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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FiLtH on July 21, 2008, 01:19:13 AM
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A guy has 6 enemy on him, I stay out and drift to the side (if Im not 1 of the 6) and figure hes got enough problems and then he runs to me, bent on getting somebody before he dies.
If he just took them on, he may kill a couple rather than trying for a few pings on a plane, and exposing his six to the enemy without even trying.
Just always seemed an odd thing to do.
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It's the noob thing to do, specially if you are in a HO plane.. Those are the best ones.. run from one con to the next trying to cherry pick or HO..
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but hey that P40 is just too much of an attractive target, only stupid noobs fly those right???
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but hey that P40 is just too much of an attractive target, only stupid noobs fly those right???
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That's true. The P-40 is the "easy kill". P-40s scare me (FiLtH).
Or, you're the closest thing he can get his nose on. Target of opportunity? Keep that K?D at 1 to 1 for that sortie?
wrngway
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A guy has 6 enemy on him, I stay out and drift to the side (if Im not 1 of the 6) and figure hes got enough problems and then he runs to me, bent on getting somebody before he dies.
If he just took them on, he may kill a couple rather than trying for a few pings on a plane, and exposing his six to the enemy without even trying.
Just always seemed an odd thing to do.
i've never understood why people would engage a bogie when they see only 2 or 3 on him already..........
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:rofl I've wondered the same thing Filth.
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i've never understood why people would engage a bogie when they see only 2 or 3 on him already..........
The people who do this either don't yet understand the trouble they're getting themselves into (from higher cons) by doing this, or don't have the confidence to deal with that trouble on an equal footing, so rely on the "wildebeest crossing the river" defense.
Gotta love it when you're dominating a guy down low, a guy dives down and clears your 12, and then you both get bounced by the higher con your "hero" was originally in a position to intercept.
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Hehehe...clears your 12
Thats the other part of it...sometimes I swear that the friends chasin that guy to me, are actually waiting to see what happens! LOL
But what makes me the most angry is when Im fighting a con, and I see tracers behind me shooting at my target. I say "You must want him more than I do" and break off and find another target, and the friend for some reason doesnt kill the guy I was on previously, and he comes back to engage me now that Im busy.
Its a crazy world!
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The P-40 gets the worst treatment in the game. Even more than the La, or Pony! Whenever anyone sees a P-40 in the skies they think "easy kill" rather than thinking if this guy takes a P-40 rather than a P-51 or a Spitfire, he must be good. Though sometimes they are complete noobs :) . If a P-40 enters a furball, every enemy leaves whatever target they are on to go kill the P-40! The same goes for Bombers in a furball too! :lol
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Whenever anyone sees a P-40 in the skies they think "easy kill"
Nah. Players with common sense deals w/ planes as needed, prioritized by threat level to whatever their goal is. It's not "anyone" doing what you suggest.
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A guy has 6 enemy on him, I stay out and drift to the side (if Im not 1 of the 6) and figure hes got enough problems and then he runs to me, bent on getting somebody before he dies.
If he just took them on, he may kill a couple rather than trying for a few pings on a plane, and exposing his six to the enemy without even trying.
Just always seemed an odd thing to do.
The thought process of 'Well I may die but if I shoot down Filth I've heard they'll drop a year or two early' perhaps? :D
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The P-40 gets the worst treatment in the game. Even more than the La, or Pony! Whenever anyone sees a P-40 in the skies they think "easy kill" rather than thinking if this guy takes a P-40 rather than a P-51 or a Spitfire, he must be good. Though sometimes they are complete noobs :) . If a P-40 enters a furball, every enemy leaves whatever target they are on to go kill the P-40! The same goes for Bombers in a furball too! :lol
Personally I give P40's, Spit 1's , Huri 1's and FM2's much more respect than any of the late war rides. I figure if someone ups one of those planes it's better than a 50% chance that they know what they are doing and have something to prove.
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Hehehe...clears your 12
Thats the other part of it...sometimes I swear that the friends chasin that guy to me, are actually waiting to see what happens! LOL
But what makes me the most angry is when Im fighting a con, and I see tracers behind me shooting at my target. I say "You must want him more than I do" and break off and find another target, and the friend for some reason doesnt kill the guy I was on previously, and he comes back to engage me now that Im busy.
Its a crazy world!
Oh I really hate over the shoulder shooters.. Those guys really tick me off to the point I'll tell them over VOX to get the hell off my kill, that is annoying to no end.
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Gotta love it when you're dominating a guy down low, a guy dives down and clears your 12, and then you both get bounced by the higher con your "hero" was originally in a position to intercept.
Oh so true!
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My favorite permutation of this scenario is the La7 driver that comes in with some alt, tries a HO on one or several of the intervening cons willing to fight him before majestically swan diving down at 500mph toward the take-off spots on the runways for vulch passes before he inevitably blows his E and gets run down...There's quite a few people who pretty much ONLY do this and several of them are by no means "noobs"...
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Similar are the guys who feel the need to gang up on EW planes in LW. It's challenging enough to fly those EW rides in the LWA's without having to be ganged. Happened to me several times yesterday in an Emil.
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Similar are the guys who feel the need to gang up on EW planes in LW. It's challenging enough to fly those EW rides in the LWA's without having to be ganged. Happened to me several times yesterday in an Emil.
Well, two factors can cause this...
1) In a complex engagement people tend to want to simplify matters by 'removing' what they perceive as the easier targets first. Apart from the EW rides, 110s, Mossies and 38s also receive this prejudicial attention because they are big and easier to hit at poor deflection or while compressed.
2) We have a large plane-set and those that choose to compete in the LW arena with EW rides are quite conspicuous. Compound that with the fact many EW bird jockeys are "known" players. When you are conspicuous and are also a "known" player of some skill the goblin horde is going to want to feast on your bones, plain and simple. You can't really blame them, it's just human nature to clamor for the pelt of someone who has talent even if it means a poor quality kill...
So, rather than be bitter about it, treat each gang-banging as a badge of honor, an unabashed admission by the perpetrators that they are collectively inferior in every conceivable way. If you need advice on how to do this, just ask Shane, he has it down to a fine art.... :rofl
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Well, two factors can cause this...
1) In a complex engagement people tend to want to simplify matters by 'removing' what they perceive as the easier targets first. Apart from the EW rides, 110s, Mossies and 38s also receive this prejudicial attention because they are big and easier to hit at poor deflection or while compressed.
Yea I found myself in that position yesterday. I was in a K4 and had a co alt K4 that I knew had more E than me and a low LA7 under me. I knew the guy in the K4 was a good shot cause he caught me off guard the sortie before. I also knew if I engaged the K4 I'd also be dealing with the LA7 sooner than I wanted.
I knew I could kill the LA7, so I dropped and killed him but also put my self at a even worse disadvantage to the K4 which eventually killed me. Some times you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. 9 times out of 10 I would have tried to engage the higher con first and deal with the second later but it was one of those times I knew I could kill one and get him out of the way.
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In a complex engagement people tend to want to simplify matters by 'removing' what they perceive as the easier targets first. Apart from the EW rides, 110s, Mossies and 38s also receive this prejudicial attention because they are big and easier to hit at poor deflection or while compressed.
Hmmm... I've always gone about it the opposite way; taking out the biggest threat first, then working my way down the food chain.
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The P-40 gets the worst treatment in the game. Even more than the La, or Pony! Whenever anyone sees a P-40 in the skies they think "easy kill" rather than thinking if this guy takes a P-40 rather than a P-51 or a Spitfire, he must be good. Though sometimes they are complete noobs :) . If a P-40 enters a furball, every enemy leaves whatever target they are on to go kill the P-40! The same goes for Bombers in a furball too! :lol
I've never had a problem dispatching Pee40's while flying in the Virtual Ki-61. Wait, this would "constitute" as bragging and only a select few are on that list.
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Hmmm... I've always gone about it the opposite way; taking out the biggest threat first, then working my way down the food chain.
I agree that is often the most reasonable approach especially if your team has a local numerical advantage. But, as in strafing's example, improving the odds as quickly as possible is often more important and expedient than the more time consuming enterprise of working the enemy with the highest E state, skill or best plane. This is especially true if your team is at a numerical disadvantage in that general area as you can expect the odds to progressively worsen the more protracted the fight becomes..
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Similar are the guys who feel the need to gang up on EW planes in LW. It's challenging enough to fly those EW rides in the LWA's without having to be ganged. Happened to me several times yesterday in an Emil.
I just tell em where my 38G is. It saves time :)
I tend to figure if I see an FM2, P40, any 109 besides a K4 etc that the guy might know what he's doing so I watch them closer. I certainly don't take for granted that someone in a P40 in LW is a noob, in fact I figure it's FiltH :)
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I agree that is often the most reasonable approach especially if your team has a local numerical advantage. But, as in strafing's example, improving the odds as quickly as possible is often more important and expedient than the more time consuming enterprise of working the enemy with the highest E state, skill or best plane. This is especially true if your team is at a numerical disadvantage in that general area as you can expect the odds to progressively worsen the more protracted the fight becomes..
Your obviously a genius and I need to avoid you in combat.
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Your obviously a genius and I need to avoid you in combat.
The funny thing is I'm actually an idiot, I just read alot...;)
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The funny thing is I'm actually an idiot, I just read alot...;)
heh, but you got this right... :rock
So, rather than be bitter about it, treat each gang-banging as a badge of honor, an unabashed admission by the perpetrators that they are collectively inferior in every conceivable way. If you need advice on how to do this, just ask Shane, he has it down to a fine art.... :rofl
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Got spanked by Shane a couple of times in his f4u - waited till he was disengaged from the previous combatant - really really thought I'd get him....but he keeps that damn plane just out of guns on - very nice flying by him, and I really enjoyed it - even tho I died both times
Personally I like flying earlier planes - tho must admit I keep going back into the spits as well (just gotta love the VIII).
I try to work out which plane is the biggest threat - but mostly just engage the nearest con to me thats not engaged. If they are being engaged by multiple friendlies, I'll start grabbing alt for the next wave.
FM2 rocks, seriously - off a cv, my bird of choice.
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Wurzel
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Baah..
Now I understand why my uber spixteen is always picked first when I fly with my Rook Hordes of Death.