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Title: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: swareiam on August 26, 2008, 03:35:23 PM
I'd like to see planes like the P-40E and the P-47D-11 enabled from CVs. These aircraft were successfully launched from aircraft carries in large numbers in the Mediterrean and South Pacific. :aok  Of coarse the CVs were just transportation for the aircraft to their final destinations in most cases. But would still be cool for the MA.

What do you think?

Cheers...

Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Bronk on August 26, 2008, 04:14:38 PM
No
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: glock89 on August 26, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
No
:aok
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: bobtom on August 26, 2008, 04:19:56 PM
No

seconded
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: trigger2 on August 26, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
No

Hmm, if they were launched in strength from them, and you can back that up... I don't see why not, although, if possible, I would like to see a small (maybe 5-7) perk cost for carrier launch... that is... if you can back it up  :aok
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Karnak on August 26, 2008, 04:29:13 PM
No, if more CV aircraft are wanted, then more CV aircraft should be added.  There are still lots that aren't in the game.

Hmm, if they were launched in strength from them, and you can back that up... I don't see why not, although, if possible, I would like to see a small (maybe 5-7) perk cost for carrier launch... that is... if you can back it up  :aok
There were delivered off of carriers at times, they did not launch for combat sorties off of carriers.  As such, they should not be CV enabled.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: titanic3 on August 26, 2008, 04:31:03 PM
The planes that are not enabled are not... for a reason.

1. They were never historically used on CVs.
2. With the exceptions of some rare or modified aircraft.
3. They only serve as an emergency landing platform, other than what it was meant for.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Yossarian on August 26, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
No, if more CV aircraft are wanted, then more CV aircraft should be added.  There are still lots that aren't in the game.
There were delivered off of carriers at times, they did not launch for combat sorties off of carriers.  As such, they should not be CV enabled.

I have seen sources saying that P-47s were used for CAPs repeatedly over some carriers ferrying them in the Pacific.  I'll try and dig that one up.  If it turns out that this is in fact correct, and that this happened a lot, then I'm all for this idea.

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Jester on August 26, 2008, 07:14:44 PM
"NO"

Have a Nice Day!   :D
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: 321BAR on August 26, 2008, 07:38:39 PM
"NO"

Have a Nice Day!   :D
Agreed, we need historically used CV planes before even thinking of this
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Bronk on August 26, 2008, 09:33:29 PM
I have seen sources saying that P-47s were used for CAPs repeatedly over some carriers ferrying them in the Pacific.  I'll try and dig that one up.  If it turns out that this is in fact correct, and that this happened a lot, then I'm all for this idea.

<S>

Yossarian
yea... how many landed on that deck? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Oogly50 on August 26, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
How would you be able to take off with those planes anyway?  I can barely take off with the CV planes alone, why would I want to try and master taking off in even bigger and slower planes? 
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Bronk on August 26, 2008, 09:57:38 PM
How would you be able to take off with those planes anyway?  I can barely take off with the CV planes alone, why would I want to try and master taking off in even bigger and slower planes? 

Full flaps, wep for teh win.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: trigger2 on August 26, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
Full flaps, wep for teh win.

Full flaps just bleeds E, you should know that.  :aok

So, how I usually do it, hit WEP (0 flaps, you're able to grab speed faster) then 3/4 down the runway, add 50-75% flaps as needed for enough lift :D
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Spikes on August 27, 2008, 01:30:06 AM
Full flaps just bleeds E, you should know that.  :aok

So, how I usually do it, hit WEP (0 flaps, you're able to grab speed faster) then 3/4 down the runway, add 50-75% flaps as needed for enough lift :D
FYI - You need lift not E to get off a CV...you should know that.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: trigger2 on August 27, 2008, 03:54:49 AM
FYI - You need lift not E to get off a CV...you should know that.

I'm well aware of that, but I doubt you could get enough lift generated via flaps/elevators to get a p47...oh say d-11 off of a carrier at 50 mph, whereas, if you get your speed up to 100 mph, nail the flaps, you'll be down the Rway less, with the lift you need to get airborne, so, when done right, you should be able to get airborne faster...

:salute
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Dantoo on August 27, 2008, 04:03:13 AM

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How would you be able to take off with those planes anyway?

Watch and learn how they did it.  No cats in AH though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s)
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: valdals on August 27, 2008, 05:57:01 AM
p39 yes and maybe a sea hurricane but no to the rest
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: swareiam on August 28, 2008, 12:27:29 PM
Watch and learn how they did it.  No cats in AH though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s)

Dantoo,

Nice find :aok

For historical prospectives at least these two aircraft, the P-40 and P-47 were ferried by CV throughout the Pacific and Mediterranian, take the American invasion of North Africa "Operation Torch" for example. As the film link above shows the practical application of a shipboard catapault was used to make these operations a success. So hold off on the short sightedness, because its already been done. Besides what difference does it make if they launch from a carrier in the MA? Also, I didn't mention anything about adding more planes to the game. That was not the subject or intention of this post.

Wouldn't you really like to have a true Doolittle Raid in a SNAPSHOT or for a Squad night OP?

 :salute

BTW, the P-39 has been enabled  from the CVs recently because. WHY?  A couple of months ago JU88's were enabled from CVs in the AvA arena. :huh

Hey, I don't have a problem with it.  :cool:

Cheers...
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: LLogann on August 28, 2008, 03:00:52 PM
You beat me to that one! <S>
FYI - You need lift not E to get off a CV...you should know that.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: trigger2 on August 28, 2008, 03:24:52 PM
You beat me to that one! <S>



I'm well aware of that, but I doubt you could get enough lift generated via flaps/elevators to get a p47...oh say d-11 off of a carrier at 50 mph, whereas, if you get your speed up to 100 mph, nail the flaps, you'll be down the Rway less, with the lift you need to get airborne, so, when done right, you should be able to get airborne faster...

:salute

Adding...
Without a headwind, forward E is what will put enough air over your wings to generate lift, and I perfer to be off the Rway asap, so, get speed up to 100 mph, nail the flaps, you'll be down the Rway less, and airborne...
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 28, 2008, 03:42:32 PM
p39 yes and maybe a sea hurricane but no to the rest

P-39?  Do you even read about the planes you fly in this game?  Name one time a P-39 took off from a CV for a combat mission and then returned to land on a CV.  The only time planes like the P-39, P-40 and P-47 saw the deck of a CV was when they were being ferried to their theater of operation.


ack-ack
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 28, 2008, 03:47:08 PM
Dantoo,

Nice find :aok

For historical prospectives at least these two aircraft, the P-40 and P-47 were ferried by CV throughout the Pacific and Mediterranian, take the American invasion of North Africa "Operation Torch" for example. As the film link above shows the practical application of a shipboard catapault was used to make these operations a success. So hold off on the short sightedness, because its already been done. Besides what difference does it make if they launch from a carrier in the MA? Also, I didn't mention anything about adding more planes to the game. That was not the subject or intention of this post.

Wouldn't you really like to have a true Doolittle Raid in a SNAPSHOT or for a Squad night OP?

 :salute

BTW, the P-39 has been enabled  from the CVs recently because. WHY?  A couple of months ago JU88's were enabled from CVs in the AvA arena. :huh

Hey, I don't have a problem with it.  :cool:

Cheers...

Those were one off missions and neither of those planes were regularly used on a CV in addition to the fact that neither of those planes were capable of landing on a CV.  They were launched from a CV but not recovered on a CV.


ack-ack
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Spikes on August 28, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
The 39 is a bug on newly-added (or un-retired) maps. Same reason B25s, Wirbels, M4's would be disabled.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: Bronk on August 28, 2008, 05:39:01 PM


Adding...
Without a headwind, forward E is what will put enough air over your wings to generate lift, and I perfer to be off the Rway asap, so, get speed up to 100 mph, nail the flaps, you'll be down the Rway less, and airborne...

well smart guy fully load a p-47  and try going off a cv without full flaps. lemme know how that goes for ya, k.
Title: Re: More plane enabled for CVs
Post by: trigger2 on August 28, 2008, 06:13:06 PM
well smart guy fully load a p-47  and try going off a cv without full flaps. lemme know how that goes for ya, k.

I am saying; YES you will end up with FLAPS, but you'll end up off the CV with a HIGHER AIRSPEED.

You're rolling down the runway with WEP, NO FLAPS, about 3/4 down the Rway, PUT DOWN THE FLAPS, you'll be going 15-20 mph FASTER than had you STARTED WITH FLAPS...

 :noid