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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: angelsandair on August 01, 2008, 09:52:30 AM
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W00T! Check the front page. :rock :rock
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Pictures aren't loading for me.
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Excuse me when I now have to say
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(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/t34/t34852.jpg)
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Pictures aren't loading for me.
Click on them, then they'll load.
W00T!
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He111, Pe-2, Lag3, G4M :cry
<sniff, sputter, sigh>
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yak3 ! he-111, tu-2, g4m2,
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Now watch, after the 2nd page, this thread is going to end up as some argument, then a peace treaty, then an argument with more spam on the boards, then Skuzzy Locking itj up. :) :O
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Freaking Yee-haaa! Way to go HTC! Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee! :aok
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Well hot piss... :D They have to release the cool stuff after I stop playing...
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:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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knew they'd throw us a bone for the weekend. :aok
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This is a new T-34 correct? This isn't a re-make of the old one?
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The "old one" is AHII standard, so they wouldn't be remaking it. If memory serves, the current one is the T-34/76.
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I aint much of a tanker but still think adding this tank, with this gun, is terrific. :aok
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This is a new T-34 correct? This isn't a re-make of the old one?
Correct. Now with 85mm instead of 76mm cannon. BOOM! :)
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He111, Pe-2, Lag3, G4M :cry
<sniff, sputter, sigh>
I feel the same way. :(
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Deff. opens up some of the Soviet set, WTG HTC. Now lets get some Yak-1's/3's/ and 7's with the PE-2/TU-2! :devil
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W00T :rock
Waiting for Panther announcement :noid
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did i die and got to heaven? :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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did i die and got to heaven? :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I feel like I died, went to heaven, but then they decided it wasnt my time so they sent me here and I saw now that were getting the T-34/85 :rock :D
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Very cool thanks for the new addition. Stay tuned this time next week & see whats up next. :rock
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More GVs :aok
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W00T! Check the front page. :rock :rock
what's the difference between this one and the one we have?
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Very very very cool :rock
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what's the difference between this one and the one we have?
I am not sure of the other specs, but as Lusche posted earlier, instead of a 76MM it has an 85MM cannon. Boom! Yee-haaa...... :aok
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Nice work as always HTC!! :aok :aok
A-26...
<S>
Yossarian
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Wish there was more then just 2 pictures. What's the reload time like? same as the T34 or better?
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Bigger gun on the T-34 is great, but it probably will be generally a similar drive/fight experience with what we already have. Would much rather have, if it's Russian you want, for early war a KV1B or KV2 with the 145mm howitzer, or late war the IS-2 armed with a 122 mm gun . Or if German, the PantherG and King Tiger. Or if American the M24 Chaffe (light tank), M26 Pershing and M18 tank destroyer. Or even British entrants like the Churchill (A22), Cromwell (A27M), and Comet I (A34). Those would be totally different elements in the game from what we have now, and really change the GV experiece.
It's not that I'm not appreciative of the new gun on the T-34, just some future ideas.
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What's the reload time like? same as the T34 or better?
I hear if you can talk two buddies into joining your tank, reload times are cut in half. :D
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Ohh this will be great. Tiger whiners thought the firefly was bad, this thing going to bring whine to a whole new lvl.
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Ohh this will be great. Tiger whiners thought the firefly was bad, this thing going to bring whine to a whole new lvl.
:D
It will be quite a sight to see with it having an 85mm gun.
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W00000000000000000000000000T!! ty htc!!!!
Also I think the t34/85 may have more armor then the t34/76?
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to perk or not to perk?
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Waiting for someone who knows the specs,Relode time,Amount or ordnance carried,Armor on the sides and back.
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Waiting for someone who knows the specs,Relode time,Amount or ordnance carried,Armor on the sides and back.
Wheres WideWing. :rock
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The firefly is already perked, this one will be, by the looks of it.
Too bad we don't get different GV types. Mobile artillery, larger supply vehicles, etc..
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I wonder if the new T-34 will be perked. Cause if it isnt, or even if it is like the Brit firefly, I'll probably never take out another tank.
The T34/85 was the best tank of the war in my opinion. And even better, for game purposes, its fast. Very fast!
Im not a tanker but Im still really looking foward to useing this as a raid tank.
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Waiting for someone who knows the specs,Relode time,Amount or ordnance carried,Armor on the sides and back.
Instead of waiting you could just look it up yourself. There's a plethora of armor websites out there. Start with google or wikipedia...
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T-34/85 did not have upgraded armor to the T-34/76. It carried a new turret, and one of two varieties of 85mm gun. The 85mm was comparable to the 88mm in most ways, able to kill Tigers (including King Tigers) and Panthers with relative impunity.
The drawback was the lack of armor, which it tried to make up for with speed and superior maneuverability, as compared to the Tiger I or King Tiger. It was comparable to the Panther Ausf A and D.
Waffle...it looks great so far, but you gotta lose the muzzle flare at the end, and the fuel tanks on the T-34/85 were cylindrical barrels located on the sides of the rear hull. The boxes on the back of the T-34/76 are only relevant to the T-34/76 Mod 1940.
(http://www.army.lt/armor/gallery/T66.jpg)
The smaller cylindrical objects you'll see on T-34/85 are tanks for laying smoke screens. The contents were dumped onto the exhaust.
Here's a model I did of a T-34/85:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/jeffs_models/t34_02.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/jeffs_models/t34_01.jpg)
Otherwise, it looks great and I'm happy to see it in the game, thanks for you work!
J
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I love HTC. I love the T34. I want them to have my children for making the T34 better.
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while were getting new stuff can the page with info about planes, boats , and vehicles be updated? some new pics of the better modeled planes and speed info and ord loadouts just a minor fix, im just a neat freak like that.
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Jherne - those issues were fixed - slight oversight :)
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HTC you :rock
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Dude, then you rock!
If you ever need anything in the way of photos, references, data, etc., just drop me a line.
At last count, there's something like 3000 books on aircraft, armor, and ships sitting in my basement.
Perhaps we should talk about some joint projects. Are you using 3DFS (which is what I have)?
Jeff
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Thank you hitech I imagine it with a slightly bigger perk than the sherman filling in the big hole between it and the tiger.
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As some others have mentioned, I'd like to see the German Panther next.
Wtg HTC on the new GV.
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WTG HTC on the new tank.
Can't help though but be a little disappointed it's not a new plane we're getting. I know tanks must be infinitely easier to code. But to me, GV's are just drive point click shoot boom, really the same dynamic in every tank. Would much rather we stopped adding new GV's to the game and focused all attention on new aircraft instead.
Imagine if it was a new Russian aircraft being added...MiG-3, Yak-3 or 7.
Or....the G.55, or Ki-44. Big pretty please on both of those.
I am happy at least for the GV crowd, it seems like they can determine a discernible difference in this new GV than all the others, and that is a good thing for the ground war I suppose.
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WTG HTC on the new tank.
Can't help though but be a little disappointed it's not a new plane we're getting. I know tanks must be infinitely easier to code. But to me, GV's are just drive point click shoot boom, really the same dynamic in every tank. Would much rather we stopped adding new GV's to the game and focused all attention on new aircraft instead.
Imagine if it was a new Russian aircraft being added...MiG-3, Yak-3 or 7.
Or....the G.55, or Ki-44. Big pretty please on both of those.
I am happy at least for the GV crowd, it seems like they can determine a discernible difference in this new GV than all the others, and that is a good thing for the ground war I suppose.
They haven't released the update yet, we might still be getting a new aircraft...
Remember how big the last one was!
Honestly I think this will be a very good version. So far these are two updates that were really needed IMO. Hopefully we still might get an He111 or a Ju52 or a Ki43 or some Yakovlevs or ....!
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just building up excitement getting you all wet and ready to worship them.
I love it like strip tease.
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Better than strip tease. You know what you are getting with the girls (unless you visit some really skanky joint), but with the HTC crew you get suprised every time :) Im very glad that they dont tell us whats in the works all the time.
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Dunno if I said this yet, but please consider new types of GVs.. Not just regular tanks, but GVs with new functionalities, like the Sdkfz251 was :)
Support GVs like a big slow defenseless cargo truck with either rockets or two field supplies to balance its vulnerability, or mobile arty like the M7 Priest or Wespe, or turretless tanks like the Sturmhaubitze 42... stuff that adds new gameplay like these. Towed artillery to let players shell from a distance with the help of a spotter (e.g. a jeep), or set up ambush on tank offensives would really be great.
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Dont know why everyone is so happy bout this. Theyre just gonna cry about it later when they cant kill it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Dont know why everyone is so happy bout this. Theyre just gonna cry about it later when they cant kill it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
or when they get killed by one in one shot to their precious Tiger :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Yep, this is going to be a tough one. The T34/76 may not be the most well armored tank in the game, but its sloped armor can really give you fits at medium to long ranges- it's certainly better than the Panzer's at the very least.
Now, a T34 with a gun that can actually do some damage.... that's gonna be nasty.
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Dunno if I said this yet, but please consider new types of GVs.. Not just regular tanks, but GVs with new functionalities, like the Sdkfz251 was :)
Yes, the addition of the 251 was a great thing. No longer having to wait for a certain map to get damage hit % score for my ranking by using PT's :D
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Anyone know the T34/85 turret's rate of fire?
Yes, the addition of the 251 was a great thing. No longer having to wait for a certain map to get damage hit % score for my ranking by using PT's :D
Yep.. It's really cool even without that, though. It's by far the strongest GV in the game, lethality/time wise.
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Yes, the addition of the 251 was a great thing. No longer having to wait for a certain map to get damage hit % score for my ranking by using PT's :D
:lol
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Video of the inside of a T34/85 :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQh9KfUUpUE
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Video of the inside of a T34/85 :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQh9KfUUpUE
Cool vid, ty for sharing! :aok
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now all we need is the Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
(http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Pictures/mau14.png)
:lol :lol :lol j/k
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Anyone know the T34/85 turret's rate of fire?
It should be a tad quicker. If my memory is still good, the redesigned turret added a 3rd crew member (in the turret, with a total of 5) for loading purposes.
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now all we need is the Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
(http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Pictures/mau14.png)
:lol :lol :lol j/k
I see your Maus and raise you the Dora
(http://www.vonabt.co.uk/models/Dora/slides/PS2007-09-021050.jpg)
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Very cool. Really hoping for the Yak3 + He-111 next time we get a bone :)
Edit: Will this be perked at all? If it's not you might aswell just take the old T34 out of the game.
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to perk or not to perk?
I think definitely to perk. The T34 is already fast, and has great armor. The turret of the current models turns faster than any other turret in the game, which is a great tactical advantage. Only the "looking through a straw" crappy narrow field of view through the gunsite, and the exceedingly lame performance of the current 76mm gun hold this tank back.
Add in the 85mm high velocity gun and it will be like having the current T34 but with a Tiger gun on it. It will have to be perked. I don't see how it could get away with not being perked. This variant will take the T34 from worst tank vs. tank guns in the game to one of the best.
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But to me, GV's are just drive point click shoot boom, really the same dynamic in every tank. Would much rather we stopped adding new GV's to the game and focused all attention on new aircraft instead...
I am happy at least for the GV crowd, it seems like they can determine a discernible difference in this new GV than all the others, and that is a good thing for the ground war I suppose.
There's a lot more than just point, click, boom. If you spend a lot of time on the ground tank fighting you'll come to recognize this. Sure there are some occasions where people just spawn in and start firing at the enemy, who are spawning in 1200 yards away and firing back, all without ever even starting their motors, but that's just one aspect of the tank game. There's definitely an element of experience in skill, both in aiming, maneuvering, situational awareness, timing, etc. which separates good tank veterans from tank newbies. A good tank veteran simply cleans up inexperienced tank drivers, however good at "pointing and clicking" they might otherwise be.
The T34/85 will certainly affect the ground game enormously. It basically changes everything, the same way the Sherman Firefly changed everything. I sort of hope the T34/85 gets perked a lot higher than the Sherman, or else I fear we'll see people upping nothing but T34/85s, just as we now have some people who go to tank battles and won't up anything but a Sherman.
For that matter, I think the perk price of the Sherman should be raised by about 10 points above what it is now. It's too low now for the devastating effect of its gun, and the ability of its armor against Panzers and T34s at ranges greater than 1000-1200 yards. There's something wrong with the perk price of a vehicle when you see people upping them one after the other, and refusing to up something else for the entire duration of a tank brawl.
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Couldn't care less about this. GVing is a bunch of rubbish in my opinion.
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edit.. I thought someone called it a IS2
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edit.. I thought someone called it a IS2
You should have left that up. Most are trying to compare this to a Tiger. you CANNOT. The T-34's are a Medium Tank, not a Heavy Tank like the Tiger.
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Couldn't care less about this. GVing is a bunch of rubbish in my opinion.
:cry :cry :cry :cry
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You should have left that up. Most are trying to compare this to a Tiger. you CANNOT. The T-34's are a Medium Tank, not a Heavy Tank like the Tiger.
Alright I'll post it back...
What I said is the Tiger is a heavy class tank and the panzer is a medium class. The current T34 and this new one are still both medium class tanks. The two top Russian heavy tanks were the IS2 and the KV1. Those would be in the same class as a Tiger.
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Couldn't care less about this. GVing is a bunch of rubbish in my opinion.
Why? If you need help, why not ask for it? Are you "too proud" to do such a thing?
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It should be a tad quicker. If my memory is still good, the redesigned turret added a 3rd crew member (in the turret, with a total of 5) for loading purposes.
It always amazes me how many guys they fit in the tanks back then. I mean can you imagine having 5 people in such a small area.. Granted one was a driver and another a front gunner so those two weren't in the turret area, but lets just say I bet it didn't smell very good in there. :confused:
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It always amazes me how many guys they fit in the tanks back then. I mean can you imagine having 5 people in such a small area.. Granted one was a driver and another a front gunner so those two weren't in the turret area, but lets just say I bet it didn't smell very good in there. :confused:
Imagine eating chili before going out. WOOHOO, imagine a good "ripper".
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does the t34/85 have "more" or "better" armor than the current t34, or is it the same as the current t34?
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does the t34/85 have "more" or "better" armor than the current t34, or is it the same as the current t34?
I'm pretty certian the lower half of the tank is the same, it just has a bigger turret and main gun. Could have a diffrent engine and so on but I think the basic chassis armor is the same.
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Imagine eating chili before going out. WOOHOO, imagine a good "ripper".
You do realize all five men have a firearm and are not normally in a very good mood?
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does the t34/85 have "more" or "better" armor than the current t34, or is it the same as the current t34?
Has already been answered in this thread. Read JHerne's first post.
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Has already been answered in this thread. Read JHerne's first post.
it doesnt hurt to be safe
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Ok guys, to save everyone from banging on the poor Wiki, here's what you need to know about the T-34/85 from a HISTORICAL pespective. I have no clue about how it will perform in-game.
The shortcomings of the T-34/76 were realized in the first two years of the war, but further evolution of the tank was limited by the Soviets. This was because Comrade Stalin needed every T-34 at the front, and developing an improved version of the T-34/76 would draw production resources away from current models. It was decided that no major modifications would be made to the T-34/76 until at least 1942, when the German advance in to Russia could be stopped.
In January 1943, the Russians captured the first German Tiger I. Although the Russians were not overly worried about the Tiger I's appearance on the front (due to the low production numbers), it was noted that other tanks (namely the KV series) would have to continue to be developed to handle the Tigers.
When the German advance was halted and the Russians had sufficient numbers of T-34/76s, focus was directed to a new tank, the T-43, which started trials in March, 1943. The battle at Kursk, where the Russians faced Tigers and Panthers in numbers for the first time, caused the Russians to go into panic mode to find a quick solution to handling the German cats.
The resulting compromise was the up-gunning of the T-34/76 with a derivative of the T-43 turret fitting with an 85mm D5-T gun produced by the No. 9 Artillery plant in Sverdlovsk. The first 800 or so T-34/85 Model 1943 were equipped with the D5-T gun, and the remainder were fitted with the Zis-S-53 produced by Savin at Artillery Plant 92.
The changes made to the T-34/85 included the relocation of the radio set from the driver's position (in T-34/76s) to the commander's side of the turret wall.
T-34/85s were equipped with TSh-16 articulated telescopic site (see 'running wish list' thread in Wish List forum for an explanation of a telescopic site) replacing the T-34/76 TSh-15 site. This resulted in the relocation of the commander's cupola about 16 inches aft of the existing position on the T-34/76 (relative to the turret ring race). Aside from that, there were no other changes made to the existing T-34/76 Mod 42/43 hulls. Same engine, gearbox, armor thicknesses, degree of armor slope, etc.
T-34/85 versus the German Panther tank:
The T-34/85 did not reverse the technical advantage held by German armor, but it certainly matched it. The T-34/85 was more than a match for the Panzer IV Ausf J, the most commonly seen German AFV of the early 1944 period. The T-34/85 was far from equal to the Panther, especially in the early stages when the 85mm gun was using BR-365 ammunition. The only way a T-34/85 could kill a Panther is with a side or rear shot, or a lucky hit on the small vertical plate of the turret face. It could not penetrate the mantlet or glacis plate.
The Panther, however, could penetrate the glacis and mantlet of the T-34 at ranges of 1200m. Both tanks could achieve side penetration at ranges of 2500 meters. By the summer of 1944, the T-34/85 had BR-365P hyper-velocity rounds that finally allowed it to penetrate a Panther glacis at 500m.
Early versions of the T-34/85 had a manual traversing system, but late in 1944, an MB20V electric system was installed that increased the traverse speed. It was not accurate enough for gun-laying, which still had to be done manually by the gunner. The gunner used two systems, a MK-4 wide-angle telescoping site for finding the rough bearing of the target, and the TSh-16 site for aiming. This system used a focal-length ranging system based on the target window, identical to focal-length rangefinder today. The focal length of the site matched a pre-determined range distance, allowing rough ranges to be achieved within 25 meters.
Internal fuel capacity was reduced to 545 liters from 610 in the T-34/76, but provisions were made to carry another 270 liters in cylindrical tanks on the outside of the vehicle. Since the T-34 used a diesel engine, fire was not as serious a concern.
So...in the game, the T-34/85 should have the same armor, speed, gearbox, controls, etc. The additional crewman (a loader) should decrease the reload times over the T-34/76. Against the Tiger I, a T-34/85 will not be able to penetrate the front glacis or mantlet unless point-blank, 350 meters or less, and only with BR-365P rounds (which should be perked ammo). Side hull shots, turret shots and rear-end shots can be made with BR-365P rounds from 1500 meters or less. A T-34/85 cannot penetrate the front glacis of a King Tiger.
In the game, against a Sherman or Panzer IV or T-34/76, the T-34/85 should be able to achieve armor penetration at ranges in excess of 2000 meters, front, back, or side with BR-365P, and with conventional AP BP-365 at ranges below 1500 meters.
Any questions?
Jeff
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Great info! You certainly seem to know your stuff! :aok
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Thanks,
I do it for a living... basically, I'm just a weapons systems geek. :rolleyes:
Jeff
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Jherne check your pm please.
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Some armor and gun comparisons:
T-34/76 M1943
Turret Mantlet: 70mm/curved
Upper Hull: 45mm/60 degrees
Lower Hull: 45mm/53 degrees
Top: 20mm
Gun at 500 yards: 73mm (AP) or 95mm (HVAP)
T-34/85 M1944
Turret Mantlet: 90mm/curved
Upper Hull: 45mm/60 degrees
Lower Hull: 45mm/53 degrees
Top: 20mm
Gun at 500 yards: 110mm (AP) or 139mm (HVAP)
Sherman Firefly IIC
Turret Mantlet: 89mm/curved
Upper Hull: 51mm/50 degrees
Lower Hull: 51mm/15 degrees
Top: 19mm
Gun at 500 yards: 157mm (AP)
...so in comparison the T-34/85 is a good "in between" tank compared to the T-34/76 and Firefly. It certainly is not a JS-2, or an M26 Pershing, or Tiger I. Its a good medium tank, it was an "up gunned" T-34/76, with slightly better armor. Of course, the Russians built them by the 1000s.
If AH2 models it with HVAP it will be better (they got the round in the summer of 1944), but still not as good as the Firelfy's 76mm round.
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Why? If you need help, why not ask for it? Are you "too proud" to do such a thing?
No Karaya, I just have zero interest in GVing and don't find the appeal in it.
However, running m3s and jeeps is quite fun sometimes.
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In the grand tradition of "damned if you do, damned if you don't", I do get peeved sometimes about all-new or upgraded models being used in the same pointy-click, furball environment with no real strat to speak of.
I wonder if the time wouldn't be better spent changing the structure of the game - hard to stay motivated for the same old same old, even with new toys.
meh, I suck.
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Some armor and gun comparisons:
T-34/76 M1943
Turret Mantlet: 70mm/curved
Upper Hull: 45mm/60 degrees
Lower Hull: 45mm/53 degrees
Top: 20mm
Gun at 500 yards: 73mm (AP) or 95mm (HVAP)
T-34/85 M1944
Turret Mantlet: 90mm/curved
Upper Hull: 45mm/60 degrees
Lower Hull: 45mm/53 degrees
Top: 20mm
Gun at 500 yards: 110mm (AP) or 139mm (HVAP)
Sherman Firefly IIC
Turret Mantlet: 89mm/curved
Upper Hull: 51mm/50 degrees
Lower Hull: 51mm/15 degrees
Top: 19mm
Gun at 500 yards: 157mm (AP)
...so in comparison the T-34/85 is a good "in between" tank compared to the T-34/76 and Firefly. It certainly is not a JS-2, or an M26 Pershing, or Tiger I. Its a good medium tank, it was an "up gunned" T-34/76, with slightly better armor. Of course, the Russians built them by the 1000s.
If AH2 models it with HVAP it will be better (they got the round in the summer of 1944), but still not as good as the Firelfy's 76mm round.
Great info.
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Now that I see this... I want a 76mm Sherman
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76mm Sherman had ballistics performance very close to the Firefly. In fact, it was the success of the Firefly (76.2mm) that led the US to develop the 76mm Sherman.
I think we pretty much already have one...
Now...a 105mm Sherman Jumbo that we could use to pork bases, that's a idea!
J
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So what we'll be getting is a T34 that's still fast, still has great survivability on base assaults, etc., can slaughter Panzers, and can actually stand up to the Firefly at the type of ranges they're likely to be shooting at each other. Right now the current T34/76 is all but useless against Tigers, unless you are close and can pop their turret from the side or back, or kill their engine, and then just pound them until it finally gives.
The T34/85 will be far from the Tiger killer that the Firefly is right now, but will be far more effective against it than the current model T34. That's very satisfactory. It'll probably be much easier to pop a Tiger or Sherman turret in the T34/85, which is awesome.
Given the T34's better speed and lower profile, but the Firefly's still-better gun, I have to wonder what an appropriate perk level will be. It'll have to be perked, or almost nobody will drive the Panzer anymore.
This is going to be interesting. I used to be in a love/hate relationship with the T34, but recently been forgetting the hate part and I really enjoy getting out there and mixing it up. I had probably 300 kills last month in the current T34, probably over half of them against aircraft both in the air and trying to take off. The new model will be a holy terror against air bases now. I can hardly wait.
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Ah, my favorite WWII tank. Nice.
I know it isn't the best, but I like how it looks.
A note on the turret. In the T-34/76 the floor of the turret did not rotate with the turret forcing the crew to shuffle around as the turret rotated. In addition, other than a small number of ready rounds the shells had to be gotten from under the floor grating and the spent shells had to be replaced under the grating. All of this conspired to significantly limit the rate of fire in the T-34/76 after the ready rounds were used.
In contrast, the T-34/85 addressed these issues. The floor of the turret now rotated with the turret, round storage was more convenient and a an additional crewman was added as a loader bring the T-34/85's rate of fire up to contemporary standards.
As to being perked, I don't think it should be. The gun performance is still inferior to the Panzer IV H's. I think the T-34/85 will make a good high end free tank.
T-34/85 = better armor and speed, decent gun, no commander's gun.
Panzer IV H = better gun, commander's gun, poorer armor and speed.
The choice is a trade off.
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will it still have the same loading time as the prior t34?
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Yay for tanks.
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will it still have the same loading time as the prior t34?
Read the post right above yours.
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As to being perked, I don't think it should be. The gun performance is still inferior to the Panzer IV H's. I think the T-34/85 will make a good high end free tank.
T-34/85 = better armor and speed, decent gun, no commander's gun.
Panzer IV H = better gun, commander's gun, poorer armor and speed.
The choice is a trade off.
We'll have to see how it works out in the game, but I have a feeling we're going to see metric tons of T34/85s on the ground and very few Panzers if this tank comes out not perked. The speed and turret traversal speed of the T34 are very good tactical advantages, and with a boost in rate of fire and much more effective gun than the craptastic spitwad shooter it has now, even if it isn't strictly as powerful as the gun on the Panzer, it'll still be as effective as it needs to be. The T34/85 won't be killing Tigers at longer ranges like the Sherman can, but it'll be killing everything else well enough. I bet it'll be perked, and if it starts out not being perked, I bet it'll end up perked like the Sherman was.
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I have no problems with it replacing the Panzer IV H as the most popular free tank. There is no rule that says that position must go to the Panzer IV H.
Speaking of which, what do you think the odds of seeing the Panzer IV H brought up to AH2 specs? They already have the hull done as of last version (Ostwind and Wirbelwind).
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Given they've got the hull done as you say, I'd rate the odds as excellent.
You're right, there's no law that says the Panzer IV has to be the most common tank used, but it works out very well in practice right now. The Panzer probably does the bulk of the work, with the Shermans and Tigers being used more on "special occasions", though I do get irked by the guys who keep upping Sherman after Sherman after Sherman at these slugfests, and thinking how hot they are that they killed a bunch of Panzers. The balance works well enough that I'd regret seeing the Panzer all but replaced by the T34/85.
It really all depends on how effective the new gun turns out to be. If it lays waste to Panzers and Shermans (and other T34s) with one-shot kills out to 1600 yards being the norm rather than the exception, then the extra speed and turret traversal speed and such that it has will probably push it over the limit of reasonability for being non-perked. Not having a machine gun on the roof is not much of a disadvantage...
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The 85mm was comparable to the 88mm in most ways, able to kill Tigers (including King Tigers) and Panthers with relative impunity.
That sounds perk worthy, Karnak.
guys who keep upping Sherman after Sherman after Sherman at these slugfests, and thinking how hot they are that they killed a bunch of Panzers.
You're psychic?
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That sounds perk worthy, Karnak.
No data I have ever seen says it had penetration anywhere near that. It should be markedly inferior to the Panzer IV H's gun.
That poster also claimed the American 76mm Shermans had penetration like the British 17lber, and again, I have never seen numbers that come close to supporting that.
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Thats makes two posts ive made that have come to fruition...
Just goes to show, I am the friggin bomb lol.
Now if the a36 makes it in itll be the trifecta...
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Last update we got a plane update, fighter and two gv's :rock
Maby this update we will get the remade f6f a new plane and perhaps* two new gv's :D
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Panzer IVH with 75mm L/48 with Pzgr. 39 (APBC) should be @ 128mm at 500 metes vs the T-34/85s 85mm L/53 Br-365 (APBC) shell @ 110mm at 500 meters. So, ya, the Panzer IVHs AP round is about 10 percent better, both tanks are capable of knocking the other out at 1000 meters frontally.
...The Russian 85mm gun was nowhere near what a Tiger Is 88 L/56 could perform at, which was @ 180mm at 500 yards with APBC ammo. It was a higher velocity gun, with a better shell, and could kill a T-34/85 out past 2000 meters.
The T-34/85 is on par with the Panzer IVH and the 76mm armed Shermans, but in no way is a direct match to something like a Tiger I. It wasn't untill the JS-2 series that the Russians possessed a heavy tank of that class.
As for being a perk tank? I would say no, there is nothing in its performance that would warrant it being perked, but thats HTCs call.
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How it actually works out in the game may well not be 100% predicted based on its real-world stats. Just like it's hard to imagine A6M2s shooting down Spit 16s in the real WWII, we use the stuff in the game based on what works, and what's doable, in the game. Based on how good the T34 is in the game other than it's super-crappy gun I'm willing to predict that with the new 85mm gun this tank is going to own the Panzer IVH, not just be comparable to it. That's in the game, not necessarily on paper.
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Thats makes two posts ive made that have come to fruition...
Just goes to show, I am the friggin bomb lol.
Now if the a36 makes it in itll be the trifecta...
yea because nobody ever asked before. :rolleyes: You're something alright but the "bomb" isn't it. :aok
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How it actually works out in the game may well not be 100% predicted based on its real-world stats. Just like it's hard to imagine A6M2s shooting down Spit 16s in the real WWII, we use the stuff in the game based on what works, and what's doable, in the game. Based on how good the T34 is in the game other than it's super-crappy gun I'm willing to predict that with the new 85mm gun this tank is going to own the Panzer IVH, not just be comparable to it. That's in the game, not necessarily on paper.
Of course it is. Point, click, boom. Lots of skill there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Of course it is. Point, click, boom. Lots of skill there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
so? :rolleyes:
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T-34/85 did not have upgraded armor to the T-34/76. It carried a new turret, and one of two varieties of 85mm gun. The 85mm was comparable to the 88mm in most ways, able to kill Tigers (including King Tigers) and Panthers with relative impunity.
The drawback was the lack of armor, which it tried to make up for with speed and superior maneuverability, as compared to the Tiger I or King Tiger. It was comparable to the Panther Ausf A and D.
Waffle...it looks great so far, but you gotta lose the muzzle flare at the end, and the fuel tanks on the T-34/85 were cylindrical barrels located on the sides of the rear hull. The boxes on the back of the T-34/76 are only relevant to the T-34/76 Mod 1940.
(http://www.army.lt/armor/gallery/T66.jpg)
The smaller cylindrical objects you'll see on T-34/85 are tanks for laying smoke screens. The contents were dumped onto the exhaust.
Here's a model I did of a T-34/85:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/jeffs_models/t34_02.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/jeffs_models/t34_01.jpg)
Otherwise, it looks great and I'm happy to see it in the game, thanks for you work!
J
Im a model junkie myself, the one you made is just awesome!!
:salute
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so? :rolleyes:
How is that at all entertaining?
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How is that at all entertaining?
With the number of gvs around I would say that it is very entertaining. I doubt they do it cause they get payed ;)
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Dunno if I said this yet, but please consider new types of GVs.. Not just regular tanks, but GVs with new functionalities, like the Sdkfz251 was :)
Support GVs like a big slow defenseless cargo truck with either rockets or two field supplies to balance its vulnerability, or mobile arty like the M7 Priest or Wespe, or turretless tanks like the Sturmhaubitze 42... stuff that adds new gameplay like these. Towed artillery to let players shell from a distance with the help of a spotter (e.g. a jeep), or set up ambush on tank offensives would really be great.
Yeah that would definitely be a great add on to the game, have a towed Howitzer and use a forward observer to put shells on targets like towns or hangers from long distances.
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How is that at all entertaining?
It is entertaining in the fact that, as a whole, Aces High encompasses different forms of fun for everyone.
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How is that at all entertaining?
Up, kill a guy, turn around, die. Be mad about death, up in Lghey, speed through furball at full speed, die. Grab a picker's plane, sit on the edges and snipe people at 700MPH until out of alt, die.
Up, die, up, die, up, die.
Personally, I used to GV for the lack of downtime. Generally there isn't too much of a wait to get into a fight, and if someone's got a really good position and knows what to do with it, you actually need tactics and teamwork to get them out of it. That is, unless some flyboy gets tired of it and decides to bomb them to kingdom come.
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How is that at all entertaining?
Obviously you don't do GVs very much, or you're not that good at it, or else your only experience with GVing is to show up at one of the slugfests where people spawn in right next to the enemy spawn and just sit there and shoot until they die. Try actually attacking enemy cities and bases and dealing with enemy tanks coming out to meet you. That can be pretty fun.
Last night I killed Senneca's Tiger in my T34 with its crappy gun by maneuvering so that I had a hill between me and him as he came out to meet me. I kept an eye on him from the commander's periscope until I could tell which way he was going to go around the hill. I then hurried up and drive around the hill the other way and got behind him and shot his turret out with an HVAP round to the back left quarter of the turret. Another HVAP round into his engine from about 75 feet away killed the motor, and then it took two or three more point-blank HVAP rounds into the most vulnerable parts to kill him. That was a pretty fun fight, and he responded by bringing out another Tiger. I got two or three shots into his turret before he killed my turret, because I couldn't get behind him this time, and my T34/76 gun with HVAP round couldn't penetrate the front armor of his turret even at point-blank range, so I died. Apparently you never get into any really fun tank battles, because there's a lot of timing, SA, listening, anticipating, etc. when fighting in hilly and wooded areas, or in a town with buildings and whatnot.
Last week I held around 10 guys in the tower at a small airbase with my T34 because the VH was dead and from my spot on the runway I could kill planes upping at either end of the runway and the spawn hangar. After about a dozen aircraft kills I was joined at one end of the runway by a wirbel, so I only had to cover the spawn hangar and the other end of the runway. At least ten enemy kept trying to up and we blasted them frantically, turning from runway to hangar and back and firing just as fast as your little crappy auto-loader could get a shell in. Finally the VH spawned and like a dozen guys upped tanks and slaughtered me within seconds. I had like 30something kills. A day later I did the same thing, only this time I made it into the burning VH before it respawned and killed like 20 tanks before a Tiger upped and I couldn't kill his turret before he got turned around and blasted me. 42 aircraft and tank kills, and I had the entire base locked down for like 10 or 15 minutes. Good times, man, good times.
For all the "point, click, boom" critics, I suggest you spend some time doing tank attacks against ground resistance and see if you can figure out a way to do better than the average guy who just thinks it's about "point, click, boom".
And if you don't, then ok, it's your $15, you can play how you want. But it's ignorant to criticize or mock those who find the tank game in AH to be interesting. I happen to be one who quite likes it, along with all the other aspects of the game.
All I can say is T34/85 - HELL YEAH!
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Last night I killed Senneca's Tiger in my T34 with its crappy gun by maneuvering so that I had a hill between me and him as he came out to meet me. I kept an eye on him from the commander's periscope until I could tell which way he was going to go around the hill. I then hurried up and drive around the hill the other way and got behind him and shot his turret out with an HVAP round to the back left quarter of the turret. Another HVAP round into his engine from about 75 feet away killed the motor, and then it took two or three more point-blank HVAP rounds into the most vulnerable parts to kill him. That was a pretty fun fight, and he responded by bringing out another Tiger. I got two or three shots into his turret before he killed my turret, because I couldn't get behind him this time, and my T34/76 gun with HVAP round couldn't penetrate the front armor of his turret even at point-blank range, so I died. Apparently you never get into any really fun tank battles, because there's a lot of timing, SA, listening, anticipating, etc. when fighting in hilly and wooded areas, or in a town with buildings and whatnot.
I fell asleep towards the end of the first sentence.
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I think that reflects upon you more than tank combat.
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I think that reflects upon you more than tank combat.
:rolleyes: No, I just get bored when people talk about tanking around.
Nothing worse than hearing some GVer on range talk about how he has been hiding behind a tree for 5 hours waiting for someone to come past him.
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:rolleyes: No, I just get bored when people talk about tanking around.
Nothing worse than hearing some GVer on range talk about how he has been hiding behind a tree for 5 hours waiting for someone to come past him.
Oh dont pay attention to that. There are pickers out there who will wait until they run out of fuel before they pick-n-run. :D
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What would be great is if HTC could coad at least some part in the middle of TT to be random. Every arena reset, the ground clutter/buildings would be different.
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I love taking M8s out and hunting Panzers.
If we had the M18 I would take it out and hunt T34s and Tigers
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What would be great is if HTC could coad at least some part in the middle of TT to be random. Every arena reset, the ground clutter/buildings would be different.
Very good Idea :salute
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It probably would annoy a number of people if the map had to be downloaded over again everytime, though.
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Moot, i would not use a diferient map layout, i would use a texture diffrence tho, winter "snow" autumn, summer .ect.
maby 4 major seasons.
or at least just winter/summer
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The thing I was getting at was tactical novelty.
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What would be great is if HTC could coad at least some part in the middle of TT to be random. Every arena reset, the ground clutter/buildings would be different.
Then you would need to dl new maps every time you log on, or atleast some extra files.
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I was thinking of some algorithm that arranges the terrain in TT based on a seed. But a small file wouldn't really upset too many people either. It could go against HT's habits of keeping everything encrypted in as few files as possible, though.
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Can't help though but be a little disappointed it's not a new plane we're getting. I know tanks must be infinitely easier to code. But to me, GV's are just drive point click shoot boom, really the same dynamic in every tank. Would much rather we stopped adding new GV's to the game and focused all attention on new aircraft instead.
I recall HiTech saying that the tank armor and interaction with shells is the most complex part of code in AH by a significant margin.
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It occurs to me that this is the first tank "progression" that we have in AH. What I mean is where we have multiple models of the same unit, giving a progression over time. We have this with many, many aircraft, but this is the first GV to get it.
Panzer IVs would be prime candidates for this too. Shermans would also be a good one to see this on.
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Roger that Karnak. PZKW IV had many models as did the Sherman. I'd like to see an "Easy 8" variant.
SDKFZ 251 did as well including a howitzer mount, at gun mount, AAA mount... Could be real versatile to have those in the hangar.
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:rolleyes: No, I just get bored when people talk about tanking around.
Nothing worse than hearing some GVer on range talk about how he has been hiding behind a tree for 5 hours waiting for someone to come past him.
You get bored hearing people talk about tanking, but here you are, in a thread about a new tank, carrying on a back and forth conversation that stretches over a handful of posts, just to make sure we all get just how bored you are. Got it.
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You get bored hearing people talk about tanking, but here you are, in a thread about a new tank, carrying on a back and forth conversation that stretches over a handful of posts, just to make sure we all get just how bored you are. Got it.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Roger that Karnak. PZKW IV had many models as did the Sherman. I'd like to see an "Easy 8" variant.
SDKFZ 251 did as well including a howitzer mount, at gun mount, AAA mount... Could be real versatile to have those in the hangar.
That's just pandering to the minimum cost of development from HTC. What matters is what the game actualy gets, what it benefits from - not adding what's quickest for HTC to model. Adding GVs because they're related to existing variants (and thus quicker to implement) but otherwise next to useless, when truly useful variants/models could be developed.. that's a mistake.
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That's just pandering to the minimum cost of development from HTC. What matters is what the game actualy gets, what it benefits from - not adding what's quickest for HTC to model. Adding GVs because they're related to existing variants (and thus quicker to implement) but otherwise next to useless, when truly useful variants/models could be developed.. that's a mistake.
Depends. A Panzer IV D would be welcomed in the Early War Arena as all they have now is the T-34/76. True, it wouldn't be much use in other arenas, but there and scenarios it would be.
Other vehicles likely follow the same pattern.
There are others that could be added that would only be useful in the Early War Arena or Early and Mid War Arenas, such as the Grant or Matilda or Panzer III.
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You get bored hearing people talk about tanking, but here you are, in a thread about a new tank, carrying on a back and forth conversation that stretches over a handful of posts, just to make sure we all get just how bored you are. Got it.
Exactly. Nothing wrong with stating an opinion in a tank thread.
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Yep Karnak, reading back on the post I replied to, I dunno how I interpreted it like I did.
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I'd like to see some versions of the STUG. I think it could be fun, look cool, and maybe change things up a little.
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T-34/85, yay. Perk price for it, BOO!!
The Russian BT-5 cannon does not have the oompf to penetrate much armor over 1500m range. Speed it has, and the cannon, under 1500m, has just slightly better penitrative performance as the 75mm on the PNZR we have, and armor is the same as the T-34/76 currently.
I don't see anything worth perking here.
The cannon, tho an improvement, would only be the 4th most powerful cannon over 1500m, and only the third under that range. ( It only beats the Panzers 75mm gun by a slim margin. ) And if we ever get the regular Sherman, its gun will be tied with the T-34/76s for worst performer.
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Agreed, no perk
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B-29, Yak-3 :aok
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should be perked like the sherman or something below. because no one would use the old t34 anymore if the new one is not perked.
and now i want my kingtiger :furious :furious :furious. i dont pay atention if he is able to drive 15mph and coast 100perks, but i want it :furious :furious :furious
there are to much bad weapons around my poor lidel tiger now. he is alitel bit afraid now :O :O
cu chris3
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and now i want my kingtiger :furious :furious :furious. i dont pay atention if he is able to drive 15mph and coast 100perks, but i want it :furious :furious :furious
Wouldn't 100 perks be a bit too much for a tank that would die as easy to a 1000lbs bomb as any ordinary Tiger?
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every tank dies the same to a 1000lb bomb, but at the ground he would be great and every perk of the 100 would be ok. :D
cu chris3
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Would the King Tiger really die as easily to a 1000 lb bomb? And actually, Tigers don't always die easily to 1000 lb bombs. You pretty much have to put the bomb down the commander's hatch. Right next to it doesn't always work.
Btw, I have no problem if the T34/85 effectively displaces the T34/76 in the Late War arena. The T34/76 would still be the shiznit in midwar and early war for attacking bases and towns and whatnot. But I would be sad if the T34/85 completely displaced the Panzer IV H so that it didn't get used much anymore in late war. I think putting a perk price, even a low one, would make it so that the T34/85 wasn't all anyone ever used.
You'll recall before the M4 got perked that's pretty much what most everyone would up, most of the time. You'd get a minority of Panzers and tons and tons of Shermans. Now you still get quite a few Shermans but you get more Panzers because they're free, and higher ENY so you earn more perks with them. I'd like to see it be pretty much that way with the new T34.
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Dury the July tour, here's the kill breakdown by tank:
Panzer IV H: 60989 kills
Sherman: 44005 kills (3:1 kill ratio against the Panzer, 8:1 ratio against T34)
Tiger: 13053 kills (4:1 kill ratio against the Panzer, 1.1:1 against the Sherman, 15:1 against the T34)
T34: 6000 kills (of which I accounted for 5% ;-) )
M8: 4399 kills
Most of those Panzer kills were against other Panzers.
What's really funny is to look at the T34 kills and see how many were against aircraft. It's nearly half of the T34's total kills. Especially the B25h, the 110, and the IL-2. This is because the T34 is such a great base-assault tank, and is really good at destroying aircraft trying to take off. It's also good at shooting down B25s, 110s, and IL-2s in the air with its tank gun while they dive in on it. ;-)
Anyhow, I'm happy that the majority of the kills are still happening in the Panzer. I won't mind seeing the T34/85 climb up there on the kill chart and compete with the Sherman and the Panzer, but I'd be sad to see the Panzer drop down to where the T34/76 is today. A little perkage on the T34/85 might well keep it at around the same level as the Sherman. That would be great.
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Anyhow, I'm happy that the majority of the kills are still happening in the Panzer.
Thanks to the slight perk on the Firefly, which had more impact that I would have expected. The Sherman had about twice as many kills as the Panzer until it was perked.
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t34/85 should be introduced as free and if it totally dominates the free tanks then perhaps being perked. But keep in mind that the Panzer IV H completely dominates the free tanks right now.
Another option, perhaps, would be to unperk the Sherman Firefly VC and see if the T34/85 and Sherman Firefly VC get a balance.
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t34/85 should be introduced as free and if it totally dominates the free tanks then perhaps being perked. But keep in mind that the Panzer IV H completely dominates the free tanks right now.
Another option, perhaps, would be to unperk the Sherman Firefly VC and see if the T34/85 and Sherman Firefly VC get a balance.
The first part I agree with, Karnak.
The second part I don't.
Un-perking the Firefly will bring us back to the time when all you saw was the Firefly when it first came out(un-perked). Doing that will make the Firefly the dominant tank in game(again). No one will take a third/forth rate gun platform, witch the PanzerIV will be when the T-34/85 comes out, to get "PWN'ed by teh Firefly" every time. The only thing I see happening is a balance between the Panzer IV and the T-34/85. It may happen that the T-34/76 might be used only as often as the M-8, and the M-8's numbers will plummet. The /76 might be the new scout tank, simply because it has a main gun that has the possibility to do damage further out than the M-8's popgun, and tho not as fast as the M-8, it is still a fast tank. The M-8 will still see some use as a scout car,(witch is what it is anyway), quickly finding enemy contacts and reporting their location. Rat patrol raids will still be tonnes of fun,(if you haven't seen 25 jeeps all scrambling to take down a town before they all get straffed, you haven't seen fun) and their is alwase the few [people/idiots] who will call out "Oh Cod, my perk tank is broken. Give me vehicle supplies to [fix it/save my perks].", so the jeep still has its use in the LWA.
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Another option, perhaps, would be to unperk the Sherman Firefly VC and see if the T34/85 and Sherman Firefly VC get a balance.
You have to unperk the Tiger too in that case. Look at the killstats Tiger vs Firefly.
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t34/85 should be introduced as free and if it totally dominates the free tanks then perhaps being perked. But keep in mind that the Panzer IV H completely dominates the free tanks right now.
Another option, perhaps, would be to unperk the Sherman Firefly VC and see if the T34/85 and Sherman Firefly VC get a balance.
I think the ENY scores will help balance it out. Put the T34/85 at a the Firefly's 15 ENY but unperked while the Panzer is at a 25 and the T-34/76 is at a 35 (as they are now). You will get few perks with the T-34/85, and conversely will be assured of getting more perks with the Panzer since there is an unperked but higher ENY vehicle to compete with. The Panzer will probably still lose dominance, but will still be well-used.
One other thing we haven't considered is that if the field of view in the gunsight on the T-34/85 is as bad as on the T-34/76, people still may prefer the Panzer on that basis alone.
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I fell asleep towards the end of the first sentence.
It's pretty obvious that you don't like to GV. What I wonder about is why you haunt
a thread about something you don't care about?
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I think the ENY scores will help balance it out.
It won't. An unperked M4 at ENY 15 means it's available more than 90% of the time. And as the M4 can quite easily thrash the Tiger, it will be extremely popular again, just like it was before it got perked. ENY is only a minor consideration to majority of players.
If perk farming was a major consideration, we would see much more T34/76s. And the best perk farming GV is actually the Wirbel. Nothing can get you more perks per invested time.
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What about the M4 Sherman VC "Firefly" perked at ENY 5 (like every other perk unit) and the T-34/85 unperked at something in the 5-10 range?
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It won't. An unperked M4 at ENY 15 means it's available more than 90% of the time. And as the M4 can quite easily thrash the Tiger, it will be extremely popular again, just like it was before it got perked. ENY is only a minor consideration to majority of players.
If perk farming was a major consideration, we would see much more T34/76s. And the best perk farming GV is actually the Wirbel. Nothing can get you more perks per invested time.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I did not mean to unperk the M4, but rather have the M4 and the T-34/85 be the same 15 ENY, but the T-34/85 would be unperked.
IMO the reasons the T-34/76 isn't used much as a perk farmer because its gun is horrible for long range fighting and the views are awful. The average/general GVer is lucky to get one kill in it before being killed himself.
The Panzer is powerful enough to be used as a minor perk farmer if it has an opponent it can reasonably defeat that has a better ENY score, but is unperked and therefore likely to be found in some numbers. Right now there is no such tank.
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What about the M4 Sherman VC "Firefly" perked at ENY 5 (like every other perk unit) and the T-34/85 unperked at something in the 5-10 range?
Right now the Firefly is ENY 15 and the Tiger is ENY 10.
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Maybe I wasn't clear. I did not mean to unperk the M4, but rather have the M4 and the T-34/85 be the same 15 ENY, but the T-34/85 would be unperked.
ah, then I misunderstood
IMO the reasons the T-34/76 isn't used much as a perk farmer because its gun is horrible for long range fighting and the views are awful. The average/general GVer is lucky to get one kill in it before being killed himself.
Frankly said it could have all the range & views and still would pale as a perk farmer in comparison to a Wirbelwind. More occasions for more kills in less time, and many planes have ENY <10 = yummy perk gain.
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One other thing we haven't considered is that if the field of view in the gunsight on the T-34/85 is as bad as on the T-34/76, people still may prefer the Panzer on that basis alone.
I agree many people might be turned off by the gunsite, as I was initially when I first used it, but if you're comfortable switching back and forth between the commander's "periscope" and the gunsite, it's not hard to keep your SA and locate targets and whatnot and get your gun aimed at them. It's all about paying attention to landmarks that you identify from the commander's view, so that you can recognize them in the gunsite as you traverse the turret. Put the time into the T34 and after a while the "looking down through a straw" gunsite isn't such a handicap anymore.
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What about the M4 Sherman VC "Firefly" perked at ENY 5 (like every other perk unit) and the T-34/85 unperked at something in the 5-10 range?
The average player doesn't really care about perk points, I'd think. What matters is who kills who. The 34/85 will be perked if it unbalances the kill stats, imo.
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Frankly said it could have all the range & views and still would pale as a perk farmer in comparison to a Wirbelwind. More occasions for more kills in less time, and many planes have ENY <10 = yummy perk gain.
Fair point -- but they aren't much good against a ground attack.
And I personally STILL can't hit squat with them.
Not that I regularly go perk farming.
As far as you know.
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I agree many people might be turned off by the gunsite, as I was initially when I first used it, but if you're comfortable switching back and forth between the commander's "periscope" and the gunsite, it's not hard to keep your SA and locate targets and whatnot and get your gun aimed at them. It's all about paying attention to landmarks that you identify from the commander's view, so that you can recognize them in the gunsite as you traverse the turret. Put the time into the T34 and after a while the "looking down through a straw" gunsite isn't such a handicap anymore.
commanders periscope????? did i miss somethink?? and can i turn of the gunsite in my tank?? why should i do this, it is hard to aim with one but it with out????
cu
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I think I found the inspiration for the new T-34/85 model :D
(http://www.brickmania.com/Gallery2/war/T34/T-34_Loading.jpg)
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commanders periscope????? did i miss somethink??
I'm talking about the same position that would be the pintle gun on tanks that have one. The T34 doesn't, but you can still stick your head up and look around.
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moin
jes a squadmate told me what you was talking about....sorry my english is to bad so i miss understod you, sorry.
cu chris3
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Does it come in black? :devil