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Title: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 24, 2008, 06:24:54 PM
I don't need to tell you that John McCain will just bring us another four years of the same. You can't change America when you supported George Bush's policies 95% of the time.

Also, for all your anti-Obama BS (usually BS), here's something:



BS: Barack Obama does not display a flag on his campaign plane

RUMOUR:  Since Barack Obama renovated his campaign plane in July 2008, there has been a false rumor that the new exterior did not include an American flag on the outside of the plane.

TRUTH:  Barack Obama’s campaign plane does, in fact, display the American flag on the outside fuselage of the plane.

 

BS: John McCain is attacking Barack Obama for not visiting wounded troops

RUMOUR:  John McCain, his spokesmen, and his TV ads have all been politicizing our heroes overseas by making the false claim that Barack Obama snubbed wounded troops by not visiting them on his foreign trip.

TRUTH:  Barack Obama’s campaign canceled an originally private visit (no media) to wounded troops in Germany to avoid politicizing our soldiers during his campaign-funded trip in Germany.
 


BS: Barack Obama didn't take time for the troops.

RUMOUR: Conservative blogs, referencing an inaccurate email from abroad, have been spreading the rumor that Barack Obama gave troops the cold shoulder on his foreign trip.

TRUTH:  Barack Obama spent time throughout his foreign trip visiting with and thanking our troops.

 

BS: Michelle Obama isn't proud of her country.

TRUTH:  Michelle Obama's comments about her pride in her country have been taken out of context, again, by both the Tennessee and Washington State Republican parties in paid advertisements attacking Michelle.

Michelle Obama loves the United States and the opportunities it has given her. Even Laura Bush has defended her comments – watch the video.


BS: An email claims that Barack Obama wants to tax your home, IRA, & even your water.

RUMOUR:  A rapidly spreading email is tricking thousands—if not millions—of Americans with outrageous lies and misrepresentations about Barack Obama's tax policies.

TRUTH:  The independent group, Factcheck.org, concludes that the smear email about Barack Obama and taxes is “a pack of lies.”

 

BS: Michelle Obama Says “Whitey” On a Tape

TRUTH:  Michelle Obama is a successful attorney, a loving mother, and a respectful person. But Rush Limbaugh and his fellow right-wing attack-dogs have been spreading baseless rumors about a non-existent video tape showing Michelle Obama using a racial epithet.

The tape that Rush and others are spreading rumors about doesn't exist.



BS/RUMOUR:  Barack Obama can't produce his birth certificate

TRUTH:  Barack Obama was born in America, and his story could only happen here. But some smear-mongers claim he can't produce his birth certificate and that he is not a natural-born citizen.

Barack Obama has made his birth certificate public and it can be seen here.

 
BS:  Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim

TRUTH:  Barack is a committed Christian who was sworn into the Senate on his family bible, but unscrupulous right-wing operatives are repeating the lie that he was raised a Muslim. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes.

Senator Obama is a committed Christian. He has never been Muslim, and was not raised in that faith.


 
BS:  Obama's Books Contain Racially Incendiary Remarks

TRUTH:  Barack believes in racial reconciliation based on our mutual responsibility to ourselves and each other. But a recent email forward quotes alterations, deliberate manipulations, and an outright fabrication of Obama's words on race and religion as fact.

Recent viral emails quote Barack Obama's books out of context


 
BS: Barack Obama Won't Say the Pledge of Allegiance & He Won't Put His Hand Over His Heart

TRUTH:  Barack Obama's grandfather, a WWII veteran, taught him the Pledge of Allegiance and inspired his strong love of this country. There's even video of Barack honoring the flag, but people who want to tear him down claim he refuses to put his hand over his heart or say the Pledge.

Barack Obama loves his flag and his country. Watch a video of Barack leading The Pledge of Allegiance in the United States Senate, with his hand over his heart.
Spread the Truth
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 24, 2008, 06:27:07 PM
Change?

McC or Obamessiah is more of the same toejam we've had for the last 20 years.

If you truly want change and you truly want freedom, vote Libertarian.

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 24, 2008, 06:35:46 PM
Change?

McC or Obamessiah is more of the same poop we've had for the last 20 years.

If you truly want change and you truly want freedom, vote Libertarian.



He ain't voting AT ALL. Look at his location, then ask him his age and voting status.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: RedTop on August 24, 2008, 06:38:42 PM
Drivel.....

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I SUPPORT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

Good to know....if your country ever gets a chance to VOTE here....we'll know where your at...until then.....

Swing and a misssssss!!!!!!.....JUSTTTTT a bit outside.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: john9001 on August 24, 2008, 06:39:05 PM
biden has been a senator for 36 years, he will bring reaL change. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 24, 2008, 06:45:28 PM
For anyone who still believes the bullpoop about change, I suggest taking a few minutes and reading this editorial on the power of the Presidency.

McC or Obamessiah you're getting more of the same.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/24/ignatius/

Joe Biden and the political establishment's overriding goal

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Writing in a New York Times blog yesterday, Clinton pollster Mark Penn hails the selection of Joe Biden as "a smart and successful choice" and says this:

From Al Gore on, the role of the vice president seems to have fundamentally changed. It used to be where the winner parked the loser or some other figure that he wanted to neutralize. Now, with the centralization of government power in the White House, the vice president has become essentially a Cabinet head. Indeed, the last two vice presidents have had real portfolios and responsibilities, second only to the president.
That we live in a country characterized by "the centralization of government power in the White House" -- exactly what the Constitution was designed to prevent -- is now so self-evident that it's not even debated or contested any longer...

...Since Pelosi and Reid took over Congress, the Congress has funded the Iraq war without even a symbolic condition. It has rejected every proposal to limit war spending. It has enacted one right-wing proposal after the next, from warrantless surveillance and telecom immunity to declaring parts of the Iranian Government a "terrorist organization." It passed a housing bill and "stimulus" package approved by the administration. It has done nothing to reverse the radical executive power theories and has done much to institutionalize them. If there is one predominant trait of the Congress over the past several years, it has been a willingness to grant every item on the the President's wish list regardless of whether Democrats or Republicans are in control....

...Whether rightly or wrongly, Biden is approved of and deemed to have Seriousness credentials by the political establishment because they perceive that he affirms those central precepts and they see his selection as a sign that Obama will, too. And there is much to suggest that that perception -- at least as it applies to Biden -- is correct. In an October, 2001 New Republic article, Michael Crowley recounted that Biden was continuously boasting that the terrorism bill sent to Congress by John Ashcroft (soon to be called The Patriot Act) was a replica of legislation that Biden had long advocated -- ever since the Oklahoma City courthouse bombing:...

...What is most significant here is that for all the talk about how radical and horrible the Bush presidency has been, for all the hand-wringing over how deeply dissatisfied the citizenry is with our political institutions and direction of the country, what establishment figures like David Ignatius, Fred Hiatt and David Brooks crave most is to ensure that nothing really change. To them, what is most vital is that everything continue more or less as is, and that in particular, we continue to be a country ruled by "the centralization of government power in the White House," in which even the meekest and most ineffectual of Congressional leaders -- Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi -- are attacked for being too "partisan," disruptive and belligerent.

Congress was, in theory, the instrument for the citizenry to exert influence over the Government -- to enable citizens to decide when and if we went to war, how we conducted ourselves in the world, what power political leaders would have over citizens, what limits would constrain them. That's why the political establishment wants to reduce and neuter Congressional power as much as possible.

What the David Ignatiuses and Fred Hiatts of the world fear most is any meaningful influence on the part of the citizenry over the levers of Government (as the Post's Shailagh Murray said in explaining why the Government should ignore public opposition to the Iraq War: "Would you want a department store manager or orthodontist running the Pentagon? I don't think so"). Preserving "the centralization of government power in the White House" is the best and most effective means devised thus far for allowing the political elite to run the country without interference from the dirty, stupid masses, and though the establishment generally believes (accurately) that Republicans serve those ends more effectively, what they care about most is obtaining a bipartisan commitment to continuing that state of affairs. They're fine with rhetoric bashing the Bush administration -- now that it's almost over. What they oppose most vociferously is any effort to change the framework that enabled it...


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Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: bj229r on August 24, 2008, 07:20:51 PM
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Liberals have done so well for the UK :aok
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Meatwad on August 24, 2008, 08:47:53 PM
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Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 24, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Virgil and RedTops, I'm pleased to tell you that although I may be below voting age, I (and my parents) have dual nationalities, and they'll both be voting for Obama.  :D

Also, bj229r, I'm not so sure about the 'liberal' part of that statement, but yes, the government has done very well for the UK.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Elfie on August 24, 2008, 09:31:50 PM
Cracks me up when people from other countries try to influence our opinions on how we should vote.  :lol
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Rich46yo on August 24, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
Why is it that every time a Democrat says something stupid and un-American its called, "taking it out of context"? We have Politicians now that exhorted armed rebellion back in the '60s?......"taken out of context". John Kerry at Winter Soldier?.http://www.wintersoldier.com/....."taken out of context". Al Gore inventing the Internet and having been in combat reporting for Stars and Stripes?..."taken out of context". That she/male Hillary bragging how she braved war in Serbia?..."taken out of context".

I can go back to LBJ myself, "I wont send American boys 1/2 way across the world to fight a war that Asian boys should be fighting for themselves".

Ready?          ..........ready?......"Taken out of context". :rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 24, 2008, 10:17:03 PM
Why is it that every time a Democrat says something stupid and un-American its called, "taking it out of context"? We have Politicians now that exhorted armed rebellion back in the '60s?......"taken out of context". John Kerry at Winter Soldier?.http://www.wintersoldier.com/....."taken out of context". Al Gore inventing the Internet and having been in combat reporting for Stars and Stripes?..."taken out of context". That she/male Hillary bragging how she braved war in Serbia?..."taken out of context".

I can go back to LBJ myself, "I wont send American boys 1/2 way across the world to fight a war that Asian boys should be fighting for themselves".

Ready?          ..........ready?......"Taken out of context". :rofl

I'm sure the same thing has been said about Republicans.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 24, 2008, 10:52:47 PM
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I SUPPORT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

MCWATT

Really?

I mean, really, really, truly?

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Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: eagl on August 24, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
In
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: RATTFINK on August 24, 2008, 10:57:46 PM
The Euro's are really into Obamalama ding dong.  

I respect that you have something you believe in and are willing to stand behind what you say.  

It is really amazing that someone in the UK (Even if your parents are US citizens) has anything to say about our politics after all the one sided BS that is in the UK & the rest of the Euro media.  The US media is just as screwed up. Freaking news readers.

I am not for Obama.

----

Hangtime, has the cheese slid off your cracker???
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Rich46yo on August 24, 2008, 11:14:30 PM
I'm sure the same thing has been said about Republicans.

Yeah sure. :lol The National and International media gives Republicans a pass :rofl

And thats what most people believe, at least subliminaly. What they read in the media ,and, the portrayels of people. And eventually one person at the watercooler says what he read and everyone chirps the same thing, "herd instinct yaknow", and they dribble on about their day mindscrewed by the Liberal media. I watch them from the seat of my car as their walking home. They might as well be grazing on grass.

Did you know Human Beings share 97% of the same DNA as chimpanzees? Well its true. So dont ever overestimate human intelligance. People pretty much believe what they are told. Or, what they want to believe.

We have a famous newspaper that hasnt printed one negative thing about Obama since he started running. They run pictures of him that make him look like the second coming of Christ. Meanwhile Bush and MCaine are always shown with the kinda strange goofy looks on their faces the other 7 Billion of us somtimes have. I read this rag just fascinated by the power the media has on most people.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 24, 2008, 11:41:30 PM

We have a famous newspaper that hasnt printed one negative thing about Obama since he started running. They run pictures of him that make him look like the second coming of Christ. Meanwhile Bush and MCaine are always shown with the kinda strange goofy looks on their faces the other 7 Billion of us somtimes have. I read this rag just fascinated by the power the media has on most people.

Well I've seen multiple pictures of McCain which try to portray him in the way you just described.  And I'm hardly surprised if the media has that much influence on people, as it is essentially our only way of knowing what happens in the world.

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 24, 2008, 11:56:49 PM
Hangtime, has the cheese slid off your cracker???


Yup. sorry about that.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: mg1942 on August 25, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
This post's credibility lost when you look at the poster's location...
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 12:08:31 AM
This post's credibility lost when you look at the poster's location...

Well what I didn't tell you was that it came from an American website, so haha.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: BTW on August 25, 2008, 12:08:42 AM
Yossarian, post like yours really help Obama. Many of Americans are not smart enough to appreciate the wisdom and stardom of Barack America. Convincing posts such as yours make this more clear. Continue posting so we all might change. Stop people on the street and tell them in your eloquent way, what makes Barack so special, and just so darn dreamy. My leg is shivering as I write this.  Barack America is well on his way to winning all 57 states.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 25, 2008, 12:11:16 AM
  Barack America is well on his way to winning all 57 states.

..and Guam.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Mr No Name on August 25, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Barack Hussein Osamabama is a marxist tool, I dont care for McCain either because he is a globalist dolt.  If you want change, bud that's what you are gonna get if you vote for this chump.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 25, 2008, 01:00:35 AM
Like, zOMG...I don't know who to believe now...

Yossarian or Angelsandhairpasta....

My god, the horror...what to do...WHAT TO DO? ? ? ? ? ? ?!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Elfie on August 25, 2008, 02:38:48 AM
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My god, the horror...what to do...WHAT TO DO? ? ? ? ? ? ?!!!!!!!!!!

Just vote Libertarian.....
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 25, 2008, 03:15:11 AM
Shouldn't I wait for Yossarian or hairpasta to tell me first?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 25, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
It's been said that a country get the leaders it deserves.
I sure hope you guys in the USA can afford Osama.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: sprattjack on August 25, 2008, 04:17:06 AM
Hangtime, has the cheese slid off your cracker???

I rofl'd.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: sprattjack on August 25, 2008, 04:18:39 AM
Like, zOMG...I don't know who to believe now...

Yossarian or Angelsandhairpasta....

My god, the horror...what to do...WHAT TO DO? ? ? ? ? ? ?!!!!!!!!!!
bully.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Jackal1 on August 25, 2008, 04:19:42 AM

TRUTH:  Barack Obama’s campaign canceled an originally private visit (no media) to wounded troops in Germany to avoid politicizing our soldiers during his campaign-funded trip in Germany.
 

Yeah right....and Madonna is a virgin and Britney Spears will get the Mother Of The Year award.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: sprattjack on August 25, 2008, 04:29:14 AM
Yeah right....and Madonna is a virgin and Britney Spears will get the Mother Of The Year award.
Your sig is weak.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 25, 2008, 04:36:28 AM
Your sig is weak.
Your schwantz is weak
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: hyster on August 25, 2008, 04:54:51 AM
id vote for Mr Bean for world president.
would do a better job than any currant politician.

just look at his resume

campain picture's
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x52/laceytubbs/Mr-Bean--28642.jpg)(http://conservativehome.blogs.com/torydiary/images/2007/11/28/mrbean_pm_2.jpg)

foreign policy
(http://www.projo.com/photos/20070824/lb0824_mrbean_color_08-24-07_L96QUIA.jpg)

sportsman
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4571/44dx9.jpg)(http://www.hockeytaunts.com/images/MrBean.jpg)

movie star
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2081/22kw8.jpg)(http://www.worth1000.com/entries/195500/195546OUWT_w.jpg)

what more could you ask for!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: sprattjack on August 25, 2008, 05:09:10 AM
Your schwantz is weak
dude, I'll so whoop it out.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 25, 2008, 05:58:42 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Shifty on August 25, 2008, 07:11:25 AM
I don't need to tell you that John McCain will just bring us another four years of the same. You can't change America when you supported George Bush's policies 95% of the time.
Maybe you should worry about changing Britain... When you get old enough to vote.  :rolleyes:

One more thing... Just because a candidate promises change, that doesn't mean that change is going to be for the better. Amazing how many sheep will run into a pen when somebody uses one word.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Elfie on August 25, 2008, 07:50:33 AM
Shouldn't I wait for Yossarian or hairpasta to tell me first?

What do they know?   :D
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Elfie on August 25, 2008, 07:52:44 AM
 :lol @ Mr. Bean
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Wayout on August 25, 2008, 08:05:58 AM
One more thing... Just because a candidate promises change, that doesn't mean that change is going to be for the better.
Spot on.  Look a Michigan.  Governor Granholm promised change.  She said give me 5 years and you won't reconize your state.  She was right.  Business have left by the dozens (her tax policys at work) and we have the highest unemployment rates in the country with no end in site.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: lazs2 on August 25, 2008, 08:09:22 AM
the only "change" a pres can have is in the appointment of federal judges and in the vetoing of bills.

osama bin biden will appoint commie judges who hate the constitution and will sign every nanny bill that comes across their desk.

the main reason to not vote for the osama bin biden group tho is....  your-0-peeeans love em.

lazs
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: moot on August 25, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
First things first!

The first change that needs to happen is for the whole black/white bullpoop epidemic to maskin DISAPPEAR  -  And then we can get to the real business of "change".  Good luck to you Yossarian and St-Obama getting that done.. You never will cause you're both incapable of so much impartial integrity.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 09:22:58 AM
the only "change" a pres can have is in the appointment of federal judges and in the vetoing of bills.

osama bin biden will appoint commie judges who hate the constitution and will sign every nanny bill that comes across their desk.

the main reason to not vote for the osama bin biden group tho is....  your-0-peeeans love em.

lazs

Another commie plot uncovered...?

[snip]

One more thing... Just because a candidate promises change, that doesn't mean that change is going to be for the better. Amazing how many sheep will run into a pen when somebody uses one word.

Well after Bush, it would be hard for the changes by either candidate to be for the worse (realistically speaking), but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).



@moot: IMO it has disappeared (if we're talking about the same thing - the racism issue).  When he applied to Harvard, Obama did not put on his CV that he's black.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 25, 2008, 09:28:39 AM

@moot: IMO it has disappeared (if we're talking about the same thing - the racism issue).  When he applied to Harvard, Obama did not put on his CV that he's black.

LOL... silly eurotwit; with a name like Barack Hussein Obama do you think they needed a picture or a form checked to figure out he wasn't white?

..oh wait; it was Harvard.

Never mind.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SkyRock on August 25, 2008, 09:33:10 AM
He ain't voting AT ALL. Look at his location, then ask him his age and voting status.
:aok

 :rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 25, 2008, 09:43:40 AM
... but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).

Can you detail (from your point of view) how Obama's "promised" changes are FAR better than those of McCain's?





No hurry, I can wait for your dual-nationalized mommy and daddy to spoon feed you the talking points.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 25, 2008, 09:52:03 AM
My girl friend and I were channel surfing yesterday morning.
We decided to count how many times something was on about Obamma vs McCain.
 We counted 18 times Obamma was mentioned vs 6 times that McCain was mentioned.
What does that tell you about our media?? Seems that Every time I turn on the Boob tube
I see Obamma and hardly ever to I see McCain.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Shifty on August 25, 2008, 10:00:20 AM


Well after Bush, it would be hard for the changes by either candidate to be for the worse (realistically speaking), but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).

Just how bad have you suffered under Bush, and exactly what kind of change do you want to see?
Exactly what in your life is so screwed up that you need to seek change through the politics of another country?
Seriously, you're full of s**t sitting in your home spouting off for change in our country on the internet, when you don't provide anything for yourself in your own life kid.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: moot on August 25, 2008, 10:06:47 AM
@moot: IMO it has disappeared (if we're talking about the same thing - the racism issue).  When he applied to Harvard, Obama did not put on his CV that he's black.
It hasn't even started to disappear you freakin fanboy.  Obama hasn't come out and said explicitely  "BLACK/WHITE division is keeping America stuck in mud.. We MUST get over it yesterday before expecting any true unbiased devotion to America's true goals".  He's a black person in a position of leadership... And what does he do?  He parrots the freakin Democratic party line... Instead of going MLK on couch-potatoe-America's arse and going straight for the jugular: "Kill the freakin in-fighting already!"  

But no.... Can't have that.. We gotta make the "republicans" pay.. We gotta dismiss the founding fathers' work as "outdated" and take the democratic party line as gospel.   Lighten up UK-boy.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Carrel on August 25, 2008, 10:40:44 AM
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Why do people do this? Eagl, can you explain it to me? What's the point? Does saying "in" before a thread is locked make you feel clever? Witty? Seriously, I don't get it Eagl- it adds absolutely nothing to a discussion, and if a thread doesn't get locked after you've added your one word comment to it then it makes you look kinda foolish, don'tchathink?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yeager on August 25, 2008, 10:45:59 AM
forget it yossarian.......

thats all the time I will waste on your post.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: RATTFINK on August 25, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
I think m00t is the first French American guy I can stand :D
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: red26 on August 25, 2008, 11:50:30 AM
Im not voting for him because he is black or musslum or the fact that he is a demacrat but just because he needs more time in a office to run my country, right now is the wroung time for such a young person to be in office. Im shure he is a "cough cough" nice person and all he just dosent have the OJT he needs to be my Commander and Chief. I know im going to get fired back on for this but oh well.

RED
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: BTW on August 25, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
My girl friend and I were channel surfing yesterday morning.
We decided to count how many times something was on about Obamma vs McCain.
 We counted 18 times Obamma was mentioned vs 6 times that McCain was mentioned.
What does that tell you about our media?? Seems that Every time I turn on the Boob tube
I see Obamma and hardly ever to I see McCain.

Ya think? This is what Lou Dobbs of CNN has to say on it:
from : http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/08/25/lou-dobbs-my-colleagues-media-are-absolutely-biased

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You know, with all the national media, as I've been saying here for months, in the tanks. My colleagues in the national media are absolutely biased, in the tank supporting the Obama candidacy while claiming the mantle of objectivity. Whether they're in the front page of "The Washington Post," "The New York Times," whether it's any one of the news casts, I mean, it's ridiculous.

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Well, I think the way the national media in this country right [now] is performing, is disgraceful. And I mean, when we - "The Washington Post" had the courage to admit that it - Deborah Howell, the public editor, the ombudsman for the "Washington Post" ran a piece this past Sunday acknowledging that "The Washington Post" has put Barack Obama on the front pages of the Washington Post three times as many times as Senator McCain. "Time" magazine has run seven covers with Obama. McCain two. I mean, this is not close, folks. And it is ugly. It is nasty. And I guarantee you, we are watching a shift in the way in which the media in this country, which is already reviled by the public, I believe it's going to be even worse.

I'm an advocacy journalist. I'm an independent populist. When I speak, people know where I'm coming from. When these news organizations are doing this and trying to pretend cloaking themselves in the mantle of objectivity, you know, they're silly, (trulish), absolutely in my opinion, despicable phonies.

People have to understand this not only about the election. The old media, the mainstream media, has become a propaganda machine worse than any "news" agency of Russia. I really hope there is a tremendous backlash from it and there is legitimate reform in the way media covers itself. The only thing ( other than government intrusion which I in no way support) that can hold propagandists media accountable is objective media. The professional courtesy of media not reporting on media ( other than bashing right wing shows as "hate speech") has to stop.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: john9001 on August 25, 2008, 12:58:43 PM
joe biden said obama is too inexperienced to be president, oh wait, that was a few months ago.

now joe biden says, " i give you the next President of the United States of America, Barack America"
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Denholm on August 25, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
Democrats are being dumb as ever. Not that the Republicans have anything to show for themselves either.

This year our family is in the, "pick your poison," scenario. Liberal, or liberal?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: bj229r on August 25, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
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but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).

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I don't need to tell you that John McCain will just bring us another four years of the same. You can't change America when you supported George Bush's policies 95% of the time.

How many more standard DNC talking points can you recite?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 25, 2008, 07:28:11 PM
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Central Planning is sold to a hopeful people as a way to solve societal problems, to right wrongs, and bring about perfect justice and equality. Central Planning promises you everything you are entitled to. As a bonus, goods and services produced by others are added to the list of commodities that everyone has a "right" to. Suddenly everyone is entitled to healthcare, housing, education, food, et cetera. It might sound nice that the state will magically provide all these wonderful things, but these rosy promises mask a dehumanizing, ugly reality. The other side of these entitlements is that now the doctor, the builder, the teacher, the farmer are slaves to the all-powerful state. No longer do they serve patients, students, or customers. They work in complete obedience to the state, their only customer.

  Central planning will tell you that you are entitled to many things. Liberty tells you that you are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; to whatever you earn, and nothing that you don't. While it may seem harsh to some, we must look to basic economic truths and to history to see which model is cruel and which model is kind.

The truth is that central planning cannot provide for economic success like freedom can. Central planning makes promises it cannot possibly keep. We live in a world of unlimited wants and limited resources. If you put a massive and powerful government in charge of distributing those resources, it is not a surprise that government and those in bed with government are first in line for those resources. The poor and the middle class – the most hopeful and trusting – are hurt the most, as the state always underestimates their needs and overestimates their ability to pay taxes and absorb inflation.


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Who wrote that?

Freedom is Golden
By Ron Paul

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/freedom_is_golden.html

You want change? You're going to have to pop your head out of your anal vent and realize that it will totally be business as usual if either McC or The Obamessiah win.

Instead of voting against someone vote for Liberty.

The Libertarian party awaits your support.

Liberty. Freedom. POSITIVE Change.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: FrodeMk3 on August 25, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
How many more standard DNC talking points can you recite?

It's too bad that Bush was such a trainwreck that a saying such as that would become a standard point. Alot of the mistake's made by this administration are what hobbles' McCain's campaign; especially so, since we still have American troops' involved in the Middle east. The daily news headlines' are a constant reminder to many that Iraq is still there, still a drain on our resources-especially with an economy that's struggling with increasing inflation, Incredibly high energy prices, and a credit/mortgage crisis that's yet to be resolved.

McCain's strategy would have been more successful if he would have distanced himself more from the current White House, IMHO.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: FrodeMk3 on August 25, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
[/size]

Who wrote that?

Freedom is Golden
By Ron Paul

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/freedom_is_golden.html

You want change? You're going to have to pop your head out of your anal vent and realize that it will totally be business as usual if either McC or The Obamessiah win.

Instead of voting against someone vote for Liberty.

The Libertarian party awaits your support.

Liberty. Freedom. POSITIVE Change.

You would think that now would be the time for him to strike, and really make some headway towards' November. Hell, look at what Ross Perot did (before he caved in) against the opponent's he had at the time.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: john9001 on August 25, 2008, 07:41:40 PM
a vote for ron paul is a vote for obama. you know it , everybody knows it.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: AKIron on August 25, 2008, 07:44:40 PM
a vote for ron paul is a vote for obama. you know it , everybody knows it.

Real men vote for Ralph Nader.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 07:55:04 PM
Just how bad have you suffered under Bush, and exactly what kind of change do you want to see?
Exactly what in your life is so screwed up that you need to seek change through the politics of another country?
Seriously, you're full of s**t sitting in your home spouting off for change in our country on the internet, when you don't provide anything for yourself in your own life kid.

Aaahhh...hmm....the first two lines of your post don't make much sense at the moment, so I think I'll conveniently ignore them until your clarify it for me.

And also seriously, who are you to tell me that I'm full of it?  And as for your final phrase, why does that mean I (in your view) am/should not be allowed to voice my opinions on here, and show people how I see things?

[snip]

But no.... Can't have that.. We gotta make the "republicans" pay.. We gotta dismiss the founding fathers' work as "outdated" and take the democratic party line as gospel.   Lighten up UK-boy.

I never said that 'we' have to make the Republicans pay, what I said (or at least have been implying) is that I support Obama, and I really don't care whether I can vote or not, because I support him all the same.  And as far as my age/nationalities come into it, so what?  I've spent enough time in the USA (my entire family is American) that I am far from ignorant about this country.  Going back to your post, I never dismissed their work, and I don't think I ever will.  Please tell me what evidence you have for that statement.  And no, I don't take the Democrats' words unconditionally.

forget it yossarian.......

thats all the time I will waste on your post.

In the words of McWatt from Catch-22,

"Oh well, what the hell."

How many more standard DNC talking points can you recite?

Who cares if it may/may not be a DNC talking points?  What matters is whether it is true or not, and I'd be very interested to see any statistics showing that it is untrue.

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but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).

To support those quotes:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html)


And to all those who have problems with Obama's experience (or lack thereof), I'd say that what matters is the candidate's ideas, rather than how much experience they may have.  McCain may have a lot of experience, but that doesn't mean his ideas are any good IMO.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 25, 2008, 07:57:22 PM
It doesn't matter.

If The Obamessiah wins or McC wins WE ALL STILL LOSE.

Sooner or later you have to take a stand at the ballot box. If you don't you eventually end up with one of two choices. A life on your knees as serfs of the Federal government or blood in the streets.

I think I'll try for change at the ballot box. Whether or not you like to admit it, Perot's campaign changed the American political scene. The two parties got called during the debates; they didn't get away with their bland bullpoop platitudes with Perot in the mix.  Unfortunately, we all went somnambulant and allowed the two parties and the media to create a rigged, 'bi-partisan,' corporate-sponsored debate commission dedicated to making sure that no third party candidate would ever again enjoy such exposure to the voters. You doubt it? Just recall this rounds Republican debates. The only guy preaching true change and a return to Liberty was never allowed to talk. Despite setting records for campaign contributions, Paul got cut out of the debates.

You can bend over and take this two party shutdown of an open political process or you can stand on your hind legs and shout "I'm not gonna take it anymore" and vote for freedom instead of against the lesser of two weasels.

You choice: be a sheeple or stand for freedom.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 25, 2008, 08:04:10 PM
McCain may have a lot of experience, but that doesn't mean his ideas are any good IMO.

Once again, can you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 




(hint:  you have to put some thought into it...reciting talking points does not cut it)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
Once again, can you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 




(hint:  you have to put some thought into it...reciting talking points does not cut it)

Yes, I can.  And thanks for trying to help, but I don't really need that hint.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 25, 2008, 08:52:10 PM
Once again, will you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 

Sorry for not being more specific in my original post....it's fixed now ^^^^
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 25, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
Donzo, save your electrons.

He won't do it because he can't cutnpaste it. He'd actually have to think for himself.

I wonder if he even realizes that The Obamessiah's Veep, Biden, took credit for most of what is in tEh EeVii111 BOOSH'S Patriot Act. Check out the transcript of Meet The Press Sept 30, 2001.

 
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"I introduced the terrorism bill in '94 that had a lot of these things in it,"

For those that care, it was S.390, the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 that Biden introduced.

Now there's Change You Can Believe In! The Obamessiah's VEEP was way ahead of tEh EeVii111 BOOSH on the Patriot Act. He says so himself.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

McC/Obamessiah - two sides of the same coin. Vote Liberty! Vote Libertarian!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Shifty on August 25, 2008, 09:28:02 PM
Aaahhh...hmm....the first two lines of your post don't make much sense at the moment, so I think I'll conveniently ignore them until your clarify it for me.

And also seriously, who are you to tell me that I'm full of it?  And as for your final phrase, why does that mean I (in your view) am/should not be allowed to voice my opinions on here, and show people how I see things?

So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 25, 2008, 09:30:37 PM
Another thing about Biden is that he was one of the first to say that we did not initially send enough troops into Iraq.

Then he was one of the first to oppose the surge.

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 25, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.


That's OK he's a democrat in the making, so far he's passing with flying colours. :aok
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 09:40:22 PM
So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.



Ok, so please tell me why my opinion is supposedly worth nothing?

And in response to your original question:

Both my parents are Reagan Republicans, who are now going to vote for Obama because of what Bush has done to the country in which they were raised.  Obama believes in the same principles Reagan did.

Now, in anticipation of your asking 'Why punish the Republicans for what Bush has done?', I think that Obama is going to uphold the Constitution, whereas I see no sign that McCain is going to do so (looking at the fact that he has voted with Bush on a vast majority of issues).
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: WWhiskey on August 25, 2008, 09:44:26 PM
Well I've seen multiple pictures of McCain which try to portray him in the way you just described.  And I'm hardly surprised if the media has that much influence on people, as it is essentially our only way of knowing what happens in the world.

<S>

Yossarian
you mean like these(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/2576236031_1be21850ae.jpg)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/2188586601_61420a97a9.jpg)
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/180px-Nixon_greets_POW_McCain.jpg)
 (http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/mccain.jpg)
 (http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/azsd-1.jpg)
of course i like this one myself
 (http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/2z6dw5z.jpg)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 25, 2008, 09:47:32 PM
Obama believes in the same principles Reagan did.

Really, how so?

Be specific, please.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 25, 2008, 09:58:08 PM
Really, how so?

Be specific, please.

Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 25, 2008, 09:59:52 PM
MOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAA!!!!

Stop it kid, ya killin' me!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 25, 2008, 10:06:28 PM
Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.
Seriously? Democrats?
:rofl
I'm no an American citizen and I'm not voting there, but even with my limited grasp of American politics this statement has to be one of the most outlandish laughable things I've seen in ages!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Joker on August 25, 2008, 11:06:52 PM
Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.

WOW


I guess that's all we really need to know about Yossarian's take on US politics.......  :rofl

  Joker
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: BTW on August 25, 2008, 11:27:28 PM
Obama believes in the same principles Reagan did.



Yea, I remember Reagan advocating windfall taxes.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 26, 2008, 12:06:18 AM
Yea, I remember Reagan advocating windfall taxes.

Untrue.  He removed them.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 26, 2008, 12:37:25 AM
Voodoo Economics.

Carter, Reagan and Obama.. windfall profits and the cost.

http://blog.reagansgop.com/?p=115 (http://blog.reagansgop.com/?p=115)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Chalenge on August 26, 2008, 12:54:50 AM
Obama the messiah and the democrats hand picked opponent McCain both are poor choices. I can see why someone in the UK would want our President to be dumb as stone... no I cant really. Schools over there must be worse then here!

Biden on McCain and Obama...

http://election.newsmax.com/mccain_obamabiden.html?s=al&promo_code=6870-1

After seeing this ad I thought to myself: 'Its obvious they chose McCain and now he uses this for proof of legitimacy?"
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 26, 2008, 05:46:12 AM
Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.

LMAO   :rofl

Try:
Big government, nanny state, and treating the Constitution as a "living document".
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 26, 2008, 05:56:38 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of:
MASSIVE Government, the Government knows best act and "we needed a new constitution anyway".
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Wayout on August 26, 2008, 06:04:57 AM
Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.
Someone wasn't been paying attention to what Obama has been saying.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 26, 2008, 06:11:11 AM
Someone wasn't been paying attention to what Obama has been saying.

He doesnt listen to Obama...he gets a daily spoon feeding from mommy and daddy.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Mojava on August 26, 2008, 08:24:09 AM

The Bush administration is a testament to everything the Republicans stand for. Big Government, Big spending and a lack of ethics in adhering to the constitution.  The Republicans are responsible for both the greatest debt in our history as well as the largest growth in government.  The grand old party has lost it's way.  I think the new standard bearers for the Republican party are the Libertarians. 
 
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: BTW on August 26, 2008, 08:46:24 AM
Untrue.  He removed them.

I was being sarcastic. Obama is advocating windfall taxes. He's a typical tax and spend Dimocrat.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Stixx on August 26, 2008, 10:07:21 AM
Never will understand why grown men argue with a 16 year old who pays no taxes and has
no clue what its like to be forced to choose between food or gas to get to work.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 26, 2008, 02:39:39 PM
I don't need to tell you that John McCain will just bring us another four years of the same. You can't change America when you supported George Bush's policies 95% of the time.

Also, for all your anti-Obama BS (usually BS), here's something:

BS: John McCain is attacking Barack Obama for not visiting wounded troops

RUMOUR:  John McCain, his spokesmen, and his TV ads have all been politicizing our heroes overseas by making the false claim that Barack Obama snubbed wounded troops by not visiting them on his foreign trip.

TRUTH:  Barack Obama’s campaign canceled an originally private visit (no media) to wounded troops in Germany to avoid politicizing our soldiers during his campaign-funded trip in Germany.

So ... BS is John McCain 'attacking Barack Obama for not visiting wounded troops'

While the truth is 'Barack Obama’s campaign canceled an originally private visit (no media) to wounded troops in Germany'

So... BS is John McCain attacking the truth?

I'm confused about this.

By the way, change will not happen until we  CHANGE CONGRESS

Congress taxes, spends, and borrows and makes the law.  The Executive branch executes the law.

Vote against all encumbants, regardless of party.  Give some other crooks a chance.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 26, 2008, 02:55:25 PM
By the way, change will not happen until we CHANGE CONGRESS

Congress taxes, spends, and borrows and makes the law.  The Executive branch executes the law.

Vote against all encumbants, regardless of party.  Give some other crooks a chance.


AAAAAAAMEN!!!!!  :aok
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: john9001 on August 26, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
term limits, line item veto.

it's a start for real change
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 26, 2008, 03:57:22 PM
By the way, change will not happen until we CHANGE CONGRESS

Congress taxes, spends, and borrows and makes the law.  The Executive branch executes the law.

Vote against all encumbants, regardless of party.  Give some other crooks a chance.


AAAAAAAMEN!!!!!  :aok

Aye!

term limits, line item veto.

it's a start for real change

Aye!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: sldered on August 26, 2008, 04:11:51 PM
By the way, change will not happen until we CHANGE CONGRESS

Congress taxes, spends, and borrows and makes the law.  The Executive branch executes the law.

Vote against all encumbants, regardless of party.  Give some other crooks a chance.


AAAAAAAMEN!!!!!  :aok

Preach on ..     And please dont vote for Obama. I like my job.       www.goarmy.com
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: trigger2 on August 26, 2008, 04:14:12 PM
Change?

McC or Obamessiah is more of the same poop we've had for the last 20 years.

If you truly want change and you truly want freedom, vote Libertarian.



If you REALLY want change... vote zazen  :D
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: TwentyFo on August 26, 2008, 06:21:34 PM
Joining the military is NOT the only way one can serve his/her country. What about the people that help the poor, the homeless, the sick, etc. These are all ways that one can help improve their country.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Jackal1 on August 26, 2008, 06:31:46 PM
Your sig is weak.

So is your wrists.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: redman555 on August 26, 2008, 06:40:11 PM
i think Obama shouldent even be able to run for president.... he wont put his hand over his heart for pledge of allegiance


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Jackal1 on August 26, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.

HoYaaaaaaaaaah!
That has set a new world record for the most warped  statement ever made on the intardnet.
Congrats.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: 321BAR on August 26, 2008, 06:44:58 PM
For anyone who still believes the bullpoop about change, I suggest taking a few minutes and reading this editorial on the power of the Presidency.

McC or Obamessiah you're getting more of the same.
Quote
Yeah it's kinda true but, Obama is gonna actually hekp this country more than what McCain has in store.
i think Obama shouldent even be able to run for president.... he wont put his hand over his heart for pledge of allegiance


-BigBOBCH
Did U even read this article??? or u just posting what u heard??? i saw him do this on a video somewhere...where do you get your information???
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: 321BAR on August 26, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Yeah um, that last message was messed up, but read it like it is  :lol the bold is a quote also
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 26, 2008, 07:57:30 PM
i think Obama shouldent even be able to run for president.... he wont put his hand over his heart for pledge of allegiance


-BigBOBCH

Kindly read the original post.

Also, add multi-lateral foreign policy to the list of why I support Obama over McCain.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 26, 2008, 08:09:02 PM
Kindly read the original post.

Also, add multi-lateral foreign policy to the list of why I support Obama over McCain.

And how would you describe a multilateral foreign policy?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Toad on August 26, 2008, 08:10:33 PM
That's when you throw the policy sideways across the field to different players several times in one play.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 26, 2008, 08:15:18 PM
And how would you describe a multilateral foreign policy?
I got $5 on a cut 'n' paste :lol
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 26, 2008, 08:53:16 PM
I got $5 on a cut 'n' paste :lol

From Wikipedia, too!  :rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 26, 2008, 08:58:50 PM
Good, because you all owe me $5 in that case  :)

In my own words:

Multi-lateral foreign policy means working with your allies, rather than going at it alone.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: mensa180 on August 26, 2008, 09:08:35 PM
Good, because you all owe me $5 in that case  :)

In my own words:

Multi-lateral foreign policy means working with your allies, rather than going at it alone.

And if our allies don't support what we intend to do, even though it may be the right thing?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 26, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
In short a multilateral foreign policy is an attempt to keep everybody happy. It's akin to trying to reach a big compromise which with the diversity faced in world politics is never going to work.
You might as well throw open your borders and say "Come on in y'all! Do what you like and we'll love it!" and be done with it.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 26, 2008, 09:29:41 PM
Good, because you all owe me $5 in that case  :)

In my own words:

Multi-lateral foreign policy means working with your allies, rather than going at it alone.

When did we go it alone?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 26, 2008, 10:23:46 PM
When did we go it alone?

Iraq.  I know there was a Coalition, but it sure wasn't much of one.  The first George Bush got a huge coalition to go along with him in Gulf War One, but George W. Bush went into Iraq without a broad international agreement that it was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 26, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
Iraq.  I know there was a Coalition, but it sure wasn't much of one.  The first George Bush got a huge coalition to go along with him in Gulf War One, but George W. Bush went into Iraq without a broad international agreement that it was the right thing to do.

Bush woulda never tried it without his poodle.

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9387/bushenvoynu4.jpg)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: WWhiskey on August 26, 2008, 11:48:10 PM
Iraq.  I know there was a Coalition, but it sure wasn't much of one.  The first George Bush got a huge coalition to go along with him in Gulf War One, but George W. Bush went into Iraq without a broad international agreement that it was the right thing to do.

lets see england went too war with germany all by itself,, was that a bad thing ? should they have waited till the rest of the free world got on board? i think they would have been german subjects by then! thank god (on your behalf) that they acted without the consent of the rest of the world!
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 27, 2008, 05:52:36 AM
Iraq.  I know there was a Coalition, but it sure wasn't much of one.  The first George Bush got a huge coalition to go along with him in Gulf War One, but George W. Bush went into Iraq without a broad international agreement that it was the right thing to do.

So, in your mind there are different degrees of coalitions?  You yourself said we went into Iraq with a coalition, just not much of one. 

So what is your definition of a real coalition?

Do you think we should have just teamed up with the UN and passed another resolution?




What about when Clinton was bombing the Serbs or sending troops to Somalia?  Was there a coalition then and did it meet your standards?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Rich46yo on August 27, 2008, 06:03:30 AM
Bush woulda never tried it without his poodle.

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9387/bushenvoynu4.jpg)

The Brits are a lot of things but one thing they aint is "poodles". I myself am glad there are still people like them left in this manure pile world.

I guess we could have all sat around for another 11 years while Saddam flipped the bird at us again on a daily basis.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 27, 2008, 08:33:23 AM
The Brits are a lot of things but one thing they aint is "poodles". I myself am glad there are still people like them left in this manure pile world.

I guess we could have all sat around for another 11 years while Saddam flipped the bird at us again on a daily basis.

I hear yah Rich... was just clubbing the thread starter/obama-fan/british subject teenager with the painful truth that his nation was the #1 contributor of support in the coalition that dealt with saddam... in a format he could come to grips with.

Carry on. <S!>
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: CAP1 on August 27, 2008, 08:37:26 AM
lets see england went too war with germany all by itself,, was that a bad thing ? should they have waited till the rest of the free world got on board? i think they would have been german subjects by then! thank god (on your behalf) that they acted without the consent of the rest of the world!

YA, because we all know iraq is sooo powerful and allmighty. they were within a day of taking over the world when we went in there, right? :D
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: xbrit on August 27, 2008, 09:29:55 AM
This is probably the same kid who last week on the game who made the statement "All Brits are stupid" then claims he was really British.
My son is a dual national but he doesn't think it correct of him to involve himself in something he doesn't have personal knowledge of, yes he could go online and research but he wouldn't be there to "see and feel" how these things affect him or he could go on my say so but he is too much of an individual to just follow blindly.
The only thing I can think of is that this kid is starved of attention so comes here trying to cause strife with his C&P arguements so that we may give him the attention his parents should be giving.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Yossarian on August 27, 2008, 09:52:34 AM
lets see england went too war with germany all by itself,, was that a bad thing ? should they have waited till the rest of the free world got on board? i think they would have been german subjects by then! thank god (on your behalf) that they acted without the consent of the rest of the world!

Incorrect, if you're referring to World War II, Britain went to war with France against Germany.

[snip]

Wrong on all counts.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: WWhiskey on August 27, 2008, 10:07:04 AM
YA, because we all know Iraq is sooo powerful and allmighty. they were within a day of taking over the world when we went in there, right? :D
well we could have stop ed the germans long before they caused millions to die
but instead we tried to appease them and to what end?
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: xbrit on August 27, 2008, 10:33:58 AM
I just love the way this kid thinks if he says it that makes it correct but if it's someone elses statement they are wrong, oh well I suppose that's typical kids.
Maybe when they drop he will develop a mind of his own and not just follow blindly.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: RATTFINK on August 27, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
(http://www.wvi.com/~coinguy/coins.jpg)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SD67 on August 27, 2008, 10:58:42 AM
Meerkat meltdown in 5
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 27, 2008, 12:44:31 PM
Incorrect, if you're referring to World War II, Britain went to war with France against Germany.

Wrong on all counts.

It's interesting how you pick and choose what posts to respond to.
Was mine over your head? (it was in between WWhiskey's and xbrit's)

xbrit has is right:
I just love the way this kid thinks if he says it that makes it correct but if it's someone elses statement they are wrong, oh well I suppose that's typical kids.
Maybe when they drop he will develop a mind of his own and not just follow blindly.

It's the liberal way....all for freedom of speech as long as it is their speech...anything that goes against their rose-colored world view is either wrong, racists, or hate speech.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 27, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
It's interesting how you pick and choose what posts to respond to.
Was mine over your head? (it was in between WWhiskey's and xbrit's)

xbrit has is right:
It's the liberal way....all for freedom of speech as long as it is their speech...anything that goes against their rose-colored world view is either wrong, racists, or hate speech.


I'm an anti-democrat. I'm wrong, racist and a hater.

 :aok

Life is good.

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: SkyRock on August 27, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
Donzo and hangtime are one bulb shy of a working lamp. :aok
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 27, 2008, 01:50:11 PM

(http://www.wvi.com/~coinguy/coins.jpg)


Change. It's what you'll have left when Obama is through with you.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Hangtime on August 27, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
Donzo and hangtime are one bulb shy of a working lamp. :aok

remember those xmas light strings... one bulb out; the whole damn string is dead.

 :D

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Donzo on August 27, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
Donzo and hangtime are one bulb shy of a working lamp. :aok

Looks like 4 is my lucky number.  :aok
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Torque on August 27, 2008, 04:59:51 PM
well we could have stop ed the germans long before they caused millions to die
but instead we tried to appease them and to what end?


crack me up...  canadian soldiers were dieing in the skies and on the beaches of france while american corporations were aiding and abetting the nazi party.

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Torque on August 27, 2008, 05:00:39 PM
yossarian you're missing the point tho... the repungicans and dummycrates are just opposite wings of the same party... voting for either is not going to change a thing.

there was a real chance for change with ron paul... but with so few real americans left he didn't have a chance against the hordes of empire loyalists.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: lazs2 on August 28, 2008, 08:27:48 AM
ahh..  a "real American" torque the socialist canadian speaks up!  at last!

I got an idea.. why don't you fix your screwed up country first?

lazs
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: WWhiskey on August 28, 2008, 10:33:38 AM
crack me up...  Canadian soldiers were dieing in the skies and on the beaches of France while American corporations were aiding and abetting the Nazi party.




maybe they should have been more prepared,   i mean soldiers don't fly, pilots do,, and nobody with any sense would have been on the french beach's trying to fight the germans before d-day,, so if your talking about Dunkirk? i guess i would have to again say the British people saved the day, in there little boats and rescued over half the fighting force trapped on the beaches, trying too retreat from the German "Juggernaut" that no one saw coming or prepared for because PM Chamberlain, had his head buried in the sand!
o and there was no report of any Canadian troops anywere around there,, :huh only french (139,997 rescued by the ninth day) and British(338,229 rescued)
Canadian Parliament declared war on germany 10 September 1939 one week after the united kingdom and France,

Canadian airmen played a small but significant role in the Battle of Britain!
 Troops of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Division also played a leading role in the disastrous Dieppe Raid in August 1942. 9 months after we entered the war!  by the way this is the first time Canadian troops fought in WW2 on the European front,  The attack was also important in the history of American involvement in World War 2,, on account of it being the first combat between American and German ground forces in the war! :huh so what was that you were saying about ca nook soldiers? i think us yanks were there with you guy's! :aok

Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: dentin on August 28, 2008, 11:19:57 AM
My girl friend and I were channel surfing yesterday morning.
We decided to count how many times something was on about Obamma vs McCain.
 We counted 18 times Obamma was mentioned vs 6 times that McCain was mentioned.
What does that tell you about our media?? Seems that Every time I turn on the Boob tube
I see Obamma and hardly ever to I see McCain.

Perhaps that's why it's called a "boob tube"??  :D
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: Mojava on August 28, 2008, 11:22:01 AM
Here's a good Fox News report on change and the same.  Fox News (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/28/why-veterans-should-vote-for-obama-not-mccain/)
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: dentin on August 28, 2008, 11:27:57 AM
And if our allies don't support what we intend to do, even though it may be the right thing?

KISS solution, " lead, follow OR get outta the way"..the former has always been first choice.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: dentin on August 28, 2008, 11:31:47 AM
So is your wrists.

 :rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: dentin on August 28, 2008, 11:36:45 AM
term limits, line item veto.

it's a start for real change

Job Performance review by constituents , mid term...fail> dunce cap has to be worn anytime in public view.   :rofl
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: john9001 on August 28, 2008, 12:17:50 PM
crack me up...  canadian soldiers were dieing in the skies and on the beaches of france while american corporations were aiding and abetting the nazi party.



he may have been talking about the Dieppe Raid, but that is Mountbatten's fault not the USA.
Title: Re: You want change...?
Post by: WWhiskey on August 28, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
he may have been talking about the Dieppe Raid, but that is Mountbatten's fault not the USA.


you must have missed this post of mine



 maybe they should have been more prepared,   i mean soldiers don't fly, pilots do,, and nobody with any sense would have been on the french beach's trying to fight the germans before d-day,, so if your talking about Dunkirk? i guess i would have to again say the British people saved the day, in there little boats and rescued over half the fighting force trapped on the beaches, trying too retreat from the German "Juggernaut" that no one saw coming or prepared for because PM Chamberlain, had his head buried in the sand!
o and there was no report of any Canadian troops anywere around there,,  only french (139,997 rescued by the ninth day) and British(338,229 rescued)
Canadian Parliament declared war on germany 10 September 1939 one week after the united kingdom and France,

Canadian airmen played a small but significant role in the Battle of Britain!
 Troops of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Division also played a leading role in the disastrous Dieppe Raid in August 1942. 9 months after we entered the war!  by the way this is the first time Canadian troops fought in WW2 on the European front,  The attack was also important in the history of American involvement in World War 2,, on account of it being the first combat between American and German ground forces in the war!  so what was that you were saying about ca nook soldiers? i think us yanks were there with you guy's!