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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on September 16, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
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Before it was the "swift boat veterans" for the truth which turned out to be nothing but lies.. Now comes "The Clarion Fund" mass mailing a scare tactic DVD titled "Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west" which apparently has been sent to registered voters in swing states. I just received one in the mail today unsolicited.
By law a 501 group can not give donations, endorse or oppose a political candidate. Yet this group on the groups own website http://www.radicalislam.org/ there was an article backing McCain until it was pulled for breaking the law. I'm quite sure these guys have done their best to distance themselves from the "GOP" officially, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where their support came from.
It's pretty pathetic how low the Republican party with stoop to lie & cheat their way into the white house. So much for that "change" McSame talks about. Even McSame himself is continuing his lies about Obama in commercials that have already been proved to be lies but who cares right? As long as to moron sheep believe it, who cares if it's a lie or not right?
Quite ironic that this group is also pushing the "bad for America" corn for fuel as well..
I guess it was perfect timing, that this columnist who was a McSame supporter wrote this article today..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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It's a shame the Democratic Majority Congress has destroyed the Economy, but somehow Bush is blamed. :uhoh
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It's a shame the Democratic Majority Congress has destroyed the Economy, but somehow Bush is blamed. :uhoh
right....
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Crock, you're one funny dude. I could watch you squirm all day. :aok
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Crockett has nightmares that Sarah Palin is grinding a stiletto heel into him while McCain just laughs.
Seriously, the dude has issues.
Funny how the demodummies ignore that changes to the financial laws the Clinton administration put in place that had a very real role in economic problems of today.
Interestingly, if someone does just a little research, the US economy was doing incredibly well right up until the democrats took over control of Congress. I guess Pelosi's ugly just screwed watermelon up.
Harry Reid is busy trying to find someone to surrender to, he should have been a Frenchman.
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Crock, you're one funny dude. I could watch you squirm all day. :aok
So in other words you support this kind of activity in our politics? As long as it's "your" guy right?
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Crockett has nightmares that Sarah Palin is grinding a stiletto heel into him while McCain just laughs.
Seriously, the dude has issues.
Funny how the demodummies ignore that changes to the financial laws the Clinton administration put in place that had a very real role in economic problems of today.
Interestingly, if someone does just a little research, the US economy was doing incredibly well right up until the democrats took over control of Congress. I guess Pelosi's ugly just screwed watermelon up.
Harry Reid is busy trying to find someone to surrender to, he should have been a Frenchman.
Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.
The econemy was running on bandaids.. but of course it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple minded.
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Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.
The econemy was running on bandaids.. but of course it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple minded.
I guess it is easy to do the head-in-sand act and ignore the plain and simple facts. Do the research young man, if you don't fear learning the truth. It might rock your cocoon.
And you must be trying to make us laugh, alluding to Palin not being qualified. In the history of the USA, there has never been a less qualified candidate in a Presidential election than O'bama. He has ZERO qualifications. He didn't even accomplish anything as a "community organizer". WTF?
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right....
Prove me wrong.
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By law a 501 group can not give donations, endorse or oppose a political candidate. Yet this group on the groups own website http://www.radicalislam.org/ there was an article backing McCain until it was pulled for breaking the law. I'm quite sure these guys have done their best to distance themselves from the "GOP" officially, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where their support came from.
What is a 501 group? How do we know they intentionally broke the law or if it was merely an honest oversight on someone's part? And what do you mean by the part in bold?
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Prove me wrong.
lol it doesn't matter what I'd show you, you would still stick your head in a hole along with dago, so why should I bother and waste my time?
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i wonder how many threads will be started, :noid
so that we can read the same ol lame stuff, :confused:
by the same people :furious
till they think we will buy the snake oil there selling :cool:
i know, lets just agree with them,
so that we might get a moment of peace and quite, :pray
while they pick there jaws up off the floor :O
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So in other words you support this kind of activity in our politics? As long as it's "your" guy right?
That clearly is good enough for you. How about taking the lead instead of embodying the worst of what you accuse others of?
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lol it doesn't matter what I'd show you, you would still stick your head in a hole along with dago, so why should I bother and waste my time?
Checkmate.
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lol it doesn't matter what I'd show you, you would still stick your head in a hole along with dago, so why should I bother and waste my time?
Since you are making a habit out of making ignorant statements on this board, speaking from a position of complete oblivion, the time being wasted is ours if we read your nonsense.
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Funny how the demodummies ignore that changes to the financial laws the Clinton administration put in place that had a very real role in economic problems of today.
If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
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Prove me wrong.
he can't and knows it.
if he does try he'll just prove you correct.
(which is the funny part)
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What is a 501 group? How do we know they intentionally broke the law or if it was merely an honest oversight on someone's part? And what do you mean by the part in bold?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
"Organizations with this classification are prohibited from conducting political campaign activities to influence elections to public office. Public charities (but not private foundations[citation needed]) are permitted to conduct a limited amount of lobbying to influence legislation. Although the law states that "no substantial part" of a public charity's activities may be devoted to lobbying, charities with very large budgets may lawfully expend a million dollars (under the "expenditure" test) or more (under the "substantial part" test) per year on lobbying. [7]
All 501(c)(3) organizations are also permitted to educate individuals about issues, or fund research that supports their political position without overtly advocating for a position on a specific bill. Think tanks such as the Cato Institute, Center for American Progress, and Heritage Foundation and other 501(c)(3) organizations produce reports and recommendations on policy proposals that do not count as lobbying under the tax code. Another example is the The American Foreign Policy Council is a lobbyist organization operating under this code.
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Checkmate.
Checkmate? Are you kidding me? He drools and you lick it up? :rolleyes:
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lol it doesn't matter what I'd show you, you would still stick your head in a hole along with dago, so why should I bother and waste my time?
Strange, haven't we heard this sort of reply before....................... ..................? It seems to be very familiar..................... .......... :rolleyes:
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That clearly is good enough for you. How about taking the lead instead of embodying the worst of what you accuse others of?
I've never supported lies. I've posted rumors but that's far from a lie and in fact the only Rumor I've posted about was Palin daughter being prego and that turned out to be true.
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Since you are making a habit out of making ignorant statements on this board, speaking from a position of complete oblivion, the time being wasted is ours if we read your nonsense.
Then why are you replying in this topic?
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If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
He signed the bill~I could come up with cloning terrorists in congress, and if Clinton signed it, buck stops there....
The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass-Steagall since at least the 1980's....guess the lobbists finally got an idiot to sign the bill. :lol
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If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
Actually Clinton "signed" the bill it was sponsored by Republicans. The part that caused the the current problems were hidden deep in the 40 thousand pages of legislation.
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counted ten so far , and only went back too the 2nd page!
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Strange, haven't we heard this sort of reply before....................... ..................? It seems to be very familiar..................... .......... :rolleyes:
I've never given that reply.. I've also posted with supporting facts.. However I'm tired of wasting my time proving something to someone. If he wasn't the info he can look it up him self. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm quite sure he's capable of using google and doesn't need me to hold his hand.
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He signed the bill~I could come up with cloning terrorists in congress, and if Clinton signed it, buck stops there....
The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass-Steagall since at least the 1980's....guess the lobbists finally got an idiot to sign the bill. :lol
Funny how when it's bad for Clinton then it's all his fault and not the Republicans who were in control of the Senate & congress who actually "wrote" the legislation. Yet if you talk about the budget, then of course it was all due to the Republican congress and Clinton was just along for the ride..
you guys spin so much I'm amazed you can still stand up.
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If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
Yes, it was entirely the Republicans fault! Burn the witches!!
REPUBLICANS FOR (52): Abraham, Allard, Ashcroft, Bennett, Brownback, Bond, Bunning, Burns, Campbell, Chafee, Cochran, Collins, Coverdell, Craig, Crapo, DeWine, Domenici, Enzi, Frist, Gorton, Gramm (Tex.), Grams (Minn.), Grassley, Gregg, Hegel, Hatch, Helms, Hutchinson (Ark.), Hutchison (Tex.), Inhofe, Jeffords, Kyl, Lott, Lugar, Mack, McConnell, Murkowski, Nickles, Roberts, Roth, Santorum, Sessions, Smith (N.H.), Smith (Ore.), Snowe, Specter, Stevens, Thomas, Thompson, Thurmond, Voinovich and Warner.
DEMOCRATS FOR (38): Akaka, Baucus, Bayh, {{{{BIDEN}}}}, Bingaman, Breaux, Byrd, Cleland, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Durbin, Edwards, Feinstein, Graham (Fla.), Hollings, Inouye, Johnson, Kennedy, Kerrey (Neb.), Kerry (Mass.), Kohl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Moynihan, Murray, Reed (R.L), Reid (Nev.), Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer, Torricelli and Wyden.
REPUBLICANS AGAINST(1): Shelby.
DEMOCRATS AGAINST(7): Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone.
NOT VOTING: 2
REPUBLICANS (2): Fitzgerald (voted present) and {{{{MCCAIN}}}}
To cut to the chase 52 Repubs & 38 Demos voted for it. 1 Repub and 7 Demos voted against it. 2 Repubs didn't vote either yay or nay.
In short, it was passed overwhelmingly by both parties.
But don't let history bother you... go on being wrong.
Oh, yeah.... one other thing: Go ahead, be a maroon. Vote for Obama or McCain and get a longer, fatter Federal Nanny State shoved up your axe.
Unless you're smart enough to vote Libertarian, that is.
What? You say the Libertarians can't win?
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. Henry Ford
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Yet the current economy is all due to the Dem congress... funny stuff.
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Yes, it was entirely the Republicans fault! Burn the witches!!
Who sponsored the bill Toad?
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If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
Everyone is at fault for repealing Glass-Steagall, the bill sponsor, Clinton for singing the stupid thing, but even more so, every retard that voted for it.
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Just because you have a keyboard does not mean you should post topics. ;)
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Who passed the bill MT?
DEMOCRATS FOR (38): Akaka, Baucus, Bayh, BIDEN, Bingaman, Breaux, Byrd, Cleland, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Durbin, Edwards, Feinstein, Graham (Fla.), Hollings, Inouye, Johnson, Kennedy, Kerrey (Neb.), Kerry (Mass.), Kohl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Moynihan, Murray, Reed (R.L), Reid (Nev.), Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer, Torricelli and Wyden.
DEMOCRATS AGAINST(7): Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone.
Hey, see anybody in there that has/had aspirations to run for the Executive Branch? :rofl
It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.
MT, I accept your apology. I know it must sting.
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Who passed the bill MT?
Hey, see anybody in the that has/had aspirations to run for the Executive Branch? :rofl
It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.
MT, I accept your apology. I know it must sting.
That's exactly it Toad, doesn't matter who sponsored it. Ninety morons voted yes on it. Those ninety morons should have told the bill sponsor to go suck an egg but they didn't. And with 90 Senators voting yes, it was pretty pointless for Clinton to veto it.
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Oh... I forgot this:
VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
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Who sponsored the bill Toad?
Oh but that's diffrent you know...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
"Organizations with this classification are prohibited from conducting political campaign activities to influence elections to public office. Public charities (but not private foundations[citation needed]) are permitted to conduct a limited amount of lobbying to influence legislation. Although the law states that "no substantial part" of a public charity's activities may be devoted to lobbying, charities with very large budgets may lawfully expend a million dollars (under the "expenditure" test) or more (under the "substantial part" test) per year on lobbying. [7]
All 501(c)(3) organizations are also permitted to educate individuals about issues, or fund research that supports their political position without overtly advocating for a position on a specific bill. Think tanks such as the Cato Institute, Center for American Progress, and Heritage Foundation and other 501(c)(3) organizations produce reports and recommendations on policy proposals that do not count as lobbying under the tax code. Another example is the The American Foreign Policy Council is a lobbyist organization operating under this code.
First, your link isn't working correctly. Second, this information doesn't really say *what* a 501 group is.
Another question that comes to mind is, how do we know this particular group is in fact a 501 group?
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Everyone is at fault for repealing Glass-Steagall, the bill sponsor, Clinton for singing the stupid thing, but even more so, every retard that voted for it.
Actually the bill overall wasn't bad. I posted info about it in another topic. Some of the good things, was it gave more power back to the states for insurance regulation. It also made ATM vendors post their fees on their machines something they didn't have to do before then, allowing them to charge what ever they wanted with out knowing.
there was also a lot of things that helped out the banking and insurance markets allowing them easier access to loans a much easier ways to do things with out all the red tape. Overall the bill was looked at as good by just about everyone because it over all was. The problem came from many of the hidden things that allowed for the total deregulation on many parts of the lending industry which has caused the mess we are in today.
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Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.
Apparently over 50% of the nation "has problems".
Keep grasping for straws liberal.
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I've posted rumors but that's far from a lie..
hey, this is fun!
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First, your link isn't working correctly. Second, this information doesn't really say *what* a 501 group is.
Another question that comes to mind is, how do we know this particular group is in fact a 501 group?
dunno why the link didn't work.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
likely because it uses (c) in it.. Just do a search on google for "501 organization"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_en&q=501+organization
As for how I know they are a 501 group, is because they themself claim they are.
http://clarionfund.org/
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The problem came from many of the hidden things that allowed for the total deregulation on many parts of the lending industry which has caused the mess we are in today.
Hidden? Are you claiming that text was left out of the bill as presented to the Senators? Or are you saying that our Senators <gasp> can't read simple English? Or that our Senator's <GASP!> don't completely read the bills they vote upon?
Or... wait.... this was all an evil plot by the neocons and they used a type of ink that is only visible in a certain wavelength of light so that only the inner circle of Skull & Bones could read the hidden provisions? That MUST be it!!! Where was Bush2 in all this? He had to have a hand in this skullduggery.
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Actually the bill overall wasn't bad. I posted info about it in another topic. Some of the good things, was it gave more power back to the states for insurance regulation. It also made ATM vendors post their fees on their machines something they didn't have to do before then, allowing them to charge what ever they wanted with out knowing.
there was also a lot of things that helped out the banking and insurance markets allowing them easier access to loans a much easier ways to do things with out all the red tape. Overall the bill was looked at as good by just about everyone because it over all was. The problem came from many of the hidden things that allowed for the total deregulation on many parts of the lending industry which has caused the mess we are in today.
Ever hear the phrase, a few bad apples spoils the entire barrel? Sounds like in the case of this bill, a few bad apples spoiled the entire barrel. It still shouldn't have been passed with the deregulation issues.
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there was also a lot of things that helped out the banking and insurance markets allowing them easier access to loans a much easier ways to do things with out all the red tape. Overall the bill was looked at as good by just about everyone because it over all was. The problem came from many of the hidden things that allowed for the total deregulation on many parts of the lending industry which has caused the mess we are in today.
Yah.. without rapacious limits like regulations the banks helped themselves to the public's money, failed and got helped out by the public's money. Duh.
Greed. Democratic, Republican, Corporate greed. Get over it crockett. Yer boys are just as dirty as the other teams.
Now, the real question is; what's the Fed really up to?
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dunno why the link didn't work.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
likely because it uses (c) in it.. Just do a search on google for "501 organization"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_en&q=501+organization
As for how I know they are a 501 group, is because they themself claim they are.
http://clarionfund.org/
I'm not trying to be a pain in the rear, I just don't know anything about these things. ;)
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Ever hear the phrase, a few bad apples spoils the entire barrel? Sounds like in the case of this bill, a few bad apples spoiled the entire barrel. It still shouldn't have been passed with the deregulation issues.
Yes but just like the patriot act for example.. Many politicians will vote for something because they are led to believe it is a good bill. I mean lets get real here, when you are talking thousands of pages of legislation you can't expect anyone to know everything that's in it.
The patriot act had some good parts in it but had many bad that were unconstitutional. While that's extreme example because the Patriot Act should have never been signed into law, it just goes to show how easy it is to push through the bad with the good.
That's part of the bigger issue and IMO we shouldn't have these bills with all these riders attached. Congress should be voting on each item separately and I do support the line item veto idea the Clinton signed into law, even though it was later ruled to be unconstitutional. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raines_v._Byrd) Oddly enough it wasn't on the grounds of the law it's self being unconstitutional but more about procedures.
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Yah.. without rapacious limits like regulations the banks helped themselves to the public's money, failed and got helped out by the public's money. Duh.
Greed. Democratic, Republican, Corporate greed. Get over it crockett. Yer boys are just as dirty as the other teams.
Now, the real question is; what's the Fed really up to?
The Fed it up to the same thing they have always been up to.. figuring out the best way to ruin this country.
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If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.
Hollings, Ernest [D] was the only demo senator to vote for it, the bill passing on a largely partisan vote in the Senate.
In the House, the following democrats voted for the bill: Neil Abercrombie, Gary Ackerman, Thomas Allen, Robert Andrews, Brian Baird, John Baldacci, Tammy Baldwin, James Barcia, Thomas Barrett, Xavier Becerra, Kenneth Bentsen, Shelley Berkley, Howard Berman, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Rod Blagojevich, Earl Blumenauer, David Bonior, Bob Borski, Leonard Boswell, Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, Robert Brady, Corrine Brown, Sherrod Brown, Lois Capps, Michael Capuano, Ben Cardin, Julia Carson, William Clay, Eva Clayton, Bob Clement, James Clyburn, Gary Condit, John Conyers, Jerry Costello, William Coyne, Bud Cramer, Joseph Crowley, Elijah Cummings, Pat Danner, Jim Davis, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Diana DeGette, Rosa DeLauro, William Delahunt, Peter Deutsch, Norman Dicks, John Dingell, Julian Dixon, Lloyd Doggett, Calvin Dooley, Michael Doyle, Chet Edwards, Eliot Engel, Anna Eshoo, Bob Etheridge, Lane Evans, Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Harold Ford, Barney Frank, Martin Frost, Samuel Gejdenson, Richard Gephardt, Charles Gonzalez, Virgil Goode, Bart Gordon, Luis Gutierrez, Tony Hall, Ralph Hall, Alcee Hastings, Baron Hill, Earl Hilliard, Maurice Hinchey, Ruben Hinojosa, Joe Hoeffel, Tim Holden, Rush Holt, Darlene Hooley, Steny Hoyer, Jay Inslee, Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson-Lee, William Jefferson, Chris John, Eddie Johnson, Stephanie Jones, Paul Kanjorski, Marcy Kaptur, Patrick Kennedy, Dale Kildee, Carolyn Kilpatrick, Ron Kind, Gerald Kleczka, Ron Klink, Dennis Kucinich, John LaFalce, Nicholas Lampson, Tom Lantos, John Larson, Barbara Lee, Sander Levin, John Lewis, Zoe Lofgren, Nita Lowey, Ken Lucas, Bill Luther, James Maloney, Carolyn Maloney, Edward Markey, Matthew Mart�-nez, Frank Mascara, Robert Matsui, Karen McCarthy, Carolyn McCarthy, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, Mike McIntyre, Cynthia McKinney, Michael McNulty, Martin Meehan, Carrie Meek, Gregory Meeks, Robert Menendez, Juanita Millender-McDonald, George Miller, David Minge, Patsy Mink, Joe Moakley, Alan Mollohan, Dennis Moore, James Moran, John Murtha, Jerrold Nadler, Grace Napolitano, Richard Neal, James Oberstar, David Obey, John Olver, Solomon Ortiz, Major Owens, Frank Pallone, Bill Pascrell, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Collin Peterson, David Phelps, Owen Pickett, Earl Pomeroy, David Price, Nick Rahall, Charles Rangel, Silvestre Reyes, Lynn Rivers, Ciro Rodriguez, Tim Roemer, Steven Rothman, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Martin Sabo, Loretta Sanchez, Max Sandlin, Thomas Sawyer, Jan Schakowsky, Robert Scott, Jose Serrano, Brad Sherman, Ronnie Shows, Norman Sisisky, Ike Skelton, Louise Slaughter, Adam Smith, Vic Snyder, John Spratt, Debbie Stabenow, Pete Stark, Charles Stenholm, Ted Strickland, Bart Stupak, John Tanner, Ellen Tauscher, Gene Taylor, Mike Thompson, Bennie Thompson, Karen Thurman, John Tierney, Edolphus Towns, Jim Traficant, Jim Turner, Mark Udall, Tom Udall, Nydia Velazquez, Bruce Vento, Peter Visclosky, Maxine Waters, Melvin Watt, Henry Waxman, Anthony Weiner, Robert Wexler, Robert Weygand, Bob Wise, Lynn Woolsey, David Wu, Al Wynn
Nancy Pelosi did not vote one way or the other.
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To be fair, the following republicans thought it was a good idea too:
Robert Aderholt, Bill Archer, Dick Armey, Spencer Bachus, Richard Baker, Cass Ballenger, Bob Barr, William Barrett, Roscoe Bartlett, Joe Barton, Charles Bass, Herbert Bateman, Doug Bereuter, Judith Biggert, Brian Bilbray, Michael Bilirakis, Thomas Bliley, Roy Blunt, Sherwood Boehlert, John Boehner, Henry Bonilla, Mary Bono, Kevin Brady, Ed Bryant, Richard Burr, Dan Burton, Steve Buyer, Sonny Callahan, Ken Calvert, Dave Camp, Tom Campbell, Charles Canady, Chris Cannon, Michael Castle, Steve Chabot, Saxby Chambliss, Helen Chenoweth-Hage, Howard Coble, Tom Coburn, Mac Collins, Larry Combest, Merrill Cook, John Cooksey, Christopher Cox, Phil Crane, Barbara Cubin, Randy 'Duke' Cunningham, Tom Davis, Tom DeLay, Jim DeMint, Nathan Deal, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Jay Dickey, John Doolittle, David Dreier, John 'Jimmy' Duncan, Jennifer Dunn, Vernon Ehlers, Robert Ehrlich, Jo Ann Emerson, Philip English, Terry Everett, Thomas Ewing, Ernest Fletcher, Mark Foley, Michael Forbes, Tillie Fowler, Bob Franks, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Elton Gallegly, Greg Ganske, George Gekas, Jim Gibbons, Wayne Gilchrest, Paul Gillmor, Benjamin Gilman, Bob Goodlatte, William Goodling, Porter Goss, Lindsey Graham, Kay Granger, Mark Green, James Greenwood, Gilbert Gutknecht, James Hansen, Doc Hastings, Robin Hayes, J.D. Hayworth, Joel Hefley, Wally Herger, Rick Hill, Van Hilleary, David Hobson, Peter Hoekstra, Steve Horn, John Hostettler, Amo Houghton, Kenny Hulshof, Duncan Hunter, Asa Hutchinson, Henry Hyde, Johnny Isakson, Ernest Istook, William Jenkins, Nancy Johnson, Sam Johnson, Walter Jones, John Kasich, Sue Kelly, Peter King, Jack Kingston, Joe Knollenberg, Jim Kolbe, Steven Kuykendall, Ray LaHood, Steven LaTourette, Steve Largent, Tom Latham, Rick Lazio, James Leach, Jerry Lewis, Ron Lewis, John Linder, Frank LoBiondo, Frank Lucas, Donald Manzullo, Bill McCollum, Jim McCrery, John McHugh, Scott McInnis, David McIntosh, Buck McKeon, Jack Metcalf, John Mica, Dan Miller, Gary Miller, Jerry Moran, Constance Morella, Sue Myrick, George Nethercutt, Robert Ney, Anne Northup, Charles Norwood, Jim Nussle, Doug Ose, Michael Oxley, Ronald Packard, Ed Pease, John Peterson, Thomas Petri, Chip Pickering, Joe Pitts, Richard Pombo, John Porter, Rob Portman, Deborah Pryce, Jack Quinn, George Radanovich, Jim Ramstad, Ralph Regula, Thomas Reynolds, Bob Riley, James Rogan, Hal Rogers, Dana Rohrabacher, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Margaret Roukema, Edward Royce, Paul Ryan, Jim Ryun, Matthew Salmon, Mark Sanford, Jim Saxton, Joe Scarborough, Bob Schaffer, Jim Sensenbrenner, Pete Sessions, John Shadegg, Clay Shaw, Christopher Shays, Don Sherwood, John Shimkus, Bud Shuster, Michael Simpson, Joe Skeen, Nick Smith, Christopher Smith, Lamar Smith, Mark Souder, Floyd Spence, Cliff Stearns, Bob Stump, John Sununu, John Sweeney, Jim Talent, Tom Tancredo, Billy Tauzin, Charles Taylor, Lee Terry, Bill Thomas, Mac Thornberry, John Thune, Todd Tiahrt, Pat Toomey, Fred Upton, David Vitter, Greg Walden, Zachary Wamp, Wesley Watkins, J.C. Watts, Dave Weldon, Curt Weldon, Jerry Weller, Ed Whitfield, Roger Wicker, Heather Wilson, Frank Wolf, Don Young, Bill Young
Of anyone in the House, only Ron Paul voted no
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Who passed the bill MT?
Hey, see anybody in there that has/had aspirations to run for the Executive Branch? :rofl
It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.
MT, I accept your apology. I know it must sting.
So if only those 38 Dems voted against it... no wait... it would have passed anyway. You all are pretty funny, in a hypocritical kind of way. The Clinton prosperity was all due to the Rep congress in the 90's, but the crash of 2008 was all about the President back in 1999. You gotta laugh.
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So if only those 38 Dems voted against it... no wait... it would have passed anyway.
The point Toad was making was that out of 100 Senators......only 10 didn't vote for it. Of those 90 that did, 38 were democrats. So the democrats and republicans share the blame.
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Don't read so fast MT. You missed this part:
It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.
It's ok; it happens when you rush. I forgive you.
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Before it was the "swift boat veterans" for the truth which turned out to be nothing but lies.. Now comes "The Clarion Fund" mass mailing a scare tactic DVD titled "Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west" which apparently has been sent to registered voters in swing states. I just received one in the mail today unsolicited.
By law a 501 group can not give donations, endorse or oppose a political candidate. Yet this group on the groups own website http://www.radicalislam.org/ there was an article backing McCain until it was pulled for breaking the law. I'm quite sure these guys have done their best to distance themselves from the "GOP" officially, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where their support came from.
It's pretty pathetic how low the Republican party with stoop to lie & cheat their way into the white house. So much for that "change" McSame talks about. Even McSame himself is continuing his lies about Obama in commercials that have already been proved to be lies but who cares right? As long as to moron sheep believe it, who cares if it's a lie or not right?
Quite ironic that this group is also pushing the "bad for America" corn for fuel as well..
I guess it was perfect timing, that this columnist who was a McSame supporter wrote this article today..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
actually, the new low is you. you keep finding things to start political flame wars in here.
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Don't read so fast MT. You missed this part:
It's ok; it happens when you rush. I forgive you.
No rush, I was originally responding to the statement that "The Clinton Administration put in place". I'm glad you agree with me that this is bull. And I accept your apology.
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Prove me wrong.
Didn't repubs have control of the pres, house and senate for almost 8 years?
Something about checkmate?
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No rush, I was originally responding to the statement that "The Clinton Administration put in place". I'm glad you agree with me that this is bull. And I accept your apology.
Still confused? I'm not apologizing at all.
It matters not one whit who proposed the bill. What matters is that it became law when BOTH PARTIES supported it in the Senate and BJ Clinton signed it.
A bill that becomes law has no effect, no matter who the sponsors may be.
This one became law because BOTH PARTIES supported it and Clinton did not veto it.
Spin all you like but there's the facts.
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Funny how the demodummies ignore that changes to the financial laws the Clinton administration put in place that had a very real role in economic problems of today.
Funny how the republo dummies forget it was their own Phil Graham-(R) that inserted those changes in regulation into the federal budget after midnight on the day of the vote.
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Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.
The econemy was running on bandaids.. but of course it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple minded.
Anyone could actually support Palin thinking she is qualified.
The econemy was running on bandaids..it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple mind.
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Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.
<---Problem Adult
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Crockett wrote.....I mean lets get real here, when you are talking thousands of pages of legislation you can't expect anyone to know everything that's in it.
Now..I sort of agree here with this statement...which brings me to this one....
If Congress would F-in work instead of 5 week vacations....We wouldn't have to piggy back bullsh** on the backs of other stuff which ultimatley comes back to bite em in the arse.
I'm not sure how many people here on this BBS get prolly weeks and weeks and weeks of vacation a year and make 6 figures.
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I'm not sure how many people here on this BBS get prolly weeks and weeks and weeks of vacation a year and make 6 figures.
sadly, i decided on a career in manufacturing instead of politics.
(http://vehicle.me.berkeley.edu/~dcoatta/Iceland/Reykjavik/Fullsize/Reykjavik-222129-Abandonedfactory.jpg)