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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yossarian on August 20, 2008, 08:08:45 PM
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Well, I always seem to read about how 'oh, Obama flipped flopped on this, and on that', but never about how McCain flip-flops. So, I'm going to post the issues on which McCain has flip-flopped recently. These are off the top of my head, mostly:
Iraq
Reinstating the draft
Social security
Healthcare
Tax cuts
Torture
Ethanol
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html)
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Yossarian
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Yes, its a short list compared to Obama. They all pander to votes.
Here is a good summary of Obama flip flops. Compare and report. YMMV.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11535.html
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Interesting read here.http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/07/flip-flops-mccain-vs-obama.html
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obamas not a flip flopper..becuase hes for everything and against everything. depending whos hes talking to. he can be asked one question and give 2 different answers, all in one breath. hes' an absolute fence sitter. even when he was in illinois he wouldn't vote on a topic. all he would do is say "present". he has no spine no convictions no expirience. hes a puppet of george sorros. nothing else. when obama talks he has no quick answers. because he belives in nothing. he has to think.."what do they want to hear?". unlike john mc cain who knows wheres hes been and where he going and what he believes. ask mc cain a question you get a quick answer. you believe in obama..your not doing your homework.
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McCain does not flip flop.....his views "evolve"
o'bama otoh, flip and flops like a fish out of water...whatever the prevailing wind dictates.
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All politicians move toward the center before an election, and all more or less to the same degree.
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LMAO
And you really think people on THIS board are going to recognize Mccain flaws.
C'mon man. the guy was a POW 40 years ago.
But more importantly he's a Republican running against a Democrat.
So long as he is a Republican running against a Democrat
they would vote for Slobodan Milosevic with a Charles Manson running mate
And find a way (probably with soundbites from the GOP website which is where most of the soundbites I see originate from) to paint Mother Teresa into an evil wicked lying witch. If she were the Democrat nominee.
They arent for the person. Wouldnt matter who were running from which party
They are for the party.
Goo TEAM! :rolleyes:
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LMAO
And you really think people on THIS board are going to recognize Mccain flaws.
C'mon man. the guy was a POW 40 years ago.
But more importantly he's a Republican running against a Democrat.
So long as he is a Republican running against a Democrat
they would vote for Slobodan Milosevic with a Charles Manson running mate
And find a way (probably with soundbites from the GOP website which is where most of the soundbites I see originate from) to paint Mother Teresa into an evil wicked lying witch. If she were the Democrat nominee.
They arent for the person. Wouldnt matter who were running from which party
They are for the party.
Goo TEAM! :rolleyes:
Yeah, I know, but give me credit, it was worth a try and i took it :D
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I love my flip-flops. Almost as much as my right-wing, aldultering, bastard spaniel does. But hey, he's free.
Relax, and go play the game.
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LMAO
And you really think people on THIS board are going to recognize Mccain flaws.
some of us just like to push back.
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Flip Flopping.
Aint that the mature thing to do? when you realize your wrong on a topic? or when you get proved that your oppinion on stuff are wrong? Or when new angles or evidence surfaces?
Is it so bad to flip flop? is it a character flaw or a strenght to be able to flip flop?
Are you all 13 years old?
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Don't see any problem with someone changing his mind. The world around us changes all the time, Re thinking your position on things is never a bad idea. I am more worried about people with thoughts that don't evolve...
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McCain is not my main man. I like Ron Paul and Mitt Romney much better. McCain has flipped flopped I agree. Still though do you want Socialism? That would be socialism for you not the elitist. Do you think Oprah Winfrey is going to wait in line to get medical care?! I look at the guy in the mirror to fix my money problems not congress. I need them out of the way. Not more in my life.
There was some stats given recently (I don't have them) but more woman die of breast cancer in Canada and Britain than they do in the U.S. because of socialized medicine.
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There was some stats given recently (I don't have them) but more woman die of breast cancer in Canada and Britain than they do in the U.S. because of socialized medicine.
Ya please DO provide a link.
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When exactly did it become admirable for a person to doggedly stick to a position that was proven wrong? I'd rather have a President with the balls to change his mind than an idiot who doesn't have one to change.
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When exactly did it become admirable for a person to doggedly stick to a position that was proven wrong? I'd rather have a President with the balls to change his mind than an idiot who doesn't have one to change.
I agree
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problem here is that he does it, osama does it, and each and every politician does it. it's called pandering to the voters.
they'll say whatever they think you want to hear if they think it's going to get your vote. if it doesn't work, they flip to the other side of the issue. if that still doesn't work, then ya get a non-commital mush bucket who'll give you a 5 minute answer to your question. and when he's (osama)done, he hasn't told ya a dam thing. except that he doesn't have a real answer.
they've all done it in the past, they're all doing it right now, and they'll all continue to do it in the future, or at least till we find a way to change the system
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No, the real problem is that some people think there is always a simple answer to every question. There isn't. Sometimes the answer is convoluted and sometimes there are nuances that just don't translate well to a 10 second sound bite. Unfortunately when a politician actually tries to answer a question based on these real life circumstances and tries to speak to the American people as if they were adults, he is chastized by the opposition and bits and pieces of his speech are culled to show how "wishy washy" he is or maybe even god forbid... elitist!!!!
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Mccain is plenty flawed but so far as energy.. I don't think you can call it a flip flop when the situation has changed so radically since the original ban on offshore drilling... in the original context.. there were a lot of oil spills and gas was a buck a gallon or so.
Now..new methods have made drilling safe from spills and gas is 4 bucks a gallon. this.. in a span of 20 years... I would say that his changing his mind based on these facts and.. the fact that he was sorta right for the first 10 or so years pretty much makes this one a non flip flop.
Now.. take osamabamas posititon on this.. he really has flip flopped.. he changed his position based on poll numbers. and even then.. he hedged his bets.. he says he thinks "some" drilling would be ok but doesn't really say what (don't want to anger the algor acolytes).
lazs
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I could care less what either one them actually says, I look at their voting records on key issues that are important to ME (a registered voter, tax payer, and citizen of this country) to see what they are about.
Key issues that are important to me:
1. Gun Control McCain has consitently voted on the side of gun owners. The ony times he's voted for restrictions of any sort were for mandatory background checks, and waiting periods. I believe those are resonable restrictions as a gun owner so I support his position. Obama has voted for EVERY single piece of gun control legislation that he's seen. His record tells me that he doesn't trust, nor want, ANY citizen to have the ability to defend themselves with anything more than a butter knife. Doesn't matter what he "says" his actions and voting record speaks for him.
2. Abortion Anyoe that knows me on this board knows how I feel about this subject. I agree with and respect McCains opinion on this matter. Obama doesn't even have an opinion that he's willing to state, other than it's over his pay grade. Wrong answer for me.
3. International Relations McCain has been all over the world, he knows most of the world leaders personally, he's been a player on the international stage for a long time and understands how things work in that arena, Obama is a freaking newb in that arena. With Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map every other week, Russia starting all it's crap recently, North Korea doing God knows what, and all the other hot spots, and potential hot spots flaring up, the last thing I want is a newb trying to "lead" this country while dealing with the rest of the world.
4. Character McCain seems to be a fairly honest guy. He's been open and honest about his character flaws, discussing his divorce with his first mariage, the depression he suffered from after coming home from Vietnam, he has openly admitted to making personal as well as proffesional mistakes and takes resposiblity for those mistakes. Obama went to a church for 20 years that has a pastor that is a racists, preaches anti US retoric (we've ALL seen it) and Obama has the audacity to come out on national TV and say he never knew about Rev Whites positions on certain issues. Does anyone really believe that? I sure don't. When asked what the hardest moral discision he's ever had to make, he says it was votaing agianst the Iraq war? Please. They guys over 40 years old. If THAT was the toughest moral choice he's ever had to make then he's lived one hell of a sheltered life. I'm only 36 and I've had to make plenty or tough moral choices, voting against the Iraq war wouldn't even be in the top 50. He says what he thinks people want to hear, and the Iraq war is a hot issue so he uses it every chance he gets even when it doesn't pertain to what he's being asked.
No one could EVER convince me Obama would be a good president. I look at him and I see Bill Clinton with a dark tan, and a hair cut. Clinton is a lying crook, and I have no doubt that Obama is as well. McCain on the other hand I think would make a good president even though he's not my first choice. I'll actually be voting for Barr in November seeing as I'm a member of the Libertarian Party. Obama keeps talking about "change you can believe in" yet NO ONE seems to know what that change is, not even him, because his puppet masters haven't told him. McCain will be more of the same with a twist, and I could live with that. At least I KNOW what I'm getting with McCain. Barr and the Libertarian Party actually believe in the changes they want to make, they know what those changes are, and they are very clear about what those changes would be. Fire around 500,000 government employees, reduce the size and scope of the federal government and let people be responsible for themselves like it SHOULD be.
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Obama went to a church for 20 years that has a pastor that is a racists, preaches anti US retoric (we've ALL seen it) and Obama has the audacity to come out on national TV and say he never knew about Rev Whites positions on certain issues. .
See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".
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When exactly did it become admirable for a person to doggedly stick to a position that was proven wrong? I'd rather have a President with the balls to change his mind than an idiot who doesn't have one to change.
Are you talking about a subject like the surge in Iraq?
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Time for an honesty check. It's the fault of the voters that politicians resort to flip-flopping. The one who gets elected tends to be the one who can flip-flop the most surreptitiously. Most people won't vote for someone who doesn't agree with some pet issue they have, no matter the candidate's character or other qualifications, and hence to build a winning coalition the candidate has to have the support of many people with contradictory pet issues.
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Are you talking about a subject like the surge in Iraq?
Exactly....
And that is a good example of the issues I was talking about in my next post. I will let you read it instead of quoting myself.
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See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/obama-in-his-own-words/
Ask and yee shall receive.
PS: its Wright not White.
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See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".
I watched his speach on TV after that whole flap came up and heard him say that. "never knew" "wasn't aware" blah blah blah. FOX News, CNN, ABC, NBC, hell even the local 13 News showed his speach where he was saying he wasn't aware, and never heard Rev White say anything like that, yet we ALL saw Rev White on the same news channels spouting his crap.
It's not BS rhetoric. I heard it all with my own two ears and they both work just fine. I saw and heard what Rev. White said, and I don't believe for a minute that Obama didn't know after being associated with the man for over 20 years how he felt and preached about this crap. It's a bold faced lie and I'd tell Obama that to his face if given the chance. Or is it OK to talk like that because it's a "Black Church" thing? I heard several other black church leaders playing it off as just a blach church thing and it's alright. A local pastor here said that on the local news when asked for his reaction. Try that crap in a white Baptist church and they would have the NAACP, and the ACLU shutting the place down and the white pastor before a grand jury for hate speaches and inciting violence.
I think Obaa is a liar, his character I question very hard. I don't base that on any sound bites either, but from all the reading I've done from numerous sources, and the FULL speaches I've heard the man give. I've watched most of the debates and the man is an NOT presidential material by a long shot. Not by my standards as a voter and citizen.
I study the issues important to ME and Obama doesn't even come close to dealing with them how I think they should be dealt with. I don't vote for the "collective good" of the country. I vote for who's represents MY best interests. I, ME, MY, MINE is what's important. I could care less about you, them, theirs. My vote, My issues, My priorities, My beliefs. My vote goes to the person who best represents ME.
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Yeah, I know, but give me credit, it was worth a try and i took it :D
I give you credit for being a British squeeker, and that's about all the credit I have for you. :rolleyes:
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/obama-in-his-own-words/
Ask and yee shall receive.
PS: its Wright not White.
Sorry, not what I asked for at all.
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments.
That is quite a bit different than the spin people "heard" on Faux news.
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When exactly did it become admirable for a person to doggedly stick to a position that was proven wrong? I'd rather have a President with the balls to change his mind than an idiot who doesn't have one to change.
Hmm for once I'm in agreement with MT. One of us needs to check the flavor of our kool-aid. :lol
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Sorry, not what I asked for at all.
That is quite a bit different than the spin people "heard" on Faux news.
Actually it's exactly what you asked for, you just don't want to admit it. Obama's written words and spoken speaches of him saying he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that in over 20 years of being a member of that church.
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Actually it's exactly what you asked for, you just don't want to admit it. Obama's written words and spoken speaches of him saying he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that in over 20 years of being a member of that church.
You just did it again...
Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.
I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy, Obama also writes. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether its on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.
But you just keep on spinning. Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.
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See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".
Quote from: Obama
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.
Sorry, not what I asked for at all.
That is quite a bit different than the spin people "heard" on Faux news.
Mabe I missed something. :huh Naaa, your just in denial. :aok
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You just did it again...
Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.
But you just keep on spinning. Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.
Well excuss this poor old redneck from Oklahoma and my less than perfect grammer, but Obama "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." and Me "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that" is my countryfied simple way of saying the same damn thing and you know it. If you don't see the similarity you need a reading comprehension lesson.
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You just did it again...
Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.
But you just keep on spinning. Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.
mt, i think you need to tell us what "is" is.
question::When did obama find out wright was a racist?
answer:: when obama decided to run for prestdent. :lol
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Well excuss this poor old redneck from Oklahoma and my less than perfect grammer, but Obama "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." and Me "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that" is my countryfied simple way of saying the same damn thing and you know it. If you don't see the similarity you need a reading comprehension lesson.
No, your version of what Obama said means that Obama never heard Wright say those things at any time or place, or in any way whatsoever. Obama's version means that he could have heard him say things like that on TV, or Radio, or even a non-religious public speaking event, but that he didn't hear him say it sitting in the pews or in personal conversation.
I can see the difference. That's how a politician covers their bellybutton without lying.
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And that's when I would look a politician in the eyes and tell them they are a lying POS.....and THAT was MY entire point. Obama is a lying POS.
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See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".
MT....your not gonna like this when it's answered I don't think.
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hornet....can you pm? nothing to do with this thread.......another though......
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I was gonna do this in a seperate thread, but perhaps it's more fitting here...
"Conservo-speak"
"Sound Jurisprudence" = court rulings conservatives like
"Judicial Activism" = court rulings conservatives hate
"Special Interests" = lobbiests conservatives don't like
"Industry Spokesmen = lobbiests on the conservative payroll
"Law and Order" = government enforcing laws conservatives like
"Government Interference" = laws conservatives don't like
"Runaway Litigation" = lawsuits against big business
"Tort Reform" = legal protection for big business
"Refugees" = boat people conservatives like
"Illegal Immigrants" = boat people conservatives hate
"Faith-based Organization" = religions conservatives like
"Cults" = religious movements conservative disapprove of
"Democracies" = foreign governments conservatives (and their sheep in the
mainstream media) like
"Regimes" = foreign governments conservatives (and their sheep in the
mainstream media) don't like
"Militia leaders" = armed locals with conservative ideas
"Warlords" = armed foreigners who frighten conservatives
"Protection of Strategic Interest" = US interventionism
"Violation of Sovereign Boundaries" = when anyone else does it
"Welfare Queen" = federal handouts to people
"Vital Subsidy" = federal handouts to corporations
"Public Servant" = conservative congressmen
"Career Politician" = liberal congressmen
"Regrettable incident" = scandal involving a Republican
"Failure of liberal values" = scandal involving a Democrat
"Stock Market collapse" = share price slide under a Democratic president
"Market Correction" = share price slide under a Republican president
"Concerned Scientist" = an expert conservatives agree with
"Environmental Extremist" = an expert liberals agree with
"Unemployment" = people out of work under Democratic Administrations
"Labor surpluses" = people out of work under Republican Administrations
"Team Player" = a Republican Senate Majority Leader or House Speaker
during a Republican administration
"Obstructionist" = a Democratic Senate Majority Leader or House Speaker
during a Republican administration
"Consulting Fee" = When a Republican legislator gets cash from an
interested organization
"Bribe" = When a Democrat legislator gets cash from an interested
organization
"Resolute" = a conservative blundering ahead when all evidence points to
his/her chosen course being completely wrong
"Waffling" = a liberal displaying thoughtfulness or weighing all the
options
"Meltdown" = a liberal who delivers a scathing speech against a member
of the opposition
"Tears _____ a new one" = a conservative who delivers a scathing speech
against a member of the opposition
"Naked Aggression" = When a country conservatives don't like invades
another country
"Pre-emptive Self Defense = When a country conservatives like invades
another country
"No Mandate" = When an incumbent Democratic president wins by a small
margin
"Winning Handily" = When an incumbent Republican president wins by the
smallest margin in history
"Enforcing the will of the people" = When a Republican politician pushes an
issue the public at large agrees with
"Exhibiting political courage" = When a Republican politician pushes an
issue the public at large doesn't agree with
"Debt under a Democratic president" = Fiscally irresponsible
"Debt under a Republican president that's even larger" = Fiscally conservative
"Old News" = Any Republican scandal that's never been fully investigated and/or
prosecuted
"Serious Unresolved Issue" = Any Democratic scandal that's never been fully
investigated and/or prosecuted
"Negotiate" = When a Republican president agrees to sit down and talk with an adversary. "Appeasement" = When a Democratic president agrees to sit down and talk with an adversary.
http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/ (http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/)
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wow, FrodeMk3 is a liberal, who knew. :O
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wow, FrodeMk3 is a liberal, who knew. :O
:rofl :aok
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Hold on, I see some other goodies' here...
"Anti-GOP Taglines"
"The elephant is the perfect symbol for Republicans: they never forget, lead
each other around by the tail, and think everyone should work for peanuts."
"The Republican National Committee has announced it's changing the emblem of
the Republican Party - from an elephant to a condom. The Republican National
Chairman explained that the condom more clearly reflects the Party's current
stance... owing to the fact that a condom accepts inflation, halts
production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of hoots, and
gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed. Please make
certain your Republican friends make the appropriate changes on any of their
campaign literature."
"Republicans are good for one thing: getting elected every 30 or 40 years so
people can be reminded how terrible they are." - Bob Shrum
Little kid got on the school bus today wearing a T-shirt with the slogan
"Proud to be a Democrat." Bus driver asked why he was a Democrat and the kid
said "Because my parents are Democrats." "So," said the bus driver, "What if
your parents were lying, biblethumping, perverted hypocrites? Then what?" The
kid replied: "Then we'd be Republicans."
"Much has already been published about the sex life of former President Clinton.
However, little has been reported on the sexual practices of the current
Commander-in-Chief. It has recently been learned that the President and Mrs.
Bush only do it with Laura Bush on top since George W. Bush can only mask up."
Rush: omni-ignorant (ignorant on all subjects)
Rush: a kinder and gentler Nazi
"Pat Buchanan wants a blinder, more Gentile nation." - Dennis Miller
"The Religious Right scares the *hell* out of me." - Sen. Barry Goldwater
(R-AZ, ret.)
"A conservative is a man who wants the rules changed so that no one can make a
pile the way he did." - Gregory Nunn
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
"If guns are outlawed, how will conservatives win any arguments?" - Unknown
"Guns don't kill people -- it's those nasty little bullets!"
"Whin guns er outlawed only da gubbermint will have guns!"
"I'm not worried about the bullet with my name on it... just the thousands out
there marked 'Occupant.'" - Unknown
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop
telling the truth about them." - Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)
The conservative credo: "Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover
again..."
"The Republican Convention opened with a prayer. If the Lord can see his way
to bless the Republican Party the way it's been carrying on, the the rest of
us ought to get it without asking." - Will Rogers, 1928
"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan
"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964." - Ronald Reagan
"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all." - Ronald Reagan
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?" - Ronald Reagan
"I still think Nancy does most of his talking; you'll notice that she never
drinks water when Ronnie speaks." - Robin Williams, _Playboy_, 1982
"Reagan's platform seems to be: 'Hey, I'm a big friendly guy and I need lots
of sleep.'" - Roy G. Blount
"Reaganomics, that makes sense to me. It means if you don't have enough money,
it's because poor people are hoarding it." - Kevin Rooney, _GQ_, 1984
"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was--an
arctic region covered with ice." - Steve Martin, 1980
"Ronald Reagan was the least knowledgeable president I ever met." - Rep.
Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill Jr. (1912-1994)
"If Reagan had run unopposed, he would have lost." - Mort Sahl
"Ronald Reagan is a triumph of the embalmer's art." - Gore Vidal
"If Reagan's the answer, it must have been a very silly question." - Anonymous
Republicans: "Only the SOS should happen."
W.H.I.N.E. - The Conservative Broadcasting System
Call the conservative hotline: 1-800-WHINE.
The NRA Loaner: because when you need a gun, 5 days is a LONG LONG time!
"By our readiness to allow arms to be purchased at will and fired at whim, we
have created an atmosphere in which violence and hatred have become popular
pastimes." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"With all the violence and murder and killings we've had in the United States,
I think you will agree that we must keep firearms from people who have no
business with guns." - Robert F. Kennedy, May 1968
I carry in my mind...a world with an unborn JERRY FALWELL!
"This isn't a man who is leaving with his head between his legs." - Dan Quayle
"Rush Limbaugh stole my whole act." - Howard Stern
A gun kills a child every two hours. - The Children's Defense Fund
Conservatism: The worship of dead revolutions.
"I do not make 'ad hominem' attacks on Clinton. They all deal with policy --
or character." - Rush Limbaugh/"The Flush Rush Quarterly"
"Women should not be allowed to serve on a jury..." - Rush Limbaugh
Q: What are "feminazis"?
A: "Ugly women who can't get dates." - Rush Limbaugh
Q: What is a "Rush Limbaugh"?
A: "A fat man who can't get laid." - Feminazis
I stumbled on some of these when looking for some other info-one of the Google keywords' threw this up there, instead of secret weapons' of the Third Reich. They've got a lot of material on here.http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/ (http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/)
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And this is with the race a dead heat. I guess its going to get real nasty when Obamassiah goes down by 10.
:rofl
Dimocrat " They're not just bible thumping perverts, they're RASCISTS - SOUND THE ALARM - RACISTSSSSS!!!!"
Its going to be fun to watch this paper tiger explode - well implode. Hopefully Pelosi will get sucked into the black hole left behind.
(I can sense Dimocrats contacting moderators now)
For the Dimocrat:
black hole - The collapsed core of a massive star. A region of space where the density of matter is so great, and the pull of gravity so strong, that not even light can escape.
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And this is with the race a dead heat. I guess its going to get real nasty when Obamassiah goes down by 10.
:rofl
Dimocrat " They're not just bible thumping perverts, they're RASCISTS - SOUND THE ALARM - RACISTSSSSS!!!!"
Its going to be fun to watch this paper tiger explode - well implode. Hopefully Pelosi will get sucked into the black hole left behind.
(I can sense Dimocrats contacting moderators now)
For the Dimocrat:
black hole - The collapsed core of a massive star. A region of space where the density of matter is so great, and the pull of gravity so strong, that not even light can escape.
He might play that card (race) the way you say a little down the road, IMO-He's gonna wait to see what other events' transpire before he runs to that one. He's been kinda 'tickling' with the race card the whole time; just barely enough to notice. No all-out Al Sharpton style attacks, probably not until the time is right.
I'm guessing he's gonna bide his time, and see what other things' happen in the economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, this new thing in Georgia, etc. first.
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I don't know what kind of impact this will have on McCains' campaign, but (also on a more serious note) I found this:
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
Wed Aug 13, 5:42 PM ET
WASHINGTON - John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.
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The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann's personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.
McCain warned Russian leaders Tuesday that their assault in Georgia risks "the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world."
On April 17, a month and a half after Scheunemann stopped working for Georgia, his partner signed a $200,000 agreement with the Georgian government. The deal added to an arrangement that brought in more than $800,000 to the two-man firm from 2004 to mid-2007. For the duration of the campaign, Scheunemann is taking a leave of absence from the firm.
"Scheunemann's work as a lobbyist poses valid questions about McCain's judgment in choosing someone who and whose firm are paid to promote the interests of other nations," said New York University law professor Stephen Gillers. "So one must ask whether McCain is getting disinterested advice, at least when the issues concern those nations."
"If McCain wants advice from someone whose private interests as a once and future lobbyist may affect the objectivity of the advice, that's his choice to make."
McCain has been to Georgia three times since 1997 and "this is an issue that he has been involved with for well over a decade," said McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.
McCain's strong condemnation in recent days of Russia's military action against Georgia as "totally, absolutely unacceptable" reflects long-standing ties between McCain and hardline conservatives such as Scheunemann, an aide in the 1990s to then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.
Scheunemann, who also was a foreign policy adviser in McCain's 2000 presidential campaign, has for years traveled the same road as McCain in pushing for regime change in Iraq and promoting NATO membership for Georgia and other former Soviet republics.
While their politics coincide, Russia's invasion of Georgia casts a spotlight on Scheunemann's business interests and McCain's conduct as a senator.
Scheunemann's firm lobbied McCain's office on four bills and resolutions regarding Georgia, with McCain as a co-sponsor or supporter of all of them.
In addition to the 49 contacts with McCain or his staff regarding Georgia, Scheunemann's firm has lobbied the senator or his aides on at least 47 occasions since 2001 on behalf of the governments of Taiwan and Macedonia, which each paid Scheunemann and his partner Mike Mitchell over half a million dollars; Romania, which paid over $400,000; and Latvia, which paid nearly $250,000. Federal law requires Scheunemann to publicly disclose to the Justice Department all his lobbying contacts as an agent of a foreign government.
After contacts with McCain's staff, the senator introduced a resolution saluting the people of Georgia on the first anniversary of the Rose Revolution that brought Mikhail Saakashvili to power.
Four months ago, on the same day that Scheunemann's partner signed the latest $200,000 agreement with Georgia, McCain spoke with Saakashvili by phone. The senator then issued a strong statement saying that "we must not allow Russia to believe it has a free hand to engage in policies that undermine Georgian sovereignty."
Rogers, the McCain campaign spokesman, said the call took place at the request of the embassy of Georgia. And McCain campaign spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace added that the senator has full confidence in Scheunemann. "We're proud of anyone who has worked on the side of angels in fledgling democracies," she said in an interview.
McCain called Saakashvili again on Tuesday. "I told him that I know I speak for every American when I said to him, today, we are all Georgians," McCain told a cheering crowd in York, Pa. McCain's Democratic rival, Barack Obama, had spoken with Saakashvili the day before.
In 2005 and 2006, McCain signed onto a resolution expressing support for the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia; introduced a resolution expressing support for a peace plan for Georgia's breakaway province of Ossetia; and co-sponsored a measure supporting admission of four nations including Georgia into NATO.
On Tuesday, McCain told Fox News that "as you know, through the NATO membership, ... if a member nation is attacked, it is viewed as an attack on all."
Scheunemann's lobbying firm is one of three that he has operated since 1999, with clients including BP Amoco, defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. and the National Rifle Association.
Scheunemann is part of the community of neoconservatives who relentlessly pushed for war in Iraq.
No one in Washington is more closely aligned with the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq than prominent neoconservatives, who for years had regime change in Iraq as a goal as part of their philosophy that the United States shouldn't be reluctant to use its power, both diplomatic and military, to spread democracy and to guarantee world order.
Now, McCain and other politicians who pushed for the invasion are seeking to emphasize the progress, albeit fragile, of the current troop surge in Iraq.
In the months before the war began, Scheuenemann ran the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, set up in November 2002 when public support for the looming invasion was eroding.
Before that, Scheunemann was on board with the Project for the New American Century, whose letter to Bush nine days after the Sept. 11 attacks pointed to Iraq as a possible link to the terrorists.
The letter said American forces must be prepared to support "by all means necessary" the U.S. government's commitment to opponents of Saddam Hussein.
Scheunemann was among the letter's 37 signers, a Who's Who of neoconservative luminaries including William Kristol and Richard Perle.
If anything, Scheunemann's duties have been enhanced from McCain's 2000 presidential campaign, when Scheunemann also advised McCain on national security and foreign policy issues.
Earlier in his political career, McCain displayed the kind of caution that could be expected from someone who fought in Vietnam and was a prisoner of war.
In 1983, McCain urged U.S. withdrawal from Lebanon. "I do not see any obtainable objectives in Lebanon, and the longer we stay there, the harder it will be to leave," he said.
As the United States prepared for the first Gulf war, McCain was among a handful of members in Congress who began raising caution flags about the operation.
"If you get involved in a major ground war in the Saudi desert, I think support will erode significantly," said McCain. "Nor should it be supported. We cannot even contemplate, in my view, trading American blood for Iraqi blood."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist)
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When exactly did it become admirable for a person to doggedly stick to a position that was proven wrong? I'd rather have a President with the balls to change his mind than an idiot who doesn't have one to change.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
At least one who learns from his mistakes or others.
http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth/statistics.asp#1
For the person who wanted the stats.
China actually ranks #1 hmmm. Still though compare the western countries. However, US doesn't really have bragging rights. They are however better.
Another thing, and I'm no doctor, it seems diet must play a role and probably weight.
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So if his adviser had no interest in Georgia, he'd have said "God speed Russia" ?
What is the nature of the interests? I really think it would be good for the United States to have western businesses invested in former Soviet countries. Do the businesses have to do with infrastructure?
McCain's strong condemnation in recent days of Russia's military action against Georgia as "totally, absolutely unacceptable" reflects long-standing ties between McCain and hardline conservatives such as Scheunemann, an aide in the 1990s to then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.
Maybe it reflects respect for a democratically elected government and a countries sovereignty?
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So if his adviser had no interest in Georgia, he'd have said "God speed Russia" ?
What is the nature of the interests? I really think it would be good for the United States to have western businesses invested in former Soviet countries. Do the businesses have to do with infrastructure?
Maybe it reflects respect for a democratically elected government and a countries sovereignty?
It does; But, the sad thing is...I think that the Moral/general attitude fallout of the Gulf wars' will make a lot of Americans' shy away from any other conflicts. I hate to say it, but I don't see any popular votes' to do more in Georgia than what we've done already. We may have let the Georgians' out to dry on this one (I hope I'm wrong, but...It kinda looks' that way...)
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And this is with the race a dead heat. I guess its going to get real nasty when Obamassiah goes down by 10.
:rofl
I doubt this race is a dead heat. Considering most of the people I know and work with (25 to 40) do not have landline phones anymore, and hence DO NOT get polled, I truly feel these polls are way under-representing the numbers. Most political think tanks also believe this, although there are differing views to the extent. Whether or not it is either direction, for either candidate, who knows. The polls really don't mean squat in this election.
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wow... most of the people you know are total liberal weeeenies?
Who would have guessed? It hardly shows.
lazs
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The polls really don't mean squat in this election.
Polls have never meant anything. You can make any poll say whatever you want. There are people who's job it is to do precisely that. It's just another form of junk science. You're not buying the truth, you're buying the answer you want to see.
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wow... most of the people you know are total liberal weeeenies?
Who would have guessed? It hardly shows.
lazs
If you are directing that at me, reread the post. I said:
I doubt this race is a dead heat. Considering most of the people I know and work with (25 to 40) do not have landline phones anymore, and hence DO NOT get polled, I truly feel these polls are way under-representing the numbers. Most political think tanks also believe this, although there are differing views to the extent. Whether or not it is either direction, for either candidate, who knows. The polls really don't mean squat in this election.
So, lazs, yet again you are wrong and quick to judge something you misunderstood. At no point did I indicate preference for either, you buffoon.
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If you are directing that at me, reread the post. I said:
So, lazs, yet again you are wrong and quick to judge something you misunderstood. At no point did I indicate preference for either, you buffoon.
Unless you tried the shoe on and found a comfy fit, how can you assume he was directing his comment towards you?
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Unless you tried the shoe on and found a comfy fit, how can you assume he was directing his comment towards you?
Hmmm.... perhaps you might re-read as well... look at my post, then his. The part where I say...
Considering most of the people I know and work with (25 to 40) do not have landline phones anymore, and hence DO NOT get polled
Then Lazs says....
wow... most of the people you know are total liberal weeeenies?
Apparently, from that, ownership of only cell phones and not a landline phone, makes someone a "liberal weenie".
That sir, is how I figure he was talking about me. Inconsequential of any shoe fittings. Did you attend the same clown college Lazs did? Majoring in Pigeonholing Assumption?
As for my political stance, I am centrist. (Which means I live in the real world, unlike half of either side.)
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So most of the people you know are total liberal weeenies...
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i hope McCain picks Rudy for his running mate.
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i have never been polled, ever. I must not be on their hot list.
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i hope McCain picks Rudy for his running mate.
That would probably be political seppaku for him.