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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RoGenT on July 24, 2008, 02:52:57 PM
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I know picking is one of the top topics in 200 (aside from HO shots) but everyone has different way of looking at it so I am curious on the feed back of ''picking'' from my fellow players.
Only fair that I go first.
Below is what I consider picking
When one player engages another one that pretty much has no chance of fighting his/her way out of that situation (falls under gangbang)
Shooting someone when they already engaged by at least one person (if your countryman is on his six)
Shooting already damaged plane (for example, half wing) and/or someone landing.
Non-Picks
Player is not being engaged or engaging someone else
Furballs: I do not believe there isn't any such thing as a pick in furballs unless it is completely one-sided
Coming to the aid of fellow countryman who has baddie on six and clearing it.
Player is afk and shot down.
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Enjoy...
Here's some definitions that might help:
1) Bounce - Attacking with an altitude advantage a plane that is not already engaged with another.
2) Cherry Pick - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
3) Clearing Your Wingman's 6 - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
4) Drag n' Bag - Tactic whereby a friendly drags 1 or several enemy laterally for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
5) Vertical Drag n' Bag (aka Rope) - Tactic whereby a friendly pulls 1 or more enemy up vertically to slow them down, hanging them there for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
6)Cross Drag - Tactic whereby a friendly with a single pursuer turns him perpendicular to your flight path to allow you to close more quickly and provide a higher profile shot on the enemy "engaged" with him.
So, #1 is not a cherry pick, that's a pure BnZ in the classic sense. Some seem to think if they get bushwhacked and didn't see it coming that's a cherry-pick but it's not. If they were not otherwise engaged it's just getting bounced.
That leaves #2-6, all cherry-picks or variations thereof. Coincidentally, they are all fundamental tactics of air combat and cooperative wingman tactics. There's hardly more fun to be had in the game than flying in a complex engagement with some folks that can recognize, execute and exploit #3-6. In fact, there's a name for those that can't recognize, execute and exploit #3-6, "clueless noobs". Personally, I don't care to fly with people who consider themselves above cherry-picking, because in a complex engagement people averse to setting people up, recognizing setups, exploiting setups and clearing your 6 are not worth a pinch of owl poop.
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Anyone who claims they never pick is being dishonest... But there are a good number of people who try not to be the 4th or 5th man in... And a good number of people who hold the 4th and 5th in with complete disdain in case of "vets" and perhaps a sigh/eyeroll in the case of newer guys.
There is absolutely no good tactical reason to be the 4th guy dogpiling someone... None.
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every kill is a pick :)
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Anyone who claims they never pick is being dishonest... But there are a good number of people who try not to be the 4th or 5th man in... And a good number of people who hold the 4th and 5th in with complete disdain in case of "vets" and perhaps a sigh/eyeroll in the case of newer guys.
There is absolutely no good tactical reason to be the 4th guy dogpiling someone... None.
I totally agree. A squaddie of the past had a saying I always thought was catchy and easy to remember for those who have trouble distinguishing the difference between a pick and a gang-bang.
"If there's two there's room for you, if there's three let them be..."
As you can probably tell by my avatar I am a huge advocate of cherry picking. In my opinion, per my self-quoted post above, sound cooperative tactics and cherry-picking are practically synonymous. I also have no problem being the 2nd or 3rd guy in on certain planes I consider "hyper-modelled" (ie: La7, Spit, Niki etc) just to make sure they get what they deserve, especially if I know or suspect they are being driven by someone with skill. Gang-Banging however, is usually just a waste of E and ammunition, if a bandit can kill 3+ of my teammates by himself he deserves to live...
By the same token, I have absolutely no problem being cherry picked. Anyone who doesn't cherry pick bandits off their countrymen is a waste of bandwidth in an air combat game. If I was proceeding to kill someone and his friendly had a chance to pick me off him and did not, I would assume he's either grossly incompetent, drunk or both.
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Anyone who claims they never pick is being dishonest... But there are a good number of people who try not to be the 4th or 5th man in... And a good number of people who hold the 4th and 5th in with complete disdain in case of "vets" and perhaps a sigh/eyeroll in the case of newer guys.
There is absolutely no good tactical reason to be the 4th guy dogpiling someone... None.
If there's no other red cons in sight and the "dogpile" has gone on for more than 30 seconds without a resolution, or if the one enemy killed one of the pursuers already, or if I'm already within 2.0k (especially if they're coming towards me), I consider any of those good tactical reasons to pile on.
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Anyone who claims they never pick is being dishonest... But there are a good number of people who try not to be the 4th or 5th man in...
I will not join a 1v1 without first asking my teammate if he wants help. Anything more than 1v1 and I'll not join, unless settling a score. There's plenty of targets out there.
I realize this is oldschool and the current mindset is set in opposition to my position but I don't care. I think gangtards are just as low as first merge Ho'ers.
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I pick, therefore I am
- Rene Descartes.
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If there's no other red cons in sight and the "dogpile" has gone on for more than 30 seconds without a resolution, or if the one enemy killed one of the pursuers already, or if I'm already within 2.0k (especially if they're coming towards me), I consider any of those good tactical reasons to pile on.
Worry about the red cons not in sight ;)
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Enjoy...
Chigger flicka!
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If there's no other red cons in sight and the "dogpile" has gone on for more than 30 seconds without a resolution, or if the one enemy killed one of the pursuers already, or if I'm already within 2.0k (especially if they're coming towards me), I consider any of those good tactical reasons to pile on.
same here, if 5 guys can't kill a con in 30 secs I'll swoop in as long as I'm not blowing a bunch of E. I also expect others to do the same if I'm the dolt that can't kill the con 200 in front of me. :D
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well, heres a deifinition... some dweeb flying a niki, spit, hurri or la la diving from 15k when your 10k under them....
-BigBOBCH
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Personally I hate what I call "base baiters"
You'll have anywhere from 1-3 guys who will fly over base(obviously making it flash)
They have absolutely no intention of taking the base, nor the means to do so.
And they will pick off guys as they attempt to up to "Fight".
At the 1st sign of any plane that is co-alt with them, they will scamper away with their "well earned" kills.
I've noticed that most of these guys are the "Sko-Hoes" that are always whining about not being able to find a "good fight"
I call THAT "punking" not picking.
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Personally I hate what I call "base baiters"
You'll have anywhere from 1-3 guys who will fly over base(obviously making it flash)
They have absolutely no intention of taking the base, nor the means to do so.
And they will pick off guys as they attempt to up to "Fight".
At the 1st sign of any plane that is co-alt with them, they will scamper away with their "well earned" kills.
I've noticed that most of these guys are the "Sko-Hoes" that are always whining about not being able to find a "good fight"
I call THAT "punking" not picking.
One to three guys doing this are going to be shot up by the ack or run low on fuel/ammo before you can replane and bring in a coalt fighter...
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Killing an engaged opponent. Usually requires that the opponent fly like a "CHERRY" (noob...not paying attention...zero SA). Damaged or landing planes would qualify as vultches and not cherry picks. The latest one I've heard is a guy that does the Gang Rope (1 high guy vs 2 or more low guys) is a cherry picker. Not so, sometimes I think noobs simply make up definitions for terms they hear. I had one weenie complain that I ho'ed him when every shot was inside his 5 to 7 o'clock arc. :rofl
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Hey Zazen nice write ups on set ups on the AOM site Btw. Easily worth it's weight in gold or turtles :)
:salute
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Killing an engaged opponent. Usually requires that the opponent fly like a "CHERRY" (noob...not paying attention...zero SA). Damaged or landing planes would qualify as vultches and not cherry picks. The latest one I've heard is a guy that does the Gang Rope (1 high guy vs 2 or more low guys) is a cherry picker. Not so, sometimes I think noobs simply make up definitions for terms they hear. I had one weenie complain that I ho'ed him when every shot was inside his 5 to 7 o'clock arc. :rofl
Some LTAR tried to claim that I was picking him a long time ago. I'd let him up, get some alt, climb out of ack, and promptly kill him 1v1 repeatedly.
If you got a question on terminology, visit The Radio Abbreviations page (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/abbreviations/abbreviations.htm) on the Trainers site. (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com)
or The Common Terms (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Common_terms) page on AHWiki (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
Sorry, but yearlings don't get to redefine the lingo that everyone else has been using the last 10-20 years. (Just to be clear, that was to the tards in the MA who have tried to tell me a different definition of a term)
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One to three guys doing this are going to be shot up by the ack or run low on fuel/ammo before you can replane and bring in a coalt fighter...
You're right!
I must be mistaken, its never really happened many many times. ( till i learned my lesson that is)
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Hey Zazen nice write ups on set ups on the AOM site Btw. Easily worth it's weight in gold or turtles :)
:salute
Thank-you sir, I am glad you found it useful. :salute
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The latest one I've heard is a guy that does the Gang Rope (1 high guy vs 2 or more low guys) is a cherry picker. Not so, sometimes I think noobs simply make up definitions for terms they hear. I had one weenie complain that I ho'ed him when every shot was inside his 5 to 7 o'clock arc. :rofl
I heard a variation of that from drdeathx last week in the MW. He was the higher bogie, dives to the deck to gain the energy advantage and then zooms into the vertical while all the while I stayed at my alt and then just zoomed up into the vertical as he started his zoom climb. I ended up roping him and was called a "no skill picker".
ack-ack
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Killing an engaged opponent. Usually requires that the opponent fly like a "CHERRY" (noob...not paying attention...zero SA).
That is incredibly true. I can't count the millions of times I've said this in-game. As an example I can count on one hand the number of times I have truly cherry picked Leviathan (+Dead in AW), which is saying a lot as I've flown with him 15+ years that I know of and go out of my way to find and film him. He has fabulous SA. There's probably a few dozen people that play AH right now that are nearly impossible to cherry pick by virtue of their outstanding SA.
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If you get cherry pick, you probably messed up on SA some how ! like allow yourself to get into a bad situation either on purpose or not. I know when i take my hurricane into a 1 vs 5 I'd probalby get cherry pick and love it !
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The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition. :D
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Ack-Ack...
Yeah, sounds like another vocabulary challenged noob. :D
Zaz...
Yep, I've cherried Levi once or twice myself. It's about the only way I EVER flippin' got him! :rofl
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if it's 1 v 1 I'll ask if he needs a hand
if it's 2 v 1 I'll ask if they need a hand
if 2 greens can't kill 1 red they deserve what they get
if I see a conga line behind one green I'll dive in, try to disrupt, and hope to the AH Gods I just saved someone worth saving
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Player is not being engaged or engaging someone else
Furballs: I do not believe there isn't any such thing as a pick in furballs unless it is completely one-sided
there are usually 20 + planes in a furball, well the good ones anyway, then there the real air 2 air combat pilots who hover above the furball and make passes at random planes ALREADY ENGAGED. ;)
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there are usually 20 + planes in a furball, well the good ones anyway, then there the real air 2 air combat pilots who hover above the furball and make passes at random planes ALREADY ENGAGED. ;)
You are misunderstanding the modern definition of "furball". A Furball is a large, chaotic engagement, with many planes operating in loose coordination over a relatively finite space. Furballs are three-dimensional, they tend to look like a tornado that starts out wider at the top with a skinny rope, as it matures the rope thickens and the top shrinks. There's a definite periphery on the horizontal plane at low alt. There's planes that have exhausted their E at the bottom stallfighting, there's people fighting more vertically in the middle alts and there's those in the next higher strata who have not yet spent their E and are waiting to strike. Furballs have ebbs and flows at the various strata as killing expends E. Planes once occupying the top strata halfway through a mission with 5 kills may find himself down in the weeds trying to fight his way through the periphery to return to base. A furball is a complex organism, it is not 2 or more Spits playing stall horn grab-ass on the deck...
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Well said Zazen!
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If you ran away from a 1 on 1 then come back in to fight, that is a pick. If you just happen to be on the side with more aircraft in the furball, thats oppertunity. If you are willing to fight 1 on 1 you deserve your fair share of picks. If all you do is pick, and you consider this a skill, you are infact a huge no skill cherry picking dweeb. :aok
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it is just another whine people use when they get owned proper. Disregard the smack.
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241877.0.html page #3 post #8
"A fixated pilot will get 'picked' every time. He has allowed his SA to drop and the price is death."
I have been accused of picking even after the man I was to kill gave up chasing me and switched targets. He was busy fixating on someone else I guess.
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I have been accused of picking even after the man I was to kill gave up chasing me.. [snip]
well....er......nevermind. :P
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I really only get ticked when I'm working an enemy and some friendly schmo cuts me off with no warning.
"picking" my target I've worked on.
jerks.
(unless I do this to a squadie, than its funny. especially if they kill shoot themselves :rofl)
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I have been accused of picking even after the man I was to kill gave up chasing me
well....er......nevermind. :P
Heheheh no kiddin
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Well I was trying to relate someone following me while extending for a reversal or gaining alt for a better advantage the target doesnt have the patience to stick with you and reverses only to get killed and then complains about getting picked. Writing isnt my strong suit just trying to help.
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if I see a conga line behind one green I'll dive in, try to disrupt, and hope to the AH Gods I just saved someone worth saving
I'll say. There are few things more frustrating than swooping in on a fellow green and cleaning 3 or 4 baddies off (which I love doing, even if I don't get a kill) and have him immediately reverse back into the fight. It's like, :frown:, didn't you want some alt or speed or something before you went back in there.
On another topic, what do you call it when one of your countrymen swoops into your gunsite just as you take the shot?
Would that be self cherry picking?
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was just picking out a sentance that suited me and poking a bit of fun chalenge S!
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I'll say. There are few things more frustrating than swooping in on a fellow green and cleaning 3 or 4 baddies off (which I love doing, even if I don't get a kill) and have him immediately reverse back into the fight. It's like, :frown:, didn't you want some alt or speed or something before you went back in there.
This is a huge pet-peave of mine. I've learned over time with experience to always say something like, "Joeblow, I am coming to clear those guys off of you...",
"...wiggle a bit to keep them interested until I get there, then keep on trucking!".
If someone blows significant E and/or Alt to save your bacon at least have the courtesy to not put your bacon back in the frying pan. The only exception to this would be if there were only 1 or 2 guys on him and the guy you saved is in a reasonably good turner, then definitely, if he's game, let's eat 'em. If he's in a poor turner however, probably not even then, because reversing 180 degrees to engage on the deck is E you can't afford to spend and can't make up for by pulling for angles like you could in a turner. By saving that E, if the guys you shook off continue to pursue with enough separation you could possibly setup a rolling drag n' bag if the mood strikes you.
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Personally I hate what I call "base baiters"
You'll have anywhere from 1-3 guys who will fly over base(obviously making it flash)
They have absolutely no intention of taking the base, nor the means to do so.
I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. :aok
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I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. :aok
Yup, that's a very effective tactic. It was used alot in indirect co-ordination with a land based offensive or an amphibious assualt in WWII. It's called Interdiction....Base Baiter works too I suppose although I've never heard that term used to describe it before...
in·ter·dict
Pronunciation: \ˌin-tər-ˈdikt\
Function: transitive verb
Date: 15th century
1. to destroy, damage, or cut off (as an enemy line of supply) by firepower to stop or hamper an enemy
The purpose of air interdiction is to delay, disrupt, or destroy enemy forces or supplies en route to the battle area before they do any harm against friendly forces. - (Wikipedia quote)
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I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. :aok
why does common sense suggest that that is not the situation he is referring to???
Bah..my bad for introducing common sense into this conversation...
Please continue with explanations of "How I Justify the Methods I Use to get Kills" And yes...typically guys who are intent on taking a base are fairly easy trgts for light fiters who dont care whether or not the base actually falls...that should be a good tip noted by all. Has to do with weapons load, fuel load etc... It sounds like you are in fact a MASTER BAI....erm nevermind...you get the point :devil
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Stealing a kill from a friendly can be a touchy topic indeed. However, I would like to add one thing. If there are 1+ friendlies on a con and have had a chance or two to take them down, I think that anyone has the right to swoop in and grab the kill, especially if there is risk of a countryman or your own base taking damage.
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why does common sense suggest that that is not the situation he is referring to???
Bah..my bad for introducing common sense into this conversation...
Please continue with explanations of "How I Justify the Methods I Use to get Kills" And yes...typically guys who are intent on taking a base are fairly easy trgts for light fiters who dont care whether or not the base actually falls...that should be a good tip noted by all. Has to do with weapons load, fuel load etc... It sounds like you are in fact a MASTER BAI....erm nevermind...you get the point :devil
Mmm, I'm not a guy who feels the need to justify my methods but thanks for playing. I have fun. I prefer to get along but I understand a few turds like you will float up in the bowl now and then. No doubt you get all your kills 1v1 or worse and you are always low, far away from your base or help. WTG, you're a much better stick than I. Like I said, I have fun. :aok
The only point I got is that you felt a compulsion to insult me and couldn't control yourself.
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I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. :aok
While I salute you for fighting for the team with the lowest numbers, I think you missed "my" meaning of "base baiting".
While scanning the map, I will find a base flashing.
Base will usually have no radar or ack. Its been prepared.
So I up, only to find a couple runstangs or 190s circling high above the base waiting for someone to "up".
Well, lotsa luck trying to get up to fight.
These score dweebs will not let you up to "fight".
While I will applaud there ingenuity, I also despise this type of play.
I've learned that the easy way to break up there little score fest,is to come in at co-alt from a nearby base.
Without fail the "runstangs" live up to their well deserved nickname.
And the funniest part of it all is that for the most part, i find that these are the same guys you will see on these BBs carrying on about "the fight".
What a joke.
But its their 15 smackers, they can fly anyway they want,while complaining about guys who like to take bases.
That type of flying is what I call "picking".
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The only point I got is that you felt a compulsion to insult me and couldn't control yourself.
Try not to take it to personally Steve, he tries to do it to everyone...Every BBS needs a poo slinging "thread stalker" I suppose... :O
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There is absolutely no good tactical reason to be the 4th guy dogpiling someone... None.
There is no good reason to be the 3rd guy in. :aok
Almost forgot to mention one of my few forays into the MW arena: I was accused of picking simply because I had more altitude than the other guy, even though we were alone! :rolleyes:
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It's the nature of the MA and it isn't going to change dramatically.
That being said, I have two versions I dislike.
1-I'm locked in a nice fight with a badun and he's working his way towards a kill and one of his team mates comes in and blasts me.
2-I'm locked in nice fight with a badun and I'm working my way towards a kill and one of my team mates comes in and blasts him.
I get it when a squaddie comes in and saves me or the badun's squaddie comes in and saves him. But when either the guy fighting me or myself has the edge and one of our team mates swoops in and steals our work, just doesn't need to happen.
Talk about discouraging.
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A squaddie is tangling down low with two cons and they have a lot of E. Im rtb after dropping ord at two nearby bases. There are a lot of bish 'squeekers' there too but they dont see my squaddie...yet. My squaddie asks for a hand on range so I drop in from about 5k (I was expecting to land soon). I see an La7 and a Niki. The sqeekers hear the call to and head over. One of them is saying something like 'I dont ever pick because its just not right.' My squaddie stays down low but the two cons zoom to a little more than 3k for the Niki and 5k for the La7 thinking no one has their energy. The La7 doesnt even see me because he is looking at the squeeker that just said he would never pick. I start up to him and when he sees me he rolls completely inverted and starts down. I shoot him in the head and he explodes just as the squeeker shoots hits me and loses his rudder. The Niki blows his pass on the squeeker and also rolls out in front of me and also gets hit in the head is wounded and has half his wing missing. The squeeker rams him trying to get a shot. Im laughing and slipping in to land. :D
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I love a good pick, winter seems like the best time. Why just a few hours ago I got one the size of my fingernail! I was really surprised it fit through my nostril :lol
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Mmm, I'm not a guy who feels the need to justify my methods but thanks for playing. I have fun. I prefer to get along but I understand a few turds like you will float up in the bowl now and then. No doubt you get all your kills 1v1 or worse and you are always low, far away from your base or help. WTG, you're a much better stick than I. Like I said, I have fun. :aok
The only point I got is that you felt a compulsion to insult me and couldn't control yourself.
Oh forgive me mighty one...with your response to 1boner of:
"I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. "
I had no idea that this was what one typed when they were "trying to get along"? From seeing you rant on ch 200 about being ho'd/rammed, I assumed you were actually a "not get along" kind of guy. I stand corrected sir!!!
<S> to a "get along" kind of guy from a "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" kind of guy
:noid
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It's the nature of the MA and it isn't going to change dramatically.
That being said, I have two versions I dislike.
2-I'm locked in nice fight with a badun and I'm working my way towards a kill and one of his team mates comes in and blasts me.
I did that to AKAK a few minutes ago... he was working this guy over, after already killing one. AKAK was on top of a furball with my teammate 1v1. The furball was quite low but I knew the 38 would kill the guy and then be alone on top of the fight. So I told my teammate that the 38 has to go.
It was kind of a tweener: he was 1v1, but was slightly over a deck furball. I saw him already get one kill and knew he was going to kill the other guy. The thought of leaving an obviously dangerous opponent on top didn't seem so good so I shot him off my teammate. AKAK wasn't very high, just to be clear, but he was a smidge higher than the rest of the fight. I felt a twinge of guilt..but it seemed, and seems, like it was the prudent thing to do. AKAK is a good stick and always a gentleman in the game.... sorry dude.. sort of.
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Try not to take it to personally Steve, he tries to do it to everyone...Every BBS needs a poo slinging "thread stalker" I suppose... :O
Ahhh...when you get owned by prose, i guess this is the next line of attack.
No Zazen, I just can't bear the arrogant textbooks you type on the BBS about gameplay...especially coming from someone who plays the game in a very limited way. Of course you admitting in the "knight" thread that you use dual accounts...one only for Bish...was a bonus and I can understand why you feel frustrated now...
Sorry to frustrate you... :devil
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Oh forgive me mighty one...with your response to 1boner of:
"I do this almost every night. I fly for the team with the lowest numbers and I try to find a friendly base that is getting swarmed. I then fly alone to the source of the horde(typically the closest enemy base) and rain on their vulch parade. You'd be surprised how one guy can clog up the vulch conveyer by loitering over the horde's home hive.
I'm a base baiter, big time. Hate me. "
I had no idea that this was what one typed when they were "trying to get along"? From seeing you rant on ch 200 about being ho'd/rammed, I assumed you were actually a "not get along" kind of guy. I stand corrected sir!!!
<S> to a "get along" kind of guy from a "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" kind of guy
:noid
You are looking for a fight or just enjoy spewing insults.. if it's the former, I'm not interested. If it's the latter, spew on but I'm still not interested. Have a nice weekend.
Steve
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I wish HTC would introduce ENY for a certain area of the map, it would reduce alot of the hording.
For example, if you take off from a base that has 20 more guys than the enemy does in a certain area, your eny is elevated beyond what it is from the norm. Likewise, if you take off into a horde of red your eny on login is reduced or eliminated.
You can always take off 4-5 sectors away to avoid eny issues, but it is still a better solution than what we have now.
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Ahhh...when you get owned by prose, i guess this is the next line of attack.
No Zazen, I just can't bear the arrogant textbooks you type on the BBS about gameplay...especially coming from someone who plays the game in a very limited way. Of course you admitting in the "knight" thread that you use dual accounts...one only for Bish...was a bonus and I can understand why you feel frustrated now...
Sorry to frustrate you... :devil
No offense, but you're dellusional if you think you owned anyone with your "prose" because you fling poo and make snide, usually off-topic remarks. You also don't in any way, shape or form frustrate me, you do however amuse, bemuse and successfully elicit my pity, but not frustrate. Also, if you don't like reading what I write why in the hell would you impose that self-inflicted pain by reading it? It's like people pissing and moaning about 200, but are glued to it and make it a point to stick their nose in every conversation...
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No offense, but you're dellusional if you think you owned anyone with your "prose" because you fling poo and make snide, usually off-topic remarks. You also don't in any way, shape or form frustrate me, you do however amuse, bemuse and successfully elicit my pity, but not frustrate. Also, if you don't like reading what I write why in the hell would you impose that self-inflicted pain by reading it? It's like people pissing and moaning about 200, but are glued to it and make it a point to stick their nose in every conversation...
You write like Jesse Jackson....amuse, bemuse....more like confuse....TOO many words for TOO little content..
No offense Rev Jackson...(on second thought if the Rev is reading this..then offense!)
Please feel free to link me to me "slinging poo"? I think this is your way of saying "debate with you using facts". For someone who enjoys the witty reparte, you break down fairly easily under very little fire.
Now a few thoughts for you:
1. I left you in the "knight" thread where you still have yet to prove who the "bop score monkeys" are...
2. I ignored you in this thread until you jumped in on me (unless your Steve's life partner and I violated your non-marriage pact in a way that required your defense)
3. I responded the way I did with Steve because 1Boner is my squaddie who was trying to participate in a thread about defining picking AND Steve chose to suggest that 1boner may be a whiny vulcher/hoarder type that Steve enjoys making him "hate him".
AND techinically since Steve (or Steven as you call him) responded by likining me to a non-flushable turd...then HE is the one closest to "flinging poo." A zoological reference that is not exactly accurate..but feel free to continue to use it in the common context
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Man, I gotta work on my material, I thought I get one or two with that one :cry
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You write like Jesse Jackson....amuse, bemuse....more like confuse....TOO many words for TOO little content..
No offense Rev Jackson...(on second thought if the Rev is reading this..then offense!)
Please feel free to link me to me "slinging poo"? I think this is your way of saying "debate with you using facts". For someone who enjoys the witty reparte, you break down fairly easily under very little fire.
Now a few thoughts for you:
1. I left you in the "knight" thread where you still have yet to prove who the "bop score monkeys" are...
2. I ignored you in this thread until you jumped in on me (unless your Steve's life partner and I violated your non-marriage pact in a way that required your defense)
3. I responded the way I did with Steve because 1Boner is my squaddie who was trying to participate in a thread about defining picking AND Steve chose to suggest that 1boner may be a whiny vulcher/hoarder type that Steve enjoys making him "hate him".
AND techinically since Steve (or Steven as you call him) responded by likining me to a non-flushable turd...then HE is the one closest to "flinging poo." A zoological reference that is not exactly accurate..but feel free to continue to use it in the common context
:rofl :rofl :rofl
These last few post in this thread proves my point. Whether you personally like my writing style or not I make every possible effort to post and reply in such a way as to encourage debate and discourse on the topic at hand. When you post or reply it's almost invariably to simply fling poo at people you have a personal issue with for whatever reason. When you post in this fashion you force people to either acquiesce to your slanderous/libellous and grossly inaccurate remarks or defend themselves. This has a toilet bowl effect on every thread you touch, taking focus away from the topic others were enjoying and turning it into a pursefight rife with personal attacks that are both inappropriate and off-topic...
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These last few post in this thread proves my point. Whether you personally like my writing style or not I make every possible effort to post and reply in such a way as to encourage debate and discourse on the topic at hand. When you post or reply it's almost invariably to simply fling poo at people you have a personal issue with for whatever reason. When you post in this fashion you force people to either acquiesce to your slanderous/libellous and grossly inaccurate remarks or defend themselves. This has a toilet bowl effect on every thread you touch, taking focus away from the topic others were enjoying and turning it into a pursefight rife with personal attacks that are both inappropriate and off-topic...
Since you and I know nothing about each other save the bbs and the game...I am unclear how any attacks can be personal?
You post sweeping generalizations that apply labels to ENTIRE countries and critique styles of gameplay. If me stating that is "personal" to you then you have a remarkably thin skin. If me pointing out that you choose to participate in only a small portion of the game and yet seem to consider yourself an expert in all aspects is personal..then perhaps posting your editorials is not a good way for you to go...
And if me pointing out that you make statements that have no iota of truth behind them seems personal...then perhaps you should be cautious in what you choose to post. ("BoP scorepotatos, poo slinging, etc)
:noid
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Since you and I know nothing about each other save the bbs and the game...I am unclear how any attacks can be personal?
You post sweeping generalizations that apply labels to ENTIRE countries and critique styles of gameplay. If me stating that is "personal" to you then you have a remarkably thin skin. If me pointing out that you choose to participate in only a small portion of the game and yet seem to consider yourself an expert in all aspects is personal..then perhaps posting your editorials is not a good way for you to go...
And if me pointing out that you make statements that have no iota of truth behind them seems personal...then perhaps you should be cautious in what you choose to post. ("BoP scorepotatos, poo slinging, etc)
:noid
I'm just curious why I keep seeing falcnwing in so many threads about how Bish tend to hoard undefended bases.
(disclaimer: Not all Bish do, sure there are plenty of Bish that don't, all side pretty much the "same", your $14.95, blah, blah, blah)
I have seen 2-3 threads the past month or two that Falc ended up picking fights with people on this topic. I know it's not "always" the case, but it is becoming the norm as opposed to the exception. (the noe massive hoard base take that is)
The BOP's have historically done this. Have for years. Many other Bish squads do this (Jokers, Rolling, etc, etc) and I'm not singling out the BOPs in particular. (you can also find this behavior on Rooks and Knits, but it seems more prevelant on the Bish side)
Yes you have a much higher chance or takin' the field if you go in a huge hoard NOE and toolshed a field that is not defended.
Yes if all you care about is that base capture and "Winning the War" this is the tactic for you.
Yes you do end up being cannon fodder generally when you actually have to fight for the field and the nme resists.
Yes they tend to slink away to the next undefended field when they nme starts fighting back.
None of the above is speculation, or conjecture. I've seen 'em do it for years and years now. "Bish move on to another field if you defend" has pretty much become like "Rooks fly at high alt". They just "do". It is just how it is. (see above disclaimer)
Which makes me wanna ask Falc.
1. are you ashamed about it so that is why you pick so many BBS fights on the subject?
2. just why ARE you defending toolshedding?
I love a good base take. I can often be found rallying help for a base capture. I just tend to preferr if the bad guys try to resist. When we are otw a field to try and capture it and I see a huge dar bar up to resist I almost always go "Woot!". A common thing to see me type on Country is "sector x,x just got 'FUN'" For me, it's more satisfying if they fight back. Kinda like "earning" it if you will. I love even odds, or even slightly out numbered, and you STILL take it because ya' out fought 'em.
But I digress...
So just why ARE you picking fights on this subject Falc?
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I'm just curious why I keep seeing falcnwing in so many threads about how Bish tend to hoard undefended bases.
(disclaimer: Not all Bish do, sure there are plenty of Bish that don't, all side pretty much the "same", your $14.95, blah, blah, blah)
I have seen 2-3 threads the past month or two that Falc ended up picking fights with people on this topic. I know it's not "always" the case, but it is becoming the norm as opposed to the exception. (the noe massive hoard base take that is)
The BOP's have historically done this. Have for years. Many other Bish squads do this (Jokers, Rolling, etc, etc) and I'm not singling out the BOPs in particular. (you can also find this behavior on Rooks and Knits, but it seems more prevelant on the Bish side)
Yes you have a much higher chance or takin' the field if you go in a huge hoard NOE and toolshed a field that is not defended.
Yes if all you care about is that base capture and "Winning the War" this is the tactic for you.
Yes you do end up being cannon fodder generally when you actually have to fight for the field and the nme resists.
Yes they tend to slink away to the next undefended field when they nme starts fighting back.
None of the above is speculation, or conjecture. I've seen 'em do it for years and years now. "Bish move on to another field if you defend" has pretty much become like "Rooks fly at high alt". They just "do". It is just how it is. (see above disclaimer)
Which makes me wanna ask Falc.
1. are you ashamed about it so that is why you pick so many BBS fights on the subject?
2. just why ARE you defending toolshedding?
I love a good base take. I can often be found rallying help for a base capture. I just tend to preferr if the bad guys try to resist. When we are otw a field to try and capture it and I see a huge dar bar up to resist I almost always go "Woot!". A common thing to see me type on Country is "sector x,x just got 'FUN'" For me, it's more satisfying if they fight back. Kinda like "earning" it if you will. I love even odds, or even slightly out numbered, and you STILL take it because ya' out fought 'em.
But I digress...
So just why ARE you picking fights on this subject Falc?
If i have started a thread about this Lute feel free to reference it. But if what you have observed is that i defend noe as a legitimate strategy to capture fields and not a "newbie, hoarding, afraid of failure" technique then you are correct!!! :aok
What IS confusing to me is how YOU would interpret me being a vigorous defender of NOE or basetaking missions would suggest I am somehow ashamed of it???
If you actually pay attention to what my position is..it is simple:
ALL styles of gameplay are legitimate and to criticize one over another is arrogant and reflects an intolerance of others fun.
Hope that clears it up for you and that your peers don't suggest that if you defend a position you are somehow embarrassed by it... :salute
BTW even your post above reflects the attitude that I find insulting...perhaps some find it more fun to "out think" then "out fight". Perhaps some enjoy the strategy and group accomplishment over individual goals. Perhaps "slinking" is not a great way to phrase regrouping and rethinking a strategy.
Well I am off to the lake so i wont be able to respond for 48 hours give or take...Have fun :rock
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who took my dead horse beatdown stick?
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who took my dead horse beatdown stick?
As near as I can tell, Falcon wing sat on it and made it disappear.
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As near as I can tell, Falcon wing sat on it and made it disappear.
:rofl
gross.
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Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post. (no point now as it's quoted)
Fly how ya' want. I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention. You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.
I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.
(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)
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Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post. (no point now as it's quoted)
Fly how ya' want. I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention. You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.
I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.
(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)
because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it. in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)
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I'm just curious why I keep seeing falcnwing in so many threads about how Bish tend to hoard undefended bases.
(disclaimer: Not all Bish do, sure there are plenty of Bish that don't, all side pretty much the "same", your $14.95, blah, blah, blah)
I have seen 2-3 threads the past month or two that Falc ended up picking fights with people on this topic. I know it's not "always" the case, but it is becoming the norm as opposed to the exception. (the noe massive hoard base take that is)
The BOP's have historically done this. Have for years. Many other Bish squads do this (Jokers, Rolling, etc, etc) and I'm not singling out the BOPs in particular. (you can also find this behavior on Rooks and Knits, but it seems more prevelant on the Bish side)
Yes you have a much higher chance or takin' the field if you go in a huge hoard NOE and toolshed a field that is not defended.
Yes if all you care about is that base capture and "Winning the War" this is the tactic for you.
Yes you do end up being cannon fodder generally when you actually have to fight for the field and the nme resists.
Yes they tend to slink away to the next undefended field when they nme starts fighting back.
None of the above is speculation, or conjecture. I've seen 'em do it for years and years now. "Bish move on to another field if you defend" has pretty much become like "Rooks fly at high alt". They just "do". It is just how it is. (see above disclaimer)
Which makes me wanna ask Falc.
1. are you ashamed about it so that is why you pick so many BBS fights on the subject?
2. just why ARE you defending toolshedding?
I love a good base take. I can often be found rallying help for a base capture. I just tend to preferr if the bad guys try to resist. When we are otw a field to try and capture it and I see a huge dar bar up to resist I almost always go "Woot!". A common thing to see me type on Country is "sector x,x just got 'FUN'" For me, it's more satisfying if they fight back. Kinda like "earning" it if you will. I love even odds, or even slightly out numbered, and you STILL take it because ya' out fought 'em.
But I digress...
So just why ARE you picking fights on this subject Falc?
Falconwng, please read this excellent post about 500 times, then print it out and tape it to the wall beside your toilet so you can read it while you're actually "thinking". No offense intended but, I think it's possible you have lost any sense of objectivity you may have had toward what you are doing on the BBS and in-game. The disparity between what you are actually doing and what you think you are doing is greater than the almost infinite span of the known universe...
I also think you are grossly misunderstanding the intent of creating debate on these forums. When we debate a topic, it is always with the benevolent intent of ultimately bettering the gaming experience for everyone. Examples will always be drawn from the actual MA experience to illustrate points in order to further the discussion and provide a more concrete basis for comparison. Where you go wrong is taking that as an open invitation to basically hi-jack the thread, rudely critique people's writing style?!?, and generally fling poo in the form of off-topic personal insults. This offers nothing to the community, the thread's debate or yourself. All it does is make you look like an antagonistic dolt and ruins the discussion for the other people that were enjoying it thoroughly up until that point. So, please stop doing it, for your own sake if for no other reason...I am done with you until you choose to stop with this disruptive "thread stalker" behavior...
Take care and have a nice life... :rock
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because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it. in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)
It is the easiest and most efficient way to do it, no arguments there. But, if we all took the easiest "path of least resistance" in this manner we'd all be better off just playing offline as we'd never have occassion to fight each other at all anyway...Fortunately for the game, not everyone does milk-horde...yet... :O
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because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it. in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)
Ok, i'll grant that "sneaky" is indeed a tactic. So is "running" when you see bad guys.
I would call it "avoiding" as opposed to sneaking.
But when you DO have enemy show up you are in trouble as you basically don't have a clue what to do when they fight back. (except to die in droves or continue "sneaking" to the next field where none of them pesky bad guys are)
But there isn't any "out thinking" what so ever going on w/ this tactic.
I supposed you CAN postulate that you are "out thinking" the drones offline when you kill them, or you are "out thinking" the auto ack when you milkrun an undefended field, but let's please quit kidding ourselves by saying there is any strategy involved in a NOE hoard to an undefended field.
Looking at the map and picking a field where there is the least chance for the nme to mount a defence is neither difficult, nor requires much in the way strategy.
Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic. Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar. Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.
THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.
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Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic. Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar. Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.
THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.
Lute, I'm going to be really honest with you here. This literally brought a tear to my eye. It reminds me so much of Martin Luther King's, "I Have a Dream", speech. Sadly, this will never happen, especially while the HUGE maps rule the roost. The addiction the "win the war" types have to "the path of least resistance" is worse than heroin or crack.
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Are we back to "The definition of picking" yet??
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Are we back to "The definition of picking" yet??
I think this thread has been pretty much "picked" clean by infamous "thread stalking" hijacker. :noid
I am developing a topic of discussion for a new thread though as an antithesis to these last few hijacked ones, "The Ancient Chinese Art of Poo-flinging...Tips and Tricks". There's so much material to draw from now. It should be a great discussion so long as Falconwng and ghi bless us with their presence and share their deeply profound wellspring of knowledge on the subject. :uhoh
Just Joking! :aok
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Hmmm.
Personally I feel the whole designation of "picking" is irrelevant. It is a way for a player to somehow excuse his own failure. ie...passing the buck. (something that modern western society, especially in USA is becoming extremly good at)It really doesnt matter how you got shot down, picked, HOed, crashed while picking your nose, whatever. In the end it is always your own fault. Either you failed to spot the incoming attack, failed to have enough altitude or airspeed, zigged when you should have zagged, or any of a multitude of other little mistakes that all add up to your enemy getting your scalp. Every situation that can possibly occur has a counter to it that will turn the tables and allow you to live. The great aces are the ones who excell at finding those answers most consistantly.
So for me, if I absolutely must come up with a defination for "Picking". Then it has to be shooting someone who is tailing another plane already.
Opinions are like.....
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Has anyone else noticed a difference in consistency when you've not had much sleep?
I only ask because I've got some really dry ones after the scenario this morning...
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Has anyone else noticed a difference in consistency when you've not had much sleep?
I only ask because I've got some really dry ones after the scenario this morning...
Sleep deprivation has many symptoms that could make you stink. Poor short-term memory retention (SA), diminished articulated fine motor control (flying), slower reaction time and reflexes (flying). To top it off your brain literally runs slower as certain pathways between neurotransmitters and receptors weaken as brain chemistry is altered. So, you interpet and react to spacial information a lot slower than you normally would which could mess with your aim and timing.
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Ok, i'll grant that "sneaky" is indeed a tactic. So is "running" when you see bad guys.
so is flying in high with 2-3 wingies in a nikki, SO IS PM'ING POEPLE'S LOCATIONS in Koth...but i guess we all have our own "things to be ashamed off, eh Lute...nudge nudge wink wink...say no more..know what i mean :devil
I would call it "avoiding" as opposed to sneaking.
But when you DO have enemy show up you are in trouble as you basically don't have a clue what to do when they fight back. (except to die in droves or continue "sneaking" to the next field where none of them pesky bad guys are)
you must be mentally challenged...or have a completely biased in-game experience.....you DO comprehend that one needs TROOPS to capture a BASE in AH right? You DO know that the town stays down a very limited time now so it only takes a few determined defenders to prevent a base take??? And for the missons i have been involved with many more opponents die...but the fact that the opponents field is there...they can reup over and over until they finish the mission off...AGAIN you are remarkably condescending about a style of play you obvious have no insight into. But then again my experience with your MA style of fighting is a high nikki with wingmen hovering near or inbetween a field. Tell ya what...why dont you post on ch 200...hey im here with 4 guys at 10k come kill us and see how you do.
But there isn't any "out thinking" what so ever going on w/ this tactic.
well if you show up at the base and the enemy hasnt "thought" to up....hmmm
I supposed you CAN postulate that you are "out thinking" the drones offline when you kill them, or you are "out thinking" the auto ack when you milkrun an undefended field, but let's please quit kidding ourselves by saying there is any strategy involved in a NOE hoard to an undefended field.
if there is no strategy then it cannot work...maybe you need to look up the word "think" and
"strategy".....
Looking at the map and picking a field where there is the least chance for the nme to mount a defence is neither difficult, nor requires much in the way strategy.
Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic. Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar. Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.
Im sorry...that would be silly and give you pleasure. Why don't you up spit1s and head into enmey bases low and slow. Let me know when this is good for you. :rofl :rofl :rofl
THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.
THAT takes POOR planning, tactics, and skill
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Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post. (no point now as it's quoted)
Fly how ya' want. I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention. You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.
COOL! Hows about you shut it and quit responding in a derogatory way???
I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.
(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)
oh never mind here we go again
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Falconwng, please read this excellent post about 500 times, then print it out and tape it to the wall beside your toilet so you can read it while you're actually "thinking". No offense intended but, I think it's possible you have lost any sense of objectivity you may have had toward what you are doing on the BBS and in-game. The disparity between what you are actually doing and what you think you are doing is greater than the almost infinite span of the known universe...
I also think you are grossly misunderstanding the intent of creating debate on these forums. When we debate a topic, it is always with the benevolent intent of ultimately bettering the gaming experience for everyone. Examples will always be drawn from the actual MA experience to illustrate points in order to further the discussion and provide a more concrete basis for comparison. Where you go wrong is taking that as an open invitation to basically hi-jack the thread, rudely critique people's writing style?!?, and generally fling poo in the form of off-topic personal insults. This offers nothing to the community, the thread's debate or yourself. All it does is make you look like an antagonistic dolt and ruins the discussion for the other people that were enjoying it thoroughly up until that point. So, please stop doing it, for your own sake if for no other reason...I am done with you until you choose to stop with this disruptive "thread stalker" behavior...
Take care and have a nice life... :rock
Oh trust me I know why you post your endless drivel...because you are convinced you are somehow smarter than the rest of us. Unfortunately the minute someone disagrees with you then THEY are wrong. Dude have you ever missed a thread about countries where you didnt post that crap about "rooks are honorable furballers, bish are toolshedders and knights are somewhere inbetween"???? I dont always respond to you because it is so overly simplistic it defies reason. I always hope that since you have posted the same poor prose for years, that you might be struck with a unique or valid thought...an insight if you will...
So continue to use your second account and be proud of yourself...really i am still shaking my head over that one :rofl :furious :rofl
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falc if youre going to triple post at least have the decency to have bouncing breats in your avatar
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Some of that they use to call Fight vulcing. I remember someone jumped me once and called me a vulcher among other things. I told him to be quieit, I vulched you fair and square. :rofl
If I see 3 guys on one plane I stay out for the most part especially if I have alt. I figure my duty becomes protecting them from being vulched.
When you see 6 or 7 guys on one con and and a full dar of enemy coming those 6 or 7 are as good as dead.
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so is flying in high with 2-3 wingies in a nikki, SO IS PM'ING POEPLE'S LOCATIONS in Koth...but i guess we all have our own "things to be ashamed off, eh Lute...nudge nudge wink wink...say no more..know what i mean
Actually, the above two statments is proof beyond anything else just how ignorant you are. There isn't even the slightest shred of fact in either of the above statments.
I guess the "niki" comment boils down to the fact you dont' have a clue how someone could fly and fight w/o many wingmen to bail you out, being that you yourself have to fly in a pack to stay alive or die quickly.
You're an easy kill.
Always have been, and apparently always will be.
Me on the other hand you will typically find nose on to the nearest large nme dar bar, solo more times than not, getting kills, and landing them. It's more common to find me fighting 2-4 nme's solo than the other way around. (something you will probably never be able to say)
As far as the KOTH bit, it has been discussed in public about as much as I am willing to have it, and "take" on it is 100% wrong. In fact, lemme take a moment to comment just how retarded that accusation is. During a KOTH, if you need a players location, you simply type .wingman (player ID) and voila, you now have their location. The whole idea that anybody would have to "p.m." a players location when one can simply .wingman them is ludicrious. It is open information that can be had at any time by any player. 'Bout all I am gonna say on that subject.
Tell ya what...why dont you post on ch 200...hey im here with 4 guys at 10k come kill us and see how you do.
I'd do, and have done, quite well actually. Don't ya' wish you could say the same?
you DO comprehend that one needs TROOPS to capture a BASE in AH right? You DO know that the town stays down a very limited time now so it only takes a few determined defenders to prevent a base take???
My point exactly. Surround yourself with dweebs that have little to no clue how to fight, and just a few defenders WILL prevent your massive hoard from taking a base. There is a reason I can take a field when we are outnumbered, or vs. even odds, and you and yours will fail almost every time in that same situaion. That is the downside to flying only in huge packs and never really figuring out how to fight, when some opponents do show up, you fail because you and yours never acumulated the skill to fight it out. Which is why more times than not, you will move on. Not because that base CAN'T be taken, but it can't be taken by you and yours.
Me on the other hand, i'm generally the one outnumbered, both on offence and defence, yet still manage to be successfull. Again, there is a reason that is true, but I doubt you'll ever figure it out. (at least you've not been able to in the years that i've known ya') We DID the "try to stop the BOP hoard on squad night" thing in the past. I had half (or less) of your numbers and stopped you cold all night. In fact, IIRC y'all lost a base.
Let's just agree to disagree m'kay? You obviously are never going to "get it" and it is really is a shame. Stick with your tactics of avoiding fights and keep dying in droves when I or others like me up defend. It's a win-win situation really. I get 20-30 planes dying many times over and tons of kills, you and yours eventually get the field capture from sheer numbers alone and can high five and smack each others backsides saying "WTG" to cover up the fact 5-10 planes slaughered your 20-30 for the past hour.
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WMLute you are a hypocrite...alwys have been always will be....i may not have mastered the art of the virtual cartoon airplane as much as you have...but see i play this as a game and NOT as a "way of life"....
I may be an easy kill for some but for MOST I am not...I'm okay with that...I dont think you would be....but then i didnt help cheat at KoTH as long as you may have..,,perhaps you have other boundaries you cross as well...all im saying... :devil
(actually see below post as well)
What IS clear is you exposing yourself....you don't like other peoples tactics....you think you KNOW the right and wrong way to play. You are pompous about it and I called you out and know you don't like it. Sorry bud,,,try this...stay out of threads you dont know anything about....and if you join in do it honestly and stop pretending to ask a question that is really an insult. May work better.
Then we can continue what I already do to you in the MA...ignore you (and get a giggle when i find your little pick crew over a base and nail a few of you). See I fly for fun and comraderie...thats it...when either stops so will I. But it wont be from idiots who have a RIGHT and WRONG way to play a video game. :cool:
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Actually, the above two statments is proof beyond anything else just how ignorant you are. There isn't even the slightest shred of fact in either of the above statments.
besides kicking your butt and wrags, proploss in encounters I have no idea :rofl
I guess the "niki" comment boils down to the fact you dont' have a clue how someone could fly and fight w/o many wingmen to bail you out, being that you yourself have to fly in a pack to stay alive or die quickly.
yeah..you can always be high in a uber turner with huge cannon and have 2 -3 guys to help you...<cough> <cough>
As far as the KOTH bit, it has been discussed in public about as much as I am willing to have it, and "take" on it is 100% wrong. In fact, lemme take a moment to comment just how retarded that accusation is. During a KOTH, if you need a players location, you simply type .wingman (player ID) and voila, you now have their location. The whole idea that anybody would have to "p.m." a players location when one can simply .wingman them is ludicrious. It is open information that can be had at any time by any player. 'Bout all I am gonna say on that subject.
Thought the screen shots spoke for themselves..i agree you have NOTHING remaining to say about it
Let's just agree to disagree m'kay? You obviously are never going to "get it" and it is really is a shame. Stick with your tactics of avoiding fights and keep dying in droves when I or others like me up defend. It's a win-win situation really. I get 20-30 planes dying many times over and tons of kills, you and yours eventually get the field capture from sheer numbers alone and can high five and smack each others backsides saying "WTG" to cover up the fact 5-10 planes slaughered your 20-30 for the past hour.
All i can say after a quick review of your personal and sqauds score is WTG. You are truly a score dweeb!!! You are the number 2 Bomber!!! AMAZING! Your squad has 4 captures in attack mode!!!! Wow...were the troops in a nikki??? You have damage in ground vehicle mode...wow!!! So I am getting crap from a score dweeb who orchestrates captures in "attack" mode. Your a gamer WmLute...embrace it...own it...and be careful...your soapbox is VERY VERY flimsy. :rolleyes:
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Lute please stop feeding the troll. He will quickly lose interest and return to eating babies and furiously spanking-off instead of inflicting upon us contorted artifacts of his cruelly tortured and psychopathically paranoid psyche...;)
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Maybe my opinion is wrong but here is it anyhow. Falcon or Lute are not the 'best stick in the game' in a pure dogfighting sense. Both of them have alot to say on the forum.
Lute you are just as likely to get in on a vulch fest as falcon is, except when you do it is oppertunistic as you personally did not take the time to fly a mission there. Most of us will get in on the dweeb action if we get a chance, the peak time MA is chaos and only the cunning survive. You are here trying to pass yourself off as some die hard furballer when in reality Falc is right, you do enjoy playing for rank all accross the board this is evident from your score cards. But why do you feel ashamed to admit that if you enjoy it?
The one big difference I see is that while Falcon does play with a large group of friends and often partakes in 'dweeby' MA tactics he has NEVER ONCE lied about it or tried to pretend he is something he is not. I have been shot down by falcon in the thickest of furballs but i dont mind...when i shoot him down he does not ever have or need an excuse.
Why not sort it out with a few friendly duels in some crappy ride and see if you can learn to like each other for the things you share about the game.
S! to you both, honesty is my weakness at times, so dont take this post as anything more than my honest opinion.
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falc if youre going to triple post at least have the decency to have bouncing breats in your avatar
:rofl Gotta love it !! :D
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Maybe my opinion is wrong but here is it anyhow. Falcon or Lute are not the 'best stick in the game' in a pure dogfighting sense. Both of them have alot to say on the forum.
Lute you are just as likely to get in on a vulch fest as falcon is, except when you do it is oppertunistic as you personally did not take the time to fly a mission there. Most of us will get in on the dweeb action if we get a chance, the peak time MA is chaos and only the cunning survive. You are here trying to pass yourself off as some die hard furballer when in reality Falc is right, you do enjoy playing for rank all accross the board this is evident from your score cards. But why do you feel ashamed to admit that if you enjoy it?
The one big difference I see is that while Falcon does play with a large group of friends and often partakes in 'dweeby' MA tactics he has NEVER ONCE lied about it or tried to pretend he is something he is not. I have been shot down by falcon in the thickest of furballs but i dont mind...when i shoot him down he does not ever have or need an excuse.
Why not sort it out with a few friendly duels in some crappy ride and see if you can learn to like each other for the things you share about the game.
S! to you both, honesty is my weakness at times, so dont take this post as anything more than my honest opinion.
Here are my "ranks" for that past year, starting with last month.
192
60
801 (still moving)
803 (moving)
189
72
192
126
17
13
38
65
Now THIS month i'm ranked 9th or some such thing. The ONLY thing I did diff. is I flew a goon a couple times early in the month and got a bomber capture or two which is rare for me. You really want me in the air in a fighter instead of a goon, but nobody else was avail so I flew it. Take out the two months I was moving and I average @ 100 ish for "rank" during the past year. At any time the past year (or three) I could have flown a goon or 2 and gotten in the top 10-20. (the two month i'm 13th and 17th I had 2 bomber captures) I have what... 6 ish bomber captures for the past year? I could really care less about my rank.
I have done zip to get a "low rank". Nothing. Nada. I neither try to get a low rank, nor do a single thing to 'get' a low rank. Rank is a joke, and in my whole squad there is maybe ONE person who gives a flip about it. If we talk at all about "scores" it's about k/d ratios, not overall rank. It is rare for me to even look to see what my rank is. Now stats I pay some attention to, but overall rank? Not really no.
I also have never tried to pass myself off as a diehard furballer. I love a fight, I really do. I'd rather loose a great fight than win 20 ezy ones. I ALSO love a good base take. 'Good' being one you have to fight for. No fun if they don't at least TRY to fight back. In a perfect world I get a nice prolonged base defence vs. a hoard that turns into a huge fight where we push them back to their field and end up capturing it... now THAT is fun to me.
I enjoy most facets of this game, and I wouldn't put myself in any one catagory. (I even GV somewhat, but find spawn camping a trifle "dull")
BUT to say I fly for rank, care about rank, or do anything at all to achieve a low rank is just "silly".
(just about as dumb as anybody saying I "cheated" in KOTH. the whole concept is rediculous)