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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mojava on September 03, 2008, 11:30:17 AM
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Here's how the polls show it after day 1.5 of the RNC, FoxNews (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/obama-hits-50-percent-in-new-gallup-poll/)
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That poll was from yesterday i believe.
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Palin absolutely was bombarded with negative media. Most all of it laid down as a smear....
Talk about intelligent design.......
Lets see how things pan out after the debates, that should give us all a better flavor of who the next likely team will be in the White House.
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Are political polls accurate?
Based on scientific study, the answer is: While some results for some questions in a multi-query poll may be accurate, most polls, when taken in their entirety, are not. Here's why: Of the 100 individual question results, more than half (57) were wrong (outside their MOE's), as compared to the actual election results.
Polls=Yawn.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml
Hey, Mojava?
Hows that poll thing workin for ya?
:rofl
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Yep. Thats about what I thought.
:lol,
Wab
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Palin absolutely was bombarded with negative media. Most all of it laid down as a smear....
Talk about intelligent design.......
Lets see how things pan out after the debates, that should give us all a better flavor of who the next likely team will be in the White House.
Quoted for truth!
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923 (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923)
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923 (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923)
:rofl
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Better rethink your thinking Mojave...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Electoral vote predictor
http://www.electoral-vote.com/index.html
Obama 301 McCain 224 Ties 13
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923 (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923)
That is too freaking funny.
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"I work for a living, I've not nothing in common with the man..."
:lol
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Thanks for that Rasmussen link Red Top..
The latest numbers from the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator show Obama leading in states with 193 Electoral College votes and McCain ahead in states with 183 Electoral College votes. Previously, Obama had enjoyed a 210–165 advantage.
Looks like there's only a 10 electoral vote spread between yomama and mccraker...
My my.. a horse race, indeed. Maybe a clubbing. Cripes, I had no idea McCain had jumped from 45 back to only 10, with the toss up states steadily trending in McCains direction.
No wonder the left is flailing! Stand by for more!
*incoming!*
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A while back I posted that it should be almost impossible for the Dems to lose this election but that one should never underestimate the ability of the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I still think Obamessiah has this one pretty much in the bag. I find it hard to believe he won't win with about 30 electoral votes to spare.
However, I must admit my failings. I do so enjoy the little glint of fear in the eyes of the libbies and foaming at the mouth as their jaws snap reflexively at nothing. For that gift, I thank McC for choosing Palin and thank Palin for sending the left into a howling, whirling, tail-biting frenzy with just one speech. You can't buy entertainment like this!
Hell, Palin wiping the smug grin off Olberman's face and making Matthews look like his best gerbil died almost made me write a check to McC. (Barr is getting my money.) :)
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"A while back I posted that it should be almost impossible for the Dems to lose this election but that one should never underestimate the ability of the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
I am reminded of the last election when the Kerry campaign released a picture of Senator Kerry hunting. To me that was the "jump the shark" moment for the Kerry campaign. It wasn't the Swift boat vets or the Republicans painting Kerry as a far left liberal(he is). Stupid, obvious, and lacking any strategical foundation.
My little thoughts on this election; Obama wins 85% of the black vote. The black minority will vote in a far higher percentage than they ever have. Hispanics; 55-65% for Obama. Women 65%; Obama. Historically women vote Dem. Governor Palin may pull 3-5% of the Hillary vote. But most women will vote party affiliation. Governor Palin is very conservative. Which may turn many women away. Educated white vote; 55-60%.
The Republican party is increasingly becoming a party of exclusion not inclusion so their base is getting more and more narrow with each election. Christian right, conservatives, NRA, nearly all white. And the current administration has a slightly higher poll rating than a flaming bag of dog do on your porch.
Barr; I would like to see him get enough votes to scare both of these parties into cleaning up their acts. Won't happen but it would be nice.
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Women 65%; Obama. Historically women vote Dem. Governor Palin may pull 3-5% of the Hillary vote. But most women will vote party affiliation. Governor Palin is very conservative. Which may turn many women away.
I disagree, I believe more woman will vote for Palin than you say but this number could diminish if the smear campaign against her can reach the women. For example, if the comedians turn her into a Dan Quayle joke machine it will erode the female vote by reaching those women that don't watch the news on a routine basis.
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This week's ratings, with an average of 34.5 million viewers watching the GOP convention over three days, proved people are becoming more interested in what the Republicans have to say. The Democrats had an average audience of 30.2 million over four days, Nielsen said.
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Barr; I would like to see him get enough votes to scare both of these parties into cleaning up their acts. Won't happen but it would be nice.
If Mccain/Palin do as they say they want to do, they just might clean up the Republican party now.
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to sew it up.. the dems needed to get about a 10+ points bounce in the polls from the convention.. they got about 8.
Palin wiped it out. Palin made a HUGE differece.
That does not mean the liberal socialist metrosexual democrats can't/won't win..
It does mean that they can lose.. look at what they are doing to themselves.. they are making people like em less.. just look at this board.. look at the osambinbiden libs here.. after reading them.. just like the media.. they make you feel dirty.. not people you want to hang around with.
Makes you want to hang around Palin with the "not cosmopoliton (metrosexual) enough" crowd in some small town in Alaska so you can feel clean again.
The best thing is that I bet there are a whole lot more people who are saying.. "I will never watch the news or buy a leftist newspaper again"
lazs
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to sew it up.. the dems needed to get about a 10+ points bounce in the polls from the convention.. they got about 8.
Palin wiped it out. Palin made a HUGE differece.
That does not mean the liberal socialist metrosexual democrats can't/won't win..
It does mean that they can lose.. look at what they are doing to themselves.. they are making people like em less.. just look at this board.. look at the osambinbiden libs here.. after reading them.. just like the media.. they make you feel dirty.. not people you want to hang around with.
Makes you want to hang around Palin with the "not cosmopoliton (metrosexual) enough" crowd in some small town in Alaska so you can feel clean again.
The best thing is that I bet there are a whole lot more people who are saying.. "I will never watch the news or buy a leftist newspaper again"
lazs
Ditto Laz, McCain and Palin will make Nobama and NoBiden look like sissies.
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What we are forgeting are the people (like my parents) who have vote dem their entire lives but WILL NOT vote for a black man. I don't talk politics with my folks because we just don't see eye to eye, but my mom has been forwarding all of the anti-obama emails that have been forwarded to her and I see all of her friends (also dyed in the wool UAW dems) who are buying into the "obama is a muslim" crap. These are the people, who when polled, will say they're for obama, to not look like the obvious racists that they are (having voted dem all their lives) but pull the lever for mac when they get behind the curtain.
November could be the start of the revolution that laser prays for daily. This election could be SO lopsided that the rioting may not be contained to the black inner city. If it overflows to the rural areas where folks cling to their guns and religion it could start a chain reaction that will be hard to turn back from.
I must add that I do not wish for this outcome, I am only pointing out its obvious possibility.
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Hadn't really thought about that.
I think it will be a close one and if the Dems were to lose a close one they'd immediately start screaming that the Reps stole the election and/or cheated or some excuse besides the obvious fact that their far left liberal candidate did not convince enough people to vote for him.
It could easily lead to riots. Look what happens in cities where the basketball team loses the NBA championship. Heck, Boston had riots when the Celtics won.
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I think the more Palin speaks the more like McCain wins. They found a diamond! McCain, or McBrilliant as Rush refers to him, did a great service to the conservatives.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923 (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist?utm_source=videomrss_85923)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl You know he's got a point. Proud day indead. Say you going to vote for the man, nah, I've worked my whole life. I aint got nothing in common with the man! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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What we are forgeting are the people (like my parents) who have vote dem their entire lives but WILL NOT vote for a black man. I don't talk politics with my folks because we just don't see eye to eye, but my mom has been forwarding all of the anti-obama emails that have been forwarded to her and I see all of her friends (also dyed in the wool UAW dems) who are buying into the "obama is a muslim" crap. These are the people, who when polled, will say they're for obama, to not look like the obvious racists that they are (having voted dem all their lives) but pull the lever for mac when they get behind the curtain.
November could be the start of the revolution that laser prays for daily. This election could be SO lopsided that the rioting may not be contained to the black inner city. If it overflows to the rural areas where folks cling to their guns and religion it could start a chain reaction that will be hard to turn back from.
I must add that I do not wish for this outcome, I am only pointing out its obvious possibility.
Oh I get it. Their guy loses an election and they riot and burn in the streets. Yeah. They're ready to participate in our political system.
Did the "white" Republicans riot in the streets when they lost the Congress? No. You suck it up, learn from your mistakes, and start planning for the next election.
If you want to play domino's at the grownups table, then learn not to throw an embaressing fit whenever you lose.
:mad:,
Wab
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Palin may become a liability. Remember we are one weekend after the convention. A lot of voters will just look at the head lines and vote. Here are some things that have come out on Palin in last few days.
Trooper gate; The trooper is no angel. 4 marriages. He has other problems. Palin probably unduly used her office to have him removed from his job. Trooper gate report comes out October 10. Head of investigation is a Dem.
Palin's record is not all she says it is. The luxury(governor's) plane she listed on EBay. Didn't actually sell on EBay. They had to list it with a broker. Then sold it at a loss.
My opinion; I don't know how luxurious the plane in question was but unlike most states, you need a plane to get around in Alaska. Very few roads between towns. Boat or air is the mode of transportation in Alaska. So does the Governor get around the state? Charter flights? Definitely not commercial air. So how much did she save the state?
Palin, "went against the powers that be" and fought the corruption in the Republican party. Well sort of; The investigation was already going on when she took office. Opinion; Not a tough decision; FBI was involved. Go against the FBI and suffer the consequences.
5 children and one of them a special needs child and she is on the campaign trail? A pregnant unmarried 17 year old daughter and she enters the national spotlight? Nice mom(my opinion) Lot of women (mothers) are not going to like this.
Bridge to no where; She supported it during her campaign. Opposed it after she got in office.(it was a dead issue by then) Money for the bridge still went to Alaska for various other projects. Opinion; Development in Alaska is severely limited, by National Forest, topography, wildlife, water. The bridge in question would have opened some land for development.
Her record will not stand up to the in depth scrutiny of the national spotlight. And there is no rich daddy to cover up the missteps. (my opinion)
She is not doing any interviews. Of the 3 speeches I've heard her give she's given the same speech every time. (note; most of the candidates often give same speech to similar crowds). Need more information.
Its going to be interesting to see how the Republicans will handle this. She will have to submit to an interview or two before long. McCain is best in the town hall type of speech. Palin is best when she can give a prepared speech and leave the stage. How is Palin going to respond to questions in a town hall setting? They will have to contend with the Trooper report in October. Maybe some lawsuits to keep it from going public until after the election?
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What we are forgeting are the people (like my parents) who have vote dem their entire lives but WILL NOT vote for a black man. I don't talk politics with my folks because we just don't see eye to eye, but my mom has been forwarding all of the anti-obama emails that have been forwarded to her and I see all of her friends (also dyed in the wool UAW dems) who are buying into the "obama is a muslim" crap. These are the people, who when polled, will say they're for obama, to not look like the obvious racists that they are (having voted dem all their lives) but pull the lever for mac when they get behind the curtain.
November could be the start of the revolution that laser prays for daily. This election could be SO lopsided that the rioting may not be contained to the black inner city. If it overflows to the rural areas where folks cling to their guns and religion it could start a chain reaction that will be hard to turn back from.
I must add that I do not wish for this outcome, I am only pointing out its obvious possibility.
On the other hand Think of all the black voters who never bothered to vote before who now will because Of Obama.
Think about it Obama did pretty good in the south in the primaries.
You really dont think he had alot of support from the Good ol boys down there.
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Hadn't really thought about that.
I think it will be a close one and if the Dems were to lose a close one they'd immediately start screaming that the Reps stole the election and/or cheated or some excuse besides the obvious fact that their far left liberal candidate did not convince enough people to vote for him.
It could easily lead to riots. Look what happens in cities where the basketball team loses the NBA championship. Heck, Boston had riots when the Celtics won.
You have to admit that at this point there's enough people uncontrolably foaming at the mouth and getting completely out of line with dirty tactics that cheating from either party wouldn't be immediately deniable.. I personaly still don't see any good reason for going to digital voting machines.
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I think the more Palin speaks the more like McCain wins. They found a diamond! McCain, or McBrilliant as Rush refers to him, did a great service to the conservatives.
Absolutely.
she has star appeal
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...Palin's record is not all she says it is. The luxury(governor's) plane she listed on EBay. Didn't actually sell on EBay. They had to list it with a broker. Then sold it at a loss.
My opinion; I don't know how luxurious the plane in question was but unlike most states, you need a plane to get around in Alaska. Very few roads between towns. Boat or air is the mode of transportation in Alaska. So does the Governor get around the state? Charter flights? Definitely not commercial air. So how much did she save the state?
You're right. I bet a lot of those remote bush airfields, that don't even have paved roads to them, are capable of handling a private jet.
:rolleyes:,
Wab
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Boat or air is the mode of transportation in Alaska. So does the Governor get around the state? Charter flights? Definitely not commercial air. So how much did she save the state?
You're trying to make the point that there's no commuter airlines in alaska? Ones like
Era Aviation: scheduled service to:
Kenai
Homer
Kodiak
Valdez
Cordova
Bethel
Fairbanks
PenAir: scheduled service to:
Akutan (KQA) – Akutan Seaplane Base
Aleknagik (WKK) – Aleknagik Airport
Aniak (ANI) – Aniak Airport
Anchorage (ANC) – Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport (Hub)
Atka (AKB) – Atka Airport
Bartletts/Egegik (BSZ) – Bartletts Airport (FAA: AK96)
Cape Newenham (EHM)
Chignik Bay (KCG)
Chignik Lagoon (KCL) – Chignik Lagoon Airport
Chignik Lake (KCQ)
Cinder River (RCP)
Clark's Point (CLP) – Clarks Point Airport
Cold Bay (CDB) – Cold Bay Airport (Hub)
Dillingham (DLG) – Dillingham Airport (Hub)
Dutch Harbor (DUT) – Unalaska Airport (Hub)
Egegik (EGX) – Egegik Airport
Ekwok (KEK) – Ekwok Airport
False Pass (KFP) – False Pass Airport
Igiugig, Alaska (IGG) – Igiugig Airport
Iliamna (ILI) – Iliamna Airport
King Cove (KVC) – King Cove Airport
King Salmon (AKN) – King Salmon Airport (Hub)
Koliganek (KGK) – Koliganek Airport
Levelock (KLL) – Levelock Airport
Manokotak (KMO) – Manokotak Airport
McGrath (MCG) – McGrath Airport
Nelson Lagoon (NLG) – Nelson Lagoon Airport
New Stuyahok (KNW) – New Stuyahok Airport
Nikolski (IKO)
Perryville (KPV) – Perryville Airport
Pilot Point (PIP) – Pilot Point Airport
Port Heiden (PTH) – Port Heiden Airport
Port Moller (PML)
Portage Creek (PCA) – Portage Creek Airport
St. George (STG) – St. George Airport
St. Paul (SNP) – St. Paul Island Airport
Sand Point (SDP) – Sand Point Municipal Airport
Sandy River (KSR)
South Naknek (WSN) – South Naknek 2 Airport
Togiak (TOG) – Togiak Airport
Twin Hills (TWA) – Twin Hills Airport
Ugashik (UGB) – Ugashik Bay Airport
Unalakleet (UNK) – Unalakleet Airport
Wildman Lake (EWD)
or
Frontier Flying Service: scheduled service to
Anchorage (ANC) - Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport
Aniak (ANI) - Aniak Airport
Anvik (ANV) - Anvik Airport
Atqasuk (ATK) - Atqasuk Edward Burnell Sr. Memorial Airport
Barrow (BRW) - Wiley Post-Will Rogers Memorial Airport
Barter Island / Kaktovik (BTI) - Barter Island LRRS
Bethel (BET) - Bethel Airport
Brevig Mission (KTS) - Brevig Mission Airport
Buckland (BKC) - Buckland Airport
Deadhorse (SCC) - Deadhorse Airport
Deering (DRG) - Deering Airport
Elim (ELI) - Elim Airport
Fairbanks (FAI) - Fairbanks International Airport
Fort Yukon (FYU) - Fort Yukon Airport
Galena (GAL) - Edward G. Pitka Sr. Airport
Gambell (GAM) - Gambell Airport
Golovin (GLV) - Golovin Airport
Grayling (KGX) - Grayling Airport
Holy Cross (HCR) - Holy Cross Airport
Huslia (HSL) - Huslia Airport
Kalskag (KLG) - Kalskag Airport
Kaltag (KAL) - Kaltag Airport
Kiana (IAN) - Bob Baker Memorial Airport
Kivalina (KVL) - Kivalina Airport
Kotzebue (OTZ) - Ralph Wien Memorial Airport
Koyuk (KKA) - Koyuk Alfred Adams Airport
Koyukuk (KYU) - Koyukuk Airport
Noatak (WTK) - Noatak Airport
Nome (OME) - Nome Airport
Noorvik (ORV) - Robert (Bob) Curtis Memorial Airport
Nuiqsut (AQT/NUI) - Nuiqsut Airport
Nulato (NUL) - Nulato Airport
Point Hope (PHO) - Point Hope Airport
Point Lay (PIZ) - Point Lay LRRS
Ruby (RBY) - Ruby Airport
Russian Mission (RSH) - Russian Mission Airport
Savoonga (SVA) - Savoonga Airport
Selawik (WLK) - Selawik Airport
Shageluk (SHX) - Shageluk Airport
Shishmaref (SHH) - Shishmaref Airport
St. Mary's (KSM) - St. Mary's Airport
Tanana (TAL) - Ralph M. Calhoun Memorial Airport
Teller (TLA) - Teller Airport
Wainwright (AIN) - Wainwright Airport
Wales (WAA) - Wales Airport
White Mountain (WMO) - White Mountain Airport
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"You're right. I bet a lot of those remote bush airfields, they don't even have paved roads to them, are capable of handling a private jet."
The point is I don't see the Governor flying commercial air. Many of the towns are only accessible by seaplane.(or boat) My question is was this "luxury plane" a 747 or a Lear jet? Was it a waste or was it necessary? Alaska is not like other states. Many locations are only accessible by seaplane or boat. She makes it sound like it was more of the 747 variety. Did she really save the state any money?
She does have a record, all the way back to her time as a mayor as a cost cutter which is a plus in my book.
Toad: I have flown many times in Alaska, including back when Alaska air flew surplus PBY's. My point as far as the Gov and commercial air is; I don't see the Gov waiting in line for her ticket, going through security, eating her mixed nuts, washing it down with her half can of soda pop when she flies about on state business.
Also Alaska has more licensed pilots per capita than anyplace in the US. Something like 1 pilot for every 4 people. In Alaska you fly or go by boat.
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She makes it sound like it was more of the 747 variety. Did she really save the state any money?
For starters, just how often does the governor leave Juneau? How much money in maintenance costs was the state spending each year on a jet that likely didn't see all that much use?
In the long run it's probably cheaper to charter a plane when the governor needs to fly someplace. I doubt any Alaska governor was doing much flying to the towns that can handle a jet.
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5 children and one of them a special needs child and she is on the campaign trail? A pregnant unmarried 17 year old daughter and she enters the national spotlight?
I doubt you would have much of an issue with it if Palin was a male.
I hate to break it to you, but it is 2008 and June Cleaver is around only in re-runs.
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The point is I don't see the Governor flying commercial air. Many of the towns are only accessible by seaplane.(or boat)
A jet is not an effective sea plane.
And why the Hell shouldn't they travel commercial. Coach in fact. If they want to upgrade, thats fine if its out of their pocket. (I'd like to see this for all politicians!)
If they need to travel somewhere remote, they can charter a bush plane.
Wab
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For starters, just how often does the governor leave Juneau? How much money in maintenance costs was the state spending each year on a jet that likely didn't see all that much use?
In the long run it's probably cheaper to charter a plane when the governor needs to fly someplace. I doubt any Alaska governor was doing much flying to the towns that can handle a jet.
How often do Governors travel about their state in the any state? 10 times a year, 20 times? Point is in Alaska it will require flight. Most of the towns have jet capable runways (thanks to the tourists). It may be cheaper to charter than to maintain a aircraft. An already established government agency or an outside source for maintenance? What was the cost? More or less than a charter? And no aircraft will handle all the contingency's. So even if the state had a Lear jet they would still either have to also have a seaplane or charter a seaplane. And a seaplane would be too slow and small to go very far. Does your state have a plane for the governor? Probably does.
The way Governor Palin makes is sound is that it was a gross waste of state money. In most other states, a jet is extravagant. Alaska is different. It may be a waste or it may not be. I doubt you would have much of an issue with it if Palin was a male.
I hate to break it to you, but it is 2008 and June Cleaver is around only in re-runs.
Ya talk to some women. I didn't make that point up. It came from a converstion from some women(Republicans at that)
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I doubt you would have much of an issue with it if Palin was a male.
I hate to break it to you, but it is 2008 and June Cleaver is around only in re-runs.
Agreed on both counts.
Damn shame on both counts too ;)
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Palin may become a liability. Remember we are one weekend after the convention. A lot of voters will just look at the head lines and vote. Here are some things that have come out on Palin in last few days.
Trooper gate; The trooper is no angel. 4 marriages. He has other problems. Palin probably unduly used her office to have him removed from his job. Trooper gate report comes out October 10. Head of investigation is a Dem.
The trooper was not removed. The Commissioner, who serves at the pleasure of the Govenor; was offered a transfer after an audit. The Trooper was suspended for 5 days for various infractions that would have gotten a trooper in the lower 48 fired. Non issue.. except to the liberal wailing media.
Palin's record is not all she says it is. The luxury(governor's) plane she listed on EBay. Didn't actually sell on EBay. They had to list it with a broker. Then sold it at a loss.
My opinion; I don't know how luxurious the plane in question was but unlike most states, you need a plane to get around in Alaska. Very few roads between towns. Boat or air is the mode of transportation in Alaska. So does the Governor get around the state? Charter flights? Definitely not commercial air. So how much did she save the state?
McCain misspoke.. she didn't. She put it on ebay.. the jet did sell, but via a broker. The Government paid more than the jet was worth... and it sold for what it WAS worth. The Jet was not capable from operating from the vast majority of alaska strips. The constituency applauded the sale.. even at a loss. Again, aside from the wailing liberal media; it's a non issue. It's also been indisputably proven that local charters for her movements and the access to Air national Guard assets provides her with access to every part of the state she needs to get to for a heluva lot less than the purchase, maintenance and salaried jet jockeys necessary to keep that jet.
Palin, "went against the powers that be" and fought the corruption in the Republican party. Well sort of; The investigation was already going on when she took office. Opinion; Not a tough decision; FBI was involved. Go against the FBI and suffer the consequences.
Palin has indeed cut some heads... the democratic speaker to the alaska house resigined rather than battle with her... because she plays rough and plays for keeps. The FBI Investigation of the Republican misuse of power started with her complaints relevant to her service and whistle blowing while on the Oil and Gas Commission. Again.. more flailing and wailing.. to be expected from the dead wood when it gets the axe.
5 children and one of them a special needs child and she is on the campaign trail? A pregnant unmarried 17 year old daughter and she enters the national spotlight? Nice mom(my opinion) Lot of women (mothers) are not going to like this.
I like this one.. cracks me up. Double standard and an insult to the femininist agenda when it's a Democrat Mom challenged on her priorities. When it's a gun totin pro-life believer in Jesus Mom, she's a disgrace to mothers everywhere. Funniest flip so far..
Bridge to no where; She supported it during her campaign. Opposed it after she got in office.(it was a dead issue by then) Money for the bridge still went to Alaska for various other projects. Opinion; Development in Alaska is severely limited, by National Forest, topography, wildlife, water. The bridge in question would have opened some land for development.
Agreed.. and she spent the money where it was needed.. and she returned money to alaska taxpayers garnished from the oil companies, killed the state gas tax and slashed frivolous spending wherever she found it. I don't fault her actions... I lament the misuse of the bridge issue.
Her record will not stand up to the in depth scrutiny of the national spotlight. And there is no rich daddy to cover up the missteps. (my opinion)
Disagree.. but time will tell. Depends less on her and more on how the voters react to the Media Assault. From the looks of things, folks are more pissed at the media than her.
She is not doing any interviews. Of the 3 speeches I've heard her give she's given the same speech every time. (note; most of the candidates often give same speech to similar crowds). Need more information.
She's playing it smart so far.. and smart is staying away from the 'So, when did you stop beating your husband and start neglecting your kids?' questions from a desperate liberal media machine.
Its going to be interesting to see how the Republicans will handle this. She will have to submit to an interview or two before long. McCain is best in the town hall type of speech. Palin is best when she can give a prepared speech and leave the stage. How is Palin going to respond to questions in a town hall setting? They will have to contend with the Trooper report in October. Maybe some lawsuits to keep it from going public until after the election?
Doubt there will be lawsuits on the investigation.. seems like the democrats don't want it resolved any time soon so they can continue to cast aspersions with it. Looks to me and a buncha folks a lot smarter than me that the accusations won't stick, or she would never have been offered the ticket.
My responses in blue, above.
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How often do Governors travel about their state in the any state? 10 times a year, 20 times?
If I was a betting man, I'd bet the governor almost never travels around their home state. All of their work is done in the state capital.
And no aircraft will handle all the contingency's. So even if the state had a Lear jet they would still either have to also have a seaplane or charter a seaplane.
Right. Consider all the costs involved with maintaining a private jet, maintenance, fuel and pilot salaries and Governor Palin was probably correct in selling the jet.
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LOL
Let's look at another Governor that uses an airplane. The great Rod Blagojevich of Illinois, whom Obama "the agent for change" endorsed because, well, that's what you do in Illinois if you are a regular party hack:
Illinois Governor Has Pricey Commute
Gov. Rod Blagojevich Flies From Chicago Home To Work In State Capital — At $5,800 Per Trip
(AP) Gov. Rod Blagojevich's practice of flying from his Chicago home to the Capitol in Springfield and back for daily budget negotiations is costing Illinois taxpayers more than $5,800 a day — roughly $76,000 since late May and climbing.
An Associated Press analysis of state flight records shows Blagojevich made nine round trips on state airplanes from May 22 to June 7, and he appears to have made at least four more since then.
Several of those flights came while the governor's aides were admonishing lawmakers for not spending enough time in the Capitol working on the budget.
With the first eight flights, Blagojevich averaged less than five hours in Springfield per trip. On the ninth, he stayed two nights as lawmakers tried to meet a May 31 budget-approval deadline. They missed that deadline, and the Democrats who dominate Illinois government remained deadlocked Thursday, which likely means more flights for the governor, a fellow Democrat.
The state auditor's calculations put the actual cost of flying the governor's plane between Chicago and Springfield at $9.81 per mile.
That puts the cost of Blagojevich's nine flights for which official records are available at $52,540. Detailed records aren't available for the flights since June 7, but averages from previous day trips suggest an additional cost of $23,300.
Springfield and Chicago are about 150 miles apart as the crow flies; the trip is about a three-hour drive.
Blagojevich's office refused to answer questions about the matter.
Sen. Chris Lauzen, an Aurora Republican who serves as co-chairman of the Legislative Audit Commission, called the governor's travel an "enormous waste" and noted that it amounted to more than a teacher's annual salary.
Illinois has an Executive Mansion in Springfield, and past governors have either lived in the capital or at least stayed there while the Legislature was in session. Blagojevich lives in Chicago and prefers to go home at the end of each day.
Lawmakers typically meet in Springfield three days a week, and Blagojevich has been flying to Springfield each day. If he arrived at the start of each week's session and stayed at the Executive Mansion until the end, the cost of his flights would be about two-thirds less.
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Of course, even with as little change (as in none) as Obama brought to the corrupt Illinois party machine I'M SURE he will be a different type of change agent and reformer once in Washington. Why else would maverick, outside the system Ted Kennedy endorse him if he was just going to be another traditional, Democratic party hack?
Charon
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Zogby: McCain up by 4.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1548 (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1548)
Mojava,
This must be like a nightmare for you. It just keeps getting worse and worse and you can't make it stop!
:t,
Wab
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Ok you metrosexuals and sensitive hypocrites....
Lets say that Palin had been on a list.. that all of your liberal media had a chance to "vet" her.. that they got to be involved in the pick instead of the pres.
Now... let's say that Mccain eliminated her because.. well.. He makes a statemet that....she is just a woman.. she has five kids and a womans place is watching those kids not government... her husband can't do it cause that is womans work. She has a downs syndrome kid that she selfishly didn't kill in the womb and everyone knows that they are a pain in the butt.
I wonder how you sensitive hypocrites would have reacted... Hell..he wouldn't have even had to say those things.. all he would have to have said was "we pass on her" and you and your media would have added all the rest.
I am taking great glee in watching you guys squirm.. you are seeing some change and you hate it..you don't want change.. you want a slick, corrupt, cosmopolitan mush head orator who is preaching the same old 50 year old teddy kennedy shtick.
you don't want a person who could shop at the grocery store.. you want a person who blows smoke up ghetto folks and panders to the teachers union.
You are so angry at being hoisted on your own shrill petard that you are making it worse.. you can't help yourselves.. you are so far past sounding "reasonable" and "calm" and "unbiased" that even the dumbest office worker is seeing it..
Everywhere.. women are seeing it. Women have always been for affirmative action.. so long as it put them first and the negro guy second or third or.. whatever.
You guys don't get that.
Oh.. and someone mentioned riots and why whites don't riot.. negros vote 95% right along color lines when they have a chance.. a little less along democrat lines when they don't.. whites vote based on the guy they like and what they think he will do. Whites don't riot at a loss because they are not a unified front based on emotion.
lazs
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5 children and one of them a special needs child and she is on the campaign trail? A pregnant unmarried 17 year old daughter and she enters the national spotlight?
Hmmmm.I don't remember anybody saying Nancy Pelosi should be at home instead of politics,and she has five children.
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... and all 5 of 'em are republicans.
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Electoral vote predictor
Unlike other sites, which track generic national polls, this site tracks the state-by-state polls. After all, the presidency is decided by 51 separate state elections,
51 state elections? ok who voted twice?
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http://www.50states.com/
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Hmmmm.I don't remember anybody saying Nancy Pelosi should be at home instead of politics,and she has five children.
exactly! :aok
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51 state elections? ok who voted twice?
I think he is including Puerto Rico
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I think he is including Puerto Rico
Or maybe the District of Columbia?
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Either way.
Its about as unbias a pulse as your going to find
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Here's how the polls show it after day 1.5 of the RNC, FoxNews (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/obama-hits-50-percent-in-new-gallup-poll/)
Here are the polls 4 days after: McCain leading. :rofl
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
How's that sock taste in your mouth? ;)
FWIW, polls are meaningless for the most part.
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Here are the polls 4 days after: McCain leading. :rofl
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
How's that sock taste in your mouth? ;)
FWIW, polls are meaningless for the most part.
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National average is meaningless as they only represent the popular vote.
The only poll thats gonna matter is the one represented on this page
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
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That reminds me.... can one of the Dems tell me which is most important this time? Is it the electoral college or the popular vote.
I mean there was such a deal over popular vote with Gore.
So if McC wins the popular but loses the electoral, he should be Prez, right? Or are we changing that this time?
Just want to get this straight before the election. :devil
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The polls were saying John Kerry was a shoe-in.
Polls are very unreliable...even with a 3-5 point margin of error.
ROX
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That reminds me.... can one of the Dems tell me which is most important this time? Is it the electoral college or the popular vote.
I mean there was such a deal over popular vote with Gore.
So if McC wins the popular but loses the electoral, he should be Prez, right? Or are we changing that this time?
Just want to get this straight before the election. :devil
I think we would or will see the same whines from either side if it went down the other side last time or should it come down that way again.
Electoral vote is the only poll that matters.
National Polls mean nothng particularly if a candidate only widens those poll numbers in his already locked up area.
Then yea his overall poll numbers will go up.
But he is also only preaching to the choir.
That is why I keep saying McCain Has to make himself even more appealing ot the middle.
His base was going to vote for him anyway. so making him even more popular with people that were going to vote his way anyway was pointless.
He HAS to appeal to the middle and moderate left more to win this election.
He HAs to steal votes from Obama in other states then his own already republican states.
He wont do that if he keeps preaching baseline.
(http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Sep08.png)
He has to make more of an impact in places like, New Jersey,New York,PA, As well as win over The Barely Dem states like Ohio
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This is specifically for Crockett; it may help him understand why the Dems are so adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Others may find it insightful as well.
It's written by a Brit, an outside perspective on the Democrats continual problem with the American electorate.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f1984d88-7cd5-11dd-8d59-000077b07658.html
Democrats must learn some respect
Democrats speak up for the less prosperous; they have well-intentioned policies to help them; they are disturbed by inequality, and want to do something about it. Their concern is real and admirable. The trouble is, they lack respect for the objects of their solicitude. Their sympathy comes mixed with disdain, and even contempt.
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I think we would or will see the same whines from either side if it went down the other side last time or should it come down that way again.
I think most people realize that the only vote that really matters is the Electoral vote. If all states had laws making it mandatory for the Electoral votes to be cast the same direction their popular votes went, then our votes might actually mean something. That is also the only way we will avoid one candidate winning the popular vote and the other one winning the Electoral vote and the election.
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yep toad.. this bears repeating.... from the article..
"Democrats regard their policies as self-evidently in the interests of the US working and middle classes. Yet those wide segments of US society keep helping to elect Republican presidents. How is one to account for this? Are those people idiots? Frankly, yes – or so many liberals are driven to conclude. Either that or bigots, clinging to guns, God and white supremacy; or else pathetic dupes, ever at the disposal of Republican strategists. If they only had the brains to vote in their interests, Democrats think, the party would never be out of power. But again and again, the Republicans tell their lies, and those stupid damned voters buy it.
It is an attitude that a good part of the US media share. The country has conservative media (Fox News, talk radio) as well as liberal media (most of the rest). Curiously, whereas the conservative media know they are conservative, much of the liberal media believe themselves to be neutral.
Their constant support for Democratic views has nothing to do with bias, in their minds, but reflects the fact that Democrats just happen to be right about everything. The result is the same: for much of the media, the fact that Republicans keep winning can only be due to the backwardness of much of the country. "
lazs
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and of course.. this...
"Voters in small towns and suburbs, forever mocked and condescended to by metropolitan liberals, are attuned to this disdain. Every four years, many take their revenge."
just look at the libs on this board.. they epitomize the elite ideal.. that somehow.. they are superior in thinking to the "right wingers" and "rednecks" on this board.
The sneering of mahr and michellle moore and the snide jon "make a funny face" stewart.. these are the hero's of the left.
They are somehow more clever and gifted.. they are the actors and the comedians and.. the "smart" people who love the arts (or love to look down their nose at people) the ones who go to plays and ride taxis and live in apartments and wear shoes that are made for concrete.
They think that we want to be like them but that we just don't know it.. we are too dumb. They don't realize that we would rather die than be like them.. we would like to keep our guns so that we can take a few of em with us who try to force the issue too.
lazs
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I can't remember who made the statement,but after Kerry's loss in 2004,a democrat made the statement that went like this,"We could have a great thing going here if voters were smart enough to see it."
Translation-People aren't smart enough to vote for what's best for them.
Which is exactly the attitude Toad's article talks about.
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The polls were saying John Kerry was a shoe-in.
Polls are very unreliable...even with a 3-5 point margin of error.
ROX
I believe, even though it was virtually ignored, that Kerry lost that squeaker because of Osama Bin Laden's personal campaign advertisment for him on, I think, the Friday prior to the election. Perhaps he will reprise the performance for Obama.
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"Voters in small towns and suburbs, forever mocked and condescended to by metropolitan liberals, are attuned to this disdain. Every four years, many take their revenge."
re-quoted, for truth.
My 86 year old father in law.. brooklyn born & raised, put it like this:
'The angry working white man is never heard from until election day'
He's never been wrong on that one.. we don't answer telephone polls. We don't talk to reporters. We don't gather in groups and wail and moan, we rarely have time. We're too damn busy trying to keep what we have, put food on the table and getting the mortgage paid to 'play' at politics.
Toad and Laz have it nailed.