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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CptTrips on September 17, 2008, 12:02:58 PM
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1. Information will come out that in his youth, Barry not only partook of cocaine, but on at least one occasion, was involved in the sale of said controlled substance.
2. Osama Bin Laden will either be killed, captured, or his body thawed out of the secret CIA freezer he’s been kept in for 2 years.
Yours?
:noid,
Wab
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1. Information will come out that in his youth, Barry not only partook of cocaine, but on at least one occasion, was involved in the sale of said controlled substance.
2. Osama Bin Laden will either be killed, captured, or his body thawed out of the secret CIA freezer he’s been kept in for 2 years.
Yours?
:noid,
Wab
"Barry" represents "who"?
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Somebody will find a video of the "Honorable" Reverand Wright spewing his hate on Sunday and in the front row, Barry will be sitting with his wife and nodding along.
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Biden will develop a serious illness and have to withdraw from the race. Hmmm, wonder who might be picked in his place?
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"Barry" represents "who"?
He represents Welfare Queens, Hollywood types, Metrosexuals, and illegal aliens.
:aok,
Wab
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"Barry" represents "who"?
in his youth Barak was referred to by his friends as Barry.
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now known as Barry BinBiden.
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McCain suffers some health problems and everyone realizes how dumb Palin would be as POTUS?
I mean, sounds as plausible as all the above.
(this is all in good fun right? I'd never really wish an illness upon anyone <S>)
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2. Osama Bin Laden will either be killed, captured, or his body thawed out of the secret CIA freezer he’s been kept in for 2 years.
Yours?
:noid,
Wab
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Other than the thawing I have had this thought since the beginning of the year. Right before Elections. I was picking, and not to be funny, 2 weeks before polling day.
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McCain suffers some health problems and everyone realizes how dumb Palin would be as POTUS?
You can not seriously believe that you think Palin is dumb? You do also realize that President's lead with the advice of a cabinet.
Cripes... I can not believe the depths that some people will sink too.
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You can not seriously believe that you think Palin is dumb?
You know I have been wondering how the left measures intellect. I mean they look at Bush and call him dumb and look at Carter and call the man a genius? I think these liberal schools must be full of some alien mold or something and its infected the collective mindset!
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city water supplies.
:noid
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You know I have been wondering how the left measures intellect. I mean they look at Bush and call him dumb and look at Carter and call the man a genius? I think these liberal schools must be full of some alien mold or something and its infected the collective mindset!
I do believe President Jimmy Carter has a degree in nuclear engineering. That in itself does not make him a genius but he is far from stupid. :)
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He wuz a Sub Driver. Required courses in Rickovers Nooklear Navy.
I'm sure he was real bright... but you'd think a sub driver would know how low yah can go. ;)
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I know lots of people with real fancy educations. Hell my ex was a PhD, but had little common sense.
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You can not seriously believe that you think Palin is dumb? You do also realize that President's lead with the advice of a cabinet.
Cripes... I can not believe the depths that some people will sink too.
I can seriously believe whatever I wish to seriously believe. And I thought this was all in jest to begin with, was I wrong?
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I can seriously believe whatever I wish to seriously believe. And I thought this was all in jest to begin with, was I wrong?
Kind of mind boggling to me that someone could have that thought process. Here nor there, it is your right to believe what you like.
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President John McCain will meet privately with Obama and apologize for the childish and immature behavior that his supporters used during the election process, shrugging..he will say sorry- its the game I never wanted to play, but Americans can't behave civilly and actually require their chance to rant and rave insanely, nodding in agreement Obama will sigh and say -yeah.... looking over at Palin ... with a perplexed look on his face , point his thumb at her and looking quizzically at McCain....what about?.... McCain shrugging will nod and say... had to... she was actually the only Republican available that i hadn't pissed off... plus it was fun standing behind her during those speeches...
high fives
:rofl
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President John McCain will meet privately with Obama and apologize for the childish and immature behavior that his supporters used during the election process, shrugging..he will say sorry- its the game I never wanted to play, but Americans can't behave civilly and actually require their chance to rant and rave insanely, nodding in agreement Obama will sigh and say -yeah.... looking over at Palin ... with a perplexed look on his face , point his thumb at her and looking quizzically at McCain....what about?.... McCain shrugging will nod and say... had to... she was actually the only Republican available that i hadn't pissed off... plus it was fun standing behind her during those speeches...
high fives
:rofl
That might make a good episode on the resurrected "West Wing" which the dems will clamor for after losing the White House yet again.
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I do believe President Jimmy Carter has a degree in nuclear engineering. That in itself does not make him a genius but he is far from stupid. :)
Bachelor of Science degree in physics from the United States Naval Academy
Nucular was later. (Jimmy says it too)
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Ahhh! thanks! I did not know that!
wonder what his position is on nuke plant re-deployments in the grid?
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
How many boxes of bricks have bachelors degrees?
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I bet that we are going to find out that Godzilla really exists and goes on rampages in Mongolia, we will discover how to throw ourselves at the ground and miss, and that Vogons have come to red-tape our planet to its doom. :eek:
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wow.
I mean...
wow.
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
Liberals are just plain stupid, educated or not.
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He wuz a Sub Driver. Required courses in Rickovers Nooklear Navy.
I'm sure he was real bright... but you'd think a sub driver would know how low yah can go. ;)
Been great if he had known just a little about economics. He ran up some double digit inflation numbers. And of course was another Great Society guy.
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
Who puts bricks in boxes? :confused:
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Think this will be the suprise of the month myself.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm
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Who puts bricks in boxes? :confused:
(http://blogs.menupages.com/sanfrancisco/jumbo%20shrimp.jpg)
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Think this will be the suprise of the month myself.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm
Can that be true? How can anyone vote for him if it is?
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I think there will be another false flag terrorist act in the United States like 9/11. They'll blame Iran and I'll invest in weapons and oversees contractors.
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i wouldn't move your holdings too far outside the envelope of the alien technologies markets.
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End of October Palin's husband will be endicted for reveiling personal employment information about his ex-brother inlaw(Trooper gate) to members of Palin's staff. Todd Palin not being an alaska government employee nor member of his wife's cabinent has been privy to day to day business of alaskan government by admission of his wife.
This is why he has been subpoenaed by alaska state law makers. They intend to use this as an October suprise.
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Can that be true? How can anyone vote for him if it is?
Seems to be...and was reported to day that there were witnesses to it as well.....be interesting to see A) how deep this story gets buried B) how long it takes to get any traction in the "Mainstream media".
If it doesn't come out before the election.....he'd be plenty happy.....
If it does....it will be a BIG PLAY for the other team...
Either way....I see penalty flags comin.
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Kind of mind boggling to me that someone could have that thought process. Here nor there, it is your right to believe what you like.
I don't think she nor McCain, nor Obama, Nor Biden would set policy that I want to see in the executive office. There, happy? I'd rather just save time and call her dumb.
Now quit pestering, ya bothering me kid.
:aok
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
And the candidate that isnt/wasnt picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes was/is?
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Palin is dumber than a box of bricks. She only has a BA in Journalism. She was picked to appeal to the mass uneducated hordes.
and /or infuriate the mass uneducated hordes
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You can not seriously believe that you think Palin is dumb? You do also realize that President's lead with the advice of a cabinet.
Cripes... I can not believe the depths that some people will sink too.
I seriously believe that I think that you flunked English, and never recovered.
Read your first sentence and let me know how dumb it really is, whenever you might figure it out, that is.
Second, what's the apostrophe for? Does the president own that lead? I mean, it's all the way on the other side of the keyboard, so you must have believed it belonged there.
Another reason we should trust you for wise and valid insight into complicated matters. You can't even communicate two sentences that make sense. :rolleyes:
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turtle.
:D
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I seriously believe that I think :rolleyes:
really?
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End of October Palin's husband will be endicted for reveiling personal employment information about his ex-brother inlaw(Trooper gate) to members of Palin's staff. Todd Palin not being an alaska government employee nor member of his wife's cabinent has been privy to day to day business of alaskan government by admission of his wife.
This is why he has been subpoenaed by alaska state law makers. They intend to use this as an October suprise.
This is probably what I would have said. This is why the GOP has been running big lawyers into Alaska the past two weeks. There's something there that is obviously worth covering up. The GOP took one of the top lawyers who is prosecuting terrorists, and sent him to Alaska to sue to block the subpoena process. This was a process that was started by a Republican majority controlled state. Her own party thought there was enough there to look into it.
My second pick for an October surprise would have been a terrorist strike in a foreign nation on a U.S. Embassy, with that nation (and dependent on U.S. influx of dollars for their ruling class) proclaiming "it was OBVIOUSLY Al-Queda!!!" Probably occuring in a country that stands to lose alot if the GOP loses the office of the president.
Except, that happened, curiously, today, in Yemen. The official Yemeni spokesman proclaimed about 90 minutes after the attack "It was obviously an Al-Queda strike". Hmmmmmm.
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really?
Really.
Keep truckin' that BS! :salute
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turtle.
:D
lol.
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End of October Palin's husband will be endicted for reveiling personal employment information about his ex-brother inlaw(Trooper gate) to members of Palin's staff. Todd Palin not being an Alaska government employee nor member of his wife's cabinent has been privy to day to day business of alaskan government by admission of his wife.
This is why he has been subpoenaed by Alaska state law makers. They intend to use this as an October suprise.
the problem with that is , as a civilian he is not in the wrong by knowing that info, most all gov. business is free to the public under the freedom of information act
nor is the fact that his brother-in-law, is a state trooper, a state secret
also if he was privy to sensitive info,( much like Hillary has claimed to have been, then denied), it would have to be classified info,and would not fall on him, but instead on her
and by all lib. accounts, she doesn't know anything
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Whiskey,
The contention is that the info Todd Palin spoke about was personal employment info about his brother in law which neither he nor the governor by law was privy to know. So the conspirecy is supposed to be he could only have learned it if his wife had broken the law and had her brother in laws employment information given to her without out permission by her brother in law and the company that provides saftey officers for the state. This is to build the case that she violated his legal rights trying to have him fired by using undue government influence for personal family matters. Her brother in law has stated this is all a non-issue as far as he is concerned.
This is why Todd Palin has been subpoenaed.
The man she actualy fired was a republican who was going behind her back to countermand her veto of certain bills and policies up to contacting the Alaskan federal representitive to try and gain federal funds she turned down. He was fired for insubordination which was with in her legal pervue. He is trying to get even with her by working with the state democrats to ruin her chances to become VP. This is the reason for the private and state lawsuits to stop the investigation because the players involved both republican and democrate are trying to get revenge against Palin for stomping on thier "good ol boy" make money on the backs of Alaskan citizens machine in the state government.
Kinda like how the Ill state democrat machines get even with people who don't elect their favorite son. They just ruin your reputation and force you to drop from the race. No contest.....kinda how Palin is being treated on the national scean now.........If McCain had picked Mother Theresa if she was still alive, the Dems\Liberals would manufacture garbage to screw her even if God came down in person and spoke for her.
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come on, step it up some!
here is an oldy but a goody,from may of 1993
And that is the “smoking gun” video tape which Gunther will produce for you, Attorney General Reno, before all relevant Courts, before Congress, and ultimately before the American people, to prove the absolute truth of his testimony concerning “October Surprise” and George Bush’s knowledge of, and participation in it, and his consequent treason, and the absolute necessity for indicting and prosecuting Bush on that charge (plus numerous others as well).
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=91
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bustr.. I think you just took a wizz in scuba boys kelp flavored wheaties.
build em up and the knock em down with a left right combo.
lazs
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Biden will develop a serious illness and have to withdraw from the race. Hmmm, wonder who might be picked in his place?
Ya Ive been thinking the same thing. Scary thought.
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Biden will make Palin look like a complete moron in the debate... oh wait, that won't be too much of a surprise.
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I seriously believe that I think that you flunked English, and never recovered.
Read your first sentence and let me know how dumb it really is, whenever you might figure it out, that is.
Second, what's the apostrophe for? Does the president own that lead? I mean, it's all the way on the other side of the keyboard, so you must have believed it belonged there.
Another reason we should trust you for wise and valid insight into complicated matters. You can't even communicate two sentences that make sense. :rolleyes:
Wow... I mean really, just Wow! I used some poor grammar, and Mr. Wizard here is going be all grandiose and point it out to make me feel bad... boohoo for me. You're so perfectly liberal. When you can not refute something, change the subject and point out grammar mistakes. It definitely makes the other poster look bad. <isnert old ghey rollseye thingie here>
Perhaps when you can reply with something that could back up the ignorant statements insinuating Mrs. Palin is indeed "stupid" or "dumb", I might be inclined to reply back. Until then, just go back to your perfect little liberal utopia and keep dreaming of Obama as President.
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Wow... I mean really, just Wow! I used some poor grammar, and Mr. Wizard here is going be all grandiose and point it out to make me feel bad... boohoo for me. You're so perfectly liberal. When you can not refute something, change the subject and point out grammar mistakes. It definitely makes the other poster look bad. <isnert old ghey rollseye thingie here>
Perhaps when you can reply with something that could back up the ignorant statements insinuating Mrs. Palin is indeed "stupid" or "dumb", I might be inclined to reply back. Until then, just go back to your perfect little liberal utopia and keep dreaming of Obama as President.
Bodhi, you're confusing me with your other fight. Find the spot where I said Mrs Palin is stupid or dumb, and reply back with that quote, and you will have won the argument.
I'll save you the work. I never said that.
This, further confirming that you, indeed, need to return to grade school. I said to YOU that you couldn't string together two sentences that made sense. Which, in your post is astoundingly true.
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Bodhi, you're confusing me with your other fight. Find the spot where I said Mrs Palin is stupid or dumb, and reply back with that quote, and you will have won the argument.
I'll save you the work. I never said that.
This, further confirming that you, indeed, need to return to grade school. I said to YOU that you couldn't string together two sentences that made sense. Which, in your post is astoundingly true.
I may have poor grammar, but I can understand what I read and write. You obviously can not.
Get this straight, I never said that you called her dumb or stupid, I just asked for you to back up the comment... note: not YOUR comment, but THE comment. Instead your reply to me became nothing more than the BS elitist snobbery that I come to expect from liberals that have nothing to add to the discussion.
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I may have poor grammar, but I can understand what I read and write. You obviously can not.
Get this straight, I never said that you called her dumb or stupid, I just asked for you to back up the comment... note: not YOUR comment, but THE comment. Instead your reply to me became nothing more than the BS elitist snobbery that I come to expect from liberals that have nothing to add to the discussion.
Because, sir, YOUR reply made absofugginlutely no sense. A major tenant in the communication of ideas through debate is the actual clarity by which you present them. You are attempting to portray yourself as a thinking person and expressing thought on a subject that is complex...yet you use grammar that a 4th grade dropout might question. Your post made no sense. I called you on it. End of story. If being elitist is being correct, then elite I am. When trying to make an argument intellectually..... it helps to be.... intellectual.
I have no comment on Mrs. Palin's intelligence. The fact she jumped through 5 differing schools, in almost 6 years..... on the way to a menial bachelor's degree in Journalism..... somehow tells the whole story to me, without getting into comments like "stupid" or "dumb". (If you don't know how easy a degree in Journalism is to get, then please don't post.) She steadfastly opposes evolution. A rocket scientist she is not. I actually am far more concerned with her "maverick" claim, while she has aggressively ridden any of the government around her, throughout her political career, of dissenting voices and opinions. Just like our current moron-in-chief. That she even looked into the banning of books in her library in Wasilla is taboo, to me. Never mind she gave up on it.... she was trying.
As well... you don't know my political affiliation. I did not assume yours at any time. Remember that as you pigeon hole the people around you. We all are not required to agree with you.
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the problem with that is , as a civilian he is not in the wrong by knowing that info, most all gov. business is free to the public under the freedom of information act
nor is the fact that his brother-in-law, is a state trooper, a state secret
also if he was privy to sensitive info,( much like Hillary has claimed to have been, then denied), it would have to be classified info,and would not fall on him, but instead on her
and by all lib. accounts, she doesn't know anything
lol
hey wwhiskey - send me your social security number - ya know its freedom of information
you have got to be kidding me...tell me you don't believe the bs you wrote....please...
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lol
hey wwhiskey - send me your social security number - ya know its freedom of information
you have got to be kidding me...tell me you don't believe the bs you wrote....please...
what? no point to make? other than you think i,m a moron?
try having a city council meeting behind closed doors and see how much grief you get!
unless it is classified for some reason,(I.E. military) it would be available to the public,
that's why they call it the public record!
my S.S. # is not a matter of public record, it is also "of value" and therefore a crime to use it for gain, even if someone other than yourself gets it , and only gives it too you.
on the other hand, the person that broke into Gov. Palin's email account, can and will be prosecuted,
however the info can be released by other sources I.E. news papers or TV as long as they did not steal that info! now even if Todd Palin had relevant gov. info, unless he went to the trouble of breaking the law to obtain it,
he would not be in violation of anything!
let us also not forget that the trooper who is at the center of all this was his brother-in-law, so any info that might have been known could easily have come from the trooper himself, we don't know how close the family was before there marriage went south, or if it went South because of the trooper tasering the 10 year old child!
we don't know anything yet, and i don't think you are going to find out anything till after the election, of cource after that,, no one will care, unless McCain wins!
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You know I have been wondering how the left measures intellect. I mean they look at Bush and call him dumb and look at Carter and call the man a genius? I think these liberal schools must be full of some alien mold or something and its infected the collective mindset!
No Carter was dumb as president too. Intellectually he's a smart guy. Just very out of touch. I think he is the second worst president in my lifetime. Bush isn't dumb, he's just a very average guy over his head.
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what? no point to make? other than you think i,m a moron?
try having a city council meeting behind closed doors and see how much grief you get!
unless it is classified for some reason,(I.E. military) it would be available to the public,
that's why they call it the public record!
my S.S. # is not a matter of public record, it is also "of value" and therefore a crime to use it for gain, even if someone other than yourself gets it , and only gives it too you.
on the other hand, the person that broke into Gov. Palin's email account, can and will be prosecuted,
however the info can be released by other sources I.E. news papers or TV as long as they did not steal that info! now even if Todd Palin had relevant gov. info, unless he went to the trouble of breaking the law to obtain it,
he would not be in violation of anything!
let us also not forget that the trooper who is at the center of all this was his brother-in-law, so any info that might have been known could easily have come from the trooper himself, we don't know how close the family was before there marriage went south, or if it went South because of the trooper tasering the 10 year old child!
we don't know anything yet, and i don't think you are going to find out anything till after the election, of cource after that,, no one will care, unless McCain wins!
ok i will type slower
Items in a personnel folder are not available to the general public... they are not covered by the freedom of information act...
Thus the social security number statement.
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Instead your reply to me became nothing more than the BS elitist snobbery that I come to expect from liberals that have nothing to add to the discussion.
Wow, someone likes to throw the poop around but gets tired of seeing it thrown back at him? *cough* hypocrite *cough*
Just because someone is not in agreement with you does not mean they have nothing to add to the discussion. Don't throw poo and not expect the monkeys on the other end of the cage to throw it back. Now thats annoying.
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Why do people wrag on others that believe evolution to be false? It is nothing more than a theory and has not been proven yet you take it as gospel!!!!!! Please tell me why that is such a big point with you. It is on par with aliens, bigfoot and the loch ness monster. Some people beleive it, but there is no proof it happened with a "big bang." Have you found the missing link yet?
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I'm sorry. You are just another who didn't pay attention in science class when they went over the definitions of hypothsis and theory. Go back to your grade school teacher and ask them to sit you down and talk about it. You'll be better equipped to handle these discussions.
Evolution happens. We know it has, we know it does, and we know it will. The driving mechanisms behind it are still in discussion though. Join the 21st century, we'd love to have you aboard. <S>
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Ok. So I am stupid for not believing in the whole we descended from apes crap. And because I did not follow the party line from my science teacher I am stupid as well. I thought school was designed to teach critical thinking as well as facts.
I believe that things evolve in some ways but not others. Sure, a species may evolve form one type of plant food to another if they eat a species of plant life into extinction. They may change certain habits from on generation to the next. Survival of the fittest.
But, to suggest that birds are descendant of dinosaurs and that everything evolved from single celled organisms out of the primordial ooze after the big bang cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Can you start with yourself and through your descendants grow a third arm or leg because it woul help playing soccer? Just try it. If you can show me that, I will believe. But for now, I will believe it to be a load of crap.
Has anyone come forward with the missing links for all of the theories that are out there? The biggest thing, is was anyone there to see this stuff happen? Do you have any documented proof? Do you have any pictures that it happened as the teachers say it did?
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Ok. So I am stupid for not believing in the whole we descended from apes crap. And because I did not follow the party line from my science teacher I am stupid as well. I thought school was designed to teach critical thinking as well as facts.
I believe that things evolve in some ways but not others. Sure, a species may evolve form one type of plant food to another if they eat a species of plant life into extinction. They may change certain habits from on generation to the next. Survival of the fittest.
But, to suggest that birds are descendant of dinosaurs and that everything evolved from single celled organisms out of the primordial ooze after the big bang cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Can you start with yourself and through your descendants grow a third arm or leg because it woul help playing soccer? Just try it. If you can show me that, I will believe. But for now, I will believe it to be a load of crap.
Has anyone come forward with the missing links for all of the theories that are out there? The biggest thing, is was anyone there to see this stuff happen? Do you have any documented proof? Do you have any pictures that it happened as the teachers say it did?
Show me the pictures of God making Eve out of the rib of Adam first
Do you have any documented proof?
Don't tell me the Bilble and or the Torah... those were written centuries after "Adam"
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But, to suggest that birds are descendant of dinosaurs and that everything evolved from single celled organisms out of the primordial ooze after the big bang cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Can you start with yourself and through your descendants grow a third arm or leg because it woul help playing soccer? Just try it. If you can show me that, I will believe.
Our pinky toes are shrinking over a large span of time because they've become superfluous. Also, not all evolution is positive. Species do evolve negative traits also. That bit was actually proved not too long ago.
But for now, I will believe it to be a load of crap
Refusing to accept an answer with credible proof over a something that cannot be proven at all is critical thinking? Or do you simply take the "I don't know!" approach? The first is not critical thinking, it's simply being stubborn. The second approach is for those that think a lack of conviction is the moral high ground. Neither have much of a leg to stand on.
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Show me the pictures of God making Eve out of the rib of Adam first
Do you have any documented proof?
Don't tell me the Bilble and or the Torah... those were written centuries after "Adam"
So, believing in either is is a matter of faith.
Refusing to accept an answer with credible proof
What proof?
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Here. This will get you up to speed. Evolution is a fact and a theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact)
There are those that refuse to accept evolution as fact. House Bill HB1504, in the Oklahoma state legislature, provides a requirement for an "evolution disclaimer" in state-approved textbooks stating that evolution is a "controversial theory" and that "any statement about life’s origins should be considered as theory, not fact."[24]. The creationist website Answers in Genesis claims that evolution should not be classed as a "theory" in the proper scientific sense; rather, they claim that "it would be better to say that particles-to-people evolution is an unsubstantiated hypothesis or conjecture." [25]
The issue was brought before the courts In 1986, when an amicus curiae brief asking the US Supreme Court to reject a Louisiana state law requiring the teaching of creationism in the case Edwards v. Aguillard was signed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners, 17 state academies of science and 7 other scientific societies. The brief provides a detailed argument which it summarises in the following statement.[26]
The Act's unconstitutional purpose is also evident in its requirement that both "creation-science" and "evolution-science" be taught as "theory" and not as "proven scientific fact." To a scientist or a science educator, the distinction between scientific theories and scientific facts is well understood. A "fact" is a property of a natural phenomenon. A "theory" is a naturalistic explanation for a body of facts. That distinction permeates all fields of scientific endeavor. It is no more relevant to discussions of the origin of the universe and life than to any other area of research. By singling out one topic in science – "origins" – for special treatment, the legislature conveys the false message that the prevailing theory of "origins" – evolutionary theory – is less robust and reliable than all other scientific concepts. This misleadingly disparaging treatment of evolution confirms that the Act favors a particular religious belief.
Evolution occuring is a fact. We have contained lab experiments that have observed evolutionary changes in fruit flies. This is fact. Explaining the causes and process is part of the theory.
Make sense?
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...contained lab experiments...
Key words.
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Key words.
So, believing in either is is a matter of faith.
What proof?
No. One is based on zero evidence and pure speculation. One is an educated guess. A guess is all it is, but I'll take something that can be proven over one that's completely untestable and basks in intentional ignorance.
The transitional fossils that creationists claim don't exist, actually do. All you have to do to see these are go to a natural history museum. Jesus won't be in the building, but you should be able to find some interesting fossils. You can see the gradual change over time from Pierolapithecus catalaunicus to Homo erectus. Same fossil lines exist for whales, horses, fish, etc, etc. I can sit here and claim that the SR-71 doesn't exist all day long. All you have to do is go to a museum and see one for yourself. Not terribly difficult.
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And with better nutrition and medicine, people of the 21st century live longer, are taller and more muscularly built than those from even the 19th century. People of northern european descent are fairer haired and skinned than those from the mediteranean region. Those can be an evolutionary changes. That is fine. Chalk that up more to survival of the fittest. But, prove to me that you are decended from an ape. Prove that we all came from one common ancestor. This seems to be the core of the evolutionary theory. That some ameoba decided it wanted to become a human, tried, died and then millions of eons later, his ancestor is sitting at a keyboard trying to disparage someone that believes in Creation. That is the part I don't buy.
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Why do people wrag on others that believe evolution to be false? It is nothing more than a theory and has not been proven yet you take it as gospel!!!!!! Please tell me why that is such a big point with you. It is on par with aliens, bigfoot and the loch ness monster. Some people beleive it, but there is no proof it happened with a "big bang." Have you found the missing link yet?
By making a post like this, you showcase the fact that you truly don't understand what you are talking about.
Start, quite simply, by telling me the difference of the word "theory" when dealing in common terms versus scientific ones.
And, as far as "missing link"....we've found approximately 10 to 13 different links back to our progeny that arose in Africa. Each show successive trait development. I'm sorry you are too ignorant or brainwashed to realize what evolution is. The Pope has, and has said that evolution is fact.
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Have we found any links back to the thingy that climbed out of the ooze?
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What ooze? If your talking first single celled lifeforms, well, they'd be single celled and stuck floating in the ooze, not really climbing out of it.
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And with better nutrition and medicine, people of the 21st century live longer, are taller and more muscularly built than those from even the 19th century. People of northern european descent are fairer haired and skinned than those from the mediteranean region. Those can be an evolutionary changes. That is fine. Chalk that up more to survival of the fittest. But, prove to me that you are decended from an ape. Prove that we all came from one common ancestor. This seems to be the core of the evolutionary theory. That some ameoba decided it wanted to become a human, tried, died and then millions of eons later, his ancestor is sitting at a keyboard trying to disparage someone that believes in Creation. That is the part I don't buy.
Your "nutrition and medicine" analogy is dead off, concerning evolution.
The amoeba?
That's just it.... it didn't decide anything. It didn't yearn to be human...it simply attempted to survive. By using HOX genes we can discern when our progenitors came about. The first bilaterally symmetric planaria (worm) had those genes. No other creature during the precambian explosion did. Bilateral symmetry was a huge breakthrough in organism development. Now, every organism that is bilaterally symmetric(including you and me) has the exact same HOX genes, which control body plan development. That's simple observable fact, and is the reason that embryonic development through different genera all look the same. Compare the embryo of a human, a mouse, a fish and a worm..... and you will be amazed at the similarities... until gene expression begins to slowly morph the specific traits of each species. The HOX genes that decide when to read the genetic code are all located at the same point on the embryo. This shows we all descended from common ancestry.
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Ignorant. Brainwashed. Thanks MORAY37. Just goes to show how an education and left leaning tendencies does not make you more open minded and accepting of other people's beliefs. This bs has to stop. Maybe I did not graduate from college, have three years though, but, I accept that you believe certain things that I do not and have not resorted to calling you a cretin, stupid or other such drivel. Why do you have to resort to slinging the same ooze that you are crawling through. I have said this too many time on the bbs to even count now. Deal with the fact that I do not believe as you and shut the F up if you are not going to at least be civil.
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Have we found any links back to the thingy that climbed out of the ooze?
Nothing climbed "out of the ooze". Unicellular turned into multicellular. Multicellular plans abounded in the oceans until the atmosphere built up, an allowed for the blockage of UV, which breaks down carbon based organisms at the cellular level.
That's when multicellular organisms began to crawl out of the oceans.
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Nothing climbed "out of the ooze". Unicellular turned into multicellular. Multicellular plans abounded in the oceans until the atmosphere built up, an allowed for the blockage of UV, which breaks down carbon based organisms at the cellular level.
That's when multicellular organisms began to crawl out of the oceans.
Ok, they climbed out of the ocean....any links back to those guys?
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Ignorant. Brainwashed. Thanks MORAY37. Just goes to show how an education and left leaning tendencies does not make you more open minded and accepting of other people's beliefs. This bs has to stop. Maybe I did not graduate from college, have three years though, but, I accept that you believe certain things that I do not and have not resorted to calling you a cretin, stupid or other such drivel. Why do you have to resort to slinging the same ooze that you are crawling through. I have said this too many time on the bbs to even count now. Deal with the fact that I do not believe as you and shut the F up if you are not going to at least be civil.
You may have any belief you wish. If that belief contradicts observable FACT, don't be surprised if someone thinks you have turned you back on it, I.E. "are ignorant of it".
It was not a personal attack in the least. My apologies if you thought it was.
Also, if you can't sit and look at the question in an objective fashion, and not let your ideological standing get in the way, then you are technically "brainwashed".
Also, not a personal attack.
I did not call you stupid at all. Don't get so defensive that you can't see the forest for the trees.
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Ok, they climbed out of the ocean....any links back to those guys?
Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
Really, so we can trace everything we see today back to 1 common ancestor using the fossil record?
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This thread is degrading into name-calling attacks. Some of these posts are really pretty high-and-mighty bad. I could give a rip about either side of evolution right now, but I wish you guys would quit stooping so low. I find the back and forth banter about evolution interesting, but I'd rather not read the personal attacks. The facts and opinons are great without having to resort to questioning education/beliefs/intelligence. Just sours the whole discussion.
Just my .02 and your mileage may vary. Carry on!
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Really, so we can trace everything we see today back to 1 common ancestor using the fossil record?
Scientifically, we have one specific species that was the first to exhibit bilateral symmetry, as well as nerve chord development(a precursor to a spine) in the precambrian. After this particular little species came about, within 1 million years bilateral symmetry became common. This particular epoch of time is well known for it's diversity of body plans. After it, bilateral symmetry was represented in 96% or so of organisms. Now, there's only a slight handful of organisms that aren't bilateral.
There is ongoing research into it's specific genetic makeup, but it is known that this species was the first to use HOX genes in development. HOX genes are found in everything, at this point.
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A decent representation of HOX genes, specifically comparing a mouse embryo with a fly. Notice the genes are at the exact same spot. This highly unlikely, without a common ancestor in the far background.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/L-fly-mouse.gif)
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