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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyRock on September 03, 2008, 08:12:10 AM
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government to tell them what to do? I think thats what I hear from republicans. What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school.
This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:
According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09. Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.
So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist.
the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:
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you don't have to get permission to take her to the dentist, you have to get permission to take her out of school.
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I would contrast that with the liberal socialist democrat rules that say that they can take your daughter to an abortion clinic without your permission and without ever even telling you.
I would want the principal.. or someone.. to check out anyone who came to the school and said that they were "dad" and were checking their "daughter" out of school I would think tho.
lazs
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why are you confusing the boy with facts?
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just talking about this law, lazs, what do you think about it?
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what didn't you understand?
I want whoever is in charge to make damn sure that the guy he turns my daughter over to is who he says he is.
I also do not want the school to decide if my underage daughter gets a medical procedure... a possibly life threatening and life changing surgical one.... without my permission much less without ever telling me.
sooo.. back at you.. how do you feel about those two things?
lazs
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I think he understood that you never answered his question, but answered your own instead.
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At my job I require my people to give prior notice and doctors excuse in order for an absence to be excused unless it's an emergency. The problem as I see it is a reflection on a society where the vast majority are so unconscious of everyone around them that such a law would have to be drawn up in the first place. This should be a no-brainer. If little Sunshine needs to go to the dentist, you give the school prior notice and send a doctor's excuse when she returns. There shouldn't need to be a law because YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT ALREADY. It's called consideration of others.
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I want whoever is in charge to make damn sure that the guy he turns my daughter over to is who he says he is.
I also do not want the school to decide if my underage daughter gets a medical procedure... a possibly life threatening and life changing surgical one.... without my permission much less without ever telling me.
lazs
The school can verify that I am the father without me having to get prior approval from the principal to make an appointment for my daughter.
As far as your second point....I agree...but the law in question said nothing about that.
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Back in the Age of Dinosaurs when I was a kid attending a Catholic school this was all standard procedure. You had to give the nun a note a least a day in advance when you were going to be out of class for some reason. When you returned you had to have a note from the place you went saying you went and did what you said you were going to do.
Sounds like back to the future to me.
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just talking about this law, lazs, what do you think about it?
you don't have to get permission to take her to the dentist, you have to get permission to take her out of school.
...and, I highly doubt any principal would deny a parent permission to take the kid out of school for any reason. I'm speculating that there was a real problem down there that generated the need for this new legislation, not sure what it was, but its evident that this new law was needed. I don't think we're getting the whole story from Skyrock, as to make his partisan snip about the right.
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A non-thing thing. Take the kid to where the kid needs to be. Who cares what the school says. Grade school or high school at that.
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According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09. Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.
Focus Laz, read that again slowly. The point is, a Parent has to get permission from the Principal to take his child to the doctor.
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but its evident that this new law was needed.
This thread is ridiculous. A parent should be able to take their kid out of school without notice, and for whatever reason they wish.
All you so-called conservatives or libertarians are just taking the opposite side here because it's skyrock who made the original post.
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There shouldn't need to be a law because YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT ALREADY. It's called consideration of others.
Putting the group above the individual? Liberal. :aok
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That's a stupid thing to do on the part of that State. Would be interesting to see if there's a contrast with their requirements on parental consent for abortions.
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I'd be interested in hearing if they enforce that law, SkyRock. And if they do [or even if they don't enforce that law, actually], why are outraged parents not pushing to get that changed? Or are there even any outraged parents [other than you]
Boy, that's one ridiculous law.
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...The point is, a Parent has to get permission from the Principal to take his child to the doctor.
Only if the child is expected to attend school the day of the appointment.
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ok.. so I guess if I found out that the principal had the right to refuse to allow me to take my daughter out of school... then I would be ticked. it would be a bad law.
I can see a number of reasons why they would want prior approval.. none of which would mean that they had the right to refuse approval.. only that they wanted to know in advance so that they could do whatever paperwork or checking out the legitimacy of the "parent" was needed.
I would also say that if I forgot to get approval and I went their and showed ID and they refused to let my daughter out.. there would be trouble.
In that case.. if there is no mechanism for getting your own kid out of school.. after proving who you are... then the law is wrong.
It does seem odd that a republican would come up with this one since almost all rules that give the schools power over parents are made by democrats tho.
lazs
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This thread is ridiculous. A parent should be able to take their kid out of school without notice, and for whatever reason they wish.
All you so-called conservatives or libertarians are just taking the opposite side here because it's skyrock who made the original post.
According to the original post you can take your kid out for any reason at all. However, if you want the absence to be excused, you have to give prior notice and bring a note from the doctor/dentist.
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*elfie is right.
"Excused" in this instance isn't being used in the same manner that you're excused from the table [i.e.leaving], but instead as "approved reason having been annotated for absence."
Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.
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...and, I highly doubt any principal would deny a parent permission to take the kid out of school for any reason. I'm speculating that there was a real problem down there that generated the need for this new legislation, not sure what it was, but its evident that this new law was needed. I don't think we're getting the whole story from Skyrock, as to make his partisan snip about the right.
I'm thinking of cases of "bitter divorce" ... where one parent who has been refused visitation rights, sauntering into the school, proving that they are indeed the parent of little Billy, and Billy needs to go to a dentist appointment ... and "kidnaps" Billy.
I hardly doubt that any principle would ever say NO to a scheduled Dr/DDS appointment ... it just gives them a buffer to stop these types of abductions.
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government to tell them what to do? I think thats what I hear from republicans. What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school.
This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:
According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09. Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.
So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist.
the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:
I think the more important question here is; They have dental in Mississippi?? :rofl :aok
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*elfie is right.
Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.
I would think a simple note from the doctor or documentation proving you had been to the doctor would be sufficient to obtain an excused absence.
Otoh, Slapshot has a valid point about divorced parents kidnapping children they no longer have custody over.
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This thread is ridiculous. A parent should be able to take their kid out of school without notice, and for whatever reason they wish.
All you so-called conservatives or libertarians are just taking the opposite side here because it's skyrock who made the original post.
Pretty much what it comes down two.. Soon as it's their guys doing the dirty deeds their aditude suddenly changes. Rule number 144 in the Republican handbook.
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*elfie is right.
"Excused" in this instance isn't being used in the same manner that you're excused from the table [i.e.leaving], but instead as "approved reason having been annotated for absence."
Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.
You're right.
When I was a kid, my Dad used to take me skiing on school days now and then. They tried to give me Saturday school so many times, even if I faked sick to make the absence "excused." There's one and only one motivation for these kinds of laws: attendance=money.
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Nothing in the law says that they can not take the child out of school for an appointment. It just says it has to be approved to an approved absence.
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what didn't you understand?
I want whoever is in charge to make damn sure that the guy he turns my daughter over to is who he says he is.
I also do not want the school to decide if my underage daughter gets a medical procedure... a possibly life threatening and life changing surgical one.... without my permission much less without ever telling me.
sooo.. back at you.. how do you feel about those two things?
lazs
My question to you is, do you think that you should need the principals approval for taking your daughter to the dentist?
as to your statements here, noone but who I say can check my daughter out from school. Every year I register her and put down who is allowed to check her out, and she will not be relaesed to anyone other than who's on that list.
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government to tell them what to do? I think thats what I hear from republicans. What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school.
This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:
According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09. Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.
So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist.
the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:
The law has been on the books since 1972 and was only recently acted upon since it inadvertently came up in an audit.
Were Republicans in control back in 1972?
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I don't think we're getting the whole story from Skyrock,
http://www.desotocountyschools.org
its in the middle of the page and printed in red
http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/37/013/0091.htm
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According to the original post you can take your kid out for any reason at all. However, if you want the absence to be excused, you have to give prior notice and bring a note from the doctor/dentist.
and it has to be approved by the pricipal to be excused. So, if your doctor/dentist is a busy one, like mine are, then you might have to set the appointment during school hours, at which time one would be subject to the approval of the principal for an excuse.
Since when did we need a law that allows school districts the right to determine whether our childs medical/dental needs were important enough for their absence to be excused?
Just so you know where I'm coming from, I do not like NCLB, it has virtually paralyzed schools with threats of no funding. It has created countless laws giving local officials power over our children as it relates to school.
Also, this year in my kids school district, they enacted a requirment that to prove residency one needs:
1. mortgage statement or title to property
2. most recent electric bill
3. vehicle tag registration
Now the 3rd one is new here, and I believe falls into the same category as my original post. Because of NCLB, the local government will have more and more control over anyone who has a chiild in school.
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I hardly doubt that any principle would ever say NO to a scheduled Dr/DDS appointment ...
but......this law gives them that right.
slap, I had full custody of my kids for 3 years, all one has to do is show custody agreement to the school and the non-custodial parent cannot take the child from school.
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There's one and only one motivation for these kinds of laws: attendance=money.
Exactly.
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My question to you is, do you think that you should need the principals approval for taking your daughter to the dentist?
You can take the child to the dentist, you don't need the principals approval for that. In fact, I'm not seeing where you need the principals approval at all, the law is just stating that you need to give prior notice and bring a note from the dentist proving that you did in fact take the child to the dentist.
I think it's a bit over the top to require both. Imo, just the copies of the paperwork you get from the doctor/dentist should be enough to provide for an excused absence.
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You can take the child to the dentist, you don't need the principals approval for that. In fact, I'm not seeing where you need the principals approval at all, the law is just stating that you need to give prior notice and bring a note from the dentist proving that you did in fact take the child to the dentist.
I think it's a bit over the top to require both. Imo, just the copies of the paperwork you get from the doctor/dentist should be enough to provide for an excused absence.
My telling the Principal that my child is not going to be there should be enough to provide for an excused absence.
shamus
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I think it's a bit over the top to require both. Imo, just the copies of the paperwork you get from the doctor/dentist should be enough to provide for an excused absence.
Exactly, I do not need a principal to tell me ahead of time, that my daughters dentist appointment will not be excused because of any reason. If I take my daughter out of school to go to the dentist, and we actually got to the dentist, then it should be excused no questions asked. I do not need some blow hard principal to "determine" whether my dentist appointment is "worhty" of and excused absence. Because of this new law, a parent is subject to jail time if too many "un-excused" absences are incurred.
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My telling the Principal that my child is not going to be there should be enough to provide for an excused absence.
shamus
yup, I agree, but because of this law, the pricipal will decide if you are trustworthy enough to get an excused absence for your child.
I just started this thread to rattle the cages of the repubs on this board and ask them if this is the type of law they support.
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What does NCLB have to do with this?
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I just started this thread to rattle the cages of the repubs on this board and ask them if this is the type of law they support.
And they are furiously Googleing at this very moment searching for dem induced laws along the same lines because that is a logical defense :rolleyes:
shamus
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What does NCLB have to do with this?
:huh
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You people DO realize that as soon as you enrole your child into school you have signed over custody of your child to the school during school hours? That's right boys and girls, the school has as much legal authority over your children as you do while in class.
You as a parent not only expect, but DEMAND, that the school protect, teach, and take care of your child while in their care do you not? Then why is it so hard to wrap your brains around the fact the the school also has the right to expect and DEMAND that you as a parent give prior notification when you know in advance that child will not be in class? When a chid doesn't show up to school, they spend hours trying to track down that child, contact the parents, and find out what is going on. Is it too much to ask that a parent inform the school in advance if the child will be absent? Evidently it has become that way so they had to make it a law.
Why do you think that is? Because of ultra melon parents that think they are the end all say all when it comes to their child, when in FACT they aren't once that child is enrolled in school. That's why teachers and school officials are required by law to report cases and suspected cases of child neglect. They ARE responsible for your children just as much as you are.
It's sad that parents in this country have gotten to the point a law like this needs to be in place but it makes 100% sense because if little Johnny wasn't in class and got hurt the parents would be suing the crap out of the school for NOT knowing where little Johnny was when he got hurt, so now little Johnny is required to have prior permission to be out of class and it's the parents responsiblity to provide that prior notice.
If anyone here thinks that you shouldn't have to give that notice, home school your kids and then you don't have to worry about it. If that's not an option, then take some freaking personal responsiblity to inform the people that YOU have entrusted with your childs care during the day if you need to take them out of school prior to doing it.
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:huh
Seriously.
The law has been on the books since 1972 (that was before NCLB) and Desoto county decided to act on it this school year becasue it was noted on an audit.
So, what does this have to do with NCLB?
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You people DO realize that as soon as you enrole your child into school you have signed over custody of your child to the school during school hours? That's right boys and girls, the school has as much legal authority over your children as you do while in class.
You as a parent not only expect, but DEMAND, that the school protect, teach, and take care of your child while in their care do you not? Then why is it so hard to wrap your brains around the fact the the school also has the right to expect and DEMAND that you as a parent give prior notification when you know in advance that child will not be in class? When a chid doesn't show up to school, they spend hours trying to track down that child, contact the parents, and find out what is going on. Is it too much to ask that a parent inform the school in advance if the child will be absent? Evidently it has become that way so they had to make it a law.
Why do you think that is? Because of ultra melon parents that think they are the end all say all when it comes to their child, when in FACT they aren't once that child is enrolled in school. That's why teachers and school officials are required by law to report cases and suspected cases of child neglect. They ARE responsible for your children just as much as you are.
It's sad that parents in this country have gotten to the point a law like this needs to be in place but it makes 100% sense because if little Johnny wasn't in class and got hurt the parents would be suing the crap out of the school for NOT knowing where little Johnny was when he got hurt, so now little Johnny is required to have prior permission to be out of class and it's the parents responsiblity to provide that prior notice.
If anyone here thinks that you shouldn't have to give that notice, home school your kids and then you don't have to worry about it. If that's not an option, then take some freaking personal responsiblity to inform the people that YOU have entrusted with your childs care during the day if you need to take them out of school prior to doing it.
On the morning of the day in question, "ring, ring, ring, hello Principals office...good morning this is shamus, shamus Jr. will not be in school today he has a dentists appointment".
Should be the end of it.
shamus
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yup, I agree, but because of this law, the pricipal will decide if you are trustworthy enough to get an excused absence for your child.
I just started this thread to rattle the cages of the repubs on this board and ask them if this is the type of law they support.
I know of plenty of irresponsible parents that are definitely untrustworthy...
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This is getting rather odd, some of you conservative types seem to agree with the "it takes a village" stuff.
shamus
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On the morning of the day in question, "ring, ring, ring, hello Principals office...good morning this is shamus, shamus Jr. will not be in school today he has a dentists appointment".
Should be the end of it.
shamus
I agree, that should be sufficient.
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On the morning of the day in question, "ring, ring, ring, hello Principals office...good morning this is shamus, shamus Jr. will not be in school today he has a dentists appointment".
Should be the end of it.
shamus
But what about shamus jr's homework for that day? Wow guess what? He's going to be a day behind now because you didn't let the school know in advance, you know when the teachers would have been informed and could have gotten shamus jr's work for the day he was going to be absent prepared for him so he wouldn't fall behind.
There is a LOGICAL reason they want to know in advance, and that one right there is the biggest one. How about if he had a test that day? Well he misses the test, talks to his buddies that night and gets the answers, and cheats on the makeup, IF the teacher allows him a make up test. BUT if the teacher knows in advance they can make a seperate test for shamus jr. or maybe have him take it a day early, whatever. It provides the school needed time to ensure your child doesn't fall behind, and if shamus jr does fall behind who are you going to blame? Not yourself, your going to blame the school for your own screwup that could have easily been prevented by picking up the phone a day or two in advance.
By you picking up the phone the day shamus jr isn't going to be there and having the attitude of "that should be the end of it" you have in FACT caused a bunch of other people a bunch of problems of having to figure out how to keep little shamus jr on track and up to spead with everyone else in his class. Doing what you suggest actually hurts your kids own education and YOU are defeating the entire purpose of sending your child to school.
Bet you never thought of it that way huh?
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But what about shamus jr's homework for that day? Wow guess what? He's going to be a day behind now because you didn't let the school know in advance, you know when the teachers would have been informed and could have gotten shamus jr's work for the day he was going to be absent prepared for him so he wouldn't fall behind.
There is a LOGICAL reason they want to know in advance, and that one right there is the biggest one. How about if he had a test that day? Well he misses the test, talks to his buddies that night and gets the answers, and cheats on the makeup, IF the teacher allows him a make up test. BUT if the teacher knows in advance they can make a seperate test for shamus jr. or maybe have him take it a day early, whatever. It provides the school needed time to ensure your child doesn't fall behind, and if shamus jr does fall behind who are you going to blame? Not yourself, your going to blame the school for your own screwup that could have easily been prevented by picking up the phone a day or two in advance.
By you picking up the phone the day shamus jr isn't going to be there and having the attitude of "that should be the end of it" you have in FACT caused a bunch of other people a bunch of problems of having to figure out how to keep little shamus jr on track and up to spead with everyone else in his class. Doing what you suggest actually hurts your kids own education and YOU are defeating the entire purpose of sending your child to school.
Bet you never thought of it that way huh?
I don't think that the trauma that I caused that bunch of people should be too hard for them to overcome if they put their minds to it.
I think shamus Jr. can overcome missing a day here and there and a thinking parent would probably ask shamus Jr. if he had a test on that day before making the apointment, the operative word here is "thinking"
shamus
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I don't think that the trauma that I caused that bunch of people should be too hard for them to overcome if they put their minds to it.
I think shamus Jr. can overcome missing a day here and there and a thinking parent would probably ask shamus Jr. if he had a test on that day before making the apointment, the operative word here is "thinking"
shamus
So it's OK for YOU to inconvenience all his teachers because you don't think you should have to be inconvenienced by calling a day or two in advance?
Hmmm, pick up the phone, talk for a couple of minutes and everyone is on the same page, OR wait until the day you've known he was going to be out of school, call and make everyone jump through a bunch of hoops trying to figure out how to keep him up to speed.
Yeah that's "thinking" :noid
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Seriously.
The law has been on the books since 1972 (that was before NCLB) and Desoto county decided to act on it this school year becasue it was noted on an audit.
So, what does this have to do with NCLB?
Attendance is an indicator to making AYP of the NCLB.
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Attencance is an indicator to making AYP of the NCLB.
"Attencance"? You must have missed a lot of school. :lol
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So it's OK for YOU to inconvenience all his teachers because you don't think you should have to be inconvenienced by calling a day or two in advance?
Hmmm, pick up the phone, talk for a couple of minutes and everyone is on the same page, OR wait until the day you've known he was going to be out of school, call and make everyone jump through a bunch of hoops trying to figure out how to keep him up to speed.
Yeah that's "thinking" :noid
You are missing the point. The point is that this law allows an adminstrator to deny a student an excused absence, based soley on their opinion, if the reason was important enough to warrant an excused absence. In this case it specifically points out doctors and dentists appointments.
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This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:
since when is Mississippi a bastion of conservative principles? I always thought the mud state was pure example government generational welfare run amok....one of the poorest states in the union, and democrat.
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School policy: fine.
State Law: School policy should cover it, law is overkill.
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since when is Mississippi a bastion of conservative principles? I always thought the mud state was pure example government generational welfare run amok....one of the poorest states in the union, and democrat.
:huh
Mississippi has been red for a long time now. The churches run government down here, and of course the good ole boy politics.
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Attendance is an indicator to making AYP of the NCLB.
Ok, if that's the case the State of Mississsippi came up with this law in 1972...Desoto county decided to start enforcing it this school year....NCLB did not dictate this law, your State defined what attendance is.
So, the Republicans and NCLB had nothing to do with this 36 year old law that one county in your state decided to start enforcing.
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You are missing the point. The point is that this law allows an adminstrator to deny a student an excused absence, based soley on their opinion, if the reason was important enough to warrant an excused absence. In this case it specifically points out doctors and dentists appointments.
No I'm not. If Shaniquas mom wants to pull her out of school for an appointment to get her nails done, the priciple has every reason to deny it, and call it an unexcused absense. If she going to the dentists to get her yearly check up and teeth cleaned, it's an excused absense and everything is good as long as mom calls in advance and lets the school know.
And I didn't pull my excample out of my butt. My girlfriend is a teacher and had this situation come up last year and guess what....mom was pissed because Karen (my girlfriend) didn't give her an excussed absence, gave her a zero on her homework she missed and didn't let her make that homework up. To hear Karen tell it, moms reasoning was "My baby girl gots to look good and if she be needin her nails done then you's best excuse da absence so she can be gettin her nails done!!" Karnes and her principles response was "Don't think so."
That is what this law is trying to prevent. The kids are supposed to be in school. The schools have a legal obligation to make sure those kids are in school if enrolled, and too many parents let their kids walk all over them and the parents are contributing to the less than stellar education of their own kids. If you don't like the law you have an option. Home school your own kids. If your going to enroll your kids in school though that means you as a parent HAVE to follow the rules as well i.e. be held responsible, but damn people really hate that one.
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wait a minute...
Are we talking about EXCUSED absence? the parent can take the kid out on any old whim or mistake of judgement or simple brain fart but... if he wants to get the thing excused... he either has to have prior approval or come up with some documentation?
This is a real non issue. If you want to take the kid fishing on a whim then do it. don't be upset tho when they don't excuse it. If you just forgot the dentist.. what is the big deal? the dentist will write a note.
I am starting to understand it now.. the schools get money for every day they have your kid.. any absence is money out of their pocket.. they want to make it unatractive for parents to take their kids out of school on a whim.
In any case.. it is just one more reason for vouchers and a voucher system. You don't like your schools policies? vote with your pocketbook.. enroll the kid in another school.
I would love to see public schools shut down or have to compete.
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At my job I require my people to give prior notice and doctors excuse in order for an absence to be excused unless it's an emergency. The problem as I see it is a reflection on a society where the vast majority are so unconscious of everyone around them that such a law would have to be drawn up in the first place. This should be a no-brainer. If little Sunshine needs to go to the dentist, you give the school prior notice and send a doctor's excuse when she returns. There shouldn't need to be a law because YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT ALREADY. It's called consideration of others.
I'd sure as hell not work for you... If I call up and tell yah I'm not coming in, that's ALL you need to know.
When did the workforce become your property?
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So Laz, you think it's ok that you telling them why your child is leaving school isn't valid enough that you have to provide evidence. Nanny state?
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So it's OK for YOU to inconvenience all his teachers because you don't think you should have to be inconvenienced by calling a day or two in advance?
Hmmm, pick up the phone, talk for a couple of minutes and everyone is on the same page, OR wait until the day you've known he was going to be out of school, call and make everyone jump through a bunch of hoops trying to figure out how to keep him up to speed.
Yeah that's "thinking" :noid
What? Inconvenienced? Yer kidding, right?
My kids are mine.. not the schools. I wanna take 'em out to go fishin', shootin, to a doctors office or a ball game, I'd love to see 'em try and stop me. Not only did I sign my kid out when I wanted, I've never even offered an explanation as to why.. and when asked they got 'none of your business'.
Gawdamned commie socialist nanny metrosexual pinheads...... messin with everything!
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What? Inconvenienced? Yer kidding, right?
My kids are mine.. not the schools. I wanna take 'em out to go fishin', shootin, to a doctors office or a ball game, I'd love to see 'em try and stop me. Not only did I sign my kid out when I wanted, I've never even offered an explanation as to why.. and when asked they got 'none of your business'.
Gawdamned commie socialist nanny metrosexual pinheads...... messin with everything!
No one has said you can't do it, but the law says the school doesn't have to give your kid an excussed absence unless you provide a legitimate reason and prior notification. Taking them out on a whim to go fishing is only hurting their grades and it would be your fault, not the schools. That's the entire point.
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mojava.. where did I say that a parent couldn't/shouldn't take his kid out for any reason he wanted?
He just can't get it EXCUSED unless it is a good reason. not in a school that other people are paying to have his kid go to that is....
I hate public schools and taxes but... us.. each and everyone of us is paying for the little twit to go. The reason being, presumably, that he will get a good education and be an asset and worth all the damn money that us.. not you.. not the parent.. all of us.. are spending on him.. it is our money not the parents.
He can still take the little brat out. He just won't get it excused.. if his kid gets enough unexcused aabseces.. then he won't graduate..
Now.. in my case.. I put my grand daughter in catholic school... I can damn well take her out any time I want for any reason I want or.. no frigging reason at all.. I am the one paying the bills and if she has to repeat a year then so be it.. it is my money.
If you can't see the difference then I don't know how to explain it to you any better.
If you want the state to be your mommy then quit acting all upset when it treats you like it is... your mommy.
VOUCHERS. HOME SCHOOLING. PAY FOR IT YOURSELF YA LEECH.
Those are the options or.. play by whatever nanny rules come down the pike that the people who are paying your bills for you decide you should play by.
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No I'm not. If Shaniquas mom wants to pull her out of school for an appointment to get her nails done, the priciple has every reason to deny it, and call it an unexcused absense. If she going to the dentists to get her yearly check up and teeth cleaned, it's an excused absense and everything is good as long as mom calls in advance and lets the school know.
And I didn't pull my excample out of my butt. My girlfriend is a teacher and had this situation come up last year and guess what....mom was pissed because Karen (my girlfriend) didn't give her an excussed absence, gave her a zero on her homework she missed and didn't let her make that homework up. To hear Karen tell it, moms reasoning was "My baby girl gots to look good and if she be needin her nails done then you's best excuse da absence so she can be gettin her nails done!!" Karnes and her principles response was "Don't think so."
That is what this law is trying to prevent. The kids are supposed to be in school. The schools have a legal obligation to make sure those kids are in school if enrolled, and too many parents let their kids walk all over them and the parents are contributing to the less than stellar education of their own kids. If you don't like the law you have an option. Home school your own kids. If your going to enroll your kids in school though that means you as a parent HAVE to follow the rules as well i.e. be held responsible, but damn people really hate that one.
If I take my kid to the dentist, and I tell them in advance, with this law, she can just plainly decide not to give my child and excused absence.
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wait a minute...
Are we talking about EXCUSED absence? the parent can take the kid out on any old whim or mistake of judgement or simple brain fart but... if he wants to get the thing excused... he either has to have prior approval or come up with some documentation?
This is a real non issue. If you want to take the kid fishing on a whim then do it. don't be upset tho when they don't excuse it. If you just forgot the dentist.. what is the big deal? the dentist will write a note.
I am starting to understand it now.. the schools get money for every day they have your kid.. any absence is money out of their pocket.. they want to make it unatractive for parents to take their kids out of school on a whim.
In any case.. it is just one more reason for vouchers and a voucher system. You don't like your schools policies? vote with your pocketbook.. enroll the kid in another school.
I would love to see public schools shut down or have to compete.
the problem with this little gem is the fact that if the principal denies you excused absences on doctor and dentist visits it could land you in court, or jail.
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just to add some pepper to the stew, this year they also added tag registrations to the mortgage and electric bill that is required to get your child in school. If you don't own a car, you have to go before a hearing. :aok
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just to add some pepper to the stew, this year they also added tag registrations to the mortgage and electric bill that is required to get your child in school. If you don't own a car, you have to go before a hearing. :aok
And you don't understand why they are doing that ?
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just to add some pepper to the stew, this year they also added tag registrations to the mortgage and electric bill that is required to get your child in school. If you don't own a car, you have to go before a hearing. :aok
That's a DeSoto county school board policy...once again what does this have to do with Republicans and NCLB?
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And you don't understand why they are doing that ?
If you do not have a car, you should not be forced to go before the court and explain yourself just so you kid can go to school.
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That's a DeSoto county school board policy...once again what does this have to do with Republicans and NCLB?
Desoto county is Red, bro, bigtime. :aok
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Desoto county is Red, bro, bigtime. :aok
That local gov.....still a strech to blame all of this on NCLB. :aok
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government to tell them what to do? I think thats what I hear from republicans. What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school.
This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:
According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09. Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.
So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist.
the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:
Hmm I would like to see that it was the republicans that worked to pass that one and id like to see the vote record in the State house Senate.
Sound like a liberal deal to me.
Anyone that buys into the state teaching your kids is a product of the re-education dept anyway.
Do it yourself.
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the problem with this little gem is the fact that if the principal denies you excused absences on doctor and dentist visits it could land you in court, or jail.
Man I hope that happens to you and I get to sit on the jury, because the principle would have his butt in a sling. Do you HONESTLY believe that a principle is going to tell a parent "No, you may not take little Sally out of school to go see the dentist and have the absense excussed." Dude one phone call to the school board and that priciple is looking for a new job and that's as far as it would end up going and you know it.
I do however believe that principle would be right to tell a parent, "Sorry but if your taking little Sally out of school because it's the opening day of fishing season and she just really wants to go, well that will be counted as an unexcussed absense and will reflect poorly on her transcript, but that's up to you."
Understand that laws are for the most part based on what most reasonable people think is right. Bad laws get over turned and tossed, good laws stay around longer. Seeing as this law is over 30 years old, must be some solid reasoning behind it.
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just to add some pepper to the stew, this year they also added tag registrations to the mortgage and electric bill that is required to get your child in school. If you don't own a car, you have to go before a hearing. :aok
Remember you vaccination records Sky :lol
The most precious things you have been intrusted are you childred. Home school them.
Problem solved.
I feel bad for you guys that would let you kids be brainwashed in a reeducation camp. Not to mention all the liberal junk that gets rammed into their brains. The choice is yours you turned them over to the State what do you expect.
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This thread is frigg'n hilarious. WTG skyrock. :rock
Common sense and the rights of the individual: 1 :aok
Partisan Republican ideologues: 0 :cry
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That local gov.....still a strech to blame all of this on NCLB. :aok
Do you teach? If you did, you would completely understand why it is NCLB. Before NCLB, we taught kids with the intention of teaching them how to learn, now, many are forced to teach for standardized test scores. Money is the all central issue for every school now, and test scores(at all costs) along with attendance(at all costs) are the money winners. Everything changed and not all for the better. :aok
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Do you teach? If you did, you would completely understand why it is NCLB. Before NCLB, we taught kids with the intention of teaching them how to learn, now, many are forced to teach for standardized test scores. Money is the all central issue for every school now, and test scores(at all costs) along with attendance(at all costs) are the money winners. Everything changed and not all for the better. :aok
Seen that in play ~ the money portion of it. You're right. It's not a pretty sight.
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Do you teach? If you did, you would completely understand why it is NCLB. Before NCLB, we taught kids with the intention of teaching them how to learn, now, many are forced to teach for standardized test scores. Money is the all central issue for every school now, and test scores(at all costs) along with attendance(at all costs) are the money winners. Everything changed and not all for the better. :aok
SkyRock's right. It's all about the $Green$ with public schools now. I believe what he's saying about test scores and attendance also applies to school lunch programs, with federal subsidies indexed to how many kids a school can sign-up for the program.
SkyRock, is private school an option? I pay a sh*tload in school taxes (educating tomorrow's felons :mad:) , but my daughter is in private school.
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Do you teach? If you did, you would completely understand why it is NCLB. Before NCLB, we taught kids with the intention of teaching them how to learn, now, many are forced to teach for standardized test scores. Money is the all central issue for every school now, and test scores(at all costs) along with attendance(at all costs) are the money winners. Everything changed and not all for the better. :aok
Before NCLB, what determined who got how much money?
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Do you teach? If you did, you would completely understand why it is NCLB. Before NCLB, we taught kids with the intention of teaching them how to learn, now, many are forced to teach for standardized test scores. Money is the all central issue for every school now, and test scores(at all costs) along with attendance(at all costs) are the money winners. Everything changed and not all for the better. :aok
NCLB are federal guidelines. The state had to overreact and adopt dumb legislation to meet those guidelines.
NCLB is a dumb idea by itself. YOU guys need to use your brains and look past the content to the context.
YOU are the ones with the power. You lost that when you gave you kiddos over to a state school. "Follow the money, corruption, the GOP," are only rabbit trails, you cant fix bent. We need to start over. Unless you can get a good Private school. Check out home schooling. We have way more options than ever before. The more the State or Fed runs it you will be left with fewer choices
To answer the original question directly of course it is a Republican NCLB screw up that leaves the state fewer choices because they have to comply with generalizations. It in turn leaves the parent with NO choices.
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to school lunch programs, with federal subsidies indexed to how many kids a school can sign-up for the program.
Title1, and yes its a big fish, unfortunately its a beached whale. I teach at a Title1 school under a very hard working, multiple doctorate, female. She believes in educating all the children and therefore, holds hope for the goals of NCLB, just as I do. She can't voice her disdain for NCLB and since it's about money, many feel that maybe just being quiet and hopeful is the bast way. It's like the Mafia took over or something.
You would not believe how the quality of food has dropped. Quality control on how food is prepared, amount of servings, and lack of seasonings due to FDA pressures are just mind boggling. Butter is outlawed, salt is unavailable, and mayonaise is "light" only(if you want to call that mayonaise). At my school, all kids eat free or reduced by 60%, all of them. Free breakfast for all children in the morning. The only thing I like at my school is the broccli and cheese because they use real cheese. Anyway, I am rambling, sorry.
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You would not believe how the quality of food has dropped. Quality control on how food is prepared, amount of servings, and lack of seasonings due to FDA pressures are just mind boggling. Butter is outlawed, salt is unavailable, and mayonaise is "light" only(if you want to call that mayonaise). At my school, all kids eat free or reduced by 60%, all of them. Free breakfast for all children in the morning.
This, my friends, is what national health care will look like.
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you don't have to get permission to take her to the dentist, you have to get permission to take her out of school.
heh, When it comes to my kids I do not seek anyones permission for anything.
Nor will I.
I'll tell them why I am taking the kid out out of courtesy.
But Im not asking their permission.
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ok.. so I guess if I found out that the principal had the right to refuse to allow me to take my daughter out of school... then I would be ticked. it would be a bad law.
I can see a number of reasons why they would want prior approval.. none of which would mean that they had the right to refuse approval.. only that they wanted to know in advance so that they could do whatever paperwork or checking out the legitimacy of the "parent" was needed.
I would also say that if I forgot to get approval and I went their and showed ID and they refused to let my daughter out.. there would be trouble.
In that case.. if there is no mechanism for getting your own kid out of school.. after proving who you are... then the law is wrong.
It does seem odd that a republican would come up with this one since almost all rules that give the schools power over parents are made by democrats tho.
lazs
I think you may have misworded your statement. "Prior notice" would be more appropriate.
If a School "requests" (not to be mistaken for "demands") Prior notification so they can do paperwork or alter a scheduled meeting with a teacher etc. then Im down with that. I typically will send in a note anyway out of courtesy letting them know my daughter will be leaving school at XXX time for whatever reason. But I do it out of courtesy.
Now if they started demanding...Well then now they are picking a fight. LOL
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But what about shamus jr's homework for that day? Wow guess what? He's going to be a day behind now because you didn't let the school know in advance, you know when the teachers would have been informed and could have gotten shamus jr's work for the day he was going to be absent prepared for him so he wouldn't fall behind.
There is a LOGICAL reason they want to know in advance, and that one right there is the biggest one. How about if he had a test that day? Well he misses the test, talks to his buddies that night and gets the answers, and cheats on the makeup, IF the teacher allows him a make up test. BUT if the teacher knows in advance they can make a seperate test for shamus jr. or maybe have him take it a day early, whatever. It provides the school needed time to ensure your child doesn't fall behind, and if shamus jr does fall behind who are you going to blame? Not yourself, your going to blame the school for your own screwup that could have easily been prevented by picking up the phone a day or two in advance.
By you picking up the phone the day shamus jr isn't going to be there and having the attitude of "that should be the end of it" you have in FACT caused a bunch of other people a bunch of problems of having to figure out how to keep little shamus jr on track and up to spead with everyone else in his class. Doing what you suggest actually hurts your kids own education and YOU are defeating the entire purpose of sending your child to school.
Bet you never thought of it that way huh?
No no. I've been through this.
the school (at least our school system) will typically fill you in on what assignments were handed out for the day.
the kids can also get them from their friends.
Or also in our case we can go online and see what the days assignments were/are and what will be due the next day for any given class.
LOL One thing I DO like about this town nd have to tip my hat to the township for is our school system.
It is really well done.
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mojava.. where did I say that a parent couldn't/shouldn't take his kid out for any reason he wanted?
I hate public schools and taxes but... us.. each and everyone of us is paying for the little twit to go. The reason being, presumably, that he will get a good education and be an asset and worth all the damn money that us.. not you.. not the parent.. all of us.. are spending on him.. it is our money not the parents.
If you want the state to be your mommy then quit acting all upset when it treats you like it is... your mommy.
VOUCHERS. HOME SCHOOLING. PAY FOR IT YOURSELF YA LEECH.
Those are the options or.. play by whatever nanny rules come down the pike that the people who are paying your bills for you decide you should play by.
Laz If you live in an area with a crappy school system I understand your complaints.
In my case. Our schools are really top notch. Over 80% of our graduates go onto a 4 year college.
The rest...well. You can provide a good school system but you cant make the kids or the parents care about learning.
I have zero complaints or reservations about the education my kids have gotten.And my daughter is still getting.
almost makes it worth the property taxes Im paying
As is well known my son is currently attending Rutgers. The year he entered his freshman year Rutgers in its entirety only accepted the top 6% of the graduating classes . My son had his choice of which campus he wanted to attend. He chose the main campus. Which typically only the best of the best get to go to
But I understand the complaints you have. Having been brought up in a town that had/s a crappy school system.
Maybe it works differently in California. but if you were here in NJ. Your real complaints shouldnt be over Government funded schools but rather how your township handles that funding. In alot of areas where the school system isnt that great. Alot of funding never reaches the classrooms where it needs to be.
I'f you look around you will find some townships have great schools and others have crappy ones dispite the fact that some of the crappy ones (often in urban areas) may actually receive more funding then the great schools.
Its not just the funding they receive you should have a gripe with.
But what the various townships and school districts do with that funding
Publicly funded schools is no new thing in this country. Or on this continent for that matter.
examples
The first publicly funded school in America dates back to the 1600's
"Boston Latin School in Boston, Mass. is the oldest public school in America. It was founded April 23, 1635.
It was started by Rev. John Cotton who wanted to create a school modeled after the Free Grammar School in Boston, England, in which Latin and Greek were taught. The school was publicly funded and the first classes were held in the home of Philemon Pormort, the school's master.
Believe it or not five of the 56 signers of the U.S. Constitution attended Boston Latin: John Hancock, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Treat Paine, and William Hooper." http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/oldest-school-america.html
The Pennsylvania state constitution of 1776 provides for a publicly funded school system and again in 1790 specifically states
"ARTICLE VII of Public Schools. Section 1
The Legislation shall,as soon as conveniently may be,by law,for the establishment of schools throughout the state,in such manner that the poor may be taught gratus"
http://www.parss.org/school_funding/History%20of%20School%20Funding%202003_02122004.pdf
In looking around it seems most states had public schools in one form or another even before their admission to statehood.
Again your argument shouldnt be with the funding of public schools.
But rather how that funding is administered.
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dred.. it doesn't matter if the public school is crappy or good or excellent...
You are not getting the point..
If you allow everyone else to pay for your child to go to school then you have little or no say in what they teach him or what the rules are...
I pay for my grand daughter so that I have individual rights.. it is not republicans who are in lock step with the teachers union and public school and the nanny state.. it is the democrats.
IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD IN PUBLIC SCHOOL YOU DESERVE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.. it is that simple.. you are not paying for your child... others are paying and they make the rules.
It is the same with any government program.. if we have national health then you will be told what to eat and what health programs to be on becuase.. you are being supported by the public..
The public is educating your kid at their expense to get a specific benifiet (right or wrong) out of it.. you signed up for all that crap when you turned the poor little mush head over to the state comrade.
If the little twit doesn't go to school... x.. amount of days... the state has determined that we are not getting our moneys worth out of the investment (right or wrong) sooooo you, as a parent, are cheating the rest of us by taking the little mush head out for no good reason.
YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR RIGHTS AND DESERVE WHATEVER HAPPENS.
lazs
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YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR RIGHTS AND DESERVE WHATEVER HAPPENS.
cant argue with that.
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See what happens when you allow the "teacher's union" run the education system? They ran it right into the ground, and now it is such a train wreck that it is nearly beyond repair.
When I started school the school year was 164 days. We started school the day after Labor Day, and got out the week before Memorial Day. We now have a school year that exceeds 180 days, they start the first week of August and get out the first week of June. And they learn 1/2 as much. They come out more poorly educated and more unprepared, and every year is worse. We have "teachers" who want to teach children "self esteem" and more feel good drivel. These "educators" choose the most piss poor curriculum I have ever seen in my life. My daughter graduated in 2005 from high school. I THOUGHT her books and the curriculum were as bad as I could possibly expect. HAH, my son is in the 8th grade. It got worse. I've never seen so much dumbed down irrelevant CRAP in my life. It's no wonder intelligent children are bored and disinterested in school. They have no interest in getting dumber.
There is no discipline and no education in the public education system any more. It's a travesty and a joke.
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skyrock, if you are going to miss a day at work do you call work and tell them or just not show up ?
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Either way it gets deducted from your sick days. :D
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YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR RIGHTS AND DESERVE WHATEVER HAPPENS.
lazs
While I understand and agree with the point, this line gives me an outstanding opportunity to point something out...
I haven't 'given up' my rights... they have been usurped, suborned and marginalized by folks in big city dominated venues acting on behalf of their welfare constituents.
I don't like the 'divvy'.. and we're getting to a point where the dealer needs a bullet. This week, I've discovered I'm not alone. Others... many others have noticed the disparity between what used to be called 'small town america' and the urban crawlers. There's a fight brewing... and it's about time.
Carry on.
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Sounds like they have a lot of freee time.
Chances are, the reality will be that principals will accept a copy of the appointment card. It's just going to cause more paperwork & headaches than it's worth.
All that for a state who's schools score dead last in the nation. Ours are 49th...since most schools are in small towns where everone knows everyone else, it won't be an issue here.
ROX
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See what happens when you allow the "teacher's union" run the education system? They ran it right into the ground, and now it is such a train wreck that it is nearly beyond repair.
When I started school the school year was 164 days. We started school the day after Labor Day, and got out the week before Memorial Day. We now have a school year that exceeds 180 days, they start the first week of August and get out the first week of June. And they learn 1/2 as much. They come out more poorly educated and more unprepared, and every year is worse. We have "teachers" who want to teach children "self esteem" and more feel good drivel. These "educators" choose the most piss poor curriculum I have ever seen in my life. My daughter graduated in 2005 from high school. I THOUGHT her books and the curriculum were as bad as I could possibly expect. HAH, my son is in the 8th grade. It got worse. I've never seen so much dumbed down irrelevant CRAP in my life. It's no wonder intelligent children are bored and disinterested in school. They have no interest in getting dumber.
There is no discipline and no education in the public education system any more. It's a travesty and a joke.
I used to teach college english. Same there. At work, I try to manage cashiers and baggers at a grocery store. The mindset is appalling among a few. And, it is a few compared to the whole. Self-esteem is a result of performing estimable acts. Nothing more. And humility ask of us to give credit for us performing those acts to those who taught us right from wrong.
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Ask the principal for his Medical and Dental qualifications.
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hang.. the people who would enroll their children in a public school have given up their rights... nothing has been taken from them except the same money that EVERYONE ELSE gets screwed out of every day in order to support the saintly teachers union and their mush headed child.
I have not given up my rights.. I may still have to pay for the idiots children that are being put in the democrats idea of a school system.. just like everyone else but....
My granddaughter is being educated on my dime... not theirs and .... you democrats.. you lovers of socialism and democracy.. you don't get any frigging say in it at all.
I wanna take her out to just go to the range to shoot guns.. that is my business and I don't have to give any damn reason.
She flunks cause I took her out too much? It doesn't cost you commies a cent.. I pay.
lazs
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So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist.
Nope. Just for it to be an excused absence. No permission required.