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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on September 17, 2008, 11:51:48 AM
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Why do I see more P-38J's than L's? The ordinance package is worse, it doesn't have dive flaps, or boosted ailerons, and performance is otherwise identical. Is it an ENY difference?
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Some say it maneuvers better... I have to say I notice no difference.
The only reason I fly it is for nostalgic reasons. I think it was able to fight the most when the Allies were just pushing into their great offensive on the Axis in all theaters. The P-38L didn't arrive pretty much until the Allies already had complete utter superiority.
In addition, our P-38L doesn't run at full rated, fresh-out-the-factory power.
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Why do I see more P-38J's than L's? The ordinance package is worse, it doesn't have dive flaps, or boosted ailerons, and performance is otherwise identical. Is it an ENY difference?
Depends on who's flying the P-38 I guess. I myself prefer the J only for the reason that's the plane the 479th flew before transitioning to the P-51D. Usually the veteran P-38 drivers in here will gravitate towards the G and the J for some reason. That's not to say it's because the L sucks, which it doesn't as it's the best of the P-38s.
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For whatever reason I started with the J when I began flying the 38 regularly, it's the type I'm most used to and has the most options for historically accurate 80th FS skins.
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I love the J. Don't know why, but i just do.
I can up a J and get 5 kills easily, but if I up an L it just feels different, and I usually end up dying.
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Because the J model is like sex on wings. Especially with the "California Cutie" skin.
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Most simple reason for me is the Skins. The L sucks donkey in that area with everything being polished aluminum. When you wanna get down low - it helps when you don't look like a 70s disco ball from 10k out.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1012_1192651397_snake38fighthighqualitycopy.jpg)
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Most simple reason for me is the Skins. The L sucks donkey in that area with everything being polished aluminum. When you wanna get down low - it helps when you don't look like a 70s disco ball from 10k out.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1012_1192651397_snake38fighthighqualitycopy.jpg)
Best damn 38 skin. :aok
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I like the "J" because it feels lighter to me. The L feels heavier and the "G" while loads of fun down low, isn't as quick as the 'J" and suffers a bit there.
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Best damn 38 skin. :aok
The one that says Corky Jr on the nose is the best damn 38 skin! :)
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Eh, I like the P-38J and the G the most. Just because if I get low and slow, it's harder to see me. And for some odd reason, I do really really well in both of them.
(Plus, P-38G has a 35FG skin on it.) :aok
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Does it come with Vicodin? :lol
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I think It feels lighter and more Nimble then the L. Even though It shouldnt be:)
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In general I think the J has better skins. The aluminum one with the blue stripes all over is the hotness.
The L feels lighter at high speeds to me, probably because of the boosted ailerons; but otherwise they feel the same to me.
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Yes, performance stats at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php (http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php) indicate that the J and L are identical. So, any feeling of lightness or difference in handling is only perception, unless someone can provide different data than what I see there.
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For the little I fly the 38's I've never had much success in the L but the G and J have treated me pretty well so I stick with those. I particularly like the G.
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Does it come with Vicodin? :lol
Nope. And, unlike Luftwaffe iron, it doesn't come with a leather thong, or a footlocker full of Viagra, Cialis, and male hormones. :t
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Most simple reason for me is the Skins.
Same for me. There aren't any OD Green P-38L skins...
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Speaking of skins, any word on the 479th bare metal and two-tone skins?
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Same for me. There aren't any OD Green P-38L skins...
Believe there is one.
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Same for me. There aren't any OD Green P-38L skins...
There is and it's the one I use for the 38L. 479th by Oboe.
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There is and it's the one I use for the 38L. 479th by Oboe.
That's the 'Little Edris' and it's a P-38J skin, 479th didn't field any L models.
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That's the 'Little Edris' and it's a P-38J skin, 479th didn't field any L models.
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I'm 99% sure that there is a single OD L skin by Oboe.
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I'm 99% sure that there is a single OD L skin by Oboe.
There is.
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So, it's the skins and the fact that the J model saw action with a lot of the squads we represent in AH, got it. The dark, olive-green skins reason makes a lot of sense to me, as it's much harder to pick out aircraft with that color than, e.g. the shiny P-51D's.
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I'm 99% sure that there is a single OD L skin by Oboe.
there is an OD P-38L skin but it's not the 479th.
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it is 80FS/459th by Oboe. It is OD
Damn nitpicker. You're supposed to be helping me here. :devil
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LOL! Just edited my post to say I think it's one of the 80th or 49th skins but you beat me to it, so I removed it :lol
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(ANSWER) I flew a J and a squaddie had an L besided me, the thing outruns the L and out climbs it, 100% fuel and no ord on both when flown... we fought also and the J seems to loop better than the L (ANSWER)
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(ANSWER) I flew a J and a squaddie had an L besided me, the thing outruns the L and out climbs it, 100% fuel and no ord on both when flown... we fought also and the J seems to loop better than the L (ANSWER)
It's all in your mind, the J does not out perform, maneuver, turn or loop better than the L.
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It's all in your mind, the J does not out perform, maneuver, turn or loop better than the L.
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right, thats why i do all the time :lol
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It's all in your mind, the J does not out perform, maneuver, turn or loop better than the L.
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Agree.
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right, thats why i do all the time :lol
If you're able to out turn someone in the L while flying the J, you just ran into someone that can't fly P-38s all that well. The only P-38 in AH that can out turn the J or the L is the G.
If you like, we can put it to a test. You in the J, me in the L both with 100% fuel and we'll see how quickly you lose count on the number of times I've out turned and out maneuvered you. Deal?
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I'll say it again.
"It's the Indian, not the arrow."
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If you're able to out turn someone in the L while flying the J, you just ran into someone that can't fly P-38s all that well. The only P-38 in AH that can out turn the J or the L is the G.
If you like, we can put it to a test. You in the J, me in the L both with 100% fuel and we'll see how quickly you lose count on the number of times I've out turned and out maneuvered you. Deal?
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I'll do it :D
Edit: I need 38 tips bad. I'm finally starting to get really good in the 38. Just need a few more tips before I have it 'perfected' to my standards.
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(ANSWER) I flew a J and a squaddie had an L besided me, the thing outruns the L and out climbs it, 100% fuel and no ord on both when flown... we fought also and the J seems to loop better than the L (ANSWER)
Balderdash.
Acceleration, climb, zoom climb and speed are identical in the game. If either aircraft is lighter, then it will have an advantage.
I've dueled some of the best P-38 sticks in the game (someday, I'll fight Delirium and Ack Ack and will complete that list). When I was in the L model, I saw no advantage towards the J model. Indeed, at higher speeds the advantage is to the L with its faster roll rate. Yet, even with flaps out flying just above the weeds, there is nothing one can point to that differentiates the two fighters. Which ever one comes into the fight lighter, that one has the edge.
My regards,
Widewing
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Doesnt the J save 500 pds or something due to its lack of dive flaps and all the associated crap that goes w/them?
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Wasnt that the reason myself and many other insane 38 jocks then clamored for a 38j..and it being green?
Am I off base here?
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Edit: I need 38 tips bad. I'm finally starting to get really good in the 38. Just need a few more tips before I have it 'perfected' to my standards.
LOL! If what you call 'starting to get real good' is anything like the HO'tard move you pulled on me in that Spit V (and died for it), what you call 'getting real good' and what I consider to be real good are polar opposites. Hit up someone else that is willing to waste their time with a HO'tard, you're not worth any of my effort.
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Man, let it go.
I'm being serious, I really need tips, and I'm really trying to learn it, I'm not baiting, I'm being serious. I apologized for the HO back then, I offered up a 2nd fight, you went on rambling.
I seriously doubt SkyRock even still holds the grudge from one HO. Me and him joke around about it now.
:salute :salute
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I've dueled some of the best P-38 sticks in the game (someday, I'll fight Delirium and Ack Ack and will complete that list).
If you have already dueled the best P-38 sticks, why would you want to duel little old me? I'm not any good at all... I'm available this weekend if you want to perform a mercy kill in the DA.
That said, I feel the P38J tends to do a little bit better at very low/stall speed than the L does. I'm not sure if it because of the Ls roll rate or some other issue... either way, I'm convinced the J should be lighter than the L, at the very least the weight of the hydraulics and the dive flaps should be removed from the J.