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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: slipknot on July 28, 2008, 09:34:56 AM
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A president whose only real platform is his skin color could actually benefit this nation... Here is how:
1.) A little bit of 'okay, let's do it your way' might go a long way with global public opinion. It would be a wasted 4 years, of course, but after this period, we could settle into a more pragmatic form of foreign policy with the added credability of having tried to do things differently.
2.) This nation's addiction to political correctness can be satiated, once and for all. Obama can be the equivalent of a drug overdose for those segments of our society that can't bare to act freely and practically out of fear of offending somebody. His 4 years may well get done, in one short, painful period, what would otherwise take an eternity of gradual societal castration.
A bitter but quick pill, and one that this nation has longed to take can, in fact, make clear to the entire nation the folly of the path we've been slowly treading for decades. After the pill has been digested and excreted, we can all sober up and get back to business.
Doubt I would vote for him either way, but for the sake of helping a doomed social experiment die faster, maybe 4 years of Obama might accomplish something. Frankly, I think the sacrifice might be worth it if it gets the PC movement out of our collective system, once and for all.
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Yes, but it's a fact that Obamaman will just blame all of the problems that he causes on Boosch.
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1.) A little bit of 'okay, let's do it your way' might go a long way with global public opinion. It would be a wasted 4 years, of course, but after this period, we could settle into a more pragmatic form of foreign policy with the added credability of having tried to do things differently.
And the past 8 years haven't been a waste how again?
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A president whose only real platform is his skin color could actually benefit this nation... Here is how:
1.) A little bit of 'okay, let's do it your way' might go a long way with global public opinion. It would be a wasted 4 years, of course, but after this period, we could settle into a more pragmatic form of foreign policy with the added credability of having tried to do things differently.
2.) This nation's addiction to political correctness can be satiated, once and for all. Obama can be the equivalent of a drug overdose for those segments of our society that can't bare to act freely and practically out of fear of offending somebody. His 4 years may well get done, in one short, painful period, what would otherwise take an eternity of gradual societal castration.
A bitter but quick pill, and one that this nation has longed to take can, in fact, make clear to the entire nation the folly of the path we've been slowly treading for decades. After the pill has been digested and excreted, we can all sober up and get back to business.
Doubt I would vote for him either way, but for the sake of helping a doomed social experiment die faster, maybe 4 years of Obama might accomplish something. Frankly, I think the sacrifice might be worth it if it gets the PC movement out of our collective system, once and for all.
As to 1, I would change that to 8 years. It seems' that anymore, no matter how awful the administration, the incumbent is a dead ringer to win re-election.
As to 2, I really doubt that. If anything, it stands' to get worse, due to the almost certain empowerment of those who favor PCism during his tenure, thus ensuring that it will be a part of his legacy.
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I don't want a cut & run president with foreign policy.
I want a "wow, your a mass murdering slimeball that just might WMD (maybe) and who threatens his neighbors..then you might be NEXT" president.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Play Whack-A-Mole with those who deserve it.
What's that prayer? Protect those who cannot protect themselves?
No rookies for president, thank you.
ROX
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No rookies for president, thank you.
TDR and JFK were rookies too...
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I don't want a cut & run president with foreign policy.
I want a "wow, your a mass murdering slimeball that just might WMD (maybe) and who threatens his neighbors..then you might be NEXT" president.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Play Whack-A-Mole with those who deserve it.
What's that prayer? Protect those who cannot protect themselves?
No rookies for president, thank you.
ROX
Stinky bait, at best.
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I think we may be stuck with Obama whether we like it or not. Those who vote for him will never ever agree electing him was bad even if we were to join the EU. I'm afraid it's just a lose/lose situation.
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I think we may be stuck with Obama whether we like it or not. Those who vote for him will never ever agree electing him was bad even if we were to join the EU. I'm afraid it's just a lose/lose situation.
Well if you see it that way consider it punishment for having a horrible repub president for 2 terms.
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BOOOO OBAMA
i see bumper stickers that say NOBAMA :P
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See Rule #5
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TDR and JFK were rookies too...
TDR?
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TDR?
Fixed... TR
The 26th prez
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BOOOO OBAMA
i see bumper stickers that say NOBAMA :P
:rofl :rofl :aok
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The desperation by the Obama haters is quite comical. They spent this whole thread to prove why Obama hates the troops. All of them talking about what he should and should not have done. He is the next president of the United States, so give him some respect.
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He is the next president of the United States, so give him some respect.
You go first.
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The most amazing thing is that after 8 years of Republican presidency (since Roosevelt, the Presidency has been held by the same party for three consecutive terms only ONE time, Reagan/Reagan/Bush), after Bush II made a clusterfox of his two terms, with a home mortgage crisis, with an oil crisis, with the Republicans running another old white man...the AMAZING thing is that the race is still tight.
In fact, a Gallup poll says that amongst likely voters McCain is in the lead.
The Friday-Sunday poll, mostly conducted as Obama was returning from his much-publicized overseas trip and released just this hour, shows McCain now ahead 49%-45% among voters that Gallup believes are most likely to go to the polls in November. In late June, he was behind among likely voters, 50%-44%.
At the RealClearPolitics Poll Averages page, Obama has ~3 point lead when six different polls are averaged. That's within the margin of polling error most likely.
So again, given the history of parties holding the Presidency for 3 terms and the in light of the Bush clusterfox the amazing thing is that Obama is essentially neck and neck.
While the media has annoited him King and crowned him as the New Messiah, it may not be decided just yet. Those pesky voters still have to go to the polls you know.
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Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.
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Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.
Yup. Politics as usual. I never voted for either Bush... I voted against Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.
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I don't want a cut & run president with foreign policy.
I want a "wow, your a mass murdering slimeball that just might WMD (maybe) and who threatens his neighbors..then you might be NEXT" president.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Play Whack-A-Mole with those who deserve it.
What's that prayer? Protect those who cannot protect themselves?
No rookies for president, thank you.
ROX
You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (a often forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).
Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need, because everyone in America has a memory of about 5 mins..
Oh and in case you don't believe me.. well here is your boy John McCain crying that we must pull our troops out of Somalia after troops were killed there. Can you say.. "Cut & Run"?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5BY1RgKf64
So does this make John McCain a Flip Flopper yet once again, or is it just a evil liberal conspiracy... :rofl
Oh and lets not even get into the whole Republican's second coming of Jesus Ronald Regan and his little so called war on drugs and the Iran Contra affair.
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Obama will win but...
After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again. No more "but it's whitey's fault" for their social ills and their economic situation.
I'm Asian btw
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You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (little forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).
Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need..
I remember it quite vividly--those guys sat there surrounded in total combat for 24 hours straight, dying one after another, because we had no ARMOR there with which to extract them....the REASON we has no armor there was the late Clinton Sec Def Les Aspin overruled commanders on the ground requests for same, because he was afraid it would look like we were "escalating" the situation, ala Vietnam, because every good liberal knows EVERY military scenario is 'another Vietnam'. I don't remember anyone wanting to pull out, everyone remotely connected with what happened wanted to avenge the deaths of our boys whose bodies were dragged through the streets by these punks. There have been several articles which quote that Bin Laden was heartened by Clinton's later pull-out, which affirmed his belief that America would quit if you bloodied her nose
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You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (a often forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).
Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need, because everyone in America has a memory of about 5 mins..
Oh and in case you don't believe me.. well here is your boy John McCain crying that we must pull our troops out of Somalia after troops were killed there. Can you say.. "Cut & Run"?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5BY1RgKf64
So does this make John McCain a Flip Flopper yet once again, or is it just a evil liberal conspiracy... :rofl
Nope... he recognized Somalia as a geographical sphincter not worth a single American life once it became exceedingly apparent that the nation could not and would not govern itself. It remains a lawless sphincter. And then, as now; he did not/does not think that any withdrawal of troops be based on a timeline.
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Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.
I'm either voting FOR Ron Paul, FOR Bob Barr or FOR Chuck Baldwin.
I haven't decided which one yet.
I'll be damned if I'm voting for more of the same in DC and that's what you get with either Dems or Reps.
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I remember it quite vividly--those guys sat there surrounded in total combat for 24 hours straight, dying one after another, because we had no ARMOR there with which to extract them....the REASON we has no armor there was the late Clinton Sec Def Les Aspin overruled commanders on the ground requests for same, because he was afraid it would look like we were "escalating" the situation, ala Vietnam, because every good liberal knows EVERY military scenario is 'another Vietnam'. I don't remember anyone wanting to pull out, everyone remotely connected with what happened wanted to avenge the deaths of our boys whose bodies were dragged through the streets by these punks. There have been several articles which quote that Bin Laden was heartened by Clinton's later pull-out, which affirmed his belief that America would quit if you bloodied her nose
Perhaps you should watch the video. It's a recording of John McCain stating that we should pull out on CSpan. You don't have to remember anything because now history can be recorded.
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TDR and JFK were rookies too...
Rookies in what manner? IIRC correctly both had a life before politics and served the nation at risk of their own life before turning to politics. Exactly how does obama resemble them?
IMO JFK did 3 things right as a President. He started the Green Beret's, the space race and he died before screwing up more stuff than the bay of Pigs. It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.
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It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.
There's a genuine no-shirter.
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A president whose only real platform is his skin color could actually benefit this nation... Here is how:
1.) A little bit of 'okay, let's do it your way' might go a long way with global public opinion. It would be a wasted 4 years, of course, but after this period, we could settle into a more pragmatic form of foreign policy with the added credability of having tried to do things differently.
2.) This nation's addiction to political correctness can be satiated, once and for all. Obama can be the equivalent of a drug overdose for those segments of our society that can't bare to act freely and practically out of fear of offending somebody. His 4 years may well get done, in one short, painful period, what would otherwise take an eternity of gradual societal castration.
A bitter but quick pill, and one that this nation has longed to take can, in fact, make clear to the entire nation the folly of the path we've been slowly treading for decades. After the pill has been digested and excreted, we can all sober up and get back to business.
Doubt I would vote for him either way, but for the sake of helping a doomed social experiment die faster, maybe 4 years of Obama might accomplish something. Frankly, I think the sacrifice might be worth it if it gets the PC movement out of our collective system, once and for all.
The flaw in your argument is assuming these things are desirable. We shouldn't appease other nations and we shouldn't bow to political correctness ( sort of a marketing approach to harmony). So basically you are saying we should cut off an arm so the other grows stronger? I'll pass.
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If Obama get elected IM gunna have to bury my guns...
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Rookies in what manner? IIRC correctly both had a life before politics and served the nation at risk of their own life before turning to politics. Exactly how does obama resemble them?
IMO JFK did 3 things right as a President. He started the Green Beret's, the space race and he died before screwing up more stuff than the bay of Pigs. It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.
Make that two, Maverick. In all fairness, the space race started way before JFK; It was more of an Eisenhower thing, if that.
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Obama will win but...
After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again. No more "but it's whitey's fault" for their social ills and their economic situation.
I'm Asian btw
:rofl :rofl
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you don't understand the minority mindset. if he wins and accomplishes nothing (which he won't if he wins) he can blame the white congress for his failure (and he will). if you elect and all minority government and they burn the country down it will still not be their fault. the town of opa-locka florida is an all minority council and mayor. I don't think there are any white folks living there any longer but ther may be one or two. inspite of having a great industrial taxation base and generous support from the county and the state they cannot run their city and the place is an armpit.
look at rhodesia, south africa, kenya, rwanda, congo, senegal, sierra leoni, liberia, morroco, libya, egypt, sudan, mozambique, madagascar, angola, haiti, jamaica, bahamas, the leewards, cuba, puerto rico, mexico, central america, all of south america and the pacific islands as a paradigm and you will have your answer as to what occurs when these types of people get in power. look at the state of illinois and chicago particularly. look at detroit, look at DC. you could not give me a home there anywhere. if you want america to become a third world country in record time elect barack hussein obama.
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Make that two, Maverick. In all fairness, the space race started way before JFK; It was more of an Eisenhower thing, if that.
had JFK simply pressed on the landings at playa giron (bay of pigs) would have succeeded. the ground forces held the beach. two castro P51Ds and two armed T-33s won the day. one US navy sortie would have sufficed to secure a victory. JFK wussed out for what ever reason. I think a nixon administration in the stolen election of 1960 would have seen a free and democratic cuba today.
pick up a copy of haines johnson's excellent book bay of pigs.
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JFK's election to the presidency wasn't so much stolen as it was purchased by dear old dad.
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gotta agree with storch on this one .. OUCH!
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Obama will win but...
After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again.
Don`t hold your breath.
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JFK's election to the presidency wasn't so much stolen as it was purchased by dear old dad.
JFK and Bobby Kennedy sure are a hell of a lot better than Ted Kennedy. I wonder what Ted woulda done back then?
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After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again. I'm Asian btw
Life is not that simple.
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Obama will win but...
After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again. No more "but it's whitey's fault" for their social ills and their economic situation.
I'm Asian btw
I love how you stuck the 'Im asian' note in there just to raise your credability as an ethnically-objective observer... It does explain your undying love for the performance-oriented economy car, however.
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IMHO, if Mcain wins, it'll be off of electoral votes.
Obama will get at least 52-53% of the population vote, IMHO.
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Hes never been in the middle east and hes just now going, Its only gunna take one little thing to screw his chance up now...
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i see bumper stickers that say NOBAMA :P
cute idea :) i like it
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one US navy sortie would have sufficed to secure a victory.
I worked with Navy guys that were airborne off the Bay during that whole ordeal. They said the exact same thing. 15 mintues of work and it would have been Farewell, Fidel.
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Yup. Politics as usual. I never voted for either Bush... I voted against Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That's exactly where I'm at in this election.
To get on topic though, Never ever vote or judge a man by his color of skin. I try to vote first by character and then by policy. Nobama's character is highly questionable and so is his intelect btw.
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He tells you no and yes. He's just like John Kerry except he's black.
I personally would have wanted to see Mitt Romney run for president. :)
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I look past the color of his skin and see that he is a wonderful human being that the world loves. I am also collar blind as well, I don't distinguish between blue collar or white collar workers.
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If Obama get elected IM gunna have to bury my guns...
Better start digging.
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I worked with Navy guys that were airborne off the Bay during that whole ordeal. They said the exact same thing. 15 mintues of work and it would have been Farewell, Fidel.
was one of them jack casey?
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Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.
Aint it a shame, I'm so tired of hearing politians knock each other rather then discussing the path forward. even more sick of democrates and Republicans knock each other and each others party while not understanding the first thing about any of it. Happily following along with their partys nonsense.
We need less in the way of political nonsence and more in the way of careful patriotic thought and planning.
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I am also collar blind as well,
Let me help you here. Button the collar below your adam's apple instead of above your eyebrows. You'll see things a whole lot differently.
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"deedle deedle...SHEEPLE, SHEEPLE!"
"deedle deedle...SHEEPLE, SHEEPLE!"
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Here's an interesting but meaningless bit of election history for you all. It is interesting to take a look back at how accurate the polls have been at this point in the various elections.
Take it for what its worth; I don't think polls tell you much of anything at this point in a race.
The July 4 presidential polling omens http://www.nfmpolitico.com/2008/07/04/the-july-4-presidential-polling-omens/
In honor of the July 4 holiday, Politico offers this look back in time at the midsummer Gallup presidential polls.
2004: Kerry 46 percent - Bush 44 percent (Dates 6/21-6/23)
John Kerry looked solid at this point, holding a slim edge despite his fateful March comment that he "actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." But the Swift Boat offensive was yet to come.
2000: Bush 45 percent - Gore 36 percent (Dates 6/23-6/25)
The CNN/Gallup weighting of likely voters had George W. Bush ahead by even more: 52 percent to 39 percent. But that lead would evaporate over time as Al Gore climbed back and ended up winning the popular vote by a half million votes, only to lose the electoral vote.
1996: Clinton 51 percent - Dole 35 percent (Dates 6/27-6/30)
Though at 51 percent in the Gallup poll, President Bill Clinton ultimately fell short of the 50 percent mark he so dearly desired, leaving Jimmy Carter as the last Democrat to win a majority. Senator Bob Dole’s decision in May to resign from the Senate and seek the presidency the “hard way” provided him with only a fleeting uptick n the polls. Clinton won by 8 percentage points.
1992: Bush 32 percent - Clinton 31 percent - Perot 28 percent (Dates 7/9-7/10)
Though this poll suggested something close to a dead heat, a large sample size mid-June poll actually showed Ross Perot ahead of the pack and Clinton in a distant third.
1988: Dukakis 47percent - Bush 41 percent (Dates 7/8-7/10)
By late July, following the Democratic National Convention, Michael Dukakis had expanded his lead to almost 17 percentage points. Then it all fell apart for the Democratic nominee. By Election Day, Dukakis had been framed effectively as a “card carrying liberal,” an effete Boston elitist who opposed the Pledge of Allegiance and supported furloughs for murderers. George H. W. Bush won comfortably, by 7 percentage points.
1984: Reagan 50 percent - Mondale 40 percent (Dates 6/29-7/02)
Even at this early point, Walter Mondale could see he was going to lose. Another Gallup poll the week earlier showed President Ronald Reagan up by 16 points–the exact margin of Reagan’s victory. Reagan would go on to carry 49 states, repeating a feat accomplished by Richard Nixon in 1972.
1980: Reagan 40 percent - Carter 38 percent (Date 6/24)
Ronald Reagan ultimately won by a much larger margin, close to 10 percentage points, with John Anderson finishing in third place with 6 percent.
1976: Carter 49 percent - Ford 28 percent (Date 6/22)
Despite the yawning gap, Gerald Ford almost pulled off the come-from-behind win. Gallup called it “the greatest come back in the history of public-opinion polling.” But Ford never escaped his pardon of Nixon, while Jimmy Carter repeatedly pledged “I’ll never lie,” enough to give him the 2 percentage point win.
1972: Nixon 42 percent - McGovern 31 percent - Wallace 19 percent (Date 6/13)
Richard Nixon ultimately won by twice the June poll’s margin–23 percentage points—providing him with a landslide win in the company of the 1964 and 1936 elections.
1968: Humphrey 34 percent - Nixon 32 percent - Wallace 17 percent (Dates 6/26-7/01)
The “new Nixon” came back in 1968 and resurrected his political career in an election year marked by civil unrest and political upheaval. The race remained tight until the end, when Nixon won by less than a percentage point over Hubert Humphrey. George Wallace finished third with 14 percent.
1964: Johnson 74 percent - Goldwater 19 percent (Dates 6/25 - 6/30)
Barry Goldwater finished with twice that amount, but his rise in the polls was a small consolation to conservatives in what was eventually a 61 percent to 38 percent landslide loss to Lyndon Johnson.
1960: Kennedy 46 percent - Nixon 41 percent (Date 6/28)
Another Gallup poll, in mid-July, had John F. Kennedy looking even stronger, ahead by some 18 points. But Richard Nixon roared back and by mid-October, George Gallup refused to predict a winner: It was that close. Kennedy did indeed win, but by a mere .2 percent.
1956: Eisenhower 58 percent - Stevenson 36 percent (Date 7/10)
Dwight Eisenhower eventually won but by half that margin, some 15 percentage points over Adlai Stevenson in a rematch of their 1952 contest.
1952: Eisenhower 56 percent - Stevenson 34 percent (Date 7/10)
Ike would hold his lead, though the final score shrank to 11 percentage points. Eisenhower ran as the war hero who would “go to Korea” whereas Stevenson never seemed able to lose the “egghead” image, in what would prove to be the beginning of the effete liberal caricature.
1948: Truman 40 percent - Dewey 39 percent (Date 7/14)
Another Gallup poll around the same time had Harry Truman up by three points. In an election year noted for its polling mistakes, Gallup later had Thomas Dewey at 49.5 percent the day before the election. But against all odds, Truman won by nearly five percentage points, 49.6 percent to Dewey’s 45.1 percent.
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I watched a really good documentary on Jim Jones a couple of nights ago.
It`s amazing the almost uncanny similarities in what Jim Jones preached and how he manipulated his people to gain control over them and
What Obama is using for a campaign stance and what spews from his mouth.
Kool-aid anyone?