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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texasmom on September 05, 2008, 11:01:21 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-540732/First-size-16-girl-reaches-Miss-England-final.html
I just love to see that she was crowned Miss Surrey. So much emphasis is placed on being a perfect size 4. I am so very thankful that I don't have any girls, who I'd have to guide while she runs the teenage gauntlet.
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Um...
Wow.
Having lived in the UK for 2 years, I guess they've finally accepted that the national food is lard-coated lard balls deep fried in lard with a side order of toast dipped in lard.
Seriously, that girl isn't ugly but her caloric intake/burn ratio is a bit high. A little exercise wouldn't hurt because her BMI looks higher than mine and I'm a fatazz.
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Don't get me wrong, starvation-thin girls get far too much attention and many "healthy" women get too much pressure to drop weight. But that girl looks a bit chubby and she looks like she needs some more exercise. Big butt and skinny arms means not enough exercise. She doesn't have nearly enough muscle under her padding, and that just isn't healthy.
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I am so very thankful that I don't have any girls, who I'd have to guide while she runs the teenage gauntlet.
Yes. Yes, you are.
"Chloe added she is delighted to be picked as Miss Surrey: "It's really exciting, I'm really, really happy. I'm lost for words, I started to cry and everything."
Be very, very thankful.
;)
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TEETH! :furious
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I am so very thankful that I don't have any girls, who I'd have to guide while she runs the teenage gauntlet.
I have only 2 girls and had to ask them what the fuss over a size 16 was all about. Don't know it doesn't matter to me what size ## is as long as the person is nice on the inside. :aok
Glad the wife understand the girls, the 4 boys and I just leave the house and go hunting ............. SIMPLE
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her BMI looks higher than mine and I'm a fatazz.
:lol
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I never liked skinny women. I mean the really skinny ones that you see as models and movie stars these days.. the last time people looked like that was during the great depression.
The girl in question looks fine to me.. she had better watch it tho.. she is running to fat and.. she is still young.. it is not hard to imagine her really letting herself go and blimping out to close to 300 lbs.
She looks good now tho.. not like a 12 year old boy with plastic mammaries.
lazs
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I little less than that is....more nimble. Sort of like a Spitfire without the slipper tank and full bombload.
More maneuverable and better looking :devil
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She would look SO much better with 20 kilos off her waist.
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she's beautiful.
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So, 12 stone and 8 pounds is 176 pounds? And she's 5' 10" tall? She's a little heavy, for her body type, maybe 25 pounds. But she's a lot likely to be way more healthy than some of those bulimic/anorexic things you see winning "beauty pageants". I think I read some where before that she does actually work out some at a gym. She's attractive, and shapely, she's neither a stick figure nor an amorphous blob, and she's probably not surgically altered. She's "average" and fairly "normal".
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And she's nifty and nice looking in beachball and sprint :devil
Sorry, at leats 20 lbs over ....
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PR
Imagine all the other contestants who need now need consoling after she beat them.
Not saying she is ugly, but Miss Britain finalist? Please...
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I hear Bill Clinton is following this closely.
(http://img.webring.com/r/m/monica/logo)(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/24/chloe_marshall_lead_narrowweb__300x442,0.jpg)
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like my women like a destroyer, slim, fast, maneuverable. not like a lumbering cargo ship.
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She looks straight out of Little Britain in those sweat pants, all she needs now is a hoody.
Sorry, but I don't see that too heavy is any better than too skinny, and she's past her limit.
"Send that **s right to the gym."
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I'd tap that azz! :aok
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Her teeth are f*** ugly, but size-wise she's about the same as my girlfriend. I think the issue with size #s is that one size doesn't fit all. By that I mean if my girlfriend for example (Ashlee) was any skinnier, it just wouldn't look right. Whereas, one of our friends (Destinee), who is the same height, would look like a lard-bag if she was half Ashlee's size. Its not about the size per-say, its about the proportions.
Ashlee:
(http://a807.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/38/l_cb594c744d629679a925d08e24bd6fde.jpg)
(http://a88.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_2a690a642c16ce09738509d5c8b06d77.jpg)
Destinee:
http://a515.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/l_078f3a47aac561d5a1db5da4fcde3e3a.jpg
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The question I ask to answer the too fat/skinny question is something like this:
Would the person's physical stature be an obstacle in an activity with moderate physical activity/coordination, such as road racing, skydiving or downhill mountainbiking?
If the answer is yes, the person is too fat/skinny. Big doesn't necessarily mean fat. Slim doesn't mean skinny.
This girl would have a problem in all three of the examples. No muscle behind the excess weight, therefore it's useless.
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Serenity
10-15 years from now...................
(http://images.inmagine.com/img/rubberball/rbv012/rbv0120169.jpg)
:noid
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Serenity
10-15 years from now...................
(http://images.inmagine.com/img/rubberball/rbv012/rbv0120169.jpg)
:noid
Who, the brit?
(Trust me, you WANT to mean the brit...)
And, um... not quite. You DO realise that "human" doesn't require you to become fat, right? That the size 0 supermodel isn't the only one who isn't obese?
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She doesn't honestly look that fat, If she were a size four, I bet she'd look like she were about to die...
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eh, she's ok...attractive even. But I wouldnt call her beautiful.
Weight wise she's tolerable now. But in another 10-20 years and its going to be as Cheif Wild Eagle once said.
"IT IS BALLOON!"
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Size 16 in the UK is the equivalent to size 14 in the USA.
She weighs more than me. But there's fat and there's big. She looks more big than fat. Nevertheless a very attractive woman.
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Serenity
10-15 years from now...................
(http://images.inmagine.com/img/rubberball/rbv012/rbv0120169.jpg)
:noid
Hehe.
I'd be willing to bet thats experience talking
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I just reread the link, that girl is 16yrs old! she looks nearer 26. I was thinking maybe its just puppy fat but looking again its not, shes just plain fat. big thumbs down from me :eek:
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How can you be too fat or skinny for "road racing" or skydiving?
She is not too fat for the activities that I would have for her.. Plus.. she could probly move the furniture around by herself.
you could fix the teeth.. even the accent with some time.
lazs
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I bet that the body is a real image with a doll's head shopped onto it.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/momof3terrors/superskinny.jpg)
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Hehe.
I'd be willing to bet thats experience talking
experience, yes
I live in CA, plenty of fat woman here.
Personal? no. I could not live with whale.
Your personal experience?
Laz , there are limits of weight for parachute. Same as size of racing chair
Txmom, you are extremist
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I just reread the link, that girl is 16yrs old! she looks nearer 26. I was thinking maybe its just puppy fat but looking again its not, shes just plain fat. big thumbs down from me :eek:
More cushion for the pushin......wait....I didn't just say that..... :uhoh
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What he said :aok
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I just reread the link, that girl is 16yrs old! she looks nearer 26. I was thinking maybe its just puppy fat but looking again its not, shes just plain fat. big thumbs down from me :eek:
I completely agree. I thought she was fat for a young woman but for a 16 year old girl? She's drastically overweight.
Provided she doesn't have any health problems that cause her to gain weight despite her best efforts to eat well and exercise, she is a just a lazy pig who doesn't eat right. I don't want to be harsh and I'm certainly not suggesting that all women need to be stick-thin super models but there is thin, healthy weight, fat and obese. She's fat and she'll only keep going that way. Weighing that much at that height and age could only make you lethargic and even less willing to be healthy. The "f-k it, I'm already fat" attitude sets in.
Projecting this fatness to be a good standard is not only pathetically lazy, it's a health risk. 16 year old kids should be as fat as middle-aged, post children women.
I'll be honest, I think projecting this as a desirable standard (as they are by having her in a beauty pageant) is disgusting. There is no excuse for an otherwise healthy 16 year old to be that fat. It's stupidity, bad parenting and laziness and it should not be encouraged, let alone idolised.
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well said sir :)
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I completely agree. I thought she was fat for a young woman but for a 16 year old girl? She's drastically overweight.
Provided she doesn't have any health problems that cause her to gain weight despite her best efforts to eat well and exercise, she is a just a lazy pig who doesn't eat right. I don't want to be harsh and I'm certainly not suggesting that all women need to be stick-thin super models but there is thin, healthy weight, fat and obese. She's fat and she'll only keep going that way. Weighing that much at that height and age could only make you lethargic and even less willing to be healthy. The "f-k it, I'm already fat" attitude sets in.
Projecting this fatness to be a good standard is not only pathetically lazy, it's a health risk. 16 year old kids should be as fat as middle-aged, post children women.
I'll be honest, I think projecting this as a desirable standard (as they are by having her in a beauty pageant) is disgusting. There is no excuse for an otherwise healthy 16 year old to be that fat. It's stupidity, bad parenting and laziness and it should not be encouraged, let alone idolised.
How can you know all of this from a photo?
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I completely agree. I thought she was fat for a young woman but for a 16 year old girl? She's drastically overweight.
Provided she doesn't have any health problems that cause her to gain weight despite her best efforts to eat well and exercise, she is a just a lazy pig who doesn't eat right. I don't want to be harsh and I'm certainly not suggesting that all women need to be stick-thin super models but there is thin, healthy weight, fat and obese. She's fat and she'll only keep going that way. Weighing that much at that height and age could only make you lethargic and even less willing to be healthy. The "f-k it, I'm already fat" attitude sets in.
Projecting this fatness to be a good standard is not only pathetically lazy, it's a health risk. 16 year old kids should be as fat as middle-aged, post children women.
I'll be honest, I think projecting this as a desirable standard (as they are by having her in a beauty pageant) is disgusting. There is no excuse for an otherwise healthy 16 year old to be that fat. It's stupidity, bad parenting and laziness and it should not be encouraged, let alone idolised.
You don't want to be harsh? Seriously......
You wanted to be harsh or you wouldn't have typed what you did.
That girl most certainly is not obese by any measure. We can't all meet your standards of weight, we just aren't all built that way.
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How can you know all of this from a photo?
Provided she doesn't have any health problems that cause her to gain weight despite her best efforts to eat well and exercise
I stated that I do not know and argued from a plausible premise that I outlined in my response.
You don't want to be harsh? Seriously......
That girl most certainly is not obese by any measure. We can't all meet your standards of weight, we just aren't all built that way.
I said she was fat and I also said she was not obese. She is fat. Or should I be nice and call fat 'overweight' instead? It's the same thing. It's the category below obese any way you slice it.
They're not my standards, they're medical standards. Look at her and tell me that her BMI is not in the overweight range.
I also said women need not be stick-thin models, who wants that? I disagree with all of the false-idols that are forced on young women (and guys for that matter) just as much as the next person but promoting being fat is not ok.
Don't get upset because I'm a harsh bastid, look at the facts.
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Perhaps I am just an a-rsehole but I'm sick of seeing useless, fat, wallowing pigs waddling around because they're too lazy to get off their slovenly a-rses and exercise and eat the right foods. If nothing else they're a drain on the public health system and I pay taxes for that. Their laziness costs us money that could be spent on more emergency beds in hospitals and things like that. Blah, I'm going to end on an anti-fat tirade if I keep going like this.
I will summarise. Rabbit food diet and hours of working out to have the minimum possible about of body fat is not cool and not reasonable... I totally agree. But the Burger King diet and no exercise what so ever is not ok either. There has to be some balance and being fat is nothing but a lack of self control and laziness in most cases. Why do people feel the need to feel sorry for fat people? They've done it to themselves through bad nutrition and sedentary lifestyles.
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I said she was fat and I also said she was not obese.
Obese is just a nice way of saying fat.
Don't get upset because I'm a harsh hoot, look at the facts.
She might be carrying a few extra pounds, but that is no excuse for you to slam a 16 yr old kid like that from the safety of your keyboard.
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Obese is just a nice way of saying fat.
So is the term "Frumpy" according to my wife.
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Obese is just a nice way of saying fat.
She might be carrying a few extra pounds, but that is no excuse for you to slam a 16 yr old kid like that from the safety of your keyboard.
No, it is not . Obese is classification for a certain level of weight over a normal BMI.
"Obesity is a disease in which excess body fat has accumulated to such an extent that health may be negatively affected.[1] It is commonly defined as a body mass index (weight divided by height squared) of 30 kg/m2 or higher.[1] This distinguishes it from being overweight as defined by a BMI of between 25-29.9 kg/m".
She is not carrying 'a few extra pounds'. Euphamisms won't help her live a healthy life. I'm not slamming anyone, she'll never read this and to be honest, someone should tell her how it is now so that she avoids a life of low self-esteem and medical problems.
A 'cruel to be kind' sort of thing.
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I don't buy the BMI crap, sorry.
At 64" (162.56 cm) and 220 lbs (100 kg) THE BMI charts (and those of the US ARMY) both said "too fat" or obese. I spent half of my military career getting my body fat percentage checked at weigh-in time.
Truth is, I was top 5% of my company in physical fitness tests, and had a resting heart rate of 68 BPM.
Obese? You decide (again from a picture)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Xmas-1.jpg)
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No, it is not . Obese is classification for a certain level of weight over a normal BMI.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah excuses excuses blah blah blah blah blah
Being obese is being fat, period.
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So is the term "Frumpy" according to my wife.
So is pleasantly plump according to mine.
Am I fat? No dear, you are just pleasantly plump.
So I AM fat you lying bastage!! :uhoh
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I'd hit it.
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I applaud her for winning this beauty pagent and I am sure she has many special attributes that contributed to this success. However her weight is an issue seperate from winning the beauty pagent. She is however very overweight.
I am not skinny by any means but at the age of 46 I look better than have the "kids" I see roaming the malls. I exercise 5-6 days a week and eat healthy for the most part. Beer being my biggest vice.
It scares me to think that being obese has become the norm and an acceptable part of society. Working in a hospital I see men and women hospitilized weighing in at 600 or more pounds. Bariatric surgery is the fasted growing field in medicine today. Have we just reached a point where willpower and selfcontrol has been thrown to away to be replaced by pills and surgery? Obesity related health problems dominate our health care system.
To make matters worse these people often end up on Medicare because they can't work anymore and are now a burden on society. YOUR tax dollars hard at work. :mad:
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I don't buy the BMI crap, sorry.
At 64" (162.56 cm) and 220 lbs (100 kg) THE BMI charts (and those of the US ARMY) both said "too fat" or obese. I spent half of my military career getting my body fat percentage checked at weigh-in time.
Truth is, I was top 5% of my company in physical fitness tests, and had a resting heart rate of 68 BPM.
Obese? You decide (again from a picture)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Xmas-1.jpg)
Muscle weighs more than fat so your weight would be higher than the average person because you look you've got a decent amount of muscle mass. BMI is just a guide for average people. If you're above average you will not get accurate results. This is why I never care how much I weigh, muscle mass would make me heavier even I had lost fat.
In the case of the 16 year old girl I suspect that this would no be an issue. :lol
No, it is not . Obese is classification for a certain level of weight over a normal BMI.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah excuses excuses blah blah blah blah blah.
Being obese is being fat, period.
You have got to be joking. What part of the medical definition of a word you're using is an excuse? Do you often adapt your own definitions of words? Don't be silly.
Being obese is fat? Astute observation! Of course it's fat. Obese is FATTER than fat.
[edit: toned down to escape skuzzification]
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I am not skinny by any means but at the age of 46 I look better than have the "kids" I see roaming the malls. I exercise 5-6 days a week and eat healthy for the most part. Beer being my biggest vice.
It scares me to think that being obese has become the norm and an acceptable part of society. Working in a hospital I see men and women hospitilized weighing in at 600 or more pounds. Bariatric surgery is the fasted growing field in medicine today. Have we just reached a point where willpower and selfcontrol has been thrown to away to be replaced by pills and surgery? Obesity related health problems dominate our health care system.
To make matters worse these people often end up on Medicare because they can't work anymore and are now a burden on society. YOUR tax dollars hard at work. :mad:
Bingo!
My thoughts exactly, worded in a more 'sensitive' manner.
Well said, Skyeho. Very well said.
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Seriously, though. If one tries to eat healthy, and exercise, but still has big hips, a big ass, and ample breasts, what do you do?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557329/Size-16-Miss-England-hop-Chloe-checks-competition-bikini-photoshoot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557329/Size-16-Miss-England-hop-Chloe-checks-competition-bikini-photoshoot.html)
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Bingo!
My thoughts exactly, worded in a more 'sensitive' manner.
Well said, Skyeho. Very well said.
That was my response before the beer.
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I don't buy the BMI crap, sorry.
BMI is intended to serve as an indicator of obesity in a SEDENTARY population for statistical purposes. It was never meant to provide a diagnosis of obesity in an individual person and even then, doesn't apply to non-sedentary individuals.
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Seriously, though. If one tries to eat healthy, and exercise, but still has big hips, a big ass, and ample breasts, what do you do?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557329/Size-16-Miss-England-hop-Chloe-checks-competition-bikini-photoshoot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557329/Size-16-Miss-England-hop-Chloe-checks-competition-bikini-photoshoot.html)
From your link. Says it all really.
Chloe told Hello: "I'm a size 16, I eat well, I exercise regularly ? I jog, swim, and work out with weights.
"What I am promoting is a healthy girl who looks after herself and doesn't try to force her body to be something its not."
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I just hated all the "charts" in the Army, period.
When I was an active duty soldier, it was a gross inconvenience. It was obvious that I was in-shape and physically fit with regard to the Army standards, but I always had to wait in the "you may be fat, let's test your body fat percentage" line, also.
IMO, a "good" test is a physical fitness test. If one is out of breath from minimal activity of normal everyday things like climbing stairs, walking to the store, etc., then that might be a good indicator.
I know some fairly "thick" women who are just that....."thick" They play sports, exercise, eat healthy, and still are broad in the shoulders, big-chested, wide-hipped, and have some junk in the trunk.
I DO agree that being lazy, and sedentary is not good.
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If we're gonna talk hot "big girls" then lets talk hot big girls...
Ms. Surry needs to get some orthodontics done...
now these girls are hot...
(http://www.pinuppost.com/wp-photos/20080721-000322-22.jpg)
(http://www.pinuppost.com/wp-photos/20080721-000322-24.jpg)
(http://www.pinuppost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/jami_deadly_1.jpg)
(http://www.pinuppost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/jami_deadly_3.jpg)
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you guys crack me up.. I bet you can't wait for socialized medicine so that you can nag and nanny your fellow citizens with health issues...
Oh wait.. most of you holier than tho guys are already from places with such a system...
they just did a study that said that fat people are often more healthy than skinny ones.
nothing you can do about those teeth tho since she is from a country with socialized medicine.
lazs
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Well, that convinced me ..... not.
It is about healthy, not fat or skinny. There are extremes in both cases. :rolleyes:
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I don't buy the BMI crap, sorry.
At 64" (162.56 cm) and 220 lbs (100 kg) THE BMI charts (and those of the US ARMY) both said "too fat" or obese. I spent half of my military career getting my body fat percentage checked at weigh-in time.
Truth is, I was top 5% of my company in physical fitness tests, and had a resting heart rate of 68 BPM.
Obese? You decide (again from a picture)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Xmas-1.jpg)
Hard as a coffin nail, by the looks of things :O
As for miss surrey, i dont care that she is a bit chunky, she just doesnt have an attractive face for me, and she really does have rabbit teeth.
But...that said....good for her, for being brave enough to even enter the competition.
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I'm guessing Lazs isn't talking at me for once :O... as I'm fond of the "bigger" set.
Healthy is healthy... end of story. :aok
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Your personal experience?
Yup.
My wife when we first hooked up was Not too skinny not too chunky. Most of the guys here would have considered her body HOT.
Now...Not so much.
Obviously there's more to it then just the body as we are still together after 25 years in spite of all our troubles.
But it is both my exerience and observation that most women look good and maintain themselves when they are younger.
Then basically let themselves go to crap.
Not that I look like a greek god either.
But I dont let myself get too out of shape tot he extent many, if not most women do.
If there is one poetic justice in the world its that men usually age much better then women. :rock
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men dont always age better than women, the fact is a 'rough' looking man can still be attractive...ya know...rugged good looks or whatever. where as females tend to be more attractive when they are smooth and clear.
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I completely agree. I thought she was fat for a young woman but for a 16 year old girl? She's drastically overweight.
Provided she doesn't have any health problems that cause her to gain weight despite her best efforts to eat well and exercise, she is a just a lazy pig who doesn't eat right. I don't want to be harsh and I'm certainly not suggesting that all women need to be stick-thin super models but there is thin, healthy weight, fat and obese. She's fat and she'll only keep going that way. Weighing that much at that height and age could only make you lethargic and even less willing to be healthy. The "f-k it, I'm already fat" attitude sets in.
Projecting this fatness to be a good standard is not only pathetically lazy, it's a health risk. 16 year old kids should be as fat as middle-aged, post children women.
I'll be honest, I think projecting this as a desirable standard (as they are by having her in a beauty pageant) is disgusting. There is no excuse for an otherwise healthy 16 year old to be that fat. It's stupidity, bad parenting and laziness and it should not be encouraged, let alone idolised.
Aggreed. She's a 16 year old with the body of as 45 year old.
My own pesonal prefrence for women is varied. From thin. but not bone skinny, to a few extra pounds, even a little chunky depending on the girl and everything in between.
Unless your 6 foot+ tall a size 16 is a Big girl I dont care how old you are.
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Obese is just a nice way of saying fat.
She might be carrying a few extra pounds, but that is no excuse for you to slam a 16 yr old kid like that from the safety of your keyboard.
No. there is fat.
and then there is OBESE.
there definitely is a difference.
That girl was fat. Even thene I would say she is only heavy
The Sexsy Salsa Dancer is OBESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwMLD_4bkLw
:D
BTW, you think that 16 year old frequents these boards much?
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So is the term "Frumpy" according to my wife.
How long were you in trouble for using that term? LMAO
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men dont always age better than women, the fact is a 'rough' looking man can still be attractive...ya know...rugged good looks or whatever. where as females tend to be more attractive when they are smooth and clear.
Like I said. Men age better then women LOL
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visualy maybe, but we die younger too, by average. I just dont think we age better, we just look better old. ah, ok im even confusing myself.
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Why are the "parents" not taken out the back fourty and shot. ???? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwMbJ68IbAM&NR=1
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Well all I can say is it's about time! I'm glad someone bigger than a matchstick has won, makes me so happy :rock
I know exactly what you mean about the teenage girl comment. I'm dreading having to raise Brianna through her teenage years with society the way it is about plus size women. Being on the bigger side myself though I'm hoping it will help her realise that being a size 4 isn't everything and it certainly doesn't make you popular, happy or beautiful.
I hope through my own experience (although I was never a size 4, more a 12) that she can see that big is beautiful too, although I have a hard time believing it, things like this restore my belief ;)
Good on her :aok
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visualy maybe, but we die younger too, by average. I just dont think we age better, we just look better old. ah, ok im even confusing myself.
Studies have shown that single men live longer then married men.
But that married men are much more willing to die ;)
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i believe that one, i'd say my current has taken 5 years off my life already but it's worth every second.
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Ahhh... so is it quality or quantity of life that we are looking for..... Me, I prefer to go sliding into the Pearly Gates saying "Whee what a ride".
I want quality, look good, feel good and get what I want.
Having a significant other is a plus. :devil
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I'm sure all of us here have had a few experiences with those of the opposite sex that were a bit on the heavier side....
They need loving too!! And they'll do things that size 0-4 would never do....(like dress up as Chewbacca on Halloween)
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Reminds me of a CSI episode. :D....
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I'm sure all of us here have had a few experiences with those of the opposite sex that were a bit on the heavier side....
They need loving too!! And they'll do things that size 0-4 would never do....(like dress up as Chewbacca on Halloween)
"I find that intercourse with larger women is just as good and sometimes better then thin ones.
And they are so much more grateful" - Benjamin Franklin
Gotta love Ben. A womanizer into his 80s LMAO
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No. there is fat.
and then there is OBESE.
there definitely is a difference.
...the difference between a net... and a harpoon?
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I'm sure all of us here have had a few experiences with those of the opposite sex that were a bit on the heavier side....
They need loving too!! And they'll do things that size 0-4 would never do....(like dress up as Chewbacca on Halloween)
Oh and Yes I have woken up after a night of hard partying.
Looked at what was laying next to me and said to myself
"OH MY GOD! IT WASN'T A NIGHTMARE!!"
I've also seen a friend or two do it.
I remember on one occasion our buddy Chris suddenly disappeared. Nobody knew where he was.
The next morning we found him upstairs in the neighbors bed with this chick. (the neighbor had passed out downstairs with the rest of us)
Now she wasnt just big. She was ugly to the tenth power.
Like she fell out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down. Then was hit in the face by a speeding freight train ugly.
Miraculous Mutha is a Sports Illustrated cover swimsuit model compared to this chick.
We nudged him and whispered "Chris.CHRIS!"
He opens his eyes. "WTF man. I'm sleeping"
"CHRIS!" We whispered louder
"WHAT??"
My girlfriend, now my wife, puts her finger to her lips "shhhhh" and points next to him
He looks over.
Well...You ever see a cat when it gets startled and jumps about 3 feet straight up in the air?
That was pretty close to the reaction Chris had. The "OH CHIT!!" expression on his face was priceless.
And I have never in my life seen anyone get dressed and beat feet down the stairs and out the door faster then he did.
"If she wakes up and wants to know where I am. Tell her I had to go to work. Tell her I went out of state, Or out of the country.
Tell her anything I dont care. Just dont tell her where I live" (Gotta admit. We were tempted)
Then like a jet ZOOoom-------------------GONE!
Absolutely hilarious. We still bust his chops about it to this day.
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...the difference between a net... and a harpoon?
LMAO
There ya go
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I'm sure all of us here have had a few experiences with those of the opposite sex that were a bit on the heavier side....
They need loving too!! And they'll do things that size 0-4 would never do....(like dress up as Chewbacca on Halloween)
Ehem... there are other things they'll dress up as too... :noid
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-540732/First-size-16-girl-reaches-Miss-England-final.html
I just love to see that she was crowned Miss Surrey. So much emphasis is placed on being a perfect size 4. I am so very thankful that I don't have any girls, who I'd have to guide while she runs the teenage gauntlet.
You've got it all wrong. Perfect is size 8.
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I know exactly what you mean about the teenage girl comment. I'm dreading having to raise Brianna through her teenage years with society the way it is about plus size women. Being on the bigger side myself though I'm hoping it will help her realise that being a size 4 isn't everything and it certainly doesn't make you popular, happy or beautiful.
If the focus healthy eating and appropriate exercise in schooling continues as is already is in schools now, it will be much easier for kids to stay skinny.
For young people, most of which have a fairly decent metabolism, it shouldn't be too difficult to stay at a healthy weight. Some will be skinnier than others, sure, but if kids are armed with a good knowledge of nutrition then the battle to be 'thin' won't be a battle at all.
I wish I knew then the things I knew about food now. My parents always meant well and made sure I had plenty of food but it was largely the wrong sorts of food at the wrong time of day. Luckily, I was a pretty active sort of teenager, so I was relatively skinny but had I known a little more about how to eat, I'd have probably been a bit happier with what shape I was in.
Nutrition should be a mandatory subject in primary school... probably in high school too.
Before I start banging on again, I'll just say that being a healthy weight should be easier for the next generation of teens than the last few generations. We know much more about what we're eating and talk of nutrition is everywhere. I know that my parents didn't have much of an idea about it... it was always the 'growing boys' attitude to food and a mother's need to spoil. So long as the next round of parents know a little more about nutrition, the kids will be better off than ever before.
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"Put - Down - The - Fork!"
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This girl is seriously out of shape especially considering her age. Even moderate physical exercise would probably leave her wasted.
If out-of-shape is the shape of beauty, I'm gonna store that stuff in the vertical archive. The thing is, lots of people have excess fat but are in pretty decent shape and manage to 'carry' their weight gracefully. These people have excellent cardio-vascular systems and are generally pretty tough buggers despite extra fat.
This girl ain't one of 'em, that's all I'm sayin'.
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The only time that most people were the way you socialists say you wanted them was during the great depression of the 30's.. it was because they were not eating as much and they were getting more exercise.
When I was growing up we played outside.. we played hard.. we probly ate as much or more than kids do today but we burned it off.. even so.. many kids were fat.. real fat.
You want people to get thin again.. have a depression or throw away all the TV's and cell phones and computers.
The girl in question was attractive. I wouldn't want her to be much fatter than that but at the weight she is I would expect that she could do about anything that anyone 30 lbs lighter could do since she does seem to get some exercise.
I think those anorexic women that some of you admire are far more unhealthy..
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/when-fat-doesn-26-2339-3bt-equal-unhealthy-236708/
So stop all your PC socialist BS nanny stuff... I really don't want these nannies getting control of the health care system..
after all.. I seen their teeth.
lazs
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Bah, this has absolutely nothing to do with political affiliation Lazs. Sure as hell hasn't got anything with me wanting people to be slim or skinny. The uglier other people are, the better I look.
People are allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies and that suits me just fine. Mountain of muscle, mountain of fat, in between - I don't care.
I just don't find a dough-body attractive. The thought that the person can't really use their body for anything physical, is weak and hampered by girth and weight...it doesn't play well with my ideal so to speak. Carry your weight and it's a different story.
People judge me, I judge them. It's a fair enough game.
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JVX.. I have no problem with the way you look at it. I have seen skinny people who look terrible.. most do in fact.. I have seen skinny people who are slovenly and lazy and out of shape..
I have seen people with a few extra pounds who were in great shape and happy and fun to be around. I care more if they are happy and fun to be around (that includes ability some physical ability) than their weight.
one here even claimed she was too fat at 176 lbs to skydive or ride a bike or drive a car!
I have worked construction with people who were "overweight" who worked hard all day.. a lot harder than some skinny person could.
These skinny women.. they have even screwed up their body rythms.. they are tense and unhappy.. imagine living with that.
lazs
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This girl is seriously out of shape especially considering her age. Even moderate physical exercise would probably leave her wasted.
If you had actually read both links in this thread, you would have known that she watches what she eats, exercises, swims, lifts weights.......her body is what it is.
Roseanne Barr is grossly overweight, this girl isn't even close to that.
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"I find that intercourse with larger women is just as good and sometimes better then thin ones.
And they are so much more grateful" - Benjamin Franklin
Gotta love Ben. A womanizer into his 80s LMAO
We love Ben around here. :aok
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The only time that most people were the way you socialists say you wanted them was during the great depression of the 30's.. it was because they were not eating as much and they were getting more exercise.
When I was growing up we played outside.. we played hard.. we probly ate as much or more than kids do today but we burned it off.. even so.. many kids were fat.. real fat.
You want people to get thin again.. have a depression or throw away all the TV's and cell phones and computers.
The girl in question was attractive. I wouldn't want her to be much fatter than that but at the weight she is I would expect that she could do about anything that anyone 30 lbs lighter could do since she does seem to get some exercise.
I think those anorexic women that some of you admire are far more unhealthy..
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/when-fat-doesn-26-2339-3bt-equal-unhealthy-236708/
So stop all your PC socialist BS nanny stuff... I really don't want these nannies getting control of the health care system..
after all.. I seen their teeth.
lazs
Agreed :aok
(Well, except for the political part...)
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The only time that most people were the way you socialists say you wanted them was during the great depression of the 30's.. it was because they were not eating as much and they were getting more exercise.
When I was growing up we played outside.. we played hard.. we probly ate as much or more than kids do today but we burned it off.. even so.. many kids were fat.. real fat.
You want people to get thin again.. have a depression or throw away all the TV's and cell phones and computers.
The girl in question was attractive. I wouldn't want her to be much fatter than that but at the weight she is I would expect that she could do about anything that anyone 30 lbs lighter could do since she does seem to get some exercise.
I think those anorexic women that some of you admire are far more unhealthy..
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/when-fat-doesn-26-2339-3bt-equal-unhealthy-236708/
So stop all your PC socialist BS nanny stuff... I really don't want these nannies getting control of the health care system..
after all.. I seen their teeth.
lazs
I love how to put down the 'Liberal PC' crowd (which, is actually 100% in line with your train of thought) you linked to a blog made by someone who is most likely an extremely PC liberal.
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I would break if she sat on me.
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JVX.. I have no problem with the way you look at it. I have seen skinny people who look terrible.. most do in fact.. I have seen skinny people who are slovenly and lazy and out of shape..
I have seen people with a few extra pounds who were in great shape and happy and fun to be around. I care more if they are happy and fun to be around (that includes ability some physical ability) than their weight.
one here even claimed she was too fat at 176 lbs to skydive or ride a bike or drive a car!
I have worked construction with people who were "overweight" who worked hard all day.. a lot harder than some skinny person could.
These skinny women.. they have even screwed up their body rythms.. they are tense and unhappy.. imagine living with that.
lazs
you'd be surprsed at what us skinny people can do.
amd the tense unhappy sinny women you mention......probably some other problem. i've never seen a woman unhappy because she doesn't weigh enough..
that being said, the ex wife was 5'2 at 140.......nicely chunky, and loved every second with her.
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why is she your ex wife then?
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why is she your ex wife then?
it was over 20 years ago...and sex was the only thing that was holding us together........other than that we seemed to dissagree on too many things.
we are still friends now though.
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why is she your ex wife then?
His new girl is 5'8" 115 and a size 4.....
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His new girl is 5'8" 115 and a size 4.....
:rofl :rofl
actually, my new girl for awhile was a 5' phillipine girl.....110 or so.
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I get tired of the fat/skinny argument. The issue is body fat. Lazs says many kids where fat when he and the flintstones played w/Dino. This is bull sh it. We have a obeseity epidemic now. I see way more chubbed out kids than I ever went to school with. The kids that where chubby w/my generation did all the same things we did..they where just bigger. Now... you have lard tulips who idea of excercise is a Mofo-ing Wii.
Its so PC correct to say being fat is okay. Its like watching a Opra show and seeing the fat women cry that her hubby doesnt wanna bag her anymore and left her for the younger hottie w/the slimmer bod and more functional brain. Booo f u ing hooo.... lose some wieght.
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I get tired of the fat/skinny argument. The issue is body fat. Lazs says many kids where fat when he and the flintstones played w/Dino. This is bull sh it. We have a obeseity epidemic now. I see way more chubbed out kids than I ever went to school with. The kids that where chubby w/my generation did all the same things we did..they where just bigger. Now... you have lard tulips who idea of excercise is a Mofo-ing Wii.
Its so PC correct to say being fat is okay. Its like watching a Opra show and seeing the fat women cry that her hubby doesnt wanna bag her anymore and left her for the younger hottie w/the slimmer bod and more functional brain. Booo f u ing hooo.... lose some wieght.
well, i'm 46...graduated in 1980.
i think i can count all of the fat kids in my highschool on one hand.
when we were more active, we were all thinner.
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Kinda like a moped...
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when we were kids we were outside from sun up until suppertime, and there were no fat kids we were far too active to gain weight
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Kinda like a moped...
Fun to ride, but you wouldn't be caught dead by your friends riding one? :rofl
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Lazs, I am fascinated by your ability to see oppressive liberal threats to your personal liberties everywhere you look. :)
What is the argument here? What's to discuss?
1. Excercise & eat well = look good & feel good. Healthy body.
1. Don't excercise & eat McDonald's all day = look bad & feel bad. Unhealthy body.
Sure, you can have a few extra pounds still be fit. You cannot have a lot of extra pounds and still claim to be fit (and I think this girl is a mild case of this). If you really are excercising frequently and properly, and eating properly, usually you just don't look like that without a slow metabolism or medical condition.
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when we were kids we were outside from sun up until suppertime, and there were no fat kids we were far too active to gain weight
YEP.
my grandparents rules were that we had to be in by the time the street lights came on.
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PC socialist BS nanny stuff etc.
just brilliant :rofl
now i'm waiting for Steve to come along and find a way to blame obesity/anorexia/discussing it on gun control :D
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Lazs, I am fascinated by your ability to see oppressive liberal threats to your personal liberties everywhere you look. :)
Especially on subjects where he has a liberal viewpoint :lol
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YEP.
my grandparents rules were that we had to be in by the time the street lights came on.
We came in at lunch in the winter to dry off our clothes from sleding or sking and eat. In summer when it began to get dark. I don't remember ever seeing any fat kids in school. We were far too busy to sit and play video games all day.
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I get tired of the fat/skinny argument. The issue is body fat. Lazs says many kids where fat when he and the flintstones played w/Dino. This is bull sh it. We have a obeseity epidemic now. I see way more chubbed out kids than I ever went to school with. The kids that where chubby w/my generation did all the same things we did..they where just bigger. Now... you have lard tulips who idea of excercise is a Mofo-ing Wii.
Its so PC correct to say being fat is okay. Its like watching a Opra show and seeing the fat women cry that her hubby doesnt wanna bag her anymore and left her for the younger hottie w/the slimmer bod and more functional brain. Booo f u ing hooo.... lose some wieght.
While a wii probably isn't going to lead to much weight loss I went to school with a guy who was probably 250-275 all the way through school.
I ran into him a while ago and was dumbfounded. He was 160 or 170 I'd say. Completely different. I asked what happened?!?!?
He simply replied a really really bad Dance Dance Revolutuion addiction. Video game induced weight loss, creepy!
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I get tired of the fat/skinny argument. The issue is body fat. Lazs says many kids where fat when he and the flintstones played w/Dino. This is bull sh it. We have a obeseity epidemic now. I see way more chubbed out kids than I ever went to school with. The kids that where chubby w/my generation did all the same things we did..they where just bigger. Now... you have lard tulips who idea of excercise is a Mofo-ing Wii.
Its so PC correct to say being fat is okay. Its like watching a Opra show and seeing the fat women cry that her hubby doesnt wanna bag her anymore and left her for the younger hottie w/the slimmer bod and more functional brain. Booo f u ing hooo.... lose some wieght.
batdog nailed it. :aok
This country is in serious denial. Most of us are fat, and many of us are disgustingly obese. We've been taught to blame McDonald's, Global Warming, El Niņo, Space Aliens, The Government, whatever :rolleyes: , but the truth is we alone decide what and how much we stuff down our throats. I was a kid in the 60's and 70's. We had maybe one fat kid in our class, the rest of us being typical active, wiry kids. Comparing those kids to the kids of today is a no-brainer. Today's kids (and their parents) are significantly heavier.
Skyeho mentioned the explosive growth of Bariatric medicine earlier. Stop and think about it. How twittle'd up have we become when one of the most rapidly growing fields in medicine is there strictly to deal with what was once a relative rarity?
Whether we want to admit it or not, americans are overweight, and it's becoming a burden on all of us, whether it's our own health, the health of our family members, or the growing ranks of the "self-disabled" who need (demand) to be taken care of.
If I sound unsympathetic, you're absolutely right. My little sister was a nurse until one of these nasty fat-azzes "coded" (heart attack) while she was trying to get her back into bed. The lady weighed over 400 lbs and fell right on top of my sister. Now she's on permanent disability with a titanium cage holding two of her damaged vertabrae together. She'll be on powerful pain medication for the rest of her life. Unsympathetic is an understatement.
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We came in at lunch in the winter to dry off our clothes from sleding or sking and eat. In summer when it began to get dark. I don't remember ever seeing any fat kids in school. We were far too busy to sit and play video games all day.
Why the Hell aren't you studying?
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Careful, not only am I not studying I am practicing my backswing. :rolleyes:
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Now, I'm not advocating fat, flabby, or obese, but.............
Curves do not have to mean fat.
Most guys out there are intimidated by a righteous booty, or wouldn't know what to do with one if it was shaken in their face, anyhow.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/pinkmodel-1.jpg)
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You are all entitled to your opinions on what type of body you prefer to have (I am considered slim) and what type of a body you want on your sexual partners (I prefer a few extra pounds and some curves) but....
Other than that.. any other opinion is indeed political.. it is none of your business.. when you say it is an "epidemic" or that worse.. when you say that fat people cost you money... You are indeed getting very deeply into the realm of the political.
Socialized medicine in this country will be the first step in all of you nannies getting to make the fat people tow the line. One more area for you to flaunt your superior and caring attitude "for their own good".
lazs
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Socialized medicine in this country will be the first step in all of you nannies getting to make the fat people tow the line. One more area for you to flaunt your superior and caring attitude "for their own good".
lazs
Comically, socialized medicine in England has turned to... *GASP* DA EEEBAL CORPORATIONS!#(*& to help get nurses to shave off some pounds. They're now basically bribing people to lose weight.
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Socialized medicine in this country will be the first step in all of you nannies getting to make the fat people tow the line. One more area for you to flaunt your superior and caring attitude "for their own good".
lazs
Sure, it's political. Why should I pay taxes that go towards a fat person's weight-related corrective surgery? I don't expect him to pay if I get lung cancer because I'm a smoker. I don't like being forced to pay taxes that go towards medical treatments for preventable illnesses.
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Sure, it's political. Why should I pay taxes that go towards a fat person's weight-related corrective surgery? I don't expect him to pay if I get lung cancer because I'm a smoker. I don't like being forced to pay taxes that go towards medical treatments for preventable illnesses.
You will not have lung cancer :noid
You will not be allowed to smoke :noid
You will eat what the gov't says you will eat. :noid
OMG I sound like Lazs :noid
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You are all entitled to your opinions on what type of body you prefer to have (I am considered slim) and what type of a body you want on your sexual partners (I prefer a few extra pounds and some curves) but....
Other than that.. any other opinion is indeed political.. it is none of your business.. when you say it is an "epidemic" or that worse.. when you say that fat people cost you money... You are indeed getting very deeply into the realm of the political.
Socialized medicine in this country will be the first step in all of you nannies getting to make the fat people tow the line. One more area for you to flaunt your superior and caring attitude "for their own good".
lazs
If I think some is a lardarse. Its because I think they are a lardarse. There is noting political about my feelings other then in being political in not saying what I'm thinking. ;)
And yes I know its non of my business.
But like it or not Laz. They do cost you and me money. With socialized medicine or without.
On the socialized medicine side we have government funding in hospitals. Which of course I dont have to tell you about.
On the other end we have insurance companies who continually raise their premiums. They nab you for what they perceive as obesity ralated ailments.
Diabetes, Heart attacks as well as everything else everyone is doing
So unless you dont have health insurance. (which would be a very foolish thing)
Your paying for it either way.
The amusing thing about the insurance companies is they tend to be reluctant to cover surgery to correct Obesity. Like gastric bypass. Which long term would save them, and you and I money.
But wait. It gets even more amusing.
They all use CDC studies to determine how much Obesity costs are. And thus in the end howthey determine how much it should cost you and I.
Problem there is CDC studied may be overstated.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/cdcbadstats.htm
( I just handed you a nugget here Laz)
Course it wont stop government funded hospitals. And the insurance companies from charging you and I for it anyway.
Hmm I wonder if they could possibly be overstating anything else.
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You are all entitled to your opinions on what type of body you prefer to have (I am considered slim) and what type of a body you want on your sexual partners (I prefer a few extra pounds and some curves) but....
Other than that.. any other opinion is indeed political.. it is none of your business.. when you say it is an "epidemic" or that worse.. when you say that fat people cost you money... You are indeed getting very deeply into the realm of the political.
Socialized medicine in this country will be the first step in all of you nannies getting to make the fat people tow the line. One more area for you to flaunt your superior and caring attitude "for their own good".
lazs
This is not about government control or socialized medicine, it is about the fact that I don't want to pay for someone to be sitting on his or her butt at my expense because he or she cannot control how much food they stuff in their mouth. Healthy is healthy, not fat or too skinny for that matter.
I have heard people complain because the airlines are making obese passengers buy two seats. O well, if your butt intrudes into my purchased space then you better pay for it. Hospitals now have to have a certain amount of obese beds to accommodate obese patients. Most of these patients are on Medicaid due to health realted issues. (Gee, I wonder who pays for that?).
Take care of yourself, so you don't become my problem too. :mad:
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you all live in a country that taxes the population for whatever it deems worthy, it's our own fault. Start a global revolution or sthu, basicaly.
:D
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Sadly, I can't argue there.
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If you had actually read both links in this thread, you would have known that she watches what she eats, exercises, swims, lifts weights.......her body is what it is.
Roseanne Barr is grossly overweight, this girl isn't even close to that.
You can 'watch what you eat' all you want. If you don't know what you're doing, it won't make a difference.
What percentage of people have absolutely no clue what a healthy diet is? '99% fat free' doesn't mean a thing. To some people, that's all 'watching what they eat' consists of.
If she's excercising every day, eating properly and she's still that big there's something wrong with her and she should see a doctor.
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If she's excercising every day, eating properly and she's still that big there's something wrong with her and she should see a doctor.
:rofl
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I prefer a few extra pounds and some curves
I think laz would be in heaven in the middle of a rap video :rofl
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/like2clubb/Ghetto20Booty20-20Rap20Video1.gif)
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LOL.. listen to you guys.. it is your business if a fat person costs you money? what.. are they robbing you at gunpoint or something?
Without socialism they can't cost you a cent.. they should pay more for insurance.. they can die early.. any of a number of things but.. they don't cost you squat. not unless socialism is involved.
Airlines could make a seat that would not allow anyone with a waist over say...27".. you "fatsos" at 28 inch would not be able to fly. or.. they could make some seats bigger and charge more for em..or.. charge everyone and spread the pain and then not be competitive and go out of business..
Not with socialism tho.. with socialism they would be forced to have a certain amount of fat seats.. all airlines.. they would all have to charge more. you of course.. would have no choice.
Dred.. you didn't read what I said.. I told you that you had every right to hate and make fun of fat people.. you simply had no right to tell em what to eat or how to lose (or gain) weight.
anorexic people cost everyone money under socialism.. skydivers and general aviation people cost everyone money under socialism.. people who like to swim cost us all money under socialism..
None of these things would cost us a cent without socialism. It would be between them and their insurance or bank.
lazs
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Careful, not only am I not studying I am practicing my backswing. :rolleyes:
:rofl
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<snip stuff about socialism and tie-in with costs>
anorexic people cost everyone money under socialism.. skydivers and general aviation people cost everyone money under socialism.. people who like to swim cost us all money under socialism..
None of these things would cost us a cent without socialism. It would be between them and their insurance or bank.
lazs
You're right on the mark here. As long as there is a cost that's passed along, the government will have to do a couple of things. One is to raise money which means heavier taxation. Another is to attempt to minimize costs - which, in this country, means laws against activities that ought to be one's own business. Forbid the activities, lower the costs. Then use surplus money on some blackhole project.
The upside of social-capitalistic systems are an extensive security net and the opportunity even for those who've either made huge mistakes or been unfortunate in their choice of parents to actually create a good life. Of course the percentage of people that seizes the opportunity provided is relatively low, given that a comfy life is provided anyway.
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None of these things would cost us a cent without socialism. It would be between them and their insurance or bank.
lazs
Actually I did get what you said.
I just didnt want you lumping me in with those that think there should be some sort of law or something preventing them from eating themselves to death.
On the other hand. what I was saying was be it through federal funding.
Or our insurance premiums.
The money for their obesity comes out of our pockets either way.
What are insurance companies other then privately owned social programs.
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None of these things would cost us a cent without socialism. It would be between them and their insurance or bank.
lazs
when insurance pays, they raise rates.....everyones........
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None of these things would cost us a cent without socialism. It would be between them and their insurance or bank.
lazs
when insurance pays, they raise rates.....everyones........
Exactly my point.
One way or the other,. no matter if we like it or dont.
We are all involved in socialized health care.
Unless you have the VERY deep pockets to pay 100% of your own way no matter what happens.
As many of us know first hand. Medical bills can add up to the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars VERY quickly and without warning.
Unless you figure nothing will ever happen to you.
Then again. I never figured on contracting Hodgkins disease 15 years ago. Nor did my brother in law figure on getting Legionnaires disease 6 months ago. Nor did my mother in law currently dieing from bladder cancer and basically being gutted like a fish with all her female organs removed as well as her bladder ever figure she might contract that or have to go through that.
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What are insurance companies other then privately owned social programs.
Well, if they actually paid on a policy without 14 denials and a threat of a lawsuit, that would be true. What 'insurance companies' have become is something more along the lines of thieving rat bastard cretin corporations designed to fleece the public with minimum risk and maximum return to their 'shareholders' who; for the most part are just enjoying the 'wow' factor of getting rich on scaring folks into betting against themselves... twice.
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Well, if they actually paid on a policy without 14 denials and a threat of a lawsuit, that would be true. What 'insurance companies' have become is something more along the lines of thieving rat bastard cretin corporations designed to fleece the public with minimum risk and maximum return to their 'shareholders' who; for the most part are just enjoying the 'wow' factor of getting rich on scaring folks into betting against themselves... twice.
:salute YOu said it. It is a business run at the expense of our trust in them. I have two sons with medical issues and fight the insurance company every month to get them paid.