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Title: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Anodizer on July 21, 2008, 10:53:32 PM
You know, I've been curious about something for a little while......Are one hit pilot kills possible?  I mean, not where your plane suddenly gets hit and explodes, but one good hit to the cockpit instantly killing the pilot and sweeping you back to the tower....Does that exist in Aces High?

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Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Motherland on July 21, 2008, 10:54:09 PM
Yep. Easy with cannon rounds.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Dichotomy on July 21, 2008, 10:58:38 PM
happens all of the time to me..
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: PFactorDave on July 21, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
Happen all the time.

As they should, even if it is frustrating to the victim.  But, in WWII, I'm pretty darn sure that anytime a 20mm or 30mm (or puny .303) passed through a pilot's noggin, it pretty much ruined his day.

Never forget that in this game, as in WWII, there are (and were back then) some pilots who were exceptionally skilled at gunnery.  Also, it probably isn't really a one shot kill most of the time.  It just sometimes happens that the front end of the burst gets the job done.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Steve on July 21, 2008, 11:00:28 PM
You know, I've been curious about something for a little while......Are one hit pilot kills possible?  I mean, not where your plane suddenly gets hit and explodes, but one good hit to the cockpit instantly killing the pilot and sweeping you back to the tower....Does that exist in Aces High?

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Yup, best way to kill buffs is canopy shot.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Motherland on July 21, 2008, 11:01:22 PM
In Aces High and in '43 :aok
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Blooz on July 21, 2008, 11:56:45 PM
Yup.

Saves lots of time and ammunition.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Delirium on July 22, 2008, 12:31:16 AM
I had a real lucky shot on a P38 yesterday... he broke hard left and throttled back, trying to force me to overshoot. I chopped throttle, moved the throttle on my #1 engine to half (to increase roll rate momentarily), and fired 28 .50 cal rounds.

It was all luck, must of killed his pilot because the plane just disappeared.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: SD67 on July 22, 2008, 02:21:38 AM
Why not have the enemy aircraft sprial down into the weeds when the pilot is killed rather than just blow up?
I can understand why it's not like an extended blackout, since the plane could theoretically fly until it ran out of fuel if it was modelled like that.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Obie303 on July 22, 2008, 02:25:25 AM
Fly next to any enemy CV group.  Puffy ack can be brutal.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Steve on July 22, 2008, 02:56:18 AM
You know, I've been curious about something for a little while......Are one hit pilot kills possible?  I mean, not where your plane suddenly gets hit and explodes, but one good hit to the cockpit instantly killing the pilot and sweeping you back to the tower....Does that exist in Aces High?

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It looks like this:

http://www.mediafire.com/?0mgum4eiwny
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Latrobe on July 22, 2008, 04:42:46 AM
One shot kills? Sure they're possible! I've had waaayyy too many happen to me, and many of them have been 1 ping from a 50cal that obliterates my wing!  :noid
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Rich46yo on July 22, 2008, 06:37:11 AM
Look at it this way. The American 0.50 BMG round, fired by almost all the Yank planes, fired a 700 grn class AP bullet to about 2,844 fps, developing roughly 13,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. In contrast the 3006 round our infantry fought with, and would kill you deader then fried chicken, fired a 150 grn class round at about the same velocity, and generated a little under 3,000 lbs of energy at the muzzle.

Put it this way. In hunting terms the 3006 has taken every type of ground animal on the planet, where'as if you were going elephant hunting the .50 BMG would leave you far over-gunned. A AP .50 BMG round would probably not only kill the elephant you were aiming at but also the three standing behind it. Think about that the next time you up a Jug with a full MG load.

So yes. I think for the game to be modeled correctly then one round would have to be able to kill you.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Ghosth on July 22, 2008, 07:18:01 AM
I believe its a networking/coad issue SD67.

Once the pilot is back in the tower, he's separated from his plane, if it remained it would cause all kinds of problems.
Where would the game get the positional information to send to the other players? What would happen if you ran into it? It brings all kinds of issues up, with the potential for tons of problems.

For a better answer you'd have to talk to Hitech


Why not have the enemy aircraft sprial down into the weeds when the pilot is killed rather than just blow up?
I can understand why it's not like an extended blackout, since the plane could theoretically fly until it ran out of fuel if it was modelled like that.

Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: jerkins on July 22, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
There once was a video showing just how much damage a 20mm from a p38 can cause.  Sadly this video is not on the web anymore (at least not at the usual sites) .  They fire it at a 55 gallon drum.  The entire back side of the drum blow open and the drum flies about 10-15 feet back. I would say a single hit from that round, and the pilot is history.   
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Delirium on July 22, 2008, 09:01:12 AM
Here you go, Jerkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8h43TRXwk
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Slash27 on July 22, 2008, 09:32:09 AM
I believe its a networking/coad issue SD67.

Once the pilot is back in the tower, he's separated from his plane, if it remained it would cause all kinds of problems.
Where would the game get the positional information to send to the other players? What would happen if you ran into it? It brings all kinds of issues up, with the potential for tons of problems.

For a better answer you'd have to talk to Hitech



We can see the plane spiral in after a guy bails. Maybe they could expand on that? 
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: MotorOil1 on July 22, 2008, 09:45:13 AM
Here you go, Jerkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8h43TRXwk

Wow, standing 10 feet beside a 60 year old 20mm cannon firing 60 year old ammo out in the arctic.  I think I would have been standing behind and farther away if that was me. 

Still nice demonstration. 

My favorite is putting a 37mm through the cockpit of an F6F and watching it go boom!
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: VonMessa on July 22, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
We can see the plane spiral in after a guy bails. Maybe they could expand on that? 

Probably due to the relative proximity of plane/pilot at bail time. 
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Winks on July 22, 2008, 05:33:33 PM
Fly next to any enemy CV group.  Puffy ack can be brutal.

yep I always get slapped back to tower
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Gixer on July 22, 2008, 06:23:38 PM
37mm all pilots go boom and die to one shot kills.  :devil


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: PFactorDave on July 22, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
Wow, standing 10 feet beside a 60 year old 20mm cannon firing 60 year old ammo out in the arctic.  I think I would have been standing behind and farther away if that was me. 

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Impressive demo though.
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: Motherland on July 22, 2008, 10:25:24 PM
Here you go, Jerkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8h43TRXwk
We're sorry, this video is no longer available.

 :uhoh
Title: Re: One shot pilot kill possible?
Post by: angelsandair on July 22, 2008, 10:27:21 PM
You know, I've been curious about something for a little while......Are one hit pilot kills possible?  I mean, not where your plane suddenly gets hit and explodes, but one good hit to the cockpit instantly killing the pilot and sweeping you back to the tower....Does that exist in Aces High?

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Take a P-39Q in Offline and shoot one of the planes with 1 37mm. (except the bombers). It will either lose a wing or go BOOM!