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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on September 01, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
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In another thread you once wrote
I wouldn't vote for mccain unless a democrat would get in if I didn't vote for him.
He is the manchurian candidate in my opinion.
I think that supporting Arnie is a way for him to curry some favor with the more conservative republicans who view him like I do... Most of us view him as "allmost as bad as a full blown democrat but without the baggage they carry"[/b]
Obviously you view McCain as being too far left.
Yet the fact is,he votes along party lines 88.3 percent of the time. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
And has voted with Bush over 90% of the time.
Not that either is a bad thing.
But voting to the right 88.3 and 90+ % of the time seems to most reasonable people to be pretty right wing.
Yet you say he leans left.
If he leans left of you. And yet still votes to the right more then 3/4 of the time (actually its closer to 9/10ths of the time)
Then how does that not make you a right winger?
Face it Laz. With few subject exceptions (like I said. everyone dissageess with their lover now and again) Your about as right wing as they come.
THAT is why everyone you dissagree with looks to you to be a libral
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88% isn't that great of a team player, when you think of some of the other 12% that he was against. I would venture that Dems have a far higher % rate of party loyalty. (Whether it's due to fear of Nancy/Harry, or actual beliefs :rofl :rofl prolly is immaterial)
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Dred.. McCain's immigration reform program is what I detest about him.. last time he backed off when attacked about control of the borders FIRST, immigration 'reform' second. Next NAFTA and the North American Union issue.. both clear indicators he's owned by corporate interests.
I don't see a damn bit of difference between mccain and obama on those issues. Deal-Breakers for a vote from me if it wasn't for the re-emerging russian threat and the War in the Middle East. I'll likely be voting for a third party since my state is a throw-away democratic state anyway.. unless by some miracle it looks close in NY between the dems and republicans.. then I'll be voting against every single incumbent in this state for the cheap seats and for mccain in the presidential.
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I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.
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I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.
So... we should vote WITH the party everytime regardless of the issue? Anyone else smell a lemming...
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So... we should vote WITH the party everytime regardless of the issue? Anyone else smell a lemming...
Didn't you know, trying to actually get things done through compromising is bad?
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Give me a break this guy doesnt compromise he caves in completely and sells out the party down the line!
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Give me a break this guy doesnt compromise he caves in completely and sells out the party down the line!
I don't see how 'selling out your party' can possibly be a bad thing.
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and sells out the party down the line!
Who is this party that deserves absolute loyalty? Trust me when I say this, I am QUITE right wing. I am a devout conformist. And I see the world as being almost absolutely black and white. But there ARE shades of gray. 'Republican' is not absolute. 'Democrat' is not absolute. Neither one pays your check, defends your country, or builds your roads and freeways. They are GENERAL VIEWPOINTS.
A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?
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Who is this party that deserves absolute loyalty? Trust me when I say this, I am QUITE right wing. I am a devout conformist. And I see the world as being almost absolutely black and white. But there ARE shades of gray. 'Republican' is not absolute. 'Democrat' is not absolute. Neither one pays your check, defends your country, or builds your roads and freeways. They are GENERAL VIEWPOINTS.
A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?
Yep. yer not 'party' material. Congratulations on demonstrating you are an American instead of a lemming. Hope some more lemmings start walking upright and using their own brains every once in awhile.
:aok
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A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?
You wern't adopted were you?
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You wern't adopted were you?
Actually, I was. My birth parents were (IIRC) E-3 in the army, (Both of them) intelligence division at Kunia Tunnel. They couldn't afford a second child, so they put me up for adoption. BUT, that was THEIR choice. I'm not pro-ABORTION, I'm pro-THE-RIGHT-TO-CHOSE-FOR-YOURSELF
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I'm not unhappy with McCain because he did not vote along party lines. I'm unhappy with McCain because of HOW he voted on certain issues. He has repeatedly picked the wrong time to "reach across the aisle" :rolleyes:
What is called campaign finance reform (McCain Fiengold) is a crock.
His votes on immigration have been a joke.
His "compromise" on judicial appointments wasn't.
I could go on. And on.
That he didn't "vote Republican" is not an issue. That he voted completely against what I feel was correct IS an issue.
The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says :rolleyes: but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".
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The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says :rolleyes: but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".
Agreed. I don't think McCain will make a great president, but I REALLY don't think Obama has a chance at doing anything but causing problems. I think this will be a vote against Obama rather than for McCain
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I'm not unhappy with McCain because he did not vote along party lines. I'm unhappy with McCain because of HOW he voted on certain issues. He has repeatedly picked the wrong time to "reach across the aisle" :rolleyes:
What is called campaign finance reform (McCain Fiengold) is a crock.
His votes on immigration have been a joke.
His "compromise" on judicial appointments wasn't.
I could go on. And on.
That he didn't "vote Republican" is not an issue. That he voted completely against what I feel was correct IS an issue.
The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says :rolleyes: but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".
Damn Virg! I coulgn't have said it better myself! :rock
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It is easy to vote 88% with your party because 80% of the votes are irrelevant to anything that matters.
The more relavant % to calculate is, how many of his positions on issues are conservative (roughly Republican) or liberal (roughly Democrat). As Captain Virgil Hilts points out, many of his positions on issues are anything but conservative. In fact, he seems to have taken great glee in poking his finger in the eye of his own party on many occasions, preferring to cave in to the opposition rather than standing on "conservative" principle.
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I understand what you guys are saying but still. If you vote almost 90% of the time to one side. Its pretty safe to say your aligned with that side.
And remember he still voted WITH Bush over 90% of the time.
Now if you lean to the right. then yea. that 10-12% or so difference will make him seem liberal.
But ONLY if you already lean to the right to begin with.
And THAT is the point Im making
Course to a Liberal. McCain would still be a right winger.
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A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?
Heh,
I've been saying the exact same things. But Laz says Im a liberal. :rolleyes:
Guess that makes you one too LMAO
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Heh,
I've been saying the exact same things. But Laz says Im a liberal. :rolleyes:
Guess that makes you one too LMAO
Not everyone is following a set of rules chiseled in stone, issued as to party dogma. Many of us here see things alike on some subjects, and not alike on others. Most everybody here on the board is Anti-gun control; But, for example, not everyone thinks' that invading Iraq was a good idea. Many of us are opposed to taxes, but differ on our opinions as to how many, or what kind of Social programs we should have. Oh, you can look at the current ideals that many or most party types have, and adopt them as your own, but...You strip away some of your individuality in the process.
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Dred.. McCain's immigration reform program is what I detest about him.. last time he backed off when attacked about control of the borders FIRST, immigration 'reform' second. Next NAFTA and the North American Union issue.. both clear indicators he's owned by corporate interests.
not just him dude
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dred.. what is the question? I think you are under the mistaken impression that I support republican views in any way other than them being the lesser of two evils.
I have said over and over that they are the lesser of two evils.. that democrats are running toward socialism while republicans are walking and dragging their feet a little.
Socialism is my enemy at the present because it is the biggest threat.. I am against all big government tho.. I would vote libertarian if they had a prayer.
I support individual rights. I support the second amendment and I would like to end the war on drugs.. which is more important? the second amendment. if I choose between two parties.. one supports the second but has a war on drugs and the other wants to destroy the second and wants to let some idiots smoke a little pot under their supervision...
I am gonna vote for the former every time.
Pick an issue. To me.. Vouchers are very important if we can't get rid of tax payer supported schools it is the least we can do.. no democrat will ever support that.
I would say that I am in agreement with the republicans about 50% of the time and the democrats about 10% or less of the time. The democrats are pandering metrosexual socialists and they are the biggest threat to me.
I vote republican most all the time because the democrats give me no choice.
lazs
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It's the lesser of two evils...........again. On the bright side McCain seems (we hope) to be coming around. He certainly picked a conservative VP. I think before it's all over McCain and Palin will make NoBama and NoBiden look like sissies. I think they need cowboy hats though.
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dred.. what is the question? I think you are under the mistaken impression that I support republican views in any way other than them being the lesser of two evils.
I have said over and over that they are the lesser of two evils.. that democrats are running toward socialism while republicans are walking and dragging their feet a little.
Socialism is my enemy at the present because it is the biggest threat.. I am against all big government tho.. I would vote libertarian if they had a prayer.
I support individual rights. I support the second amendment and I would like to end the war on drugs.. which is more important? the second amendment. if I choose between two parties.. one supports the second but has a war on drugs and the other wants to destroy the second and wants to let some idiots smoke a little pot under their supervision...
I am gonna vote for the former every time.
Pick an issue. To me.. Vouchers are very important if we can't get rid of tax payer supported schools it is the least we can do.. no democrat will ever support that.
I would say that I am in agreement with the republicans about 50% of the time and the democrats about 10% or less of the time. The democrats are pandering metrosexual socialists and they are the biggest threat to me.
I vote republican most all the time because the democrats give me no choice.
lazs
lol - what the H is a --pandering metrosexual socialists ?
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I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.
I think of Chalenge as a man who's never spent more than 20 seconds reading about Benedict Arnold.
You are right in your inference of McCain. You are wrong in how you use "Benedict Arnold."
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Lieberman fell off the Dem reservation on only ONE issue--the war , and they kicked him aside, even financed his opponent in the primaries. I don't want to hear about how we need (WE, apparently, always being conservatives) need to cross party lines
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Lieberman fell off the Dem reservation on only ONE issue--the war , and they kicked him aside, even financed his opponent in the primaries. I don't want to hear about how we need (WE, apparently, always being conservatives) need to cross party lines
Perhaps because if we never made any compromises, we would get nowhere in life and would simply waste all of our money arguing over a mold we ourselves made around absolutely nothing. C'mon, even a two-year-old will compromise sometime.
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Perhaps because if we never made any compromises, we would get nowhere in life and would simply waste all of our money arguing over a mold we ourselves made around absolutely nothing. C'mon, even a two-year-old will compromise sometime.
We would be so lucky if the legislators never again accomplished anything. That they just remained stagnant, always arguing about what we have and doing nothing else.
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everyone seems to forget that just 4 and 8 years ago McCain was the person that dems. would vote for if they had too vote republican???? :O isn't that crazy?
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As I said.. I vote for the lesser of two evils.. anyone who can't see that this country is divided between the blue state metrosexual socialist coast dwellers and the rest of the country is not looking.. we can't be "brought together" and shouldn't... because socialism will never let up.. it will never let me or you alone until it controls every aspect of your life.
If you ever vote for a democrat... at least in the last few decades.. you are the enemy. you simply are furthering their ultimate cause of more socialism. the enemy is socialism and the democrats are their party.
There is no reasoning with them and there is no compromise that is not a slippery slope with them. In my opinion I should be able to consider anyone who votes for a democrat as someone who is personally attacking me.
lazs