posted? Horrific crime, but it wasn't covered up, and it was sensationalized by white supremist groups. I learned this from your links.
A fact is a fact, whether it comes from sheet-wearing, tobacco-spitting, redneck morons or Spike Lee. What these guys are upset about is the fact that so-called "Hate crimes" have and always will be One-Way.
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A fact is a fact, whether it comes from sheet-wearing, tobacco-spitting, redneck morons or Spike Lee. What these guys are upset about is the fact that so-called "Hate crimes" have and always will be One-Way.
Pretty much spot on.
By the way, Cthulhu, I am going to plagiarize your signature and start a religion based upon it. :aok
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mt.. how do you "sensationalize" such behavoir?
lazs
If you don't want to read the links...
you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't, that the bodies were sexually mutilated, they weren't... etc. The crime was terrible enough, it was sensationalized by the white supremists to further their own agenda, and that is despicable.
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They should not be charged with a hate crime. No one should ever be charged with a hate crime. The very notion of hate crimes is ridiculous.
Agreed 100%. People, whatever their color, should not be prosecuted for "Thought Crimes".
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If you don't want to read the links...
you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't, that the bodies were sexually mutilated, they weren't... etc. The crime was terrible enough, it was sensationalized by the white supremists to further their own agenda, and that is despicable.
kinda like al sharpton and jesse jackson sensationalize things against whits to further their own agenda?
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Why qualify it with stupid PC crap like Hate?
It's a frikin' CRIME! A dirty low-down cowardly CRIME.
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Pretty much spot on.
By the way, Cthulhu, I am going to plagiarize your signature and start a religion based upon it. :aok
Feel free, just as long as I get my share of the sacrificial virgins. :devil
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kinda like al sharpton and jesse jackson sensationalize things against whits to further their own agenda?
not "kinda" at all. exactly like that.
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If you feel the need to sacrifice Virgins you are totally missing the point. ;)
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Fight fight black and a white...the black dont win we all jump in!!
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What is that in english?
lazs
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If you feel the need to sacrifice Virgins you are totally missing the point. ;)
I don't make the sacrifice, they do. :D
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Fight fight black and a white...the black dont win we all jump in!!
We have a similar saying here in Oz. You don't just fight one, you fight the tribe.
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If you don't want to read the links...
you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't, that the bodies were sexually mutilated, they weren't... etc. The crime was terrible enough, it was sensationalized by the white supremists to further their own agenda, and that is despicable.
i just read the snopes link.....so it's ok that instead of keeping her for days, they "only" kept her for 1 day...then they wrapped her inm trash bags and left her suffocate??????????
WTF's WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??????????????????????? THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.............
laz and all of them are right.........fkn arm the people. train them. then lets see how retarded effed up mindless scumbag cowards like these wastes of sperm react when their "victem" shoots em in the face :mad: :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious
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I wonder if you actually read or listened to the stuff you posted? Horrific crime, but it wasn't covered up, and it was sensationalized by white supremist groups. I learned this from your links.
This crime still has not been covered by the mainstream NATIONAL media - that's why it's never been mentioned at a national level, and this thread is the first time most people here have even heard about it. The fact that you had to follow my links to even learn about the event proves this.
The story was completely buried after it happened - NOBODY covered it - until White Supremacists started protesting - and THAT became the focus of the LOCAL (not national) media covering it. The focus of the little coverage it got was squarely focused on the Supremacists - not the actual crime.
That crime happened some 18 months ago - go mention the names Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom to your friends, coworkers and family... I GUARANTEE you nobody will have any idea who they are, because it was never covered (still to this day) in the mainstream national news.
Same can't be said of the Jenna Six or Duke Lacrosse Team.
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i just read the snopes link.....so it's ok that instead of keeping her for days, they "only" kept her for 1 day...then they wrapped her inm trash bags and left her suffocate??????????
WTF's WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??????????????????????? THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.............
laz and all of them are right.........fkn arm the people. train them. then lets see how retarded effed up mindless scumbag cowards like these wastes of sperm react when their "victem" shoots em in the face :mad: :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious
Who said it was OK?
Crime needs to be stopped.
Sensationalizing crime to further your agenda also needs to be stopped.
These things are not mutually exclusive. Saying one does not mean the other is OK!
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you are comparing 6 kids beating up on some racists to 6 men beating the crap out of a father defending his daughter from rape? jeez.
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you are comparing 6 kids beating up on some racists to 6 men beating the crap out of a father defending his daughter from rape? jeez.
You wouldn't? Six kids beat up some kid because he disrespected them, six guys beat up some dad because he disrespected them. Doesn't really matter what the victims did or said, it ALWAYS boils down to the gang feeling that they weren't shown the respect they think they deserve, never mind the fact that they did absolutely NOTHING to EVER earn any respect in the first place.
It's just the mentality of those folks, "You best be respectin me." Yeah right.
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So who is Chris Fields? Bradley Morse? David Boss? Charles Elmore Colvin III? Ann Lynn Colvin? Richard Warren Harper and Demetria Harper?
Bet you never heard of them.
The fact that people can't identify the victims of a crime in Tennessee is a testament to the amount of crime in this Country, not to a cover up.
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Hey Bongaroo, just saw that you were in Raleigh. I went to State many years ago.:cry Is Charlie Goodnight's still there?
Ok, we now return you to "Who's the Real Racist?", already in progress
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Who said it was OK?
Crime needs to be stopped.
Sensationalizing crime to further your agenda also needs to be stopped.
These things are not mutually exclusive. Saying one does not mean the other is OK!
"""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't"""
this line from your previous post "says" they lied, and it's better that they only held her for a single day before the killed her in a sadistic way. maybe i mininterpreted your reply there.
you still haven't answered lazs question.
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In my town, Some one gets killed,fifty witnesses,and no one saw anything...hommies protecting hommies.
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In my town, Some one gets killed,fifty witnesses,and no one saw anything...hommies protecting hommies.
toss em all in jail then. obstructing justice
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What is that in English?
lazs
No that is not English...its Ebonics
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In my town, Some one gets killed,fifty witnesses,and no one saw anything...hommies protecting hommies.
Camden, NJ?
:rofl
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No that is not English...its Ebonics
From the same people who made "disrespect" a verb. :confused:
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"""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't"""
this line from your previous post "says" they lied, and it's better that they only held her for a single day before the killed her in a sadistic way. maybe i mininterpreted your reply there.
you still haven't answered lazs question.
I never said anything was better. I said it was sensationalized. Do you deny that it was? I answered lazs question directly, with examples.
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toss em all in jail then. obstructing justice
No room in jail for them...we try ed to pass a tax to build a new jail....but the African American leaders
got all the hommies together and voted no...so guess what? no new jail!
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My response was "Hmmm, 3 stripes on my collar, none on yours.
So.....shut your pie hole and take your no rank arse to the latrine and clean it."
LOL pwnt WTG :aok
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Camden, NJ?
:rofl
camden, newark, trenton, or south philly :O
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I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this.
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No room in jail for them...we try ed to pass a tax to build a new jail....but the African American leaders
got all the hommies together and voted no...so guess what? no new jail!
dam!!!!!they thwarted the mighty whiteys!!
ok...no new jail...then bullets are cheap.
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I never said anything was better. I said it was sensationalized. Do you deny that it was? I answered lazs question directly, with examples.
guess i missed that somehow........i didn't see anything like "" al and jesse would be all over them like stink on chit"" or anything like that.......
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perhaps since they were never slaves, and it in no way affects them, they should consider trying to find another excuse? like.........the one eyed purple people eater told them to do it.
Hell, if you're white and of English/Irish/Scottish ancestry, chances are overwhelming that you too once had slave ancestors. They were called Serfs. Most European people who came to the new world did so to escape their downtrodden past.
Maybe we should call Sharpton and get him on the English Government for reparations - I'd gladly give him half my cut if he'd shill for me.
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I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this.
me personally...i don't lean republican or democrat.......they're all lyin scumbags.......
and i don;t pull out the race card till someone else does first. and generally.......and there is NO offense meant towards anyone here........it is always a black person that does it first
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Hell, if you're white and of English/Irish/Scottish ancestry, chances are overwhelming that you too once had slave ancestors. They were called Serfs. Most European people who came to the new world did so to escape their downtrodden past.
Maybe we should call Sharpton and get him on the English Government for reparations - I'd gladly give him half my cut if he'd shill for me.
hhmmmmm.......
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<is german/english :O
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So who is Chris Fields? Bradley Morse? David Boss? Charles Elmore Colvin III? Ann Lynn Colvin? Richard Warren Harper and Demetria Harper?
Bet you never heard of them.
The fact that people can't identify the victims of a crime in Tennessee is a testament to the amount of crime in this Country, not to a cover up.
Chris Fields, an 11 year old black boy who got dunked in the pool by some white A hole and called names because he got water splashed on him in the swimming pool by a bunch of kids. Chirs Fields is alive and well today and the A Hole was arrested and charged, as it should be. Nobody got killed nor seriously injured. Source NewsChannel 5 Nashville TN
David Boss, sicko who molested and killed his 14 year old stepdaughter, convicted of 1st degree murder and now in prison.
Bradley Morse, 25 year old white guy, killed by anouther white guy.
Charles and Ann Colvin were an elderly couple that were murdered in the home. Primary suspect is a 19 year old black kid who has already been charged in anouther murder and stealing a car.
Richard Warren Harper and Demetria Harper were both 32 and shot in the head in their home while 2 of their 3 children were also in the home. The investigation is still underway.
Now the main differance in all these cases and the ones being discussed in this thread is that in none of these incidents were these people killed by a roving gang of thugs.
What blows my mind is that you say the white supremicists are the ones blowing this out of proportion with the case in TN. HELLO? Those 5 people kidnapped 2 people. Stole the car they were in. Stole all their other possesions they had on them according to the DA, Raped, shot, and burned the body of the man and dumped him beside some railroad tracks, raped, beat, and suffocated the woman by wrapping her up in garbage bags and stuffing her into a trash can, THEN poured cleaning supplies into her mouth after she was dead to try and cover up any DNA evidence and kept the woman body in the house with them for 4 days.
Yeah murders and crime happen every day all over the country, but NOT like this case, and yet it was never on the national news.
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So who is Chris Fields? Bradley Morse? David Boss? Charles Elmore Colvin III? Ann Lynn Colvin? Richard Warren Harper and Demetria Harper?
Bet you never heard of them.
Actually I have head of Lynn/Colvin murders - that made the news here in Dallas. I remember the story mainly because of the name of the killer - another fine young gentleman (kind regards, warm smiles etc) by the name of Trucko Stampley.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/trucko.jpg)
I also remember that a guy with the last name of 'Hotard' managed to not get killed by Stampley. Truth be told, I only remember it because of the Hotard name (I found it ironic for obvious reasons).
I also know of Chris Fields - he was that poor 10 year old kid who got shot at a red light in LA.
Now the others, I admit, they don't ring a bell.
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I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this.
First off this has nothing to do with republicans or democrats.
I don't think i've ever seen one hate crime on the news where it was blacks attacking whites. Maybe if every crime committed by blacks against whites, and every crime committed by whites against blacks was covered by the news, the whole hate crime issue would go away and alot of people would feel like morons for supporting it.
I also don't see anyone playing the race card here. How is it that people posting from all across the country see the same problem, yet the media doesn't? If you talk to an honest, no b.s., hard working black person, without a chip on his or her shoulder, they'll tell you the same thing.
The word racist is used way to loosely to try and shame people here, when most of the time the people being labeled are just stating the facts.
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First off this has nothing to do with republicans or democrats.
I don't think i've ever seen one hate crime on the news where it was blacks attacking whites. Maybe if every crime committed by blacks against whites, and every crime committed by whites against blacks was covered by the news, the whole hate crime issue would go away and alot of people would feel like morons for supporting it.
I also don't see anyone playing the race card here. How is it that people posting from all across the country see the same problem, yet the media doesn't? If you talk to an honest, no b.s., hard working black person, without a chip on his or her shoulder, they'll tell you the same thing.
The word racist is used way to loosely to try and shame people here, when most of the time the people being labeled are just stating the facts.
Agreed!! We put up the FACTS and it racist. never understood it. :(
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Agreed!! We put up the FACTS and it racist. never understood it. :(
Sorry, but over 50 years of hard-earned life experience has taught me that in today's culture, a racist is simply anyone who disagrees with a black man.
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First off this has nothing to do with republicans or democrats.
I don't think i've ever seen one hate crime on the news where it was blacks attacking whites. Maybe if every crime committed by blacks against whites, and every crime committed by whites against blacks was covered by the news, the whole hate crime issue would go away and alot of people would feel like morons for supporting it.
I also don't see anyone playing the race card here. How is it that people posting from all across the country see the same problem, yet the media doesn't? If you talk to an honest, no b.s., hard working black person, without a chip on his or her shoulder, they'll tell you the same thing.
The word racist is used way to loosely to try and shame people here, when most of the time the people being labeled are just stating the facts.
well said......probably much better than the rest of us sir!! :aok :aok
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I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this.
Just wondering: is it racist for me to state that black men outnumber whites in prison by a factor of 10 to 1 ?
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Just wondering: is it racist for me to state that black men outnumber whites in prison by a factor of 10 to 1 ?
That might just border on hate speech!
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That might just border on hate speech!
Whew! Good thing I phrased it in the form of a question, Alex... and didn't actually state it :pray
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well said......probably much better than the rest of us sir!! :aok :aok
Thanks, but i read this thread last night and was so disgusted, well i was actually fuming, and knew i'd better wait till the morning.
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Just wondering: is it racist for me to state that black men outnumber whites in prison by a factor of 10 to 1 ?
And, don't forget, white population 194,552,774 black population 33,947,837 :D
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Just wondering: is it racist for me to state that black men outnumber whites in prison by a factor of 10 to 1 ?
Racist? Maybe, but only because it is an assumption or a lie, not a fact.
• Race and Ethnicity At the end of 2006, the prison population was 42 percent black, 40 percent white, and 16 percent Hispanic.
http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/16615876.html
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Chris Fields, an 11 year old black boy who got dunked in the pool by some white A hole and called names because he got water splashed on him in the swimming pool by a bunch of kids. Chirs Fields is alive and well today and the A Hole was arrested and charged, as it should be. Nobody got killed nor seriously injured. Source NewsChannel 5 Nashville TN
David Boss, sicko who molested and killed his 14 year old stepdaughter, convicted of 1st degree murder and now in prison.
Bradley Morse, 25 year old white guy, killed by anouther white guy.
Charles and Ann Colvin were an elderly couple that were murdered in the home. Primary suspect is a 19 year old black kid who has already been charged in anouther murder and stealing a car.
Richard Warren Harper and Demetria Harper were both 32 and shot in the head in their home while 2 of their 3 children were also in the home. The investigation is still underway.
Now the main differance in all these cases and the ones being discussed in this thread is that in none of these incidents were these people killed by a roving gang of thugs.
What blows my mind is that you say the white supremicists are the ones blowing this out of proportion with the case in TN. HELLO? Those 5 people kidnapped 2 people. Stole the car they were in. Stole all their other possesions they had on them according to the DA, Raped, shot, and burned the body of the man and dumped him beside some railroad tracks, raped, beat, and suffocated the woman by wrapping her up in garbage bags and stuffing her into a trash can, THEN poured cleaning supplies into her mouth after she was dead to try and cover up any DNA evidence and kept the woman body in the house with them for 4 days.
Yeah murders and crime happen every day all over the country, but NOT like this case, and yet it was never on the national news.
Actually Chris Fields was a 10 year old boy shot to death in Moreno Valley CA. while sitting in his car.
David Boss was also a victim of murder. Not bad looking up the others though.
Just a quick question, if the crimes we are discussing are so horrific (and I agree that they are), why did the white supremist groups embellish them and use them for publicity? Why wouldn't they just stick to the facts?
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Sorry, but over 50 years of hard-earned life experience has taught me that in today's culture, a racist is simply anyone who disagrees with a black man.
Meah. Most of the racists I know only say racist crap when they aren't around any blacks, hispanics, or asians. Most of these racists are really sissies blaming their woes on others. Ignorance is an ugly thing.
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There is a saying, "Racist is a word that Liberals use when they want to call a White man a n*gg*r".
That is a humorous saying, but I don't think it captures it just right.
Throwing the word "racist" and "White supremacist" around is more like the modern day equivalent of using the word "witch" in 17th century Salem.
The vast majority of interracial crimes are committed by Blacks against Whites. There is plenty of indication that race plays a factor in targeting.
More Whites have been killed by this guerrilla campaign by the Black underclass against Whites than have been killed by Islamic terrorists in the last century. Yet we barely speak of the former, let alone do anything about it. You can't solve a problem when pretend it doesn't exist.
And do you think the campaign of silence on this problem is going to do BLACKS any good in the long run, anymore than Whites? How long will a people tolerate a war being waged against them by what is after all, a minority, before smoldering resentment boils over?
You can call me racist, stamp and holler all you want to. But the fact is, I have never murdered anyone, raped anyone, robbed anyone. Nor will I. Pretend myself and people like me are the danger and the problem, instead of those who would take pleasure in killing you and raping your wife/daughter/sister, if you like. But it only makes you look stupid to do so.
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There is a saying, "Racist is a word that Liberals use when they want to call a White man a n*gg*r".
That is a humorous saying, but I don't think it captures it just right.
Throwing the word "racist" and "White supremacist" around is more like the modern day equivalent of using the word "witch" in 17th century Salem.
The vast majority of interracial crimes are committed by Blacks against Whites. There is plenty of indication that race plays a factor in targeting.
More Whites have been killed by this guerrilla campaign by the Black underclass against Whites than have been killed by Islamic terrorists in the last century. Yet we barely speak of the former, let alone do anything about it. You can't solve a problem when pretend it doesn't exist.
And do you think the campaign of silence on this problem is going to do BLACKS any good in the long run, anymore than Whites? How long will a people tolerate a war being waged against them by what is after all, a minority, before smoldering resentment boils over?
You can call me racist, stamp and holler all you want to. But the fact is, I have never murdered anyone, raped anyone, robbed anyone. Nor will I. Pretend myself and people like me are the danger and the problem, instead of those who would take pleasure in killing you and raping your wife/daughter/sister, if you like. But it only makes you look stupid to do so.
A guerrilla campaign? Wow! that's some extreme paranoia there.
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Racist? Maybe, but only because it is an assumption or a lie, not a fact.
http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/16615876.html
For the record, the above "statement" had no factual base. In fact it wasn't a statement at all - it was a question about the asking of such a statement. I was asking whether stating such a question was inherently racist. I'm assuming by your answer that it isn't AS LONG AS the facts are correct.
Just trying to figure out what the parameters are... So it's ok to say whatever so long as it's Factual. And also, does it work both ways ? ie: can the pot call the kettle... no wait bad choice of words...
You know what I mean... if a Sharpton, Jackson or Obama says something that isn't true about white people, can we also call them racists in return ?
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Everyone always criticizes me for saying that violent corporal punishment should be set up as our punishment system, instead of jail.
Then something like this happens and everyone wants it.
In a month when this is forgotten, they will think corporal punishment will be an evil thing again.
"A republican is a democrat who just got mugged."
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A guerrilla campaign? Wow! that's some extreme paranoia there.
Reginald Denny wasn't paranoid, but I bet he damn well is now.
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Actually Chris Fields was a 10 year old boy shot to death in Moreno Valley CA. while sitting in his car.
David Boss was also a victim of murder. Not bad looking up the others though.
Just a quick question, if the crimes we are discussing are so horrific (and I agree that they are), why did the white supremist groups embellish them and use them for publicity? Why wouldn't they just stick to the facts?
Well I took the most recent articals for Chris and David. Same names but different people and the one's I posted are pretty recent events. Regardless, still shows how much useless violence occurs.
As far as why they embelished what happend, I couldn't tell you. I don't belong to the KKK, or Neo Nazi party or anything like that. Sad fact is that any group will embelish or cover up the facts if it suits their purpose. It's not right and I don't agree with it, but eventually, like this case here, the truth comes out. Really no different than what the NAACP did with the Duke case. Jesse and Sharpton and their whole group were tossing around "facts" about that case that were completely made up, but it served their purpose so they ran with it. The truth came out and they ended up looking like clowns AGAIN.
The main problem with these groups are that they will spout off with "facts" before the official investigation is even complete because they "heard" from the "someone" who "knows" what "really" happened. Rumor mill is alive and well in this country and if the rumor works for you, run with it. Hell that's what 90% of the evening news is, rumor.
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"A republican is a democrat who just got mugged."
So true. One of my flaming liberal black buddies got all worked up when his house was burglarized. Wanted to know where he could get a shotgun. Of course the NRA was still a bunch of backwoods, inbred trailer-trash in his opinion, but he was in danger, and needed a gun right away. :rofl
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Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!.
Maybe we just need to say crime is bad, gangs are bad, murder is bad...
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Nothing like locking the barn door after the horses get out huh? But if you lock the barn door before they get out your paranoid that they will get out and that just makes you a crazy person.
Yeah that's a Democrap all right.
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Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!.
Maybe we just need to say crime is bad, gangs are bad, murder is bad...
Not quite. See crime is bad, gangs are bad, murder is bad...but how many times can you show us when a gang of white kids has gone into a black neighborhood and broke into a bunch of homes, stolen cars, raped people, and killed them, just for respect?
I'm SURE you can find examples but what's the occurance ratio vs black kids doing the same thing? You KNOW you can't say it's the same ratio.
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Bong:
Insult is the last refuge of the outargued. You have brought nothing to the discussion but the ability to toss names around. The fact is, there is tremendous hatred of Whites amongst the Black underclass, dwarfing any hatred of Blacks held by Whites in modern times. And Whites are the favored "targets of opportunity" for their thugs when available.
Funny you should mention Hispanics and Asians. In some of my business dealings, I've come to know a lot of them, especially convenience store owners, restaurateurs, and motel operators out of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India, and China. Like I said in the post about France's immigration policy, despite my misgivings about free immigration from regions known to produce terrorists, they are in fact mostly okay. They come to this country, just as different-looking as the Blacks, with even more differences in language, culture, and religion. Then they proceed to do much better than people who have been here 300 years, especially as regards rates of violent crime. And don't try to tell me that the Chinese, or the Jews, or the Hispanics, have experienced less racism than Blacks, they haven't.
The other thing about Hispanics and especially Middle Easterners/Asians is that nearly everyone of them that I know personally dislikes Blacks FAR more than myself or the average White person in general. In the words of a particular Pakistani convenience store owner "Blacks are a cancer on America." HIS words, not mine. Operating where he does, he has plenty of experience. He comes from a country with a totally different racial history than the U.S., yet he has come to this attitude in a few short years. Naturally hateful? Taught to hate Blacks in a country with no history of enslaving them and no discernable Black population? Or weary and disgusted with what he deals with everyday?
What can the reason be that so many immigrants I know are DESPERATE to save enough money to move into White neighborhoods, even lower-middle class ones? It isn't because they have any more racial/cultural commonalities with Whites than they do with Blacks. Its because even if the White guy across the street views them with suspicion or even dislike, he is still far less likely to steal/vandalize their property, murder them and rape their daughter. Hell, decent BLACKS move out of these neighborhoods if they have the means.
Like I say, it is a huge problem, and blaming it on those who AIN'T doing the murdering, robbing, and the raping
is a position so ridiculous I don't see how it is taken seriously.
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Racist? Maybe, but only because it is an assumption or a lie, not a fact.
http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/16615876.html
so...what're the other 2%?
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Too bad the father didn't have a gun in the first place.
the right to carry concealed changes a lot of minds. I carry a .25 caliber semi-auto concealed in a wallet, well it looks like a wallet with one hole for the trigger and one for the barrel.
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Racist? Maybe, but only because it is an assumption or a lie, not a fact.
http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/16615876.html
Again.......And, don't forget, white population 194,552,774 black population 33,947,837
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Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!.
Maybe we just need to say crime is bad, gangs are bad, murder is bad...
you're right....that IS what we need to be saying.
the problem is that it seems that the majority of these crimes are committed by black men. it also seems that they're getting younger and younger every day.
in a way, i do feel bad for black people...the honest hard working ones that is. i KNOW there are many many more than we'll ever hear about. the problem is though, that those very hard working respectable people have to live with BS brought on by the ones committing these horrible crimes. and yes, they do commit them much more often than whites do.
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Right on the money Cap....
You know, these people will call you ignorant, will call you racist...and yet...I know folks like Neil Degrasse Tyson exist, watch him every week on T.V. I don't deny this fact, don't know anyone who does. And no White person, I repeat, NO White person I have ever met would feel unsafe with him as a neighbor. I feel most of them would be glad to have a famous intellectual in their midst.
Yet these same people are in denial about the nature of millions and millions of other Blacks in this country, who are NOT people they would want to live next to. The funny thing is, most of these people DON'T live in bad Black neighborhoods if they don't have to, either. I have a sister, Christian missionary type, will NOT put up with any "racist" statements, yet her husband commutes an hour to work everyday because they moved out of their way so their kids can go to a "good, safe school". IOW, one that isn't full of poor Blacks. She told me that one reason she moved was that my eldest niece, raised to be profoundly anti-racist, was starting to pick up attitudes about Blacks she didn't like. Due to constant abuse from them, of course. So let me get this straight. You are moving them far away from lower-class Blacks so they won't develop any hostility towards lower-class Blacks? Because that would be baaaaaaaaaaad :rofl
You can criticize "racism" and "prejudice" in a White person if it is the result of ignorance and unfamiliarity. If, on the other hand, it is brought on by direct exposure, it is no longer prejudice, it is "post-judice"...and one must seriously question if it really an unreasonable reaction.
you're right....that IS what we need to be saying.
the problem is that it seems that the majority of these crimes are committed by black men. it also seems that they're getting younger and younger every day.
in a way, i do feel bad for black people...the honest hard working ones that is. i KNOW there are many many more than we'll ever hear about. the problem is though, that those very hard working respectable people have to live with BS brought on by the ones committing these horrible crimes. and yes, they do commit them much more often than whites do.
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when is the last time any White person felt uncomforable when a Japanese guy walked past them?
Strange, I don't feel uncomfortable at all when a black person walks by me. I guess that says a lot about me and quite abit about you as well.
ack-ack
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Strange, I don't feel uncomfortable at all when a black person walks by me. I guess that says a lot about me and quite abit about you as well.
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Ack:
You are good at making an insulting one-liner instead of a rational argument aren't you?
But fair warning, because the subject is something besides flying a P-38 in a video game, you are most likely straying out of your element.
What about this one?
"You know, these people will call you ignorant, will call you racist...and yet...I know folks like Neil Degrasse Tyson exist, watch him every week on T.V. I don't deny this fact, don't know anyone who does. And no White person, I repeat, NO White person I have ever met would feel unsafe with him as a neighbor. I feel most of them would be glad to have a famous intellectual in their midst."
You apologists for Black thuggery will never admit that perhaps Whites have a REASON to be uncomfortable around Blacks in certain circumstances. Nor do you seem to take into account that mainstream White America mostly LOVES a Black person who comports themselves well (Oprah, Obama, Tony Dungy, Bryant Gumble, Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell and Armstrong Williams for the Limbaugh set), so maybe the problem has nothing to do with some irrational White hatred of a certain skin tone, and every thing to do with crimes that happen everday.
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hhmm... i notice silence from the one that seemed to be defending these scumbags........ :O
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Have you all seen the infamous Pizza Parlor beating ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMIuG3HvV0Y&feature=related
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You apologists for Black thuggery will never admit that perhaps Whites have a REASON to be uncomfortable around Blacks in certain circumstances. Nor do you seem to take into account that mainstream White America mostly LOVES a Black person who comports themselves well (Oprah, Obama, Tony Dungy, Bryant Gumble, Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell and Armstrong Williams for the Limbaugh set), so maybe the problem has nothing to do with some irrational White hatred of a certain skin tone, and every thing to do with crimes that happen everday.
Black Tuggery... (or white thuggery for that matter) needs apologists? HAS apologists?
Is the issue less one of race, and more one of lawless projection of power by a tribe of criminals?
... when approached from that angle (picking the turd up from the clean end ;)) installing new bodily fluid drain holes in the criminals becomes less of a 'race' issue and more of a 'self-defense' issue when the deed is accomplished by law abiding citizens equipped with the means to defend themselves.
An armed society is a polite society.
Hang
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Well Hang, to THEM (the thugs) its a race issue, this is apparent. Not talking about this aspect won't make it go away.
If you think I wouldn't be in favor of shooting WHITE criminals who pull the same sort of crap...think again. I must say though, the difference is that I probably personally have enough ammo in my house to account for all the Whites who commit this sort of crime.
Black Tuggery... (or white thuggery for that matter) needs apologists? HAS apologists?
Is the issue less one of race, and more one of lawless projection of power by a tribe of criminals?
... when approached from that angle (picking the turd up from the clean end ;)) installing new bodily fluid drain holes in the criminals becomes less of a 'race' issue and more of a 'self-defense' issue when the deed is accomplished by law abiding citizens equipped with the means to defend themselves.
An armed society is a polite society.
Hang
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That thought never crossed my mind... and I'd react the same way.
:aok
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Well Hang, to THEM (the thugs) its a race issue, this is apparent. Not talking about this aspect won't make it go away.
If you think I wouldn't be in favor of shooting WHITE criminals who pull the same sort of crap...think again. I must say though, the difference is that I probably personally have enough ammo in my house to account for all the Whites who commit this sort of crime.
there's only one reason i'd react differently to a black man comming at me. i don't own any weapons(besides my compound bow)which is usless in these cases......so i'fd have to defend myself by fighting. thing is if a black man is comming at ya......you can rest assured that he has at least 2 friends just waiting to join in. white men when they do this bs don;t worry about that. i wouldn;t hesitate to get into it with a white guy, cause i have a fighting chance. with a black guy, i know that within a moment or 2 there'll be a bunch of em on me....kinda like what happened in the account that started this thread..........hence, if i dont have friends VERY close by.....i will bravely run away rather than get into it with a black guy. other than that, i'd react the same. if i had a gun, i'd react the same..
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i just read the snopes link.....so it's ok that instead of keeping her for days, they "only" kept her for 1 day...then they wrapped her inm trash bags and left her suffocate??????????
WTF's WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??????????????????????? THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.............
laz and all of them are right.........fkn arm the people. train them. then lets see how retarded effed up mindless scumbag cowards like these wastes of sperm react when their "victem" shoots em in the face :mad: :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious
We run into a few problems here............
Depending on what state you live in..........
IF you actually shoot them you will spend time in prison (charges of murder, or attempted murder, probably... EVEN though what they did may have been a felony, and you can do whatever it takes to prevent a felony in most states) and face lawsuit after lawsuit by their families or any of the preps that didn't die. So even if you win every case you will probably be so poor when it's over from all the attorney fees...........
You will probably also face charges of committing a HATE crime as well...........
So what do you do to protect your children?
Was a time when reacting the way the man did to protect his daughter was NORMAL and expected..............
The reasonable man thing...
You REALLY want to fix this?
Start with the Chief of Police (REMOVE from office!) then the politician, or politicians, that appointed the Chief of Police (REMOVE from office!) then the District Attorney..... any Judge that would even alow this into court unless that Judge IMMEDIATELY DISMISSEDS that case etc...
You are GETTING the Law Enforcement YOU ALLOW!
Wanna change it?
Change the politicians, law enforcement personal, judges, DA's etc....
That is the ONLY way, short of arming yourselves and going to the jail, risking an all out shooting confrontation with law enforcement and possibly later the national guard, and freeing this person, that things are going to change!
Just my opinion...
It is my opinion that this stuff will continue and probably only get worse UNTIL you and many others recognize YOU MUST get involved and actively make an effort to CHANGE things.......
Otherwise you're just talking the talk and preaching to the choir.............
SADLY :(
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Hey BnZ,
Just read Neil Degrasse Tyson's bio and accomplishments. I recognized the name from "The Universe". Wow, how can you not love this guy.:aok Too bad he's not running for president.
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Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!.
Maybe we just need to say crime is bad, gangs are bad, murder is bad...
I can agree with such..........
the color of the criminal shouldn't matter, in most cases, the crime should be what it's all about.
I suggest when pointing your finger that you point it at our politicians etc... AND
remember that when you point your finger how many are pointing back at you....
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I can agree with such..........
the color of the criminal shouldn't matter, in most cases, the crime should be what it's all about.
I suggest when pointing your finger that you point it at our politicians etc... AND
remember that when you point your finger how many are pointing back at you....WITH ILLEGAL GUNS
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Wrag, sorry to inform you but politicians, lawyers they are all in the same bed together...they
start out trying to do right, but inevitably they jump in the same bed with most of the others.
Vote out one, another comes in that is worse.
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Wrag, sorry to inform you but politicians, lawyers they are all in the same bed together...they
start out trying to do right, but inevitably they jump in the same bed with most of the others.
Vote out one, another comes in that is worse.
Then KEEP voting em out!
Try the Libertarians?
Or something BUT if you say it will do NO good to try then you, me, and everyone else is LOST already!
IMHO the problem is VERY similar to the Tammany Hall situation of years past.
EVERYTIME you vote for the PARTY (Dem or Rep) you're voting for SAMO SAMO and it's gonna only get worse.
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Bong:
Insult is the last refuge of the outargued. You have brought nothing to the discussion but the ability to toss names around. The fact is, there is tremendous hatred of Whites amongst the Black underclass, dwarfing any hatred of Blacks held by Whites in modern times. And Whites are the favored "targets of opportunity" for their thugs when available.
Funny you should mention Hispanics and Asians. In some of my business dealings, I've come to know a lot of them, especially convenience store owners, restaurateurs, and motel operators out of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India, and China. Like I said in the post about France's immigration policy, despite my misgivings about free immigration from regions known to produce terrorists, they are in fact mostly okay. They come to this country, just as different-looking as the Blacks, with even more differences in language, culture, and religion. Then they proceed to do much better than people who have been here 300 years, especially as regards rates of violent crime. And don't try to tell me that the Chinese, or the Jews, or the Hispanics, have experienced less racism than Blacks, they haven't.
The other thing about Hispanics and especially Middle Easterners/Asians is that nearly everyone of them that I know personally dislikes Blacks FAR more than myself or the average White person in general. In the words of a particular Pakistani convenience store owner "Blacks are a cancer on America." HIS words, not mine. Operating where he does, he has plenty of experience. He comes from a country with a totally different racial history than the U.S., yet he has come to this attitude in a few short years. Naturally hateful? Taught to hate Blacks in a country with no history of enslaving them and no discernable Black population? Or weary and disgusted with what he deals with everyday?
What can the reason be that so many immigrants I know are DESPERATE to save enough money to move into White neighborhoods, even lower-middle class ones? It isn't because they have any more racial/cultural commonalities with Whites than they do with Blacks. Its because even if the White guy across the street views them with suspicion or even dislike, he is still far less likely to steal/vandalize their property, murder them and rape their daughter. Hell, decent BLACKS move out of these neighborhoods if they have the means.
Like I say, it is a huge problem, and blaming it on those who AIN'T doing the murdering, robbing, and the raping
is a position so ridiculous I don't see how it is taken seriously.
I have no idea where to start. But let's give it a try.
1) When was I outargued? I haven't even argued anything!?! I stated how I see many racists around me act and made an observation. Where's the argument in that? I even put in qualifiers so as not to paint such a broad stroke with my comments.
2) This is the O'Club where tossing names without getting skuzzified appears to be the name of the game. Get over it.
3) "The fact is, there is tremendous hatred of Whites amongst the Black underclass, dwarfing any hatred of Blacks held by Whites in modern times." Where are you from? Because where I grew up the complete opposite is true. I don't even know why so many kids at my grade school were racist, we only had 2 or 3 blacks at the whole school. Yet I'd wager to say that about 1 out of 4 kids at my school hated them simply for the color of their skin; never having even spoken a word to them. The way they were raised I guess. You've painted a broad stroke with that statement and I think we'll need to see some proof because otherwise it's just sounds like your trying to explain away your racism. "they hate me (i'm sure!) so I should hate them!"
I just don't even care to get into it anymore. I've just seen your disappointingly ugly comment to ackack, who I respect for lots of reasons. good day to sir, hopefully Peter won't hold back the racists at the pearly gates for your sake.
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mt... I didn't read the sensationalized versions of the crime.. the real facts were horrific enough and change nothing.. if it had been white on black crime.. white men beating to death and then burning the body of a middle class negro.. then raping and beating and then suffocating to death his negro girlfriend.... well.. be honest.. how do you think that would have played?
Nope.. the truth is that blacks commit violent crime against whites 7 times more than the reverse. The fact is that the justice system will treat a white attacking a negro a whole lot worse.. his crime is elevated to a hate crime.. that does not happen in the reverse.
The fact is that with this happening more and more.. and the excuses that go with it.. More and more whites are getting angry.. they may not get violent but..
We will throw out the good with the bad... there are so many bad that I have just given up on any negro I do not have to be around.. I avoid any that I don't need to deal with. I am pleasantly surprised at times by some but not enough to make it worthwhile to change my ways. It is the smart thing to avoid them since the deck is stacked against whites in any conflict.
And bongeroo... You are full of crap if you think most of us don't talk to everyone the same.. I would not talk to a cowardly bunch of gangbangers like I do here but one on one? hell with em. I do know that a group of these feral animals is dangerous and it is best to avoid them or be able to use a firearm against em.
lazs
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What a silly thread!
Black vs White, allegations on BOTH sides that only lead to stupidity.
Perpatrators vs Victims...color or sexual orientation be damned!
My favorite analogy of race and sexual orientation is this:
You are in the Military...you are the Point in a Patrol...a Sniper gut shoots you...you lie writhing on the ground...
Question? Do you give a damn about the Color, or Sexual Orientation of the person who risks his or her life to aid you?
Perpetrator=Sniper Victim=You
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3) "The fact is, there is tremendous hatred of Whites amongst the Black underclass, dwarfing any hatred of Blacks held by Whites in modern times." Where are you from? Because where I grew up the complete opposite is true. I don't even know why so many kids at my grade school were racist, we only had 2 or 3 blacks at the whole school. Yet I'd wager to say that about 1 out of 4 kids at my school hated them simply for the color of their skin; never having even spoken a word to them. The way they were raised I guess. You've painted a broad stroke with that statement and I think we'll need to see some proof because otherwise it's just sounds like your trying to explain away your racism. "they hate me (i'm sure!) so I should hate them!"
DON'T NOW WHERE OU GUYS LIVE...I'M IN SOUTH JERSEY ABOUT 20 MINUTES from philly. 8 miles from camden. there's more hatred of whites by blacks in this area. in cherry hill where i have my shop, we/they get along.
at times i'd go to philly with my exgirlfriend(black) and never a single bad comment from any white people. black people onm the other hand.......harrassment is a serious understatement. same in the malls.
poor black people hate whites i think because they listen to racist drivel about how the white man keeps the black man down. don't know for sure, but i DO know i see more black racists than white ones around here.......and i despise all racists, so i'm not filtering what i see.
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Ack:
You are good at making an insulting one-liner instead of a rational argument aren't you?
But fair warning, because the subject is something besides flying a P-38 in a video game, you are most likely straying out of your element.
Oh please, if you don't like someone disagreeing with your comments, don't post them and your feelings won't be hurt.
What about this one?
"You know, these people will call you ignorant, will call you racist...and yet...I know folks like Neil Degrasse Tyson exist, watch him every week on T.V. I don't deny this fact, don't know anyone who does. And no White person, I repeat, NO White person I have ever met would feel unsafe with him as a neighbor. I feel most of them would be glad to have a famous intellectual in their midst."
You apologists for Black thuggery will never admit that perhaps Whites have a REASON to be uncomfortable around Blacks in certain circumstances. Nor do you seem to take into account that mainstream White America mostly LOVES a Black person who comports themselves well (Oprah, Obama, Tony Dungy, Bryant Gumble, Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell and Armstrong Williams for the Limbaugh set), so maybe the problem has nothing to do with some irrational White hatred of a certain skin tone, and every thing to do with crimes that happen everday.
Saying that I don't fee 'unsafe' when I walk by a black person hardly makes me an apologist for this crime. I'm just saying that I don't feel unsafe when I walk next to a black man, an Asian or anyone else of another race or ethnic backround. To me, it's not the skin that makes someone a criminal but their actions.
Do you really cross the street when you see a blackman walking your way on the same side of the sidewalk? Do you take the next elevator just because there is a black man entering the same elevator as you? Do you instinctively reach behind and touch your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there when you pass a black man on the street? Do you lock the doors in your car when you drive down the street and see a group of black men at the street corner?
ack-ack
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DON'T NOW WHERE OU GUYS LIVE...I'M IN SOUTH JERSEY ABOUT 20 MINUTES from philly. 8 miles from camden. there's more hatred of whites by blacks in this area. in cherry hill where i have my shop, we/they get along.
at times i'd go to philly with my exgirlfriend(black) and never a single bad comment from any white people. black people onm the other hand.......harrassment is a serious understatement. same in the malls.
poor black people hate whites i think because they listen to racist drivel about how the white man keeps the black man down. don't know for sure, but i DO know i see more black racists than white ones around here.......and i despise all racists, so i'm not filtering what i see.
poor whites must be doing the same then, listening to racist drivel about how the black/hispanic/asian is taking their jobs and pillaging their towns.
Racism is pretty stupid on all fronts.
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And bongeroo... You are full of crap if you think most of us don't talk to everyone the same.. I would not talk to a cowardly bunch of gangbangers like I do here but one on one? hell with em. I do know that a group of these feral animals is dangerous and it is best to avoid them or be able to use a firearm against em.
lamezs,
who is the us you are referring to? are you saying your fine being a racist on the internet but not when confronted with the issue out in the real world? maybe some ellaboration.
I know I talk the same here as I do to everyone everywhere else. Nothing to be scared of :D
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poor whites must be doing the same then, listening to racist drivel about how the black/hispanic/asian is taking their jobs and pillaging their towns.
Racism is pretty stupid on all fronts.
I know what you mean. If that Asian family next door produces one more doctor, lawyer, scientist, or engineer, I'm just gonna hafta move.
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Well I didn't say Cthulhu is scared of them did I?
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I can excuse you bongaroo since you don't know me. I talk to people the same here as in person.. maybe worse in person since it is more fun to see their face.
I would gladly talk to a group of trash gangbangers any way I wanted so long as I was armed.
You are making my point in any case.. the reason most are afraid to say what they think is because of the reprecusions that are all out of proportion.. you shouldn't get attacked and killed by 6 guys for something you say or for defending an innocent..
You shouldn't be charged with extra crime based soley on the fact that someone felt that any white on black crime should be a "hate" crime.
You should not have to walk on eggs at your job because only one race is allowed to say what they want.
Nope.. what you do.. if you have the power.. is to avoid those aholes and their "black culture".. if worse comes to worse.. you make sure that you can defend yourself tho.
lazs
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I don't know why I'm being lumped in with the "apologists". I've merely stated that racism is ignorant and defending it with more ignorance isn't helping.
I haven't said a word to defend "hate crime" laws either.
You sure do try to put a lot of words in other peoples mouths Lamez.
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hhmm... i notice silence from the one that seemed to be defending these scumbags........ :O
Try really hard to point out anything I said that "defended" the scumbags.... really hard.
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bong.. It is you who are putting the words in peoples mouth.. I did not say you were in favor of hate crimes.. I don't really know if you are or not.. why not tell us?
I said that they were one of the reasons for avoiding contact with that race whenever possible.
lazs
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What a silly thread!
Black vs White, allegations on BOTH sides that only lead to stupidity.
Perpatrators vs Victims...color or sexual orientation be damned!
My favorite analogy of race and sexual orientation is this:
You are in the Military...you are the Point in a Patrol...a Sniper gut shoots you...you lie writhing on the ground...
Question? Do you give a damn about the Color, or Sexual Orientation of the person who risks his or her life to aid you?
Perpetrator=Sniper Victim=You
no i don't. and i don't give a dam about that stuff in the thread either. the discussion has gone to who does these crimes more, and there seems to be some problem for some to accept that black men are more likely to eff someone up than white men.
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Ack: I stand by what I said. You like making a one-liner for the amusement of those in the peanut gallery. Which is fine when we are talking about something basically unimportant, like our airplane video game, but irrelevant when it comes down to a serious issue.
Statistics tell us that Blacks commit violent crime at a rate 9 times that of Whites, and that nearly 1 in 4 Black males will be convicted of a crime in their lifetime. There is no sugar coating the fact that if you take a large random cross-section of Whites, of Asians, and of Blacks, the Blacks will have more violent criminals. And thus are a worse risk. Followed by Whites, then the Asians with the fewest violent criminals of all...the stats don't lie on that matter either. (How do you liberals like THAT for White supremacism?)
Yet some suburban house-wife, who weighs 115 lbs soaking wet, who locks her car doors when passing a group of the "da boyz in da hood", is considered a horrible racist and irrational. White people who move to get out of bad neighborhoods are considered horrible racists. This is a clear sign of how backwards our thinking is becoming.
Oh BTW, since you asked...be reasonable. When I pass a Black guy who is 70 or obviously corporate lawyer or something, of course I don't feel like street crime is likely. When I've had occasion to drive through neighborhoods in Houston where there ARE violent Black criminals on the street corners, you are damned right I lock my doors AND am glad that I always have a gun in there. Even though I don't fit the "victim" profile and probably will never need the thing. I don't feel any guilt over this, I don't feel it is anymore irrational than being able to tell the difference between a rattlesnake and a coachwhip and adjusting my reactions accordingly.
Bong: Of all the children you know who "hated" Blacks, how many killed a Black person? Raped a Black person? Beat a Black person within an inch of their lives? How many of even the most "racist" Whites do you know who have ever done ANY tangible harm to any Black or other minority? You see, that is the most mind boggling thing. For race-baiting apologists and self-hating Whites, a White merely disliking Blacks is apparently as bad or worse than racially-motivated rape or murder. The very worst of them will see it as a just motive for violent crimes against Whites.
Oh please, if you don't like someone disagreeing with your comments, don't post them and your feelings won't be hurt.
Saying that I don't fee 'unsafe' when I walk by a black person hardly makes me an apologist for this crime. I'm just saying that I don't feel unsafe when I walk next to a black man, an Asian or anyone else of another race or ethnic backround. To me, it's not the skin that makes someone a criminal but their actions.
Do you really cross the street when you see a blackman walking your way on the same side of the sidewalk? Do you take the next elevator just because there is a black man entering the same elevator as you? Do you instinctively reach behind and touch your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there when you pass a black man on the street? Do you lock the doors in your car when you drive down the street and see a group of black men at the street corner?
ack-ack
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Well I didn't say Cthulhu is scared of them did I?
Dread Cthulhu's not afraid of anything.:t Hey, you never told me if Charlie Goodnight's is still there in Raleigh.
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poor whites must be doing the same then, listening to racist drivel about how the black/hispanic/asian is taking their jobs and pillaging their towns.
Racism is pretty stupid on all fronts.
yes, they are. you can tell which ones they are too, very easily. go to the mall, and look and find the white kids that dress like the black kids. thats them. they hate just as much as the black kids......but the black kids mostly hate white people...the white kids that hang with them hate everyone i think.....
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I know what you mean. If that Asian family next door produces one more doctor, lawyer, scientist, or engineer, I'm just gonna hafta move.
point.......Cthulhu
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Try really hard to point out anything I said that "defended" the scumbags.... really hard.
""it was sensationalized by white supremist groups.""
in it's own way, this is saying""it's not that bad"" a roundabout defense.
""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't,""
this is like telling the guy that just lost his leg..it's only a flesh wound..another roundabout defense.
""I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this""
not really a defense, but trying to shift into the "race card" BS. the thread started off as ""a bunch of kids beat up a father as he was trying to defend his daughter from one of them"" it just so happened they were black.
i still want to know what you think would've happened had the father been black, and the kids been white....
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Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!. ""
there was originally no finger pointing, and at least as for me and a couple others, you might look back and see mention of the fact that color, race, etc are irrelevent...and i did see one of your posts say the same i think....
gernerally, as i said before, when race comes into anything, if it's between black and white men, it's always a black man that brings it in first.
regardless of what race these kids are, they should be suffering right now...and they;re not. they fkd that girl up for life. and her dad too.
i'd be willing to bet that their violence towards him could even be considered terrorism
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...I talk to people the same here as in person.. maybe worse in person since it is more fun to see their face.
lazs
Yup. He's always been an equal opportunity instigator. :D
...prolly why I like readin his stuff so much. Makes me think... question my values... torment my pets.
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Hang
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sue the amusement park.
You are making more sense than you may know.
Back about 20 years ago or so I was part owner of a security guard company and we used to contract with these types of places.
Now back then if we agreed to secure a place and the client followed the security plan proposed, we were on the hook by way of a hold harmless if something happened, and would get sued for damages by the injured party, this was pre tort reform, I wouldn't care as much now because negligence has been narrowed to the point where the exposure is a lot more limited.
It's not really rocket science...client in Detroit, I would put together a team of big mean black dudes, downriver area we would recruit the nastiest rednecks we could find.
The problem was training these guys in the art of restraint, some of them loved their jobs too much.
I never got sued by one of the recipients of the guards attentions.
shamus
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What a silly thread!
Black vs White, allegations on BOTH sides that only lead to stupidity.
Perpatrators vs Victims...color or sexual orientation be damned!
My favorite analogy of race and sexual orientation is this:
You are in the Military...you are the Point in a Patrol...a Sniper gut shoots you...you lie writhing on the ground...
Question? Do you give a damn about the Color, or Sexual Orientation of the person who risks his or her life to aid you?
Perpetrator=Sniper Victim=You
What a silly response!
Perpetrator=Sniper? Victim=You?
What does this have to do with who comes to my aid.
In your anology sniper=gang of thungs in this case and victim=protective dad in this case.
What does Question? Do you give a damn about the Color, or Sexual Orientation of the person who risks his or her life to aid you?
have to do with that?
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""it was sensationalized by white supremist groups.""
in it's own way, this is saying""it's not that bad"" a roundabout defense.
""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't,""
this is like telling the guy that just lost his leg..it's only a flesh wound..another roundabout defense.
""I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this""
not really a defense, but trying to shift into the "race card" BS. the thread started off as ""a bunch of kids beat up a father as he was trying to defend his daughter from one of them"" it just so happened they were black.
i still want to know what you think would've happened had the father been black, and the kids been white....
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Which brings us full circle.
...and none of it is 'apologetic'. Mav's just re-directing the focus onto the actual events.. without the embellishments... and has made the point, repeatedly, that the crimes in themselves need no embellishment to qualify as horrific, or that they don't reflect on the peer groups associated with the crimes.
Hang
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Question? Do you give a damn about the Color, or Sexual Orientation of the person who risks his or her life to aid you?
Perpetrator=Sniper Victim=You
If BnZ was the victim, he'd piss his pants out of fear that the black medic coming to his aid was going to mug him.
ack-ack
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Bong: Of all the children you know who "hated" Blacks, how many killed a Black person? Raped a Black person? Beat a Black person within an inch of their lives? How many of even the most "racist" Whites do you know who have ever done ANY tangible harm to any Black or other minority? You see, that is the most mind boggling thing. For race-baiting apologists and self-hating Whites, a White merely disliking Blacks is apparently as bad or worse than racially-motivated rape or murder. The very worst of them will see it as a just motive for violent crimes against Whites.
Actually, I do know of one case. It was sad because the girl was a real sweetheart and had her prom night ruined because of some racist pig a-holes.
I think you mistake me for someone else. I am very proud of my ancestry and heritage. I spend a lot of time talking with my older relatives and writing down our history. I'm also no self-hating or apologist as you put it. I'd like to think that some day the color of your skin won't matter one bit.
You seem to be under the impression that only whites are beat up on by blacks now. Well I know for a fact that is untrue. Racism has been a problem since the beginning of written history. Simply falling into the cycle yourself will never help break it. Try and go above and beyond, I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
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Try and go above and beyond, I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
oh, puuuulllleeeezzze.
I just love it when somebody figures the religion card trumps the race card.
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oh, puuuulllleeeezzze.
I just love it when somebody figures the religion card trumps the race card.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/jesus_sitting_nra.jpg)
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(I apologize if this is offensive but I couldn't resist)
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LOL!!
I love it. Thanks for the 'wallpaper'.
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LOL!!
I love it. Thanks for the 'wallpaper'.
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:D
The actual passage (King James Version) is:
Luke 22:36
"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"
I've used that passage to great effect on religious people who were anti-gun.
IE:
- "Jesus said to turn the other cheek! He would have not approved gun ownership!"
- "Well how come he and his followers carried SWORDS then ?!?!"
- "WHAT ??!?!?!"
- "Luke 22:36 Look it up"
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Okay, that is bad.
Pertinent question 1.
Was she killed? Raped? Suffer permanent injury?
Pertinent question 2.
What year did all of this take place?
Pertinent question 3.
How many similar incidents did you witness?
Realize that if this girl was not murdered, raped, or beaten within an inch of her life, you have proven my point about how liberals equate Whites being rude or even merely disliking Blacks to Blacks committing actual violent crimes against Whites. Even with every, single, solitary incident of White-on-Black violence being played up by the media as much as possible, it simply isn't enough to cover the gap. So some jerk calling a perfectly nice Black guy a n*gg*r is made to equivalent to actual crimes against person or property.
The cognitive dissonance between the image of the Whites oppressing the Blacks, the constant portrayal of "dangerous White racists" on t.v., and what actually goes on, who actually does the violence, is appalling, and is no accident. And do you really believe ignoring the problem is helping?
BTW, don't believe in Jesus myself, but...His "turn the other cheek" does not mean what many people seem to think it means. Which is a good thing, because extreme application of that philosophy would be suicidal. His "If you do not have a sword, sell your garment and buy one." is more applicable here.
Actually, I do know of one case. It was sad because the girl was a real sweetheart and had her prom night ruined because of some racist pig a-holes.
I think you mistake me for someone else. I am very proud of my ancestry and heritage. I spend a lot of time talking with my older relatives and writing down our history. I'm also no self-hating or apologist as you put it. I'd like to think that some day the color of your skin won't matter one bit.
You seem to be under the impression that only whites are beat up on by blacks now. Well I know for a fact that is untrue. Racism has been a problem since the beginning of written history. Simply falling into the cycle yourself will never help break it. Try and go above and beyond, I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
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Ack-Ack, this sad attempt at an insult does nothing but make it very clear who is capable of carrying on a civilized discussion and who is not.
If BnZ was the victim, he'd piss his pants out of fear that the black medic coming to his aid was going to mug him.
ack-ack
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""it was sensationalized by white supremist groups.""
in it's own way, this is saying""it's not that bad"" a roundabout defense.
""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't,""
this is like telling the guy that just lost his leg..it's only a flesh wound..another roundabout defense.
""I must add here that it is funny how the repuliclowns alway scream loudest when someone "plays the race card", while so many of you do just that in threads like this""
not really a defense, but trying to shift into the "race card" BS. the thread started off as ""a bunch of kids beat up a father as he was trying to defend his daughter from one of them"" it just so happened they were black.
i still want to know what you think would've happened had the father been black, and the kids been white....
""
Which brings us full circle.
The indignance over these crimes was partially based on lies and rumors. Just like in the Duke case. Yet so many in this thread were ready to point a finger and say Blacks are bad! Seeee!!!!!. ""
there was originally no finger pointing, and at least as for me and a couple others, you might look back and see mention of the fact that color, race, etc are irrelevent...and i did see one of your posts say the same i think....
gernerally, as i said before, when race comes into anything, if it's between black and white men, it's always a black man that brings it in first.
regardless of what race these kids are, they should be suffering right now...and they;re not. they fkd that girl up for life. and her dad too.
i'd be willing to bet that their violence towards him could even be considered terrorism
This post does nothing more than call you reading comprehension into question.
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...and none of it is 'apologetic'. Mav's just re-directing the focus onto the actual events.. without the embellishments... and has made the point, repeatedly, that the crimes in themselves need no embellishment to qualify as horrific, or that they don't reflect on the peer groups associated with the crimes.
Hang
Same point I was making all along. Yet they were embellished. That is a fact.
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LMFAO MT never disappoints.
Wonder if he has a red bow tie?
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Yup.
Always a ball crucifying the message bearer. I believe it was policy some years back... had the value-added benefit of keeping the number of folks in diplomatic service down too.
;)
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Okay, that is bad.
Pertinent question 1.
Was she killed? Raped? Suffer permanent injury?
Pertinent question 2.
What year did all of this take place?
Pertinent question 3.
How many similar incidents did you witness?
Realize that if this girl was not murdered, raped, or beaten within an inch of her life, you have proven my point about how liberals equate Whites being rude or even merely disliking Blacks to Blacks committing actual violent crimes against Whites. Even with every, single, solitary incident of White-on-Black violence being played up by the media as much as possible, it simply isn't enough to cover the gap. So some jerk calling a perfectly nice Black guy a n*gg*r is made to equivalent to actual crimes against person or property.
The cognitive dissonance between the image of the Whites oppressing the Blacks, the constant portrayal of "dangerous White racists" on t.v., and what actually goes on, who actually does the violence, is appalling, and is no accident. And do you really believe ignoring the problem is helping?
BTW, don't believe in Jesus myself, but...His "turn the other cheek" does not mean what many people seem to think it means. Which is a good thing, because extreme application of that philosophy would be suicidal. His "If you do not have a sword, sell your garment and buy one." is more applicable here.
She still has a few scars and last I talked to her a few years ago some nightmares about it to this day. I'm tired of this argument with you. Obviously nothing will shift your passionate belief that the black man is out to kill and rape you and that a white man has never done the same evils.
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This post does nothing more than call you reading comprehension into question.
ok..i'll try to clear it up for ya then pal,
""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't,""
this is one of your earlier statements.
it is virtually irrelevent if or not anyone is trying to sensationalize anything. the fact is tht these monstrosities, wastes of human sperm, that are an argument in favor of birth control, DID in fact kill the boyfriend, and DID in fact torture him first.
they then proceeded to keep HER and torture HER for at least a day, before they killed her. and not only that, but they killed her saditicly, AFTER torturing her for a day.
so, one of the very first things you come up with, is that no they didn't keep her for days, but rather they only kept her for a day. like that makes things better???? so what i gather from your responses, was that the very first thing you thought was white people trying to hang the black people out to dry, although you did at least agree that they should be punished. i kind of wonder if you agree that they should die(slowly and painfully) or you think they should continue to pollute our air and be imprisoned?
what friggin difference is it if they kept her for 1 day or 3 days? she was probably terrified the entire time(presuming she was consious) annnd.........the color of the perps and the color of the victems is irrelevent too. well...it should be anyway.
facts are facts. the majority of violent crimes in the US are commited by black men. that i believe is against white and black people. no black woman is afraid when she walks past a white man. or a group of white teens(unles they hang out with blacks.) i know several black people that agree with this. one walked in on me today in the front ofice of the shop. i let him read through the posts. he was disgusted with the bahaviour of the scumbags. i do TRUELY feel sorry for all of the good hard working black people(and there are plenty of them i know) in the country that live under that shadow. but another fact is, that only they can put a stop to this too. nothing aany white man can do will help them, as some black gangbanger will convince the kids that the white man is only trying to keep them down.
i'm tired.......g'night.......
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LMFAO MT never disappoints.
Wonder if he has a red bow tie?
the shame of it is that he REALLY doesn't seem to get it. i could be wrong........
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Obviously nothing will shift your passionate belief that the black man is out to kill and rape you and that a white man has never done the same evils.
Nope, you however fail to see the double standard in the reporting. Let any number of white guys do this to any minority group and watch what happens. You'll have members of the US senate/ house of reps commenting on it. Yet when a minority group does it....... silence.
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Nope, you however fail to see the double standard in the reporting. Let any number of white guys do this to any minority group and watch what happens. You'll have members of the US senate/ house of reps commenting on it. Yet when a minority group does it....... silence.
hey....remember a couple months ago, the video of the philly cops beating up on the poor innocent black guys?
think it would've made the news like that if they were black cops beating on whit guys?
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ok..i'll try to clear it up for ya then pal,
""you sensationalize it by claiming things that did not happen, like the girl was held for "days", she wasn't,""
this is one of your earlier statements.
it is virtually irrelevent if or not anyone is trying to sensationalize anything. the fact is tht these monstrosities, wastes of human sperm, that are an argument in favor of birth control, DID in fact kill the boyfriend, and DID in fact torture him first.
they then proceeded to keep HER and torture HER for at least a day, before they killed her. and not only that, but they killed her saditicly, AFTER torturing her for a day.
so, one of the very first things you come up with, is that no they didn't keep her for days, but rather they only kept her for a day. like that makes things better???? so what i gather from your responses, was that the very first thing you thought was white people trying to hang the black people out to dry, although you did at least agree that they should be punished. i kind of wonder if you agree that they should die(slowly and painfully) or you think they should continue to pollute our air and be imprisoned?
what friggin difference is it if they kept her for 1 day or 3 days? she was probably terrified the entire time(presuming she was consious) annnd.........the color of the perps and the color of the victems is irrelevent too. well...it should be anyway.
facts are facts. the majority of violent crimes in the US are commited by black men. that i believe is against white and black people. no black woman is afraid when she walks past a white man. or a group of white teens(unles they hang out with blacks.) i know several black people that agree with this. one walked in on me today in the front ofice of the shop. i let him read through the posts. he was disgusted with the bahaviour of the scumbags. i do TRUELY feel sorry for all of the good hard working black people(and there are plenty of them i know) in the country that live under that shadow. but another fact is, that only they can put a stop to this too. nothing aany white man can do will help them, as some black gangbanger will convince the kids that the white man is only trying to keep them down.
i'm tired.......g'night.......
Who said it made things better? Who said one day was OK, but many days was not? Who said not mutilating the bodies made the crime a good thing? Try to think before the blood runs into your eyeballs man. I was asked HOW the crime was sensationalized. I gave the facts. Nothing more nothing less.
They were horrific crimes. The perps need to be punished to the full extent of the law.
Now all that being agreed upon, WHY would a white supremist group embellish the crimes?
Why would anyone feel the need to add lies to the already horrific things that were done to this poor couple?
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Who said it made things better? Who said one day was OK, but many days was not? Who said not mutilating the bodies made the crime a good thing? Try to think before the blood runs into your eyeballs man. I was asked HOW the crime was sensationalized. I gave the facts. Nothing more nothing less.
They were horrific crimes. The perps need to be punished to the full extent of the law.
Now all that being agreed upon, WHY would a white supremist group embellish the crimes?
Why would anyone feel the need to add lies to the already horrific things that were done to this poor couple?
Horrific crime, but it wasn't covered up, and it was sensationalized by white supremist groups. I learned this from your links.
you were asked that question because of the above statement.
the above statement is actaullly irrelevent to the topic. it should never have come up(at least not in this topic). in so doing, you fueled the fire on the racial part of this thread.
there was/is no good reason for them to sensationalize it. but then, you cannot honestly tell me that black supremist groups don't jump on things like this when it's white guys, can ya? and when that happens, it's ok, because as soon as a white man disagrees with a black man, he's a hate mongering racist.(which i suspect you may feel about me), although that's probably not true. remember the philly vid from a month or so ago? i believe that somone was trying to say that those fine young gentlemen in that car were offering no resistance, although it was very obvious in the video, that 2 of the 3 did.
i'm really lovin the double standards. i think i have it now. black power=OK. white power= not OK. or maybe if people could get over this stupid chit, we could improve things.
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Uh oh... the card has been dealt...
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mt.. you are intentionally ignoring the fact that the crimes were horrific and beyond anything that we would call civilized.. that it is common for one racial group to do this kind of crime.. that they do it in numbers (depending on source) of 7-9 times more than those types of crimes are done against them.
There is something wrong and it is not that sometimes the crimes are sensationalized or that sometimes they are covered up in the interest of PC bs... It is that a culture has developed in one race that it is considered OK for such acts to be committed.
It is so lopsided that any negro leader who does not address it is part of the problem and will be the cause of it's growth and eventual catastrophic consequenses.. I believe that just like Americans in general.. the white race is being underestimated here.. we will take a lot but at some point.... well... those african warlords are pikers when it comes to real slaughter compared to a determined white guy.
lazs
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Uh oh... the card has been dealt...
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you're late dude...it was dealt 8 or 9 pages ago :noid :D
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hey....remember a couple months ago, the video of the philly cops beating up on the poor innocent black guys?
think it would've made the news like that if they were black cops beating on whit guys?
Much like rodney king beating, most of the context was left out of the video. Like in the Rodney King video, most people never saw that he attacked, and beat up a few cops before being taken down.
Like in the Philly video, those men who were beaten were seen by the cops shooting someone. Not suspects of something, but were actually see by policement shooting another person. Upon non-cooperation they were beaten.
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Much like rodney king beating, most of the context was left out of the video. Like in the Rodney King video, most people never saw that he attacked, and beat up a few cops before being taken down.
Like in the Philly video, those men who were beaten were seen by the cops shooting someone. Not suspects of something, but were actually see by policement shooting another person. Upon non-cooperation they were beaten.
And much like any police beating of anyone they were uncalled for. A subdued perp is no longer a threat and all police are and should be trained about escalating force. If the man is in cuffs or face down on the ground beating him is the police officer attempting to deal out a punishment, which is not his job and is infact illegal and immoral.
We've had this convo many a times before and all the LEOs on here will tell you all about it. A cop beating anyone like the cases you've mentioned after they are subdued is disgusting.
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And much like any police beating of anyone they were uncalled for. A subdued perp is no longer a threat and all police are and should be trained about escalating force. If the man is in cuffs or face down on the ground beating him is the police officer attempting to deal out a punishment, which is not his job and is infact illegal and immoral.
We've had this convo many a times before and all the LEOs on here will tell you all about it. A cop beating anyone like the cases you've mentioned after they are subdued is disgusting.
But they weren't subdued, they were fighting back. All of them.
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mt.. you are intentionally ignoring the fact that the crimes were horrific and beyond anything that we would call civilized.. lazs
I'm ignoring it by stating "They were horrific crimes."?
lol... you always make me laugh Lazs.
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And much like any police beating of anyone they were uncalled for. A subdued perp is no longer a threat and all police are and should be trained about escalating force. If the man is in cuffs or face down on the ground beating him is the police officer attempting to deal out a punishment, which is not his job and is infact illegal and immoral.
We've had this convo many a times before and all the LEOs on here will tell you all about it. A cop beating anyone like the cases you've mentioned after they are subdued is disgusting.
actually once they were subdued, the police stopped...but in the video, you can see that al but the guy on the far side of the car are trying to kick, or get up and run........
and yes, it is disgusting. my point in bringing up that vid was to imagine it with the roles reversed...white perps, and black cops beating them. i'd be willing to bet that that would never have made the news.
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mt.. I doubt that I am always making you laugh since you quote only the first part of what I said. I doubt that the rest makes you laugh or that you really want to respond.
Given your angola as place doing well line tho.. I can see why. all that oil and gems and.. an average income of about $700 a year.. and all those feral people running around.. hardly "doing well" in my book.
For whatever reason.. we have a problem here. Those who would be so PC as to not look at the problem are making it worse.. you simply can't say that the violence and homicide rate of one race is not a very important stat.. that the black on white ratio of 7-9 times as much violence as the reverse is not a horrific stat.
If anyone is being picked on and discriminated against it is the innocents being attacked. And.. not getting equal justice under the law.. this will not be a "hate crime" even tho it should more than qualify if we were truly color blind. Do you agree with this last part at least?
lazs
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How many here watch 'The First 48'?
Is this a racist show or a fact of life?
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How many here watch 'The First 48'?
Is this a racist show or a fact of life?
never watched it, but isn't that supposed to be about how the go about mruder investigations or something like that?
if it is, how could it possibly be racist?
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It seems that there is an awful lot of black and hispanic perps.
Does the show show a realistic ratio of black/hispanics to whites committing murder or are the black/hispanics being singled out?
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I watch that show. They had one episode and they were out in Vegas. The suspect was a white guy and the detective actually said to his partner, "Been awhile since we had a white guy as a suspect huh?" The most wanted photos on the wall in their office had like 40 pictures on it, mostly black and hispanic, with a couple of white people in there. That's REALITY TV there, inside an actual police dept homicide unit, working murder cases.
Take it for what it's worth but if you watch that show they always show the most wanted boards in the depts. Take a close look and decide for yourself.
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She still has a few scars and last I talked to her a few years ago some nightmares about it to this day. I'm tired of this argument with you. Obviously nothing will shift your passionate belief that the black man is out to kill and rape you and that a white man has never done the same evils.
Well, that is quite awful. I would be in favor of hanging any group of males who severly beats a young girl. I don't like a white SOBs any better. There's just fewer of them. I don't know whether this happened 30 years ago or yesterday...makes a difference, I must deal with what the situation is TODAY, not what it was in the '60s or somethng. The fact remains that if this was done today,it would be called a "hate crime", attention and extra moral outrage would be heaped upon the perpetrators, while a similar crime by a group of Blacks would not be.
My "belief" is not something I got out of the Bible or something. Its based on crime statistics. Choices in life mostly involve probabilities, not certainties. Most people understand the odds are why they aren't likely to get rich betting in Vegas, but you apply the EXACT same logic to this particular issue, and they become illogical.
BTW, just because I think Blacks produce alot of criminals, doesn't mean I don't think cops/authority are way out of control in this country. They are. Mix the two problems, and you get really nasty situations.
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I don't pretend to know why but it is simply a fact that one minority race commits more than half of the homicides and violent crime in this country.. I deal with the reality. this sort of thing is a part of the "black culture" that I despise.
It is really the teachings right out of gangster rap... Why is anyone surprised? It is the result of white guilt excusing and pretending they didn't see...
you in other countries who say we don't need guns.. this is the reason.. these are the animals we have here. When you talk about how "diverse" you are.. I ask you.. How many of these feral aholes have you got?
lazs
Unfortunately, similar stuff happens all over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Donald
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mt.. I doubt that I am always making you laugh since you quote only the first part of what I said. I doubt that the rest makes you laugh or that you really want to respond.
Given your angola as place doing well line tho.. I can see why. all that oil and gems and.. an average income of about $700 a year.. and all those feral people running around.. hardly "doing well" in my book.
For whatever reason.. we have a problem here. Those who would be so PC as to not look at the problem are making it worse.. you simply can't say that the violence and homicide rate of one race is not a very important stat.. that the black on white ratio of 7-9 times as much violence as the reverse is not a horrific stat.
If anyone is being picked on and discriminated against it is the innocents being attacked. And.. not getting equal justice under the law.. this will not be a "hate crime" even tho it should more than qualify if we were truly color blind. Do you agree with this last part at least?
lazs
No, you always make me laugh. And I answer select parts of your posts, just like you answer select parts of mine. <shrugs> Samo samo.
Where you leave the realm of reason lazs is when you cite a statistic and conclude on the causal relationship. More blacks commit crime, so we must conclude that crime is caused by blackness. More purses are stolen by right handed purse snatchers, so right handedness causes purse snatching. Most gun threads contain a lazs post so lazs causes all gun threads....
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No, you always make me laugh. And I answer select parts of your posts, just like you answer select parts of mine. <shrugs> Samo samo.
Where you leave the realm of reason lazs is when you cite a statistic and conclude on the causal relationship. More blacks commit crime, so we must conclude that crime is caused by blackness. More purses are stolen by right handed purse snatchers, so right handedness causes purse snatching. Most gun threads contain a lazs post so lazs causes all gun threads....
Crime is caused by blackness.... yup.
Stop wigging.... and look at black urban culture. Hell, there's even white kid 'thugs' that look, act, talk and emulate EVERY detail of 'blackness'... it's a culture. Life in the urban jungle.
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Crime is caused by blackness.... yup.
Hell, there's even white kid 'thugs' that look, act, talk and emulate EVERY detail of 'blackness'... it's a culture. Life in the urban jungle.
WTG! i think i tried saying this in an earlier post, but i also think it didn't come across as clearly as you put it here.
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Poor Chicago.....and look whos behind the crime!!!!!!
http://www.nbc5.com/news/16901117/detail.html
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Please MT.. spare me... If most purse snatchings are done by right handed people (per capita) then I guess you could conclude that there is something about being right handed that makes you more likely to snatch purses.
But this is much worse. this is an absurdly lopsided fact of black on white violence.. most of it heinous and downright hateful.. of 7-9 times more than the reverse.. to conclude anything but that there is a racial content to it is beyond any sort of reason.
What the cause of this racial imbalance is.. I couldn't say.. I could guess.. I would guess it is the entire "black culture" thing and the welfare state and such but... who knows?
It is enough to simply look with your own eyes and realize that you are 7-9 times more likely to have that negro guy attack you than the reverse.
It is enough to know that a small percent of the population... by race.. commits the lions share of the really evil violent stuff.
lazs
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No, you always make me laugh. And I answer select parts of your posts, just like you answer select parts of mine. <shrugs> Samo samo.
Where you leave the realm of reason lazs is when you cite a statistic and conclude on the causal relationship. More blacks commit crime, so we must conclude that crime is caused by blackness. More purses are stolen by right handed purse snatchers, so right handedness causes purse snatching. Most gun threads contain a lazs post so lazs causes all gun threads....
If by 'Blackness' you mean a typical Black upbringing, typical Black values, education, mindset, and psychology, then yes, there is a causal link.
Plenty of ethnic groups have been marginalized in this country. Starting with the Native Americans and moving on to the Chinese, Irish, Italians, Jews and Japanese... And yet, oddly enough, none of the aforementioned groups, if found in high concentration, tend to drive down real estate prices.
We all know that Blacks are special... It's an unwritten rule of public behavior to treat them like as such. You just can't accept that they are special iin an undesirable way.
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Please MT.. spare me... If most purse snatchings are done by right handed people (per capita) then I guess you could conclude that there is something about being right handed that makes you more likely to snatch purses.
lazs
And of course you would be wrong.
Why do you think the average income of a black man is less than that of a white man with equal education and experience?
The real point is that there are factors other than race or even culture that lead to the things that you see and I see happening every day. Maybe when we all realize this and try to fix it we will achieve the goal of white people killing just as many blacks as blacks kill whites.... Oh wait, maybe we have already been there.
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Maybe when we all realize this and try to fix it we will achieve the goal of white people killing just as many blacks as blacks kill whites.... Oh wait, maybe we have already been there.
This will be quite an achievement indeed if the number of white murder victims decreases to achieve parity... Chances are, however, that if it doesn't happen in the next few decades, the backlash to the ongoing double standard will cause parity to be achieved through other means--the kind that you're probably referencing.
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So Mt.. you are saying that you know the reasons that negros act like ferral animals with gang beatings and horrific violence against whites and themselves at such a high rate?
At least I am honest and say I don't know.. you come up with some bs reason that has no basis in any kind of fact I can see...
Why is it that when negros in the first half of the century were the poorest they had a much lower per capita crime rate?
The right handed left handed purse snatcher thing is silly but.. if right handed people were 100 times more likely to snatch a purse PER CAPITA than left handed... you would be pretty darn silly to not say that right handedness was a pretty good indicator of the possibility of being a purse snatcher compared to left handed in a random sampling.
It would be wise to hold a purse tighter in a crowd of right handers that in a crowd of left handers.
lazs
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Why do you think the average income of a black man is less than that of a white man with equal education and experience?
Link? Data to support?
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More purses are stolen by right handed purse snatchers, so right handedness causes purse snatching.
you got it backwards. It is expected that most purse snatching will be done by right handed people, since there is more of them. Just like you would expect most crimes to be perpetrated by a white people (since there is more of them than blacks).
In reality the opposite is true, so it is very reasonable to question/investigate a possible causality.
Your example should be:
"More purses are stolen by LEFT handed purse snatchers, so LEFT handedness can possibly cause purse snatching."
It is unreasonable and irresponsible to outright dismiss a possibility of a causal like, like you do.
Also, it would be perfectly reasonable for the cops to concentrate the searches on LEFT handed people.
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Never mind.
Lazs posted while I was typing.
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Link? Data to support?
here you go.
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1000157
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mt.. how would you explain that in the past when negros were much poorer per capita that they were not even worse than they are today?
Seems that poverty would not explain it all now does it?
lazs
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And of course you would be wrong.
Why do you think the average income of a black man is less than that of a white man with equal education and experience?
that answer is fairly simple...and has been mentioned before in this thread.
there is a large culture of crime in younger blacks. since the majority of younger blacks commit the majority of the violent crimes, we come back to the good hard working black men and women. those unlucky men and women have to live in the shadow of the ""thugs""
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here you go.
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1000157
You ever take a course on Statistics? That chart doesn't accurately back up your statement in any significant way. That shows "per capita" the average. Seeing as there are over 200,000 whites in there with just over 36,000 blacks of course the average is going to be higher for whites because your dealing with a much larger number for whites to start with.
I had this same discussion with a black guy I worked with in the Coast Guard. He was saying all the same things. When I pointed out to him that since we were both ET's with the same training and background, how could I as a white man make more money than him as a black man when he was a Chief and I was a 1st Class. Mind you he was in the class ahead of me in A school so the training we had was the same, the experiance we had was pretty much the same. We both retired about the same time and the last I heard he was working for Raytheon, and he probably still makes more money than I do.
Anyway like I said, your link doesn't back up your statement that a white person makes more money than a black person.
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You ever take a course on Statistics? That chart doesn't accurately back up your statement in any significant way. That shows "per capita" the average. Seeing as there are over 200,000 whites in there with just over 36,000 blacks of course the average is going to be higher for whites because your dealing with a much larger number for whites to start with.
I'm not gonna get into it, but that paragraph right there is pretty funny.
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here you go.
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1000157
MT, I'm willing to consider your argument but couldn't find the part where:
the average income of a black man is less than that of a white man with equal education and experience?
In the pages you linked, I couldn't find anything that referred to education and experience. Will you please help me with this?
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Tried to Google the subject of wage differences between black and white people of equal experience and education. Many of the articles required a subscription to read, but here is one link which may be informative for those with the time to read it. It focuses on student performance and an educational achievement gap.
http://lsc-net.terc.edu/do.cfm/paper/8108/show/use_set-l_equity (http://lsc-net.terc.edu/do.cfm/paper/8108/show/use_set-l_equity)
I found and then lost a link to a good article discussing the wage gap. There is a wage gap in earnings, but it is attributable to a number of factors with different schools of thought as to how to equalize things, along with ideas concerning the causes of inequality. It mentioned the gap is becoming narrower over time, with education being the primary factor involved to equalize the wage gap. The article states education and experience being equal, the amount of time at work is one of the reasons for wage disparity. It explores possible reasons for this.
There are a number of sites which discuss the wage gap. Some of them are subscription sites, but there is no argument about a wage gap in any of the sites I found. There is a lot of discussion as to why the gap exists however.
Les