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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kamilyun on August 07, 2008, 08:20:25 PM
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Surprised this didn't make it in hear yet...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/index.html
I'm wondering about this bit:
"But Prince George's County Police Department spokeswoman Sharon Taylor said legal counsel had informed her that "no-knock" warrants do not exist in Maryland."
And an additional question: After they kick your door in, shoot your dogs and determine you're innocent...do they fix the door, buy you new dogs and say "our bad"?
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I find it hard to believe that "no-knock" warrants are not existent in Maryland. Sounds pretty crummy if its true.
Morale of the story: Don't manufacture, distribute, sell or in anyway have anything to do with illegal drugs and the cops wont bust down your door and shoot your dogs.
The law applies to Mayors and their families as well
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I'm having trouble understanding something here.
It said that drugs are mailed to an unknowing recipient and then intercepted.
Is it the police that send the drugs, and then arrest whoever's at the end? Or is it that police knew the package was being sent and were waiting for it to be "Intercepted" by the drug dealers?
If the latter is true, and the authorities knew how the scheme worked, why would they go in guns blazing if the package was never intercepted?
Perhaps I'm just burdened with an over abundance of logic, but this isn't adding up. Either the mayor's a drug dealer, or some of the dumbest mother diddlyers on the face of the planet are heading up their police divisions.
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I'm having trouble understanding something here.
It said that drugs are mailed to an unknowing recipient and then intercepted.
Or is it that police knew the package was being sent and were waiting for it to be "Intercepted" by the drug dealers?
As I read it, this is the case.
A guy who used to work where I did, got busted for credit card fraud pulling a similar stunt. Steal CC #'s, ship to owner's address, then hope they aren't home or leave the package to be returned on their doorstep.
With drugs, I think they just play the #'s as well. A certain # will get intercepted, but what makes it through is worth it.
Morale of the story: whether you're a Mayor or a normal Joe, don't live at the address where someone randomly ships drugs and your dogs won't be killed.
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As I read it, this is the case.
A guy who used to work where I did, got busted for credit card fraud pulling a similar stunt. Steal CC #'s, ship to owner's address, then hope they aren't home or leave the package to be returned on their doorstep.
With drugs, I think they just play the #'s as well. A certain # will get intercepted, but what makes it through is worth it.
Morale of the story: whether you're a Mayor or a normal Joe, don't live at the address where someone randomly ships drugs and your dogs won't be killed.
That's the thing I'm not understanding. If the package reached the house, then the police department had a good idea that it was never intercepted. Why not go to the front door, knock and explain what was happening?
Most big dealers would know not to send via mail. So if these people are stupid enough to send through the mail, you could probably ask them for it.
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If thats the case Kam, there is a drug dealer laughing his rear end off right now. If it's the truth, I'm kinda giggling with him.
:)
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A few more details on the drug ring from a local news station (WTOP):
BERWYN HEIGHTS, Md. - Marijuana found on the doorstep of a mayor's home was part of a large drug ring that shipped drugs to random homes, Prince George's County Police say.
Police say Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo does not appear to be connected.
The ring involved more than 400 pounds of marijuana being delivered to random addresses all over the county by an independent courier. Police say a third party would then pick up the marijuana.
Police have arrested two people in the case and confiscated 417 pounds of marijuana.
Police say they did not make a mistake when they raided Calvo's home and shot and killed his two black Labrador retrievers after seeing him bring a package addressed to his wife -which contained 32 pounds of marijuana - inside.
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My brother lives about 5 miles from this guy, could've been his house chosen (works 9-5, no one home...), which is why I'm wondering about this.
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I find it hard to believe that "no-knock" warrants are not existent in Maryland. Sounds pretty crummy if its true.
Morale of the story: Don't manufacture, distribute, sell or in anyway have anything to do with illegal drugs and the cops wont bust down your door and shoot your dogs.
The law applies to Mayors and their families as well
Wow, seriously, did you read the article. I mean, either you didn't or you have some sort of reading comprehension issue.
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Another no knock thread..on one side those who know it will never happen to them, on the other the criminals who have something to hide.
shamus
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Police say they did not make a mistake when they raided Calvo's home and shot and killed his two black Labrador retrievers after seeing him bring a package addressed to his wife -which contained 32 pounds of marijuana - inside.
Sure they did. Since they already knew how the drugs were being shipped they knew the people being shipped to were innocent. All they needed to do was knock on the door, explain what was going on. However, I have never seen a police agency apologize, or any government agency for that matter.
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Another no knock thread..on one side those who know it will never happen to them, on the other the criminals who have something to hide.
shamus
That 92 yr old lady a few months back probably never thought it would happen to her. She had nothing to hide either.....yet....now she is dead because of a no knock raid conducted with to little evidence.
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What kind of P***y is threatened by a Lab? Oh wait the kind who hides behind a mask and an MP-5 with dozens of his mates.
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My brother is a Fed and he has told me about a bust they made where they found out about a shipment of drugs and traced where it was going [a post office] and put an inside man in the post office to let them know when the package was picked up and they would be outside waiting for them coming out with the package.
As for the cops saying they felt threatened by a couple of Labs, thats pretty lame. I doubt any who is a drug dealer would have Labs as guard dogs. They simply did it to keep them from barking. I figure hes gonna be retiring from his mayors job a rich man.
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Its sad but Im sure since he is a politician that a lawsuit will bring him a ton of taxpayers money. Personally Id be mailing drugs to every one of those cops.
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And an additional question: After they kick your door in, shoot your dogs and determine you're innocent...do they fix the door, buy you new dogs and say "our bad"?
actually no, usually they get medals... :uhoh
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Another no knock thread..on one side those who know it will never happen to them, on the other the criminals who have something to hide.
shamus
"Only criminals with something to hide" are concerned about unconstitutional policies and abuses of authority? I sincerely hope you or any of your love ones never unknowingly has something shipped to your house, or the cops mistake any of your tomatoes for pot plants and decide it's time to look tough. You'll be singing a different song then, no doubt.
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You hope that happens bsdaddict, you really do? Think about what you've said harder.
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You hope that happens bsdaddict, you really do? Think about what you've said harder.
you're right, I don't. Didn't see your reply till after i reconsidered what I said and edited, don't really feel the need to share my original thought, suffice it to say I'm feeling much contempt for Shamus right now...
EDIT: for what shamus said...
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you're right, I don't. Didn't see your reply till after i reconsidered what I said and edited, don't really feel the need to share my original thought, suffice it to say I'm feeling much contempt for Shamus right now...
EDIT: for what shamus said...
You haven't read many of my posts on this type of subject have you?
shamus
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However, I have never seen a police agency apologize, or any government agency for that matter.
True.
Instead, give 'em medals! :rofl
http://www.startribune.com/local/26083024.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1 (http://www.startribune.com/local/26083024.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1)
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Shoot my Labs, I absolutely guarantee a high volume of return fire. And I don't use no pansy .223 either.
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Wouldn't they have enough common sense to get some some info on the Resident before a Raid of that magnitude.
They had to know it was the Mayor's home. A detective or any regular PO could have been sent to ask questions or make an arrest.
He wasn't a threat in other words.
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You haven't read many of my posts on this type of subject have you?
shamus
might have, but I haven't memorized your position on everything... ;) Apologies for not sensing the sarcasm, if that's what it was.
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This is another idiotic event that ties directly into the House bill to legalize marijuana.
32 pounds of ganja, first discovered in Arizona and followed by the Feds all the way to a no-knock raid on a Mayor's house in Va.
Was this worth the time and effort of the Feds? What did they save our society from? Stoners?
Hardly. MJ is like Prohibition booze. You've got Feds running around chasing this way and that to save society from the evils of alcohol while a very large percentage of the populace buys smuggled booze, makes their own bathtub gin and frequent speakeasys. All it led to was a huge waste of time, money, effort and blood. Now booze is legal and guess what? Not every citizen drinks, some drink responsibly and a minority over do it. Legal alcohol is a thriving business and a boon to the economy from the supermarket six-pack to the high dollar wine at restaurants and hard drinks at sports bars.
It is past time to legalize MJ and quit wasting our law enforcement effort, money and liberties on these no-knock raids that will.... mark my words... escalate until LEOs either change their tactics or start dying in increasing numbers.
I'm a pretty peaceable, lawful person. But if you break into my home and shoot at my dogs or my family, you're going to get a magazine of .308 in return. I don't give a damn if you are shouting "Police". The 4th Amendement still means something to me and I WILL fight for it.AS you can tell, these continual no-knock incidents have truly pissed me off.
Time to write your Representatives in support of the Frank/Paul bill on MJ. HR 5843 is the one.
Oh yeah.. tell them that they better get the cops to respect the 4th Amendment while they're at it.
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It is past time to legalize MJ and quit wasting our law enforcement effort, money and liberties on these no-knock raids that will.... mark my words... escalate until LEOs either change their tactics or start dying in increasing numbers.
Even if they start dying in increasing numbers, the LEO's themselves will just start shooting sooner. Better that an innocent civilian dies than an LEO on a bogus no knock raid right? :rolleyes:
There will be no apology from the police even to this mayor. I have no idea why government agencies are so against making an apology when they are wrong.
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They didn't just follow the package, Toad, they intercepted it and an undercover made the actual delivery. They were more concerned about making a case than they were about instigating a violent confrontation. They delivered the package and then staked out the house waiting for it to be taken inside. The cops saw the guy return home from walking his dogs, waited a bit and then burst in. It's not like they could have been surprised by the dogs presence, the cops were fully aware the dogs were inside that residence and took no precautions.
The way I see it, the cops facilitated the event by making the delivery, then escalated the situation by initiating a violent confrontation. Thankfully they only killed the dogs. The distressing thing is that this was not an isolated incident. We've heard many similar stories, yet the no-knock entries continue.
As a dog owner I'm incensed by the cops willingness to kill any dog that looks at them funny, and as an American I'm embarrassed that we're letting this happen. All in the name of the War on (the users of some) Drugs. Sick... :furious
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If you can withstand the wait and four hour interview (mandated by 9/11 legislation) you can always get a Class 3 weapon and then you are required by law to protect your home and guns with your life which means without a warrant and without calling before entering the law should expect to be met with a hail of fire.
http://www.tommygunshop.com/cgi-bin/itemdetail.asp?itmid=555
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As a dog owner I'm incensed by the cops willingness to kill any dog that looks at them funny, and as an American I'm embarrassed that we're letting this happen. All in the name of the War on (the users of some) Drugs. Sick... :furious
Yet when a K-9 cop is killed, the Police try to bring the criminal on murder charges.
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Even if they start dying in increasing numbers, the LEO's themselves will just start shooting sooner.
Cool with me. They start that toejam, the sooner we get to the 2nd American Revolution.
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Yet when a K-9 cop is killed, the Police try to bring the criminal on murder charges.
When the K-9 is killed (not the actual LEO) the police try to bring murder charges? Are you freaking kidding me? Link(s) please.
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A K9 is considered an officer of the law and yes you will be prosecuted.
http://www2.ci.harrisonburg.va.us/index.php?id=818
How they get dogs to swear to uphold the law is beyond me! Okay maybe not... :D
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Well, I couldn't find any links saying anyone was specifically charged with murder. But in most cases they were charged for the the deaths of the dog. One resulting in a 20 year sentence.
In most of the cases I read about, the suspects were pulled over at the time, and the dogs were released on them. In one case in Florida, the Police released Oozi the German Shepherd on a suspect and it resulted in a tussle between the suspect and the dog, the police thought they witnessed the suspect reaching for gun when they opened fire on the suspect and dog.
Lewis, of Lauderhill, has been charged with aggressive fleeing and eluding, aggravated assault with a motor vehicle, resisting arrest with violence and being principal to injure or kill a police dog.
Neither the Sheriff's Office nor Miami-Dade police would say whether any weapon was found on Lewis or in his car.
Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said Lewis is responsible for the dog's death regardless of who fired the fatal shot because of his actions that led to the confrontation.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-718oozi,0,2242190.story
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you people don't understand, when you have swat teams ( and every PD has to have them) you must use them or lose your funding.
go go go go downontheflordownontheflor. oh yeah we bad we bad.
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A K9 is considered an officer of the law and yes you will be prosecuted.
People consider their dogs family members too. So maybe the officers in this case should also be prosecuted for murdering 2 valued members of this family.
Nah, that will never happen....these types of things are NEVER a two way street, only private citizens can be prosecuted in this manner. :rolleyes:
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Shoot my Labs, I absolutely guarantee a high volume of return fire. And I don't use no pansy .223 either.
you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? Suppose it depends if you have extended family that would miss you really. I would like to think i had the restraint not to attack back, i am not certain i could hold it in practice though.
you people don't understand, when you have swat teams ( and every PD has to have them) you must use them or lose your funding.
go go go go downontheflordownontheflor. oh yeah we bad we bad.
:lol funny.... yet sadly true. the bastards over here do it with road works..... 'mend' the perfect road, tear it up, mend it again with new reflectors on the cat's eyes, 6 months later tear it all up and put back to how it was first.
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In Louisiana its legal to shoot anyone who breaks into your house and if you are a law abidding citizen you have no reason to fear a cop of doing so[ at least thats how it used to be]. If I'm at home and someone breaks in the door, they are gonna be staring down the barrle of a .45 automatic.
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This reminds me of another incident where a family dog was killed by police while the family looked on. :cry
These people were innocent also.
As a dog lover I was unable to watch the video to the end and hear the anguished cries of that poor family. :mad:
I hope this post violates no BBS rules.
If so,sorry Skuzzy. :pray
Regards,
Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0T2X1dXcI
Video shows police killing dog
Family considering legal action against police, highway patrol
COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.
The Smoak family was pulled over the evening of January 1 on Interstate 40 in eastern Tennessee by officers who mistakenly suspected them of a carjacking. An investigation showed James Smoak had simply left his wallet on the roof of his car at a gas station, and motorists who saw his money fly off the car as he drove away called police.
The family was driving through eastern Tennessee on their way home from a New Year trip to Nashville. They told CNN they are in the process of retaining a lawyer and considering legal action against the Cookeville, Tennessee, Police Department and the Tennessee Highway Patrol for what happened to them and their dog.
In the video, released by the highway patrol, officers are heard ordering the family, one by one, to get out of their car with their hands up. James Smoak and his wife, Pamela, and 17-year-old son Brandon are ordered onto their knees and handcuffed.
"What did I do?" James Smoak asks the officers.
"Sir, inside information is that you was involved in some type of robbery in Davidson County," the unidentified officer says.
Smoak and his wife protest incredulously, telling the officers that they are from South Carolina and that their mother and father-in-law are traveling in another car near them.
The Smoaks told CNN that as they knelt, handcuffed, they pleaded with officers to close the doors of their car so their two dogs would not escape, but the officers did not heed them.
Pamela Smoak is seen on the tape looking up at an officer, telling him slowly, "That dog is not mean. He won't hurt you."
Her husband says, "I got a dog in the car. I don't want him to jump out."
The tape then shows the Smoaks' medium-size brown dog romping on the shoulder of the Interstate, its tail wagging. As the family yells, the dog, named Patton, first heads away from the road, then quickly circles back toward the family.
An officer in a blue uniform aims his shotgun at the dog and fires at its head, killing it immediately.
For several moments, all that is audible are shrieks as the family reacts to the shooting. James Smoak even stands up, but officers pull him back down.
"Y'all shot my dog! Y'all shot my dog!" James Smoak cries. "Oh my God! God Almighty!"
"You shot my dog!" screams his wife, distraught and still handcuffed. "Why'd you kill our dog?"
"Jesus, tell me, why did y'all shoot my dog?" James Smoak says.
The officers bring him to the patrol car, and the family calms down, but still they ask the officers for an explanation. One of them says Patton was "going after" the officer.
"No he wasn't, man," James Smoak says. "Y'all didn't have to kill the dog like that."
Brandon told CNN that Patton, was playful and gentle -- "like Scooby-Doo" -- and may have simply gone after the beam of the flashlight as he often did at home, when Brandon and the dog would play.
The Tennessee Department of Safety, which oversees the Highway Patrol, has said an investigation is underway.
'Could have been avoided'
Cookeville Police Chief Robert Terry released a statement on the department's Web site Wednesday night describing the department's regret over the incident. The Cookeville Police Department site was not responding Thursday morning.
"I know the officer wishes that circumstances could have been different so he could have prevented shooting the dog," Terry wrote. "It is never gratifying to have to put an animal down, especially a family pet, and the officer assures me that he never displayed any satisfaction in doing so."
Terry said he and the vice-mayor of Cookeville met with the family before they left "to convey our deepest sympathies" for the loss of their dog.
"No one wants to experience this kind of thing, and it's very unfortunate that it occurred," he wrote. "If we had the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure some -- if not all of this -- could have been avoided. I believe the Tennessee Highway Patrol feels the same way."
The department is conducting an investigation to determine what, if anything, could have been done differently, he said. Police also plan to be in contact with the Smoak family, Terry said.
The Smoaks buried their pet at home. A white cross marks the grave.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/09/police.kill.dog/
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you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? tear it all up and put back to how it was first.
We're ALL going to die; the only question is why, how and when.
If I had to pick a reason, I'd say defending the 4th Amendment is as good as any. Death by bullet is as good as any, better than most. The problem is that 75% of the cops can't shoot to save their bellybutton so they'd have to gnaw you to death with 70-100 rounds like the NYC cops do. As for when, I'd say when the government breaks down your door and kills your dogs for no good reason, that'd be a fine time.
This toejam has to stop some where. The line has to be drawn... again. The shot at Lexington is still known as the "shot heard round the world".
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Oh boy all the Internet killers are engaged in their latest "shoot the no-knocking cop" thread. I can just see you guys frothing at the mouth while sitting in front of your workstations in your jam-jams, fondling your favorite .45 .
And all it takes is a headline. Yaknow I get coffee at a gas station in the morning and watch people as they pick up their newspapers, read the headlines, and make all their comments. Its actually quite fascinating to observe the power of a headline to shape public opinion even in a free society. All a news source had to do is say it, or frame it, in a way their customers want to hear it and they get an instant sale. And nothing sells better then something negative about the Police. Thousands of careers have been made by people doing exactly that. Anyway, thats what I do. I watch people. I spend countless hours watching people.
And while it fascinates me it also frightens me that people are so supremely stupid they will go thru their day repeating some news headline like its the Gospel truth. Even in a free society they are that stupid.
Which is why I believe in the science of evolution and not the religious one. Because the religious one states that we are made in Gods image and I dont believe God could possibly be that stupid. If he is then we are all in big trouble.
So I will leave this thread to all the cop killers and revolutionaries. :lol
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you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? Suppose it depends if you have extended family that would miss you really. I would like to think i had the restraint not to attack back, i am not certain i could hold it in practice though.
Yes, he'd likely die. He'd also not hesitate. That's the difference between sheeple and Men.
... of course, since your a 'subject' of the crown; your familiarity with the concept is purely historical, abstract at best. It's kinda sad... from 'Hearts of Oak' to souls of pudding. And so goes the Empire, enh; wot?
Here, the concept is not abstract... this victim had no reason to believe his home and family were under attack.. or would be. Give Toad and the folks like him here even the slightest inkling he's going to be next; I suspect he won't be waiting for them... he and others like us will be 'on the road to concord green'.
Oh boy all the Internet killers are engaged in their latest "shoot the no-knocking cop" thread. I can just see you guys frothing at the mouth while sitting in front of your workstations in your jam-jams, fondling your favorite .45 .
Yes, I'm aware there are Sheeple like you living amongst us. Pitiful creatures, willing to sacrifice freedom for 'security'. The urbane law-abiding sheeple that just had his dogs murdered and his home invaded is NOW intimately aware of the price of handing to a federal agency the authority to do these things to the citizens of their quiet towns and suburbs.
I wonder if he's a fan of the system now?
When your door comes flying off the hinges one day; remember ; you asked for it.
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hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.
protect and serve?
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hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.
protect and serve?
Could be. The majority of cops are just normal guys; doing a job; working in their community.
Then there's the cops that have been 'screeened' into more aggressive roles. For them, instant escalation when any hint of a threat is discerned is typical... (like a big happy pooch with a wagging tail) and at that moment the concept of 'us' and 'them' crystallizes. After an event like this conducted by a local cop, he's forever; in the eyes of the community he ostensibly serves, a killer.
Which is why these 'ops' guys wear masks. If any cop; ever; is faced with the choice of going on an 'operation' where a 'mask' is required; & he then dons that mask and goes out to usurp the rights of citizens, then he's the enemy... in his own mind, as well as in mine.
..and the gloves come off. He's there for the bear; and I'll oblige the challenge. I'll likely lose; but I'll fight.
Bastards.
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hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.
protect and serve?
Gagagagagagagagagaga gaga :lol
And now weve reach the point where everyone of these types of threads eventually end up at.
And thats Gaga. Gagas babbling Gaga...and the gloves come off. He's there for the bear; and I'll oblige the challenge. I'll likely lose; but I'll fight.
Thats the spirit. Give em hell killer. :D
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hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.
protect and serve?
Thats what he says anyways.....
We have several LEO and former LEO folks on this board that are highly respected....Rich just ain't one of them. ;)
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We have several LEO and former LEO folks on this board that are highly respected....
Yup. Key word; that. 'Respect'.
:salute
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I live in Maryland, not in the area this happened, but out in the sticks.
We've adopted several prisons in this area and with them have come a higher
incidence of drug related crimes. Much more than before the prisons were
built.
What worries me since this happened in my wife is always ordering stuff off
of E-Bay, and online. Nearly everyday I come home to find a package addressed
to her on the porch. Which I naturally pick up and take into the house without
even paying attention to the return address. A mail bomber would love me cause
I'd die clueless.
In my opinion the police over reacted, plain and simple, had it been my house I
would have died. Cause anybody that's got the nerve to break down my door is
going to be dealt with with extreme prejudice.
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It seems the police could have knocked on the door and asked about the package and if they were aware it contained 30 something pounds of marijuana. They could tell if someone was lying right off the bat.
Who here would accept a strange package they weren't expecting, especially one that was packed with weed? What would you do, open it outdoors and call the cops, or take it inside first and then call the cops? Seems like a phone call could have done it. The police could have called them on the telephone and warned them what was up and they were coming right over. They could have said something like, do not resist and you will be ok. Put away any dogs. We are trying to get to the bottom of this. Be right over.
Les
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Gagagagagagagagagaga gaga :lol
And now weve reach the point where everyone of these types of threads eventually end up at.
And thats Gaga. Gagas babbling Gaga. Thats the spirit. Give em hell killer. :D
You've typed a lot, but said nothing. Back to your donuts.
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Thats what he says anyways.....
We have several LEO and former LEO folks on this board that are highly respected....Rich just ain't one of them. ;)
Frankly I'd kinda feel sorry for any real LEO looking for respect here. With some of this crowd, in these kinda threads, and with you in particular.
Frankly, I gotta tellya that. The only respect I care about are in this game is with the few I fly with. Not with a bunch of cop obsessed sweetheartbags in the bi-weekly, "I wanna shoot-a-cop in a no knock" thread.
Heres my favorite sweetheartbag.
It is past time to legalize MJ and quit wasting our law enforcement effort, money and liberties on these no-knock raids that will.... mark my words... escalate until LEOs either change their tactics or start dying in increasing numbers.
And you think I care about your respect? :lol
Unlike most, if not all, of you Ive been in gunfights, been shot at, made every kinda pinch you can think of, and been in every kinda incident you can think of. And I have the respect of everyone whos been there with me. So Your respect is meaningless.
And I dont talk casually about killing. And dont brag about it, cause all life is precious. The lives of POs, of citizens, and of the pets we keep as family members.
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The police are pretty cool really. Years ago I was drunk and made some mischief by shooting a rifle at a tree in my back yard. This was in city limits and not allowed. The police showed up and knocked on he door and asked if I had heard any shots fired around there. I said no. They asked if I had a dog and I said yes and offered to call him over and they laughed and said no don't do that.
They left and sat in their squad car outside the house for about 20 minutes until I decided I better fess up. I told them I was drunk and fired the shot and was sorry and I wouldn't do it again. They said, we were worried about the dog and since he is alright there's nothing to be concerned about. They said, Mr. Thompson this is a quiet neighborhood, lots of old people live here. Don't be firing any more shots.
Then they left.
Les
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Frankly I'd kinda feel sorry for any real LEO looking for respect here. With some of this crowd, in these kinda threads, and with you in particular.
Most decent folks here have no need to worry about gaining respect. OTOH, I can see why a turd with a badge pinned to it might be a bit uncomfortable in decent company.
Frankly, I gotta tellya that. The only respect I care about are in this game is with the few I fly with. Not with a bunch of cop obsessed sweetheartbags in the bi-weekly, "I wanna shoot-a-cop in a no knock" thread.
And theres a few Men here that have no use for an arrogant cop that thinks his job description earns him the right to step beyond the law to enforce it. So which are you Rich? A law-abiding cop doing his job with humility and respect for the people he's supposed to be protecting or are you one of those dirtbags that enjoys killin parrots and dogs for kicks on Friday nights out with the Ninja's?... I mean when yer not doing the airplane game thing online or playing 'talk to the hand' on the BBS when the subject matter hits close to home?
Unlike most, if not all, of you Ive been in gunfights, been shot at, made every kinda pinch you can think of, and been in every kinda incident you can think of. And I have the respect of everyone whos been there with me. So Your respect is meaningless.
Yup... pretty clear yer in a job you dearly enjoy. But you error in assuming that there are no others out here with experience far vaster than yours. And if the only respect you require or desire is from your fellow 'peace officers' then you do in fact make the point for all the folks out there wondering just which side of the tyranny issue you are really on...
...is it any wonder that public servants with attitudes like yours are detested by the service men and women that fought and sacrificed for the rights and freedom of others? It's nothing short of betrayal of a sacred public trust.. but you'll never understand that; will you?
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Frankly I'd kinda feel sorry for any real LEO looking for respect here.
The LEO's and former LEO's that command respect here in this community didn't come here looking for respect. All the same, they earned that respect with rational posts and not looking down their noses at the rest of us. Two of them that come to mind are Maverick and REPOMAN.
I do think that Mr. Hangtime has covered the rest quite nicely. :salute
is it any wonder that public servants with attitudes like yours are detested by the service men and women that fought and sacrificed for the rights and freedom of others? It's nothing short of betrayal of a sacred public trust.. but you'll never understand that; will you?
Hopefully one day you will get it. Your last two posts in this thread sure show you don't get it now.
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The more and more I think about it, I can only come to one logical conclusion.
The only punishment for these cops is execution, or expulsion from this country forever. Their choice.
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Doestoevski would say you are wrong. Have you read Crime and Punishment?
Les
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I think there are other solutions. This would be a good source for ideas:
http://www.amazon.com/Torture-Collection-Sanford-Levinson/dp/0195172892/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218355175&sr=8-4
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They always talk like they are better then citizens. let them be. When I screw up in my job, I get fired, no one dies.
If they screw up, Shoot them in the head. Then I will give some respect to the bananas like our own here.
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Read the Communist Manifesto and write an essay about it. That is your assignment.
Les
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The only thing I see is in the 2nd American Revolution is a Kommisarbefehl relating to captured piggys.