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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Sunka on July 16, 2008, 01:02:22 AM
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What is it with 190's lately,I used to always have no problem with em but the past 3 days im in a pony their catching me on deck at co alt and my gas is low,It is out climbing me co alt,and even out turning me ...and i know how to turn a pony well.Can anyone give me some quick stats? as all i have gotten killed by for two days is 190,and im getting upset about it lol,well frustrated.I never had a problem with the 190 before should it be able to do all this?Thank anyone that can help me :salute :furious
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For basic performance comparison, go here: http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p51d&p2=190d9
You will see that the 190D is indeed a bit faster than the Pony down low, and it's a much better climber for sure. And watch that turn chart - when both planes have flaps fully deployed the 190D may have even a very slight advantage in turn radius. Though I would still consider the Pony the "better" turner because it's pilot can start to deploy flaps at much higher speeds. But against a Dora pilot who knows how to utilize his advantage in acceleration, climb & roll rate you may find yourself in trouble.
Another word about the top speeds in general: Often players are too fixated on the absolute numbers when looking at the charts or diagrams. Always keep in mind that those speeds were reached under controlled and identical circumstances. In the virtual reality in the arenas that's rarely the case. E states do usually differ, loadout choices may affect maximum speeds and pilot skill has it's influence in matters of speed & acceleration as well. Just because your plane X is 10 mph faster than enemy's plane Y, it's not guaranteed you can outrun him every time
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So basically its a real uber fighter in the right hands, and a pony against a 190 the pony may be in trouble no matter what you do if the 190 stick knows his bird....urggg i was looking for a do this or do that lol.Well thank you lusche your always a big help :salute
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So basically its a real uber fighter in the right hands, and a pony against a 190 the pony may be in trouble no matter what you do if the 190 stick knows his bird....urggg i was looking for a do this or do that lol.Well thank you lusche your always a big help :salute
Well if you are wondering what to do with a D9 crawling up your six, I can offer a couple of things. I'm not sure what your after here, though.
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Well if you are wondering what to do with a D9 crawling up your six, I can offer a couple of things. I'm not sure what your after here, though.
Im looking for any tactics to help with a 190.Yes one on my six is the problem :pray
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So basically its a real uber fighter in the right hands, and a pony against a 190 the pony may be in trouble no matter what you do if the 190 stick knows his bird.
Well that's maybe a bit to drastically worded. If both pilots are on a similar skill level and "know what there doing" (at least a bit ;) ) it can be a very interesting fight - It's by no means sure that the 190 will win, absolutely not. Stay agressive! Don't try to just run or climb away.
But I'm just a numbercruncher, and merely qualified to teach the running part.
I'd suggest you wing up with Steve to actually see how it's really done.
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Im looking for any tactics to help with a 190.Yes one on my six is the problem :pray
Well, if he has more E, the best place to have him is right on your 6. A d9 won't slow down as well as a 51. Put yourself in the shallowest of climbs. Wait til right before he gets to 600(he'll start to think about firing then). Then break left(the 51 turns better to the left). Have your combat trim off. Don't break flat, break down some to challenge his gun solution attempt.. throttle chopped and one notch. Watch him on your 6. If he tries for a solution, pull through the turn until you see he is swinging a wider turn, keep throttle chopped and break back into him. He's again going to think he has a gun solution and he will keep turning into you. Again, nose down to get under his solution. A very good d9 pilot may have a snap shot here.(don't worry, there's very few).
The instant he passes right over you break back hard left while punching WEP. He will probably break back right and be right in front of you. (BOOM)
If he goes up, judge if you have the E to get your guns on him(you probably will) and go get him. If he goes basically straight up, pull in the flaps.
If he goes up and over, keep the flaps out and lead turn him. You'll be inverted by the time you get a solution and he will be defensive. His instinct will be to nose down. Now you've either got a kill or a runner.
An example of breaking back into the plane is in the film in the link below. You'll see in this case I'm in a dive but not really trying to get away. In fact, I slow down to let the bad guy catch me quicker.
At the 1:30 mark of the film slow it down to about 33% and see what happens. Notice I'm at two notches of flaps.
Then watch the film again from BBaw's view. again at 33% speed from about 1:25 in. Notice on the breakback I foil his gun solution by going under his nose. You can really see this from BBaw's view, external view.
These moves may seem aggressive from the defensive position... they are. A lot of people don't expect a 51 to fight. Use this, go after them.
BBaw is a very experienced pilot and you saw how this worked. It takes some practice... but you can see the results.
http://www.mediafire.com/?r1tupeym2n4
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Thank you very much Steve :rock :salute
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Thank you very much Steve :rock :salute
Any time. :)
I hope the film shows you how important that little nose down in the breaks is. If you break level, you are going to give up a snapper at each cross.
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51 have the advantage if they both are at 300 knts +, but as you slow the 51 down. The d9 will be able to dance all over the 51, but again it's depend on the pilots. 51 vs d9 is a pretty even fight.
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51 have the advantage if they both are at 300 knts +, but as you slow the 51 down. The d9 will be able to dance all over the 51, but again it's depend on the pilots. 51 vs d9 is a pretty even fight.
you'll have to show me this some time Yenny, every 190D i've ever encounted fast or slow has been taken apart by my Pony.
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51 have the advantage if they both are at 300 knts +, but as you slow the 51 down. The d9 will be able to dance all over the 51, but again it's depend on the pilots. 51 vs d9 is a pretty even fight.
No offence but you are incorrect, the pony has every advantage but acceleration and roll rate at slow speed v a dora, any horizontal fight should end in the ponys lap, especially with flaps out.
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http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/evarevall.zip
Download the package, watch the films, see how murdr does it.
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you'll have to show me this some time Yenny, every 190D i've ever encounted fast or slow has been taken apart by my Pony.
Correct, at high speed them pony flaps will tears a D9 up in a heart beat if the pony pilot knows how to use it. Even if the D9 started out on the pony's six. Once we get down low and slow, about 150-200 knts it's pretty even. If both started at that E state. The hard part is getting D9 and 51 down to that slow speed though. The fight usually end where the 51 keep its E up. Them high speed flaps make reversal so much easier =/.
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P-51D is the better plane in the Co-E dogfight. And that is a good thing, because it is nice that our AHII Pony to be able to whip SOMETHING in a Co-E dogfight. :furious
On the other hand, lots of indifferent to bad pilots are flying the pony. So here is what you do. Get some alt. Find a P-51 who is "run-stanging" from the general crowd. Remember, if he is run-stanging from a D-9, he just don't know. As you run him down, use hi-yo yos and lag rolls to stay in trail. You must see the situations and use these maneuvers at the right time BEFORE you overshoot. And DO NOT EVEN THINK about taking a shot on the first break turn or three. The way you get a decent shot at him is maintaining a decent energy advantage (which DOES NOT mean closing 200mph faster...more like 50), keeping pressure and working him until he is slow. Remember, the primary factor of difficulty in a snapshot, as opposed to a tracking shot, is how fast he is moving through your glass, not the angle.
Now, if he as any alt to trade for speed, he will keep doing that to defeat your attempt to bleed his E. Thus, if he has a clue, you will probably have to work him to the deck to kill him. If it becomes obvious that this will involve being drug under all his friends, break off, its not worth it.
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Correct, at high speed them pony flaps will tears a D9 up in a heart beat if the pony pilot knows how to use it. Even if the D9 started out on the pony's six. Once we get down low and slow, about 150-200 knts it's pretty even. If both started at that E state. The hard part is getting D9 and 51 down to that slow speed though. The fight usually end where the 51 keep its E up. Them high speed flaps make reversal so much easier =/.
At high speed the d9 roll rate trumps flaps. There are a lot of misinformed people in the MA. In a Co-E dogfight, the D9 holds more cards. In a 1v1 Co-E fight, the 51's best option is to get it as slow as possible where the advantage of the flaps will become more pronounced. In a high speed fight, with pilots being equal, the d9 has the advantage.
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No offence but you are incorrect, the pony has every advantage but acceleration and roll rate at slow speed v a dora, any horizontal fight should end in the ponys lap, especially with flaps out.
This is wrong as well. The dora dives just as well, climbs better, is more lethal, is tougher.
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you'll have to show me this some time Yenny, every 190D i've ever encounted fast or slow has been taken apart by my Pony.
Bruv, I suspect this is more about the pilot than the planes, no offense. A fast D9 has some significant advantages of the pony at speed.
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51 have the advantage if they both are at 300 knts +, but as you slow the 51 down. The d9 will be able to dance all over the 51,
This is completely backwards. Just plain wrong.
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51 have the advantage if they both are at 300 knts +, but as you slow the 51 down. The d9 will be able to dance all over the 51, but again it's depend on the pilots. 51 vs d9 is a pretty even fight.
you gotta not run away first of all. It has nothing to do with the plane, it is the person in control of the plane. :D
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This is wrong as well. The dora dives just as well, climbs better, is more lethal, is tougher.
sorry i guess i wasnt clear i met on the deck where the dora cant dive out, the lethality canbe argued both ways because its easier to hit with 6 50s than a 20mm in some casses and as for the climbing that is true ;)
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sorry i guess i wasnt clear i met on the deck where the dora cant dive out, the lethality canbe argued both ways because its easier to hit with 6 50s than a 20mm in some casses and as for the climbing that is true ;)
You are right that the 50's clearly have better ballistics. :aok
I was referring to a close in knife fight and snap shots. There, it is my opinion that the D9 cannon give it the edge in lethality.
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You are right that the 50's clearly have better ballistics. :aok
I was referring to a close in knife fight and snap shots. There, it is my opinion that the D9 cannon give it the edge in lethality.
definatly :)
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You are right that the 50's clearly have better ballistics. :aok
I was referring to a close in knife fight and snap shots. There, it is my opinion that the D9 cannon give it the edge in lethality.
It is not so much the Pony's guns that give it an edge in shooting IMO, it is the view out the front.
The Dora has alot of nose blocking view during a tracking shot and alot of frames blocking views for any kind of out-of-plane snapshot. A plane where you absolutely NEED to be able to make out-of-plane snapshots alot, and they are made a magnitude of difficulty tougher by the views. :D
Oh...and the P-51 will always catch a diving Dora. Picks up speed quicker in dives, retains E like nobodies business. By diving even slightly, a P-51 with a little alt can run away from a Dora for a loooooooooooooooooooong time too.
If you have a P-51 diving on our six in a Dora, hopefully you are fast and have the alt to get faster. Your game is using the D-9's roll rate and the fact that it bleeds E faster in a downward spiral to force him to overshoot, or do something that makes him loose enough closure that your engine power will allow you accelerate and extend away. The Pony's game will be to manage his E state just right, so he doesn't overshoot OR let you off the hook.
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Oh...and the P-51 will always catch a diving Dora.
This is simply incorrect, assuming the E states are nearly the same.
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This is simply incorrect, assuming the E states are nearly the same.
agreed dora def has this one in the bag.
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This is simply incorrect, assuming the E states are nearly the same.
*shrug* In my experience with Ponys and Doras, I disagree. Easy enough to test I suppose. But the question of whether these were really Co-E experiences is open I suppose.
From a max velocity dive, I think once both planes are on the deck and level out, the P-51D will retain the extra speed long enough to begin pinging the dora.
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Just did a test that explains it gentlemen.
With no drop tank rack, the Dora does run 375 on the deck on WEP.
However, with the rack in tow, the top deck speed is reduced to 369. And owing to the shorter legs on the D-9 on internal with MA fuel burns, I and I imagine most others usually carry the drop.
The P-51 is modeled with the drop tank pylons whether you carry them or not, and always runs 368 on the deck on WEP.
Therefore, a diving pony can should be able to make up quite abit of distance on a diving Dora with its greater E retention, under these conditions, once both level out, and this is why it seems like forever chasing a Pony sometimes in a Dora. You have to run them out of WEP before you have a speed advantage.
I have also noticed that a P-51 seems to pick up speed quicker with the nose down. I never run into compressibility problems even in exended dives with a closed throttle in the D9. I have in the P-51, (and the P-47, for that matter) and developed the habit of dropping a notch of flaps as speed-brakes when nessecary.
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Just did a test that explains it gentlemen.
With no drop tank rack, the Dora does run 375 on the deck on WEP.
However, with the rack in tow, the top deck speed is reduced to 369. And owing to the shorter legs on the D-9 on internal with MA fuel burns, I and I imagine most others usually carry the drop.
The P-51 is modeled with the drop tank pylons whether you carry them or not, and always runs 368 on the deck on WEP.
Therefore, a diving pony can should be able to make up quite abit of distance on a diving Dora with its greater E retention, under these conditions, once both level out, and this is why it seems like forever chasing a Pony sometimes in a Dora. You have to run them out of WEP before you have a speed advantage.
I have also noticed that a P-51 seems to pick up speed quicker with the nose down. I never run into compressibility problems even in exended dives with a closed throttle in the D9. I have in the P-51, (and the P-47, for that matter) and developed the habit of dropping a notch of flaps as speed-brakes when nessecary.
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So you've based your premise on the D9 carrying a drop tank.. is that correct? :)
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No Steve, on a D9 that still has the drop-tank rack.
I'd jettison it too, if Icould. :)
I think even with the center-line rack, a P-51 stands a good chance of catching a Fw-190 who tries to dive away, if the initial seperation is not too great. Better zoom climb=will retain excess speed longer. The 190 must set up a situation where it can make use of its better thrust/weight ratio in level acceleration or a climb.
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Well, if he has more E, the best place to have him is right on your 6. A d9 won't slow down as well as a 51. Put yourself in the shallowest of climbs. Wait til right before he gets to 600(he'll start to think about firing then). Then break left(the 51 turns better to the left). Have your combat trim off. Don't break flat, break down some to challenge his gun solution attempt.. throttle chopped and one notch. Watch him on your 6. If he tries for a solution, pull through the turn until you see he is swinging a wider turn, keep throttle chopped and break back into him. He's again going to think he has a gun solution and he will keep turning into you. Again, nose down to get under his solution. A very good d9 pilot may have a snap shot here.(don't worry, there's very few).
The instant he passes right over you break back hard left while punching WEP. He will probably break back right and be right in front of you. (BOOM)
If he goes up, judge if you have the E to get your guns on him(you probably will) and go get him. If he goes basically straight up, pull in the flaps.
If he goes up and over, keep the flaps out and lead turn him. You'll be inverted by the time you get a solution and he will be defensive. His instinct will be to nose down. Now you've either got a kill or a runner.
An example of breaking back into the plane is in the film in the link below. You'll see in this case I'm in a dive but not really trying to get away. In fact, I slow down to let the bad guy catch me quicker.
At the 1:30 mark of the film slow it down to about 33% and see what happens. Notice I'm at two notches of flaps.
Then watch the film again from BBaw's view. again at 33% speed from about 1:25 in. Notice on the breakback I foil his gun solution by going under his nose. You can really see this from BBaw's view, external view.
These moves may seem aggressive from the defensive position... they are. A lot of people don't expect a 51 to fight. Use this, go after them.
BBaw is a very experienced pilot and you saw how this worked. It takes some practice... but you can see the results.
http://www.mediafire.com/?r1tupeym2n4
hey steve,
that's very well written dude. i can almost see it in my mind as i'm reading what you've written here, even though i don't fly either of these planes(i like my easy buttons).
one thing raised a question though, that always confuses me. you said for him to wait till D600 to break. so.....with the net lag and all, by the time i see him at 600, isn't he actually closer and already firing?
thanks!
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hey steve,
that's very well written dude. i can almost see it in my mind as i'm reading what you've written here, even though i don't fly either of these planes(i like my easy buttons).
one thing raised a question though, that always confuses me. you said for him to wait till D600 to break. so.....with the net lag and all, by the time i see him at 600, isn't he actually closer and already firing?
thanks!
Thanks Cap. What I said exactly was:"Wait til right before he gets to 600". In other words after he breaks 800, but before he breaks 600. If he's firing early, even the mildest of jinks will cause him to miss as you reel him in. In the scenario discussed, there are many variables of course. For instance, if the d9 chops and tries to stay behind, you'd stay chopped and drop more flaps. Maybe even get the rudder out in the slipstream. The balancing act here is that the D9 is going end up in front and will go evasive. You want to get him in front of you but still have enough E to put him away.
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If he fires at 600 our anyways, he's wasting his ammo, IMO.
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Thanks Cap. What I said exactly was:"Wait til right before he gets to 600". In other words after he breaks 800, but before he breaks 600. If he's firing early, even the mildest of jinks will cause him to miss as you reel him in. In the scenario discussed, there are many variables of course. For instance, if the d9 chops and tries to stay behind, you'd stay chopped and drop more flaps. Maybe even get the rudder out in the slipstream. The balancing act here is that the D9 is going end up in front and will go evasive. You want to get him in front of you but still have enough E to put him away.
ya knowwwwwww......you're gonna force me outta my easy button planes to try this stuff, dontcha? :aok
that is of course assuming that i can actually get my bellybutton back into the arenas!
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Well, if he has more E, the best place to have him is right on your 6. A d9 won't slow down as well as a 51. Put yourself in the shallowest of climbs. Wait til right before he gets to 600(he'll start to think about firing then). Then break left(the 51 turns better to the left). Have your combat trim off. Don't break flat, break down some to challenge his gun solution attempt.. throttle chopped and one notch. Watch him on your 6. If he tries for a solution, pull through the turn until you see he is swinging a wider turn, keep throttle chopped and break back into him. He's again going to think he has a gun solution and he will keep turning into you. Again, nose down to get under his solution. A very good d9 pilot may have a snap shot here.(don't worry, there's very few).
That might work if you're fortunate enough to find someone silly enough to follow a better turner into that sort of fight. Any Dora stick worth their salt would simply keep the WEP on and and go up and to the right. If you're breaking down and left, you would have to reverse your turning direction and resume climbing. With your inferior climb and roll rate this manuever will cost you a lot more than the Dora. Unless you're a dead-shot at 800 yards in a stalling climb, you will have blown your chances at gaining a Co-E situation and, provided the fight stays a 1v1, you will have nothing else to offer except evasive manuevers as the Dora uses its superior climb and recently gained E advantage to swoop on you and pick parts off you as you try to evade.
A patient Dora stick would take your initial manuever as a nice gift and use it to force you into the ground.
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That might work if you're fortunate enough to find someone silly enough to follow a better turner into that sort of fight. Any Dora stick worth their salt would simply keep the WEP on and and go up and to the right. If you're breaking down and left, you would have to reverse your turning direction and resume climbing. With your inferior climb and roll rate this manuever will cost you a lot more than the Dora. Unless you're a dead-shot at 800 yards in a stalling climb, you will have blown your chances at gaining a Co-E situation and, provided the fight stays a 1v1, you will have nothing else to offer except evasive manuevers as the Dora uses its superior climb and recently gained E advantage to swoop on you and pick parts off you as you try to evade.
A patient Dora stick would take your initial manuever as a nice gift and use it to force you into the ground.
Yeop then turns it back to an E fight as the 51 lost its advantage.
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Just did a test that explains it gentlemen.
With no drop tank rack, the Dora does run 375 on the deck on WEP.
However, with the rack in tow, the top deck speed is reduced to 369. And owing to the shorter legs on the D-9 on internal with MA fuel burns, I and I imagine most others usually carry the drop.
The P-51 is modeled with the drop tank pylons whether you carry them or not, and always runs 368 on the deck on WEP.
Therefore, a diving pony can should be able to make up quite abit of distance on a diving Dora with its greater E retention, under these conditions, once both level out, and this is why it seems like forever chasing a Pony sometimes in a Dora. You have to run them out of WEP before you have a speed advantage.
I have also noticed that a P-51 seems to pick up speed quicker with the nose down. I never run into compressibility problems even in exended dives with a closed throttle in the D9. I have in the P-51, (and the P-47, for that matter) and developed the habit of dropping a notch of flaps as speed-brakes when nessecary.
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I have tested every fighter for E-retention. I do this by diving to 500 mph and leveling off at 500 feet ASL. I engage WEP just before air speed bleeds down to 450 mph. I then time how long it takes to bleed down from 450 mph to 400 mph. The P-51D bleeds down 5.5 seconds faster than the 190D-9. This means that the 190 is gradually opening the distance. One can argue that the Dora should bleed speed faster than the Mustang as the P-51 has a substantially lower drag coefficient. However, in the game, the P-51 bleeds E faster than the Dora.
Go offline and test it yourself.
My regards,
Widewing
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I should point out that if the Dora has a centerline rack, it surrenders its E-bleed advantage and the P-51D is slightly better (36.75 seconds from 450 mph to 400 mph for the P-51D, 35.44 seconds for the 190D-9).
My regards,
Widewing
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That might work if you're fortunate enough to find someone silly enough to follow a better turner into that sort of fight. Any Dora stick worth their salt would simply keep the WEP on and and go up and to the right. If you're breaking down and left, you would have to reverse your turning direction and resume climbing. With your inferior climb and roll rate this manuever will cost you a lot more than the Dora. Unless you're a dead-shot at 800 yards in a stalling climb, you will have blown your chances at gaining a Co-E situation and, provided the fight stays a 1v1, you will have nothing else to offer except evasive manuevers as the Dora uses its superior climb and recently gained E advantage to swoop on you and pick parts off you as you try to evade.
A patient Dora stick would take your initial manuever as a nice gift and use it to force you into the ground.
Funny. I flat out school doras all day. If the D9 went up and I didn't have the E to go get him, I could punch and leave, let him try to run me down again, rinse and repeat. Also, I'd be watching out my 6 as I stated. As soon as the dora starts to go up, I'd be hitting the WEP. There would be little reversal required nad I'd be close abaord his 6 at maybe 400 not 800.
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Yeop then turns it back to an E fight as the 51 lost its advantage.
51 never had the advantage, d9 was gaining on its' 6. D9 has the advantage.
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I have tested every fighter for E-retention. I do this by diving to 500 mph and leveling off at 500 feet ASL. I engage WEP just before air speed bleeds down to 450 mph. I then time how long it takes to bleed down from 450 mph to 400 mph. The P-51D bleeds down 5.5 seconds faster than the 190D-9. This means that the 190 is gradually opening the distance. One can argue that the Dora should bleed speed faster than the Mustang as the P-51 has a substantially lower drag coefficient. However, in the game, the P-51 bleeds E faster than the Dora.
Go offline and test it yourself.
My regards,
Widewing
What took you so long?!
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I was just about to ask about the rack...explains my experiences of P-51D vrs. 190. You about NEED that DT if you want to go very far in the 190 in the MA.
But I mean, shouldn't E bleed either zooming vertically OR flying horizontally be related to the same thing? Mass of the airplane vrs. total drag of the airplane?
I should point out that if the Dora has a centerline rack, it surrenders its E-bleed advantage and the P-51D is slightly better (36.75 seconds from 450 mph to 400 mph for the P-51D, 35.44 seconds for the 190D-9).
My regards,
Widewing
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Well, if he has more E, the best place to have him is right on your 6. A d9 won't slow down as well as a 51. Put yourself in the shallowest of climbs. Wait til right before he gets to 600(he'll start to think about firing then). Then break left(the 51 turns better to the left). Have your combat trim off. Don't break flat, break down some to challenge his gun solution attempt.. throttle chopped and one notch. Watch him on your 6. If he tries for a solution, pull through the turn until you see he is swinging a wider turn, keep throttle chopped and break back into him. He's again going to think he has a gun solution and he will keep turning into you. Again, nose down to get under his solution. A very good d9 pilot may have a snap shot here.(don't worry, there's very few).
The instant he passes right over you break back hard left while punching WEP. He will probably break back right and be right in front of you. (BOOM)
If he goes up, judge if you have the E to get your guns on him(you probably will) and go get him. If he goes basically straight up, pull in the flaps.
If he goes up and over, keep the flaps out and lead turn him. You'll be inverted by the time you get a solution and he will be defensive. His instinct will be to nose down. Now you've either got a kill or a runner.
An example of breaking back into the plane is in the film in the link below. You'll see in this case I'm in a dive but not really trying to get away. In fact, I slow down to let the bad guy catch me quicker.
At the 1:30 mark of the film slow it down to about 33% and see what happens. Notice I'm at two notches of flaps.
Then watch the film again from BBaw's view. again at 33% speed from about 1:25 in. Notice on the breakback I foil his gun solution by going under his nose. You can really see this from BBaw's view, external view.
These moves may seem aggressive from the defensive position... they are. A lot of people don't expect a 51 to fight. Use this, go after them.
BBaw is a very experienced pilot and you saw how this worked. It takes some practice... but you can see the results.
http://www.mediafire.com/?r1tupeym2n4
Hi Steve, first let me say nice flying last night. I knew I should have been more wary about that P51 after it took out two of my country mates in a single pass, but I still thought I had enough E to follow you up and get a shot. That proved fatal!
I've watched this video a few times now, but I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for breaking back into the opponent when they can't match the turn? Is it simply to get them to commit and overshoot?
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Hi Joe. I remember that fight last night. You were in a wildcat right? Boy that was close, you were pinging my canopy until your nose dropped. good flying :)
In the video, the hellcat cannot match the turn because he is faster. Were you to continue the turn, any smart pilot would either go up, leaving you flat turning an inferior turner and bleeding precious E, or he'd yoyo and drop down on you. Even if he missed a gun solution or saddle in the yoyo, he would be able to go back up and perch on you. From there, down on the deck, you'd have few options.
Almost every pilot, with some few exceptions, who is in a better turner is going to accept the scissor. He will think you've played to his plane's strengths. In this video, BBaw is right where he's supposed to be in the dive but he doesn't pick up soon enough that I've chopped power. BBaw is a good stick. There could be a number of reasons why he didn't pick it up, including that it was late at night and maybe he was tired. I'd like to think it is because he, like most folk, expects the 51 to run for ack; then he gets caught unawares when the mustang offers a fight. :aok
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190d9 ftw.
Many people simply underestimate it.
The biggest horror of the 190d9 are the ballistics. If your used to wing mounted guns, you will have a nightmare of a time with lead shots in the d9. You simply cant see much when pulling lead and have to be really good at guessing where the guy is when pulling the trigger.
Thats why I always shoot at under 300 yards.
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190d9 ftw.
Many people simply underestimate it.
The biggest horror of the 190d9 are the ballistics. If your used to wing mounted guns, you will have a nightmare of a time with lead shots in the d9. You simply cant see much when pulling lead and have to be really good at guessing where the guy is when pulling the trigger.
Thats why I always shoot at under 300 yards.
My favorite 190. As to mixing it up with a pony, I avoid getting too slow, cute, and close. But I'm probably doing it wrong.
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What is it with 190's lately,I used to always have no problem with em but the past 3 days im in a pony their catching me on deck at co alt and my gas is low,It is out climbing me co alt,and even out turning me ...and i know how to turn a pony well.Can anyone give me some quick stats? as all i have gotten killed by for two days is 190,and im getting upset about it lol,well frustrated.I never had a problem with the 190 before should it be able to do all this?Thank anyone that can help me :salute :furious
Why are you running from 190s? Out turn them and kill him :devil
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Why are you running from 190s? Out turn them and kill him :devil
Did you read the whole post?
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where is your avaturd Steve?
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there was a day I'd be known to write up on this specific topic, but I have long lost my even decent status in the Dorka, but I still get slow and nasty every flight.
IMHO there are many things it can do many do not know about, and don't expect it to be able to.
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you'll have to show me this some time Yenny, every 190D i've ever encounted fast or slow has been taken apart by my Pony.
100% corect ... no 190D shot me down (me in a ponyD) in a 1 vs 1 fight.They simply have no chance.
Nevertheless , it's posible i didn't meet a 190D ace till now.
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you've obviously never encountered m00t
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you've obviously never encountered m00t
152 and D9 are two different beast.