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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on September 04, 2008, 04:25:05 PM
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i guess the media has been so busy attacking palin they forgot to tell us about iraq.
""The US military handed over control of Anbar Province Monday, marking a significant milestone in the Iraq war.
Anbar was the deadliest Iraqi province for US troops, with nearly 1 in every 3 Americans killed there. It was once the symbol of Sunni resistance, the base of operations for Al Qaeda, and home to two major US military offensives and the most intense urban combat of the war.
But in the past two years, Anbar has emerged as the symbol of a turnaround as Sunni sheikhs formed "Awakening Councils," ousted Al Qaeda, and created community police forces."
that is the result of the surge McCain wanted and obama did not.
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that is the result of the surge McCain wanted and obama did not.
I doubt you will convince even the people on the ground that Anbar is safe today from the surge alone. Maybe some research will do you good. :aok
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I doubt you will convince even the people on the ground that Anbar is safe today from the surge alone. Maybe some research will do you good. :aok
Before the surge, Anbar had 5,000 police officers, and the mainly Shi’ite Iraqi Army couldn’t hold its positions in the primarily Sunni province. Now Anbar employs over 37,000 police officers, and a more balanced military has built trust with the local Sunni population, thanks to the assistance of the Americans. Anbar becomes the 11th province of 18 to transfer to Iraqi control, and the first primarily Sunni province.
Source:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/01/iraq-takes-over-anbar/
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11 of 18 Provinces now under Iraqi control, we are getting there. :rock
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Source:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/01/iraq-takes-over-anbar/
keep bringing it, you're not there yet. :aok
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The reason it is far safer is cause the American taxpayer is paying the Sunni militants not to fight.
Thats right, its costing us about 25 million $$ a month to pay them to sit on their arses, sipping tea, and not picking up their AKs.
Supposedly the Iraqi Govt. is creating some kind of jobs training plan and is going to allow some of the insurgents into the Police and security forces. Right now that plan is years behind schedule. The Shiite run central Government knows many of these Sunni insurgents are former Saddam and Baath party men and trust is not a luxury many have in Iraq.
On the other hand our own kids aren't getting killed and maimed like they were before and the Sunni insurgents were very helpful in rooting out Al Qaeda in AnBar. I dont think any of the Iraqis really trust Al Qaeda. But our Government likes to point out the troop surge as the real reason AnBar has calmed down, as all Iraq has, and progress is being made. Its makes them all look like geniuses to say so.
But the real reason is were paying them off not to fight and kill. Funny how the Politicians always forget to point that out.
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keep bringing it, you're not there yet. :aok
Source...
http://www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/let_8409___article.html/letters_.html
But that aside, the success of the Marines and other supporting soldiers in that area, led by General Petreaus’ Counterinsurgency Plan and troop surge, have made the country of Iraq and that region a much more difficult, if not impossible, place for international terrorists to plan and execute their operations.
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Source...
http://www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/let_8409___article.html/letters_.html
see, RIch.
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The reason it is far safer is cause the American taxpayer is paying the Sunni militants not to fight.
Thats right, its costing us about 25 million $$ a month to pay them to sit on their arses, sipping tea, and not picking up their AKs.
Supposedly the Iraqi Govt. is creating some kind of jobs training plan and is going to allow some of the insurgents into the Police and security forces. Right now that plan is years behind schedule. The Shiite run central Government knows many of these Sunni insurgents are former Saddam and Baath party men and trust is not a luxury many have in Iraq.
On the other hand our own kids aren't getting killed and maimed like they were before and the Sunni insurgents were very helpful in rooting out Al Qaeda in AnBar. I dont think any of the Iraqis really trust Al Qaeda. But our Government likes to point out the troop surge as the real reason AnBar has calmed down, as all Iraq has, and progress is being made. Its makes them all look like geniuses to say so.
But the real reason is were paying them off not to fight and kill. Funny how the Politicians always forget to point that out.
:huh
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Good luck snatching defeat from the jaws of victory Skyrock.
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The reason it is far safer is cause the American taxpayer is paying the Sunni militants not to fight.
Thats right, its costing us about 25 million $$ a month to pay them to sit on their arses, sipping tea, and not picking up their AKs.
Supposedly the Iraqi Govt. is creating some kind of jobs training plan and is going to allow some of the insurgents into the Police and security forces. Right now that plan is years behind schedule. The Shiite run central Government knows many of these Sunni insurgents are former Saddam and Baath party men and trust is not a luxury many have in Iraq.
On the other hand our own kids aren't getting killed and maimed like they were before and the Sunni insurgents were very helpful in rooting out Al Qaeda in AnBar. I dont think any of the Iraqis really trust Al Qaeda. But our Government likes to point out the troop surge as the real reason AnBar has calmed down, as all Iraq has, and progress is being made. Its makes them all look like geniuses to say so.
But the real reason is were paying them off not to fight and kill. Funny how the Politicians always forget to point that out.
So we're paying them not to kill "us", so to speak, while Al Quida was paying them to kill "us'.
I'll take that
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Good luck snatching defeat from the jaws of victory Skyrock.
He finds a way. Like when you HO him in the Main Arena and 200 isn't tuned, he PMs ya :noid :rolleyes:
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I doubt you will convince even the people on the ground that Anbar is safe today from the surge alone. Maybe some research will do you good. :aok
Even better, why dont you head over and see how it is. I know for a fact is alot better than three years ago the last time I was there. FYI: The troops are the best sorce of info.
Dont want to seem that I am thumping my chest here or bragging but you truly don't understand until you see it for yourself.
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He finds a way. Like when you HO him in the Main Arena and 200 isn't tuned, he PMs ya :noid :rolleyes:
Which is hillarious 'cause he is a ho weenie.
Just sit back and laugh at the hypprocrytes and try not to take them very seriously. They ain't worth it.
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but you truly don't understand until you see it for yourself.
see what? sunnis, not fighting US? hmmm give me a reason for them not to fight us, they are islamic fundamentalist! Please, inform me, from your time there, why all of the sudden, the "infidels"(us) are not the enemy as seen through sunni eyes?
I salute your service to this great nation, and am sorry for any loss you may have incurrred in serving me, sir.
:salute
Mark
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good news from Iraq != obamaman in the White House
the media is just playing their part by not broadcasting any...
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see, RIch.
See what? You mean this ?http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/war/bushs_iraq_war/news.php?q=1216953070
http://www.metimes.com/Politics/2008/09/04/baghdad_to_take_control_of_sunni_antiqaeda_groups_us/afp/
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=12385
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/11/iraq-war-al-qaeda-extended-3.html
Anbar does seem to be a genuine success story, but it should be noted that the breakthrough there was set in motion before the start of the U.S. surge. A promised $300 million in U.S. aid for the region,
I dont know if, and how much, some of you dont believe me. But its true. And paying them not to fight us is far cheaper then having to fight them.
Course the real problem is trying to yank them off the nipple eventually.
Donzo will never believe me tho will he?
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See what?
He meant, see what you wrote. He was agreeing with you ya goof. :D
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See what? You mean this ?http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/war/bushs_iraq_war/news.php?q=1216953070
http://www.metimes.com/Politics/2008/09/04/baghdad_to_take_control_of_sunni_antiqaeda_groups_us/afp/
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=12385
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/11/iraq-war-al-qaeda-extended-3.html
I dont know if, and how much, some of you dont believe me. But its true. And paying them not to fight us is far cheaper then having to fight them.
Course the real problem is trying to yank them off the nipple eventually.
Donzo will never believe me tho will he?
So we'll eventually pull out the troops and pay them forever? Is this blackmail?
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He finds a way. Like when you HO him in the Main Arena and 200 isn't tuned, he PMs ya :noid :rolleyes:
way to distort one occurance, and fail to mention how incredibly coward your HO in a 1 vs 1 with you all the advantages actually was. :aok
:rolleyes:
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Which is hillarious 'cause he is a ho weenie.
Just sit back and laugh at the hypprocrytes and try not to take them very seriously. They ain't worth it.
hmm u brought lying in here? wow, my ankle must really be attractive to you. :rolleyes:
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So Obama was wrong, too, last night when he admitted the surge worked on the O'Reilly show last night?
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I think maybe Petraeus should be given some credit for this and by extension the men and women serving in Iraq right now. Sure he got lucky because the Sunnis were sick of the problems caused by Al Qaeda and were ripe for turning. But maybe a lucky general is as good as clever general. Away from the soap opera of the Presidential election and the simplistic sniping of the liberals versus conservatives real work is being done on the ground by people who simply get on with the job. Iraq isn't an election issue because neither candidate is particularly tainted by it and McCain has very carefully kept GWB at arms length.
Of course the media don't report it. They don't announce a lack of plane crashes or good weather in New Orleans either. Right or left bad news is grist to the mill of all media outlets.
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I think the men and women serving in Iraq right now should be given some credit for this. Petraeus got lucky because the Sunnis were sick of the problems caused by Al Qaeda and were ripe for turning. But maybe a lucky general is as good as clever general.
Now this, I agree with. :aok
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I think maybe Petraeus should be given some credit for this and by extension the men and women serving in Iraq right now. Sure he got lucky because the Sunnis were sick of the problems caused by Al Qaeda and were ripe for turning. But maybe a lucky general is as good as clever general. Away from the soap opera of the Presidential election and the simplistic sniping of the liberals versus conservatives real work is being done on the ground by people who simply get on with the job. Iraq isn't an election issue because neither candidate is particularly tainted by it and McCain has very carefully kept GWB at arms length.
Of course the media don't report it. They don't announce a lack of plane crashes or good weather in New Orleans either. Right or left bad news is grist to the mill of all media outlets.
In the midst of the surge debate, Bush decided to replace Rumsfeld, who had served as Defense Secretary throughout the war and had long argued that the United States needed "to take the training wheels off the Iraqi government." Bush chose Rumsfeld's replacement, Robert M. Gates, without consulting Vice President Cheney, Rumsfeld's chief patron, the book reports. Bush informed Cheney of his decision on Nov. 6, 2006, the day before the mid-term elections. "Well, Mr. President, I disagree," Cheney is quoted as saying, "but obviously it's your call."
Woodward's account also includes a portrait of Gen. David H. Petraeus, who replaced Casey in Iraq. In one scene in the Oval Office in January 2007, Bush tells his new Iraq commander that the surge is his attempt to "double down." According to Woodward, Petraeus replies, "Mr. President, this is not double down. This is all in."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/washingtonpost/main4417823.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4417823 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/washingtonpost/main4417823.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4417823)
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He meant, see what you wrote. He was agreeing with you ya goof. :D
Now your an internet mindreader? BTW Elfie is kinda a sissy name. :) But its all good bro. Im ok, your ok.
So we'll eventually pull out the troops and pay them forever? Is this blackmail?
Well we still give Egypt about 1 billion a year and have since they made the peace with Israel. We give the Turks about the same and still also pay rent at the NATO bases. The line of failed countries on the American tittie is so long you probably couldnt see the last one if they all lined up. So why not Iraq? There are 64 countries that have recieved American aid for the last 35 years, most have for at least 50 years, and currently there are about 70 including places like North Korea. And to the tune of about 12 billion $$ a year altogether give or take. Tho its probably far more due to the secrecy of some of the aid programs.
And yes, we'll be pouring money into the place to keep the peace probably until the end of our lifetimes.
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way to distort one occurance, and fail to mention how incredibly coward your HO in a 1 vs 1 with you all the advantages actually was. :aok
:rolleyes:
:D :D :D :D
And I'll do it again! It's worth it on 200!
(p.s. I was just messin around :D ) hmm u brought lying in here? wow, my ankle must really be attractive to you. :rolleyes:
And that ankle is MINE! :D :D :noid
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BTW Elfie is kinda a sissy name.
I use some variant of Elf in nearly every game I've ever played online. I do this because of my interest in the fantasy genre. Yes, I played Dungeons and Dragons. :D
It started in AirWarrior, where I first took the name elf91 not realizing I could use the various symbols on my keyboard. I soon changed my name to -Elf-, yet most people just called me Elfie. When I moved to AH the name Elf was already taken and you can't use symbols in your name, so I took the name Elfie. Now most just call me Elf...... :rofl
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Well we still give Egypt about 1 billion a year and have since they made the peace with Israel. We give the Turks about the same and still also pay rent at the NATO bases. The line of failed countries on the American tittie is so long you probably couldnt see the last one if they all lined up. So why not Iraq? There are 64 countries that have recieved American aid for the last 35 years, most have for at least 50 years, and currently there are about 70 including places like North Korea. And to the tune of about 12 billion $$ a year altogether give or take. Tho its probably far more due to the secrecy of some of the aid programs.
And yes, we'll be pouring money into the place to keep the peace probably until the end of our lifetimes.
Screw that, stop all foreign aid to every country except Israel. (From what I understand we actually get our monies worth from them.) We have enough problems here in American, lets use that money here at home to fix our problems.
Heck we could use that money to put into Alternative fuels research, or to reduce our national debt. The possibilities go on and on.
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Screw that, stop all foreign aid to every country except Israel. (From what I understand we actually get our monies worth from them.) We have enough problems here in American, lets use that money here at home to fix our problems.
Heck we could use that money to put into Alternative fuels research, or to reduce our national debt. The possibilities go on and on.
I would love to debate the 'moneys worth from Israel' point... but that'd be a thread-locker fer sure. ;)
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hmm u brought lying in here? wow, my ankle must really be attractive to you. :rolleyes:
Last time we fought you ho'd me.
Blatantly I might add.
Wasn't a snapshot, wasn't an off angle deflection, was a 100% pure weenie ho.
Lying? Who's lying? (except maybe you if you deny that it happened)
Everything I've ever seen you cry about on 200 you do as well. Hence the hypocrite label.
Might I add (yeah, I know I'm wasting my time here, the whole pears and swines thing comes to mind) the whole "ankle" thing got old a couple years ago, along with the "own" bit.
Either come up with some new material (that hasn't already been used to death by others for years preferably), or continue to be the pathetic joke your "persona" has become. (I could not care either way. I find it all sadly hilarious)
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Last time we fought you ho'd me.
Blatantly I might add.
Wasn't a snapshot, wasn't an off angle deflection, was a 100% pure weenie ho.
Lying? Who's lying? (except maybe you if you deny that it happened)
Everything I've ever seen you cry about on 200 you do as well. Hence the hypocrite label.
Might I add (yeah, I know I'm wasting my time here, the whole pears and swines thing comes to mind) the whole "ankle" thing got old a couple years ago, along with the "own" bit.
Either come up with some new material (that hasn't already been used to death by others for years preferably), or continue to be the pathetic joke your "persona" has become. (I could not care either way. I find it all sadly hilarious)
you wanna go there?
I say you are so up ur own arse, that u will take me up on this challenge?
DA
the set
best 3 out of 5, through the set
I garuntee u get spanked like you never knew this game.
<S>
Mark
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you wanna go there?
I say you are so up ur own arse, that u will take me up on this challenge?
DA
the set
best 3 out of 5, through the set
I garuntee u get spanked like you never knew this game.
<S>
Mark
Uhh... I WENT there. What is so difficult for you to understand about what I posted. The truth hurt or something?
And as far as "I garuntee u get spanked like you never knew this game." (you are a TEACHER?) we BOTH know that would not be the case. Yer a good stick. Ya' MIGHT be better than me. But I'm doubtin' by much (if at all), and I could really care less to find out.
MAYBE once your "persona" grows up and you start showing some class (and your age *cough*) I'd be happy to DA ya' like I have many times in the past. (won some, lost some IIRC) Until then you are on the "not worth my time to duel" list as you are indeed not worthy of my time. (and yes, I know the "two sides of SkyRock many have posted about. we've even been on 'good' terms in the past) As I allready stated, "I find it all sadly hilarious". Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike S/R as much as I feel sorry for the guy, but I digress.
Heck, by my even posting this you "won" somewhat. Yer petty unimaginative ego got fed, and I kick myself for even posting or wasting any amount of my time on you.
So my apologies to all for the HiJack, and I will consider this matter "closed".
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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.
Mark Twain
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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.
Mark Twain
That's kinda funny......