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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on August 12, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
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Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.
Game over.
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Rot in Hell.
You think you won, but infact you lost on so many levels.
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Rot in Hell.
Dont worry about it, he'd probably choke on the sweet air of freedom if he ever came to America :noid
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He's BEEN to Amreeka.
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He's BEEN to Amreeka.
Take not he's BEEN, not STAYED. :D
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Dont worry about it, he'd probably choke on the sweet air of freedom if he ever came to America :noid
Have been there two times, in 89 and 06.
You can't imagine the degree of personal freedom we've got here in Russia.
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Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.
Game over.
They beat a far smaller side that was equipped with the very early models of the same equipment.
I don't think anybody expected them to pull off what Finland did.
If the Russians hadn't won... that would have been kind of pathetic.
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Have been there two times, in 89 and 06.
You can't imagine the degree of personal freedom we've got here in Russia.
I probably can now, but I couldn't back when it was the Soviet Union.
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Hmmmm, there *is* a resemblance...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg)
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In Russia is freedom of speech. In America is also freedom after speech.
In America, you watch television. In Soviet Union, television watches you.
In America, you check books out of library. In Soviet Union, library checks you out.
In California, you can always find a party. In Russia, The Party can always find you.
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Hmmmm, there *is* a resemblance...
(http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/7/2/3/8/272385bf1af88b2db72ed5daa28c0c04_full.jpg)
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(http://img12.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/e/b/f/b/5/ebfb5ba88ae7e1640bbd03e7feeedb4a_full.jpg)
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(http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/7/2/3/8/272385bf1af88b2db72ed5daa28c0c04_full.jpg)
Yep, definately some resemblance, both physically and mentally.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1126328163_5398.jpg)
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So,the Russians crushed a...county. Welcome to Russian blitzkrieg :devil
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(http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/7/2/3/8/272385bf1af88b2db72ed5daa28c0c04_full.jpg)
Yep, definately some resemblance, both physically and mentally.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1126328163_5398.jpg)
Thanks for the pic. Unfortunately I am half-Russian half-Ukrainian, pure Slavic blood. Perfect target for elimination, ain't I? Hippyish Orthodox priest :)
Rip, read it and please try to understand: we are defending our citizens, targeted for genocide by your allies. We are deadly serious. C'mon, fight us.
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Rip, read it and please try to understand: we are defending our citizens, targeted for genocide by your allies. We are deadly serious. C'mon, fight us.
LMAO..that is rich. Don't let that little victory over a tiny country go to your head. The current Russian military wouldn't stand a chance against America. Hell, you guys got beat by farmers using our weapons in Afghanistan. Imagine how things would go with those weapons in the hands of trained soldiers. Save the chest thumping, you are sounding more and more like a moron by the second.
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Its kinda good that this is over. If the US had gotten involved even in a less subtle way it would have escalated. . .
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BFD...If Alabama wanted to break away I am sure that the US military could crush us as well in just a few days of total war.
I will give you Russkies one thing though. You have shown that you are willing to wipe out an enemy no matter what size they are to accomplish the goal. It just sucks when the other country can't field more than a few thousand troops against the New Soviet Socialcapitalist Republic.
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So,the Russians crushed a...county. Welcome to Russian blitzkrieg :devil
Country!?... Just another limitroph starving on US feed.
(http://img13.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/b/5/0/1/9/b50197b948ed5a6e542268282385f51a_full.jpg)
PREVED! :)
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New Soviet Socialcapitalist Republic.
Sig material!
Thanks. You made my day :)
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Glad I could help you boost your ego even more... :D
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See Rule #16
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Translate it please :huh
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Don't bother, just go away...please.
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well done Russia.
Always good to see a country clamping down on unforced aggression with even more aggression.
:salute
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Don't bother, just go away...please.
Truth bites your eyes?
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Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili
"As you know the enclaves of South Ossetia previously controlled by the Georgian government and by local administration headed by ethnic Ossetian Dimitri Sanakoev has been ethnically cleansed by intruding Russian troops, and I get very worrying reports - some of them look to be unfortunately credible - of point-blank executions, on-sight killings, some people taken into some kind of camps or some internal places in Kurta and Vladikavkaz."
Camps? Point blank executions? on-sight killings? say it aint so borda..
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(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080812/i/r911393574.jpg?x=400&y=329&sig=.en0uyK42axpHV6RiMFEhw--)
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(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/char020.gif)
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LMAO at MoeRon and Shifty. :rofl
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FOURTH BALLAD
TO ANDREY DAVYDOV
In Moscow explode ground-based transport - taxi, the trolley buses, entire contract. In the metro of the special forces unit is checked the passport in all, who [cheren] are bearded, And this lasts the seventh day. In the eyes in mayor the melancholy stands. At the sight each forgotten bag driver makes demands on demolition expert. About that, who accepted fault for the explosions, they do not know accurately, but much will lie. Its motives are incomprehensible, its route is not predicted, As anger Of [gospoden]. And because Moscow strikes this trembling. Already long ago would become furious disturbance, but you will not trample against the trade. And only dawn reflection on the dark-blue windows in six mornings will decay, Youth, who purposely left into leave, arises from the bed. To him time. Not [obinuyas] and without varying, but piously believing in its fate, It quickly jumps into that trolley bus, which moves to the pipe And further turns along the avenues (" [Rossiya]" - Pushkin - Arbat - ponds) - To [zane] youth possesses gift to save fellow-travelers from the misfortune. To spit, that its faith is naive. It is unimportant, as they there call it. It loves happy and mutually, and therefore it they will not explode. The wave of retributions will not touch it, although the selection of victim is not explained. He this knows and drives, it drives, storing any, who next to it. And here he will go.
It will go past the spotty squares, where the screech of the playing little-ones It caresses the ears of pensioners and heats merciful drunks, It will go past the chutes, the kiosks, the dogs, the dog lovers, the old men, Ridiculously kissing themselves adolescents, ridiculously serious graduates, It will go past the native idylls, where yard habitable cosiness is entire, Along those avenues, where we wandered, without assuming that they will kill us, I however there worked [Khronos], crushing asphalt and gnawing granite, You look, still and now they will not touch: strange youth will guard. … Hardly dawn will stain with blood glass and city it will fluoresce again, In the court leaves the old man, not so many who get tiredded to live as get tiredded to wait. Soldier- traitor, soldier- traitor, who brought there is no time anger of creator, he waits forgiveness, but creator does not dispatch after it his messenger. After it will be none of watching us deaths. It is drier than the weathered stone and the ancient manuscript turn yellow. It looks dully and apathetic at the eternally lasting game, But that tortures it hourly, will for the first time serve good. And here it will go. It will go past the loud tradings and the poor fights for the free soup, It will go past the hospitals and the morgues, the putrefying dumps, the [torchashchikh] pipes, Along the streets, which hide predatory habit in the favor of young burdock, It will go past the continuous fences with the barbed wire above, It will go past the hungry assemblages, which take everyone into the revolution, Where each cry it is equal of [pozoryashch] for those, who listen to and yell, Where, being shut by unskilled worker, [vnimanya] requires insolent [smerd], it will go past all that, than accordingly [brezguyut] life and death: As the angel of hell, it will go by hell - Aidas, that is descended into the Aidas, Storing from the loss of all, who next (although each believes that itself it stores). Thus I, after being placed between the youth and the old man, in June, into six, conceal desperate hope for the fact that all this so there is: Thus far I by them write roles, will not collapse sky, explosion will not gasp, And the peace, obedient to the creating will, does not disappear into the abyss, until I am living. Neither crash of explosion nor howl of siren will burst out at once, Moscow Glusha, As far as I mutter [katreny] about two masks of your, soul. And here is I food.
Translated via BabelFish. I apologize for my non-interest driven failure to fix the grammar.
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dosent translate to English very well...(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/confused009.gif)
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Along those avenues, where we wandered, without assuming that they will kill us
Thanks, BabelFish got muuuch better then I have thought.
Or do you speak Russian?...
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No, I only speak English and Spanish....
it was Yahoo.
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(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080812/i/r911393574.jpg?x=400&y=329&sig=.en0uyK42axpHV6RiMFEhw--)
So far I remember Yugoslavia and Iraq.
MLRS against populated city. Dixi.
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Thanks for the pic. Unfortunately I am half-Russian half-Ukrainian, pure Slavic blood. Perfect target for elimination, ain't I? Hippyish Orthodox priest :)
Rip, read it and please try to understand: we are defending our citizens, targeted for genocide by your allies. We are deadly serious. C'mon, fight us.
If you really want us to fight you try invading Israel like you were preparing to do in the '70's. That will definitely get our attention.
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Rot in Hell.
You think you won, but infact you lost on so many levels.
To tell someone to rot in hell implies that you're religious. :uhoh
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Is Georgia not a sovereign nation? Was the government elected freely by the people of that nation? If these are true statements, then we have to assume that Russia is back to its old habits on trying to control what used to be Soviet dominated territory. Putin and the puppet that was selected by him, are trying to bring about the return of a Soviet Socialist State. What a scary thought. Typical of how Russia has handled things in the past. Blow in, destroy everything and then ask questions.
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Blow in, destroy everything and then ask questions.
Kinda the same as west.
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If you really want us to fight you try invading Israel like you were preparing to do in the '70's. That will definitely get our attention.
Unlike the US - Israel is threatened by terrorists like we are.
US-fed terrorists.
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So far I remember Yugoslavia and Iraq.
MLRS against populated city. Dixi.
Dont be mad our MLRS owned the russian weapons they were using, I would love to see your proof that we launched one of the worlds most deadly systems into a populated city that was littered with messages telling tem to leave :aok
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Unlike the US - Israel is threatened by terrorists like we are.
US-fed terrorists.
In case you didn't notice the US has been more than just threatened by terrorists. If Russia no longer has designs on the middle east then we can all rest easier. Of course I don't think anyone actually believes that to be true.
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Kinda the same as west.
Let me put this in the context you might understand. If you're an officer (US) enforcing the law (UN) and you've given a suspect (Saddam) 15 chances to take his hands out of his pockets to show you that he has no weapons, wouldn't you shoot?
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who the heck started this war anyway...lol
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Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.
Game over.
Woot! The Big Russian Bear over came the opposition of a small country! I guess after getting your arses kicked in Afghanistan, being kicked out of Eastern Europe and getting your arses handed back to you in Chechnya, you'll take a win where ever you can eek one out.
ack-ack
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Is Georgia not a sovereign nation? Was the government elected freely by the people of that nation? If these are true statements, then we have to assume that Russia is back to its old habits on trying to control what used to be Soviet dominated territory. Putin and the puppet that was selected by him, are trying to bring about the return of a Soviet Socialist State. What a scary thought. Typical of how Russia has handled things in the past. Blow in, destroy everything and then ask questions.
This deserves a long answer.
Georgia was a part of a Russian Empire. In 1799 Georgian king begged on his knees to fall under Russia's proterctive hand.
"Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government.
Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.
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http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showpost.php?p=599419&postcount=4
A view from my Kazakh friend.
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Rip, read it and please try to understand: we are defending our citizens, targeted for genocide by your allies.
You really aren't very bright are you. There is no evidence of genocide, only Soviet style propaganda. The Ossets are only citizens in name, in fact, they are also Georgian citizens since they were born in the province of South Ossetia, Georgia.
Your delusions know no bounds do they?
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LMAO at MoeRon and Shifty. :rofl
I'll second that. :rofl
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All in all, Georgian separatist summed it up nice in a short tv interview:
(not a direct quote, hope you'll understand what i'm trying to remember)
"I am just being a patriot and defending my country, Georgian soldiers is just defending his country too, he shoots and i shoot back"
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This deserves a long answer.
Georgia was a part of a Russian Empire. In 1799 Georgian king begged on his knees to fall under Russia's proterctive hand.
"Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government.
Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.
The region of present-day Georgia contained the ancient kingdoms of Colchis and Kartli-Iberia. The area came under Roman influence in the first centuries A.D. and Christianity became the state religion in the 330s. Domination by Persians, Arabs, and Turks was followed by a Georgian golden age (11th-13th centuries) that was cut short by the Mongol invasion of 1236. Subsequently, the Ottoman and Persian empires competed for influence in the region.
Georgia was absorbed into the Russian Empire in the 19th century. Independent for three years (1918-1921) following the Russian revolution, it was forcibly incorporated into the USSR until the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.
An attempt by the incumbent Georgian government to manipulate national legislative elections in November 2003 touched off widespread protests that led to the resignation of Eduard SHEVARDNADZE, president since 1995.
New elections in early 2004 swept Mikheil SAAKASHVILI into power along with his National Movement party. Progress on market reforms and democratization has been made in the years since independence, but this progress has been complicated by two ethnic conflicts in the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. These two territories remain outside the control of the central government and are ruled by de facto, unrecognized governments, supported by Russia. Russian-led peacekeeping operations continue in both regions.
You don't believe your own press? Pravda. LOL!
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You don't believe your own press? Pravda. LOL!
He only believes what he chooses to believe, no matter how ridiculous it is. :D
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OK!!! You answered part of it. Georgia is a sovereign nation that is NOT part of Russia anymore. They are defending their land from terrorists. What the hay is wrong with that?
Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.
Kind of a nasty comment to them if you ask me.
Russian-led peacekeeping operations continue in both regions.
An oxymoron if you ask me. Russian led "peacekeeping." LOL
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By the way, Eduard SHEVARDNADZE was the former Foreign Minister of the Soviet Union.
Kinda cracks me up... the Georgians chuck out a former soviet crook caught red-handed trying to manipulate an election, resigns and the nation holds new elections. This becomes ""Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government."
Kinda like Ford overthrowing the American government after Nixon gets caught manipulating his election.
LOL!
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In Russia is freedom of speech. In America is also freedom after speech.
In America, you watch television. In Soviet Union, television watches you.
In America, you check books out of library. In Soviet Union, library checks you out.
In California, you can always find a party. In Russia, The Party can always find you.
Well said....<S>
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See Rule #7
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See Rule #7
If the UN is to ever have any real authority, the veto power given to the USA, Russia, China, France and Great Britain needs to be taken away. Until then, the UN is just a real bad joke.
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Boroda...I woudn't jump up and down just yet. It's looking like this is gonna cost Russia more than what they get out of it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia)
And...Even though his removal was one of the stated aims' of your offensive, Mikhail Saakashvili is still the president of Georgia. Georgia's still an independent country, and still a U.S. ally. Although the two provinces' under dispute are still under Russian control, It looks' like the Kremlin was forced to cave to the court of world opinion, so...You might not wanna call this a victory yet, either.
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lol anyone saw the Georgian rally with Saakashvilli on CNN? The Georgian president seems to be getting a lot of air time on CNN
Also, I saw US flags being waved by Georgians in Tblissi.
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remember the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1956, Russian tanks against unarmed Hungarians. Brave Russia won that one also.
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Boroda...I woudn't jump up and down just yet. It's looking like this is gonna cost Russia more than what they get out of it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia)
And...Even though his removal was one of the stated aims' of your offensive, Mikhail Saakashvili is still the president of Georgia. Georgia's still an independent country, and still a U.S. ally. Although the two provinces' under dispute are still under Russian control, It looks' like the Kremlin was forced to cave to the court of world opinion, so...You might not wanna call this a victory yet, either.
cWe don't want any vermins here.
Dot.
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remember the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1956, Russian tanks against unarmed Hungarians. Brave Russia won that one also.
Yeah, Georgias armed force have, or had, like 70 T-72 tanks and like 7 fighters.
Hardly like NATO traveling 1/2 across the world and anhiliating the worlds 3rd largest ground army in 72 hours.
I'd be to embarrassed to call this a victory.
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cWe don't want any vermins here.
Dot.
...If you don't, then, why did you stop with the job half-way done???
I mean, you do know that after this, the U.S. might just re-equip a larger, and more determined, Georgian army?
And, Russia still doesn't control the pipelines' through the area.
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Lookie here, armchair guys.
You wouldn't write so much "US would" etc etc, if your chair was on fire.....
Russia would roll over Georgia if they were determined to do so well before any US aid was at hand.
And would the US plummet into the fight?
Maybe, and if so, the news would begin to become interesting as long as they'd be available....
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Lookie here, armchair guys.
You wouldn't write so much "US would" etc etc, if your chair was on fire.....
Russia would roll over Georgia if they were determined to do so well before any US aid was at hand.
And would the US plummet into the fight?
Maybe, and if so, the news would begin to become interesting as long as they'd be available....
Mmmm I agree.
Unlike you guys (oh sorry you not an enemy :))
Russia occupied Georgia for 200 years my ass.
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Call off the airstrikes and go help bury your cousin's. Perhaps, without a rifle this time.
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(http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/7/2/3/8/272385bf1af88b2db72ed5daa28c0c04_full.jpg)
Yep, definately some resemblance, both physically and mentally.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1126328163_5398.jpg)
:lol
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Russia occupied Georgia for 200 years my ass.
...well, actually there was 4 years of freedom.. between 1918 when in the power vacuum created by the violent end of the imperial empire allowed the Gerogians to toss of the imperial yoke, to all the way to 1921... when russians now wearing red stars re-invaded to install the soviet yoke...
Da, Comrade! We are here to free you from oppression!
LOL!
The revolution of 1917 in Russia intensified the struggle between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks in Georgia. In May 1918, Georgia declared its independence under the protection of Germany. Georgia turned toward Germany to prevent opportunistic invasion by the Turks; the move also resulted from Georgians' perception of Germany as the center of European culture. The major European powers recognized Georgia's independence, and in May 1920, Russian leader Vladimir I. Lenin officially followed suit.
After independence was declared in 1918, the Georgian Bolsheviks campaigned to undermine the Menshevik leader Zhordania, and in 1921 the Red Army invaded Georgia and forced him to flee. From 1922 until 1936, Georgia was part of a united Transcaucasian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic (TSFSR) within the Soviet Union. In 1936 the federated republic was split up as Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, which remained separate Soviet socialist republics of the Soviet Union until the end of 1991.
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Yeah, Georgias armed force have, or had, like 70 T-72 tanks and like 7 fighters.
I posted figures in the other thread, Georgia had roughly 245 tanks, 40 of them T-55's.
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Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.
Game over.
I felt the same way after we prevailed in Grenada. It was a close one there for awhile.
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I felt the same way after we prevailed in Grenada. It was a close one there for awhile.
:aok :salute :aok
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the video I saw showed dead Georgian children and old women crying for help bleeding profusely in the debris of exploded apartment buildings....all thanks to russian "freedom fighters.
Sure, boroda is proud of killing "those vermin" but the truth is that Georgian soldiers appeared to have fought bravely against overwhelming odds.
Putin cleansed Americas guilt accumulated over 5 years in the sandbox in less than five days in the Georgia.
My heart is with the Georgians.
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the video I saw showed dead Georgian children and old women crying for help bleeding profusely in the debris of exploded apartment buildings....all thanks to russian "freedom fighters.
Sure, boroda is proud of killing "those vermin" but the truth is that Georgian soldiers appeared to have fought bravely against overwhelming odds.
Putin cleansed Americas guilt accumulated over 5 years in the sandbox in less than five days in the Georgia.
My heart is with the Georgians.
What got me convinced the Georgians are worth helping was the civilians... BBC crew caught a retreating Georgian BTR wheeling in the road and providing cover fire for some retreating civilian POV's, as the bullet scarred POV's came by, half the POV's pulled up behind the BTR, out of 'em come pissed civilians with rifles and ak's... they start laying down fire up the road with the BTR; keeping the route open for more civilian POV's coming up...
I'd say the Georgians definitely understand the stakes... and are certainly willing to fight right alongside their troops. Courageous bastards.. hope they kick the russki's out. Given the means, I think they'll get it done.
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Boroda, everyone is going to see stories (truth or fiction, it doesn't matter) of what happened during the Russian military action. This will work against you and your country, it may even force Nato to accept not only Georgia but maybe Ukraine into the NATO umbrella.
Putin did this just to make a show of force and it is reminiscent of Germany's early war mobilizations. I'm sure your country and all the veterans of the 'Great Patriotic War' should be very proud, maybe now Russia can build some re-education camps. Oh, that's right, you already have... just like Germany did.
As the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, 'He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself; and if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss will gaze into you'.
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Boroda, everyone is going to see stories (truth or fiction, it doesn't matter) of what happened during the Russian military action. This will work against you and your country, it may even force Nato to accept not only Georgia but maybe Ukraine into the NATO umbrella.
Yup. Nailed it.
WARSAW (AFP) — A traumatic history at the hands of the Kremlin and enduring fears of Russia are the root of the staunch backing for Georgia offered by Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine, analysts say.
In an unusual step Tuesday the leaders of ex-communist Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine went to Georgia for what they called a called a show of support for the former Soviet republic after Russia's assault.
"Our visit is a sign of the solidarity of our five countries with the Georgian nation, which has been a victim of aggression," Poland's President Lech Kaczynski told reporters.
"Once again, Russia has shown its true face," he said.
On Saturday, Poland and the Baltic states had as "former captive nations" of the Soviet Union issued a joint statement calling on the EU and NATO to oppose Russia's "imperialist" policy towards Georgia.
Fear of Russia cuts deep, said Bartosz Cichocki, an expert at the Polish Institute for International Affairs.
"These nations still remember how in 1939 the Soviet army crossed into their territory to purportedly defend the rights of ethnic minorities," he said, referring to the invasion at the start of World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sealed a pact to carve up Poland and the Baltic states.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7WLv8fmle18Cr0LDgkWEQR_hs3g (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7WLv8fmle18Cr0LDgkWEQR_hs3g)
Now, the 64 dollar question, will history repeat... will the EU sell em out again?
"We're Georgia's closest friend in the region. We've suffered the same kind of violence," senior Lithuanian foreign ministry official Zygimantas Pavilionis told AFP.
The Baltic states were scarred by Soviet rule.
On June 14, 1941, tens of thousands of their people were herded onto cattle trains and shipped out to the far eastern reaches of the Soviet Union, where many died.
Moscow's deportation drive was cut short when the Nazis turned on their erstwhile allies on June 22, 1941, pushing the Red Army out of the Baltic states as they invaded the Soviet Union.
In 1944, however, the Soviets ended the Nazis' own bloody occupation, and began a new wave of deportations lasting into the 1950s.
Poles, meanwhile, remember the Soviet killing of some 22,000 Polish POWs in 1940 in what became known as the Katyn massacre, as well as the brutality of communist rule after the war.
Moscow has argued that its assault on Georgia was in part meant to protect Russian citizens in South Ossetia, a breakaway region that Tbilisi had tried to bring to heel.
That rattles Estonia and Latvia, in particular, because Russian-speakers make up around a third of their populations -- a legacy of a Soviet-era settlement drive to tip the ethnic balance.
"If military aggression is being justified by the need to protect Russian citizens, then this should cause concern for all countries with Russian nationals living within their borders," Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said Saturday.
Lithuania's President Valdas Adamkus on Tuesday said the West must remember past failings.
"We can't allow a second Munich, when the international community climbed down to Hitler. That led to World War II, to a huge tragedy and millions of victims," he said.
Gee..... wonder what Sarkozy had in his briefcase when he left Moscow?
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Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.
Game over.
A big WTG on kicking that dumb Saakashvili out of SO :aok. Hope you took out a large part of their equipment.
Not such a big fan of russian troops going beyond SO but i guess Georgia learned a few very valuable lessons.
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Why some people continue to ignore the simple fact that who started the hostilities is in dispute is beyond me. South Ossetia/Russia claims Georgia started it. Georgia claims separatists shelled villages outside of South Ossetia.
Fact is, there have been skirmishes between the two sides for some time now. Yet people still say.....I'm sure glad Russia stomped the crap out of them! :rolleyes:
One day we might know the truth of the matter, but today we don't.
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Yet everyone here automaticly thinks Russia is at fault. For the first time in decades i think they had a just cause and a right to do what they did to defend the citizens of SO. How the Georgian presidents plays the media and how he tries to involve "The West" to help him tells me lots.
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Why some people continue to ignore the simple fact that who started the hostilities is in dispute is beyond me. South Ossetia/Russia claims Georgia started it. Georgia claims separatists shelled villages outside of South Ossetia.
Fact is, there have been skirmishes between the two sides for some time now. Yet people still say.....I'm sure glad Russia stomped the crap out of them! :rolleyes:
One day we might know the truth of the matter, but today we don't.
We've got a LOT more russians in brooklyn than there are in georgia. lets say Brooklyn, having a significant number of expat russians; decided to become an autonomous region and tossed out the fed and state courts, fired the cops and installed their own leaders.. and the state police rolled into town the next day and walked into an artillery barrage, delivered by a brigade of russian 'volunteers'...
.. the state police gets reinforced by the national guard...
which gets slapped by russian air and armor units put ashore by russian warships...
... all in the name of 'protecting russian citizens'.
I think I understand Nils now.... I'd let 'em have brooklyn. can't stand the place... anything the russians did to it would be an improvement.
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They aren't withdrawing to their original start-lines' on the north side of the Ossetian border, according to some of these late breaking stories.
18 minutes ago
TBILISI, Georgia - The head of Georgia's national security council said Wednesday that 50 Russian tanks had entered the strategic Georgian city of Gori, and another top Georgian official said his country's troops were completely driven from the separatist province of Abkhazia.
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Security council head Alexander Lomaia said that the tanks entered Gori about 9:45 a.m., about eight hours after Georgia accepted a cease-fire previously agreed to by Russia to end a conflict that broke out last week.
Independent confirmation of Lomaia's claim was not immediately possible.
The cease-fire agreement calls for both Georgian and Russian forces to retreat to the positions they held before the fighting over the separatist region of South Ossetia began.
Gori, which sits on Georgia's only significant east-west road, is about 15 miles over the South Ossetian border into Georgia.
Temur Yakobashvili, the Cabinet minister for reintegration, said Wednesday that Georgian troops had been driven by Russian forces from the small part of Abkhazia they had held.
A Russian general on Tuesday said the Georgians had been driven out but by separatist forces and not the Russian military.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia_73;_ylt=ApFcFoJTCzIw9hbblbnMF4ZbbBAF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia_73;_ylt=ApFcFoJTCzIw9hbblbnMF4ZbbBAF)
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Claims so far. There have been plenty of false claims on _both_ sides (yes that includes Georgia) in this conflict so keep that in mind.
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They aren't withdrawing to their original start-lines' on the north side of the Ossetian border, according to some of these late breaking stories.
No, this has turned into a land grab.
It is akin to the US sending certain Mexican radicals weapons secretly and invading when Mexico tries to punish them. Later, we absorb Baja and everything north of Mexico City... maybe then we can also make threads that say, "The vermin have been eliminated, victory is ours."
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Yet everyone here automaticly thinks Russia is at fault. For the first time in decades i think they had a just cause and a right to do what they did to defend the citizens of SO. How the Georgian presidents plays the media and how he tries to involve "The West" to help him tells me lots.
So if it were American tanks invading Canada to protect the citizens of Ontario, could it be Canada's fault?
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Definately :t
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Later, we absorb Baja
Why would you possible want more of California - isn't what you've got bad enough?
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They beat a far smaller side that was equipped with the very early models of the same equipment.
US has invested so much in training and equipping the georgian army.
Here are some pics of the last exercise "IMMEDIATE RESPONSE 2008" held in Georgia (July 2008).
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/392744202_c7671817c2.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/392757183_d158375a57.jpg)
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/392757181_9cca4a26df.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/392732438_7c9cdbd0bb.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/392757194_86d1830338.jpg)
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Nevertheless Mr Saakashvili managed to screw his army up in the most stupid way (I am not speaking about the atrocities commited in the Tschinvali - that's another case). The whole plan of taking South Osetia under control was screwed up and left without backup. The only thing Mr Saakashvili did well was screaming about russian agression and begging for help. The question is why should US help such a looser anymore? Just because he is pro-western ? He proved to be not smart enough to play the role and has already compromised himself badly in so many ways. It's a big waste. He leads his country to an inevitable collapse.
(http://compromat.ru/main/saakashvili/image/ubezhal3.jpg)
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Dont call me out on this one, but doesn't Georgia have the #3 most troops in Iraq supporting the Americans? Only being beat by the Brits by a few #s? I'm kinda disappointed America DIDN'T try to do more than it did. But hey, maybe someone else will 'attack' Russia for them to invade another county.
Shoot, Russia would have more trouble invading Texas (probably lose too) than Georgia. Boroda, Russia didn't accomplish anything, nothing at all. They invaded a country smaller than most of the States in the U.S. and crushed it. :rolleyes:
Edit: I forgot Texas has Fort Hood, Russia would DEFINATELY lose.
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Nice troll Angelair :rofl
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Yes his trolling expertise is growing.
:aok
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50 warships closing in on Persian Gulf,:it may be to early for Boroda to celebrate victory
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OdPpj84W3wg (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OdPpj84W3wg)
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Yes his trolling expertise is growing.
:aok
I hope that's a good thing :uhoh :uhoh
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Oh yes.. trolls are cute :uhoh
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What would the US do if Russia threatened putting Missiles in....say Cuba?...No,not friendly is it?
The Russians have every right to fear attacks from the West they have been attacked from that direction three times since 1814(by Napoleon the Kaiser and Hitler)Unprovoked on all occasions,the West should have been trying to bring Russia on board since the end of the cold war,instead we continue to treat them as a pariah state.
We gave them little credit,for "the great Patriotic war" and hardly a pat on the shoulder for the peaceful break up of the "evil Empire"..
Perhaps we should have kept the weapons and dismantled the Nato alliance,and spent more time on building relations and showing the Russians more respect and Gratitude for their efforts to get over the cold war.instead we goad them by threatening to put missles on their border,of which they have every reason to be sensitive.The Russians may not be as democratic as the west,but they are now a capitalist country and do not have an ideology to spread. Since the break up of the soviet Union we have taken are eye off he ball,and what is happening is a direct response to the Wests lack of interest and Diplomacy in the region.
Putin is a strong leader,and has a lot of support especially among young Russians,who like the fact that he is making Russia strong again.Russians would like to be more Democratic,but not if it means being weak,and walked over by the West.
When the Dick Cheney's of this world speak big and get hawkish without any intention of backing up that talk,it only ups the tension and does nothing to calm the situation.Lambasting the Russians for invading a sovereign territory rings hollow after the united states did just that in Iraq, looking after their own interests ,This is a time for diplomacy not taking sides.
The Russians are looking after their interests,thats what country's do,and we in the West have helped shape those interests for good or ill.
This is not the Sudetenland,their are no Ideological struggles here.this is more August 1914.Thank god Georgia is not in NATO.
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Yes, by all means, poor little abused innocent Russia. You conveniently forget they formed an alliance with Germany at the beginning of World War II, helping to start the whole thing. "Great Patriotic War" indeed.
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well said hazzer.
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and hardly a pat on the shoulder for the peaceful break up of the "evil Empire"..
That'd be like me dumping garbage all over your yard and expecting a pat on the head for cleaning it up.
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What a chowderhead.
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Stalin tried to form Alliances with all the Western powers,we all turned her down.He was, -rightfully as it turned out- frightened of Hitler.Forming an non aggression pact is better than war,a war he new he was not equipped to fight.
The Russian people had to fight it anyway,and won it.Stalin didn't win WWII,the Russian people did,and they paid with Thirty million lives and buckets of blood,that we in the west can barely comprehend.
Your history comes from Hollywood,which has barely paid lip service to the Russian peoples Sacrifice,not only against Hitler but Stalin himself.
The defense rests...Oh, and thankyou the Russian people it's long overdue.
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Toad,stop looking in the mirror. :aok
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It is apparent this topic cannot be discussed in a civil manner.