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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Furball on September 18, 2008, 01:25:32 PM
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What a wonderful aircraft.
Check out the low alt one engined roll and 633 squadron footage :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOhZEsIq85E
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I wish they'd polish that one up and...sell it again!
She looks nifty, more agile than the one in AH.
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The Mossi would be a great option for the next aircraft update. It is the best attack platform in the game and is no slouch as a fighter either. Give a face lift, dump the exhaust shrouds and notch up the top speed accordingly. Perhaps the Tse Tse cannon option too? :)
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give us a bomber option too maybe even a late mk bomber with the 4000Lb bomb.
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I don't think HTC are too keen on big bombs... The big cannon is probably a push as it is. I'd be happy with the nip 'n tuck on the visual model and exhaust shrouds
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I just want to know one thing... Right around 3:00 you can see the pilot take his hand off the wheel for a second. How does he pick his nose with those thickbutt gloves on? :D
Mosquitos are great! I love the fact that they sound like a wing pair of Ponies. :aok
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Ehem,,,or a pair of Spitties rather :D
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I just want to know one thing... Right around 3:00 you can see the pilot take his hand off the wheel for a second. How does he pick his nose with those thickbutt gloves on? :D
He doesn't do it himself. That's what the navigator is there for. :D
<edit> just watched again - i thought you were talking in general, but i see what you mean now. :lol
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I just got a chance to watch that clip.... The Mossi really is a beautiful aircraft.
It desperately needs a face lift and day fighter spec! :rock
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I don't think HTC are too keen on big bombs...
The 4,000lb 'cookie' is already in game. Having talked to Pyro a couple of years ago and brought up the Mossie, the B.Mk XVI is not out of the question, but would probably be a perk plane based on its performance. Barring Me163s it would be very hard to intercept a 400+mph bomber flying at 25,000+ft and the 4,000lb bomb packs real damage.
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The 4,000lb 'cookie' is already in game. Having talked to Pyro a couple of years ago and brought up the Mossie, the B.Mk XVI is not out of the question, but would probably be a perk plane based on its performance. Barring Me163s it would be very hard to intercept a 400+mph bomber flying at 25,000+ft and the 4,000lb bomb packs real damage.
Bring it.
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I don't like mosquitos...I'm covered in their bites...but the planes are fun to fly.
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The 4,000lb 'cookie' is already in game. Having talked to Pyro a couple of years ago and brought up the Mossie, the B.Mk XVI is not out of the question, but would probably be a perk plane based on its performance. Barring Me163s it would be very hard to intercept a 400+mph bomber flying at 25,000+ft and the 4,000lb bomb packs real damage.
How the hell could they perk a plane with NO defensive armament.
That would be insane and turn it into yet another hanger queen.
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Low alt. high speed attacks with smaller bombs to de-ack fields or help take down towns - :rock
Hi alt. high speed recce flight looking for enemy CVs - :cool:
Hi/med alt. bomber interceptors - :D
Ground recce/attack - :cool:
I want mossies!
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How the hell could they perk a plane with NO defensive armament.
That would be insane and turn it into yet another hanger queen.
It is faster than a laden Ar234 and carries a heavier warload. In addition, remember that the Ar234 was perked and was unarmed for a long time. I am sure it would be a low end perk bomber, but perked it must be.
Also consider the dweebishness and effect of having a fast, maneuverable aircraft that can handily carry a 4,000lb bomb on GVs. If unperked kamikaze Mosquito B.Mk XVIs would be very, very common against GV attacks.
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If they do bring the XVI into the game though, folks are going to have to realise that, as the air is filled with hawgs and stangs and stuff, and no night, they're not going to be able to fly with 1% loss rates.
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If they do bring the XVI into the game though, folks are going to have to realise that, as the air is filled with hawgs and stangs and stuff, and no night, they're not going to be able to fly with 1% loss rates.
No, not 1% loss rate, but certainly a lower loss rate than any other bomber besides the Ar234 if the player takes the time to climb to 25,000+ft. By the time even a Bf109K-4 climbs up there the Mosquito will be many, many miles ahead.
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It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.
If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.
I haven't decided if it would be a good idea or not... I love the Mossi but I hate bombers and tards that pork the FHs at a good fight (friendly or red guys). At least when some spanner in a bunch of 24s or Lancs carpets the FHs you can run his lame cartoon-arse down and shoot him down.
I can imagine squads of griefers rolling 3+ Mossi bombers.... No chance of FHs, little chance of an intercept and even if you did catch them, they'd still turn it into a dogfight (sans guns on one end) allowing the others to get away.
Could be fun... but the potential for retardation is high.
:lol
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FHs down a problem? I use it as an excuse to visit the throne get a fresh beer make a sandwich and so on. :D
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It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.
If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.
Arch I would think that it would need to be high to get its speed, down low (15k or less) it wouldn't be that fast that it couldn't be caught. So yes it might become the Pork King, but it wont be able to run away.
Anyway lets wait and see if/when we get it.
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I'd like to see the mossie get a makeover,Mk16's would be nice so would a Mk18,however I'd prefer HTC to remove the dampers and bring our mossie to AHII standards. :aok
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Oh how I agree wholeheartedly that out beloved Mossi Mk6 needs an update and model correction. It has been proven multiple times that the dampers were far less common than the un-damper'ed Mossi Mk6's. Our current Mossi is too slow by 5-15mph depending on alt. Giving it a facelift would do a big welcome.
I also agree and have vouched for in other threads that the Mossi deserves more than one variant. I'm not too sure that the "cookie" needs to be added, but I would like to see the 6/500lb version available (Mk16?).
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All Mk XVIs were 'cookie' capable.
And yes, the six 500lber is also the MK XVI.
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Also consider the dweebishness and effect of having a fast, maneuverable aircraft that can handily carry a 4,000lb bomb on GVs. If unperked kamikaze Mosquito B.Mk XVIs would be very, very common against GV attacks.
I agree, I hope they dont dweeb up the mossy, currently she is a subtle and little known monster and I would like to keep it that way.
S!
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Agreed Batty!!!
The real mossie had it's quirks and I think the FM is fine,could use a boost in speed but I'd be happy if they just made her a pretty as she was in RL......
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i second that morf :)
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I prefer the mossie before it was altered. To me it feels like it was given something that limits it's AoA; below ~200mph you can just pull the stick back into your chest without fear of stalling, unless you are hamfisted with the rudder. It also acquired the need for excessive trimming at speeds greater than 240mph if you want to achieve anywhere near full elevator deflection.
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It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.
If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.
I haven't decided if it would be a good idea or not... I love the Mossi but I hate bombers and tards that pork the FHs at a good fight (friendly or red guys). At least when some spanner in a bunch of 24s or Lancs carpets the FHs you can run his lame cartoon-arse down and shoot him down.
I can imagine squads of griefers rolling 3+ Mossi bombers.... No chance of FHs, little chance of an intercept and even if you did catch them, they'd still turn it into a dogfight (sans guns on one end) allowing the others to get away.
Could be fun... but the potential for retardation is high.
:lol
The only tards I know of are the ones who decide their tail chasing furballing shouldnt be interfered with and then strut around like Queens of the cartoon air making up the rules of the game as they see fit.
Fact is the game has rules based on an actual war. Dont like it? Then find another game. Another fact is the Mossie was a remarkably successful attack aircraft in the war. Unprecedented really. Bloody crazy Brits! Who else would make an airplane like that out of wood?
6 X 500 lbs = 3,000 lbs. Less then you can load on a P-47N, which is also fast as all get out. Even if you perk Mossie formations nobody cares about bomber perks anyways. And besides Ive seen hordes of B-17s make 3 or 4 passes over an airfield without anyone bothering to leave their 1,000' furball to go after them.
I like the Mossie as is. Tho I certainly wouldnt mind a bit more speed.
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Fact is the game has rules based on an actual war. Dont like it? Then find another game.
Do you even PLAY this game?
None of the gameplay rules in this game are based on what folks experienced in WW2. They are conventions to keep the gameplay moving in a fair and balanced manner. War is neither, to quote Hitech. This is a game, not war, and needs to have fairness and balance.
P.S. The Mossie was effective because of nuisance raids. It had its hits and its misses (like any other attacker) and its main reason for being "so successful" was speed and sneakiness. When they were spotted enemy fighters couldn't close to their position fast enough. However, plane for plane the LW planes could catch it at almost any alt. The problem is taking off miles away, vectoring in, and THEN chasing them. By the time that happened the mossies were gone.
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Do you even PLAY this game?
None of the gameplay rules in this game are based on what folks experienced in WW2. They are conventions to keep the gameplay moving in a fair and balanced manner. War is neither, to quote Hitech. This is a game, not war, and needs to have fairness and balance.
P.S. The Mossie was effective because of nuisance raids. It had its hits and its misses (like any other attacker) and its main reason for being "so successful" was speed and sneakiness. When they were spotted enemy fighters couldn't close to their position fast enough. However, plane for plane the LW planes could catch it at almost any alt. The problem is taking off miles away, vectoring in, and THEN chasing them. By the time that happened the mossies were gone.
Whatever that means? My point was strategies like hangar bombing and base taking are part and parcel of the game. They are included in the game rules. The airplanes in the game are modeled like the airplanes of WW-ll. There are tactical and strategic targets just like the actual war. Hangars are legitimate targets.
Not that I hangar bang anymore. Ive gone from a 100% bomber stick to a guy thats prevents bombers from upping with ords. But I dont snivel when the Nits or Bish drop our FHs, which happens all the time.
But lets do keep this conversation up. Ive spent far to many months trying to understand you to quit now.
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All Mk XVIs were 'cookie' capable.
And yes, the six 500lber is also the MK XVI.
I didnt look this up, but wasnt the B Mk16 just the pressurized cabin and bulged bombay version of the B Mk6? Am I also correct in thinking that the B Mk6 could carry the six 500lb bombs (bombs were modified to fit in bay) but not the single 4k bomb?
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I didnt look this up, but wasnt the B Mk16 just the pressurized cabin and bulged bombay version of the B Mk6? Am I also correct in thinking that the B Mk6 could carry the six 500lb bombs (bombs were modified to fit in bay) but not the single 4k bomb?
No, the Mk VI is a fighter bomber. The front half of the bomb bay is taken up by the four 20mm cannons so it was limited to four 500lb bombs. The Mk VI was powered by low blown Merlin 21s, 23s or 25s.
The Mk XVIs were either PR aircraft or bombers, in both cases they were unarmed with glass noses. They were pressurized and were powered by (off of memory) a Merlin 70 and Merlin 71 or Merlin 76 and Merlin 77, all high blown engines. They are not handed engines despite the names, but rather one, IIRC, drove the blower for cabin pressure.
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Totally offtopic reply.
Furballs avatar is a famous photo taken by a famous Canadian photographer Yousuf Karsh.
"The story most frequently told of Yousuf Karsh was about the time he photographed Winston Churchill. It was in 1941, in Ottawa, following Churchill’s speech in the House of Commons. Prime Minister King arranged for a portrait session in the Speaker’s chamber. No one had told Churchill of the session, so after lighting up a cigar he growled, “Why was I not told of this?”
Karsh then asked Churchill to remove the cigar for the photographic portrait. When Churchill refused, Karsh, then 33, walked up to the great man, said, “Forgive me, sir,” and calmly snatched the cigar from Churchill’s lips. As Churchill glowered at the camera, Karsh snapped the picture. Karsh regards that portrait as among his three favourites, the other two "being portraits of George Bernard Shaw and Eleanor Roosevelt. "
http://www.cbc.ca/news/obit/karsh/ (http://www.cbc.ca/news/obit/karsh/)
Have bought a book of Karsh' photos. :)
(http://www.yale.edu/terc/democracy/may1text/images/Churchill%20Life.jpg)
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I prefer the mossie before it was altered. To me it feels like it was given something that limits it's AoA; below ~200mph you can just pull the stick back into your chest without fear of stalling, unless you are hamfisted with the rudder. It also acquired the need for excessive trimming at speeds greater than 240mph if you want to achieve anywhere near full elevator deflection.
I agree. After the change I really struggled with the Mossie being less agile. I did learn to adapt and can still pull off some nice moves in it, but only at much lower speeds than before and with much more control input.
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Totally offtopic reply.
Furballs avatar is a famous photo taken by a famous Canadian photographer Yousuf Karsh.
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Wow... total thread hijack Batman!
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No, the Mk VI is a fighter bomber. The front half of the bomb bay is taken up by the four 20mm cannons so it was limited to four 500lb bombs. The Mk VI was powered by low blown Merlin 21s, 23s or 25s.
The Mk XVIs were either PR aircraft or bombers, in both cases they were unarmed with glass noses. They were pressurized and were powered by (off of memory) a Merlin 70 and Merlin 71 or Merlin 76 and Merlin 77, all high blown engines. They are not handed engines despite the names, but rather one, IIRC, drove the blower for cabin pressure.
My bad. I was thinking of the B Mk9: Notice "a few" were modified to take the cookie. Thats where my memory was at. ;)
From http://www.mossie.org/Mosquito_var.htm (http://www.mossie.org/Mosquito_var.htm)
B.IX Bomber. First high altitude unarmed bomber. Merlin 72 intercooled engines with two speed, two stage superchargers. Capacity for four 500lb bombs in the fuselage and two 500lb bombs on the wings or extra fuselage fuel tanks and 50 gallon jettisonable wing tanks. A few were converted to take one 4000lb bomb in the fuselage with two 50 gallon jettisonable wing tanks which were later in 1944 replaced by 100 gallon jettisonable wing tanks subject to a weight limitation of 25,200lb. A Pathfinder version was developed by the RAF.
I could see either version of the Mossi be used with great glee. Bring the B Mk9 or the B Mk16 and the Mossi fan club will be happy!
Oh.. and while your at thngs, HTC, give the FB Mk6 its due and remove those dampeners and increase the speed by 5-15 mph depending on the alt. Multiple threads have pointed out the *real* flaws with the current Ah2 Mossi Mk6. Please give it its due.
:salute
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Very few B.Mk IXs were built, and even fewer were B.Mk IX specials.
We should get the B.Mk IV with Merlin 21s and the B.Mk XVI with Merlin 70/71s or Merlin 76/77s.
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Mossie links
http://www.mossie.org/Mosquito.html
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmoss.html
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Very good links :aok
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GV attacks?
Don't think so, but some things come to mind.
1: good against strat targets,
2: Based on RL, good as a bomb aimer for drop on command. Lets say you drop towns with a Mossie as the aimer and anything fast that carries bombs...p51's, F4u, P47,other Mossies etc. This could be excercized with Bostons actually....hmmmm.
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Our mosquito is more of a fighter than most of the other heavy jabo rides, you would be mental to take down a town with a mossy when you could be using them to vulch while the p51s shed bash. Three decent mossy pilots should be able to deack a medium field in one pass shooting the 20mm at up to 1100yrds range on the dive.
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FHs down a problem? I use it as an excuse to visit the throne get a fresh beer make a sandwich and so on. :D
(http://fattychow.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/cookie-monster-diet.jpg)
:)
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Our mosquito is more of a fighter than most of the other heavy jabo rides, you would be mental to take down a town with a mossy when you could be using them to vulch while the p51s shed bash. Three decent mossy pilots should be able to deack a medium field in one pass shooting the 20mm at up to 1100yrds range on the dive.
Mine always gets hit and catches fire :D
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catching fire is the mossy version of landing succesfully :)
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great find Furball.
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Mine always gets hit and catches fire :D
It is way better than it used to be when 1 ping would light it up.
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IMHO the mossie needs a freshen up.
Spme 2 models and a new cockpit :D
painful, I tell ya,,,,
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Much as I love the Mossie, I'd prefer a gameplay update. Strat that means something, bridges that cut supply when knocked out, anything in fact.
Meh, I'm just a whinar. :furious
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The difficulty for developers is they cannot please all the people all the time. Lucky if they please half the people half the time. At least with model updates HTC know their efforts will be appreciated and improve the game for everyone. Changing gameplay mechanics is a risky business and unrewarding in terms of customer satisfaction so finding a balance and sticking to it is far wiser. Not saying i wouldnt like to see gameplay tweaks and additions but just think of the difficulty of having to decide which customers to listen to.
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Yeah, understood. What we have now is no doubt "everybody's second choice", as opposed to the first choice of a subset of people. Commercially wise, but I can't face it anymore.
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My biggest question is when overwhelming evidence is presented to HTC with regards to an inaacurate flight model with one of their planes why it isnt corrected. It seems that many of the remedies could be applied rather easily. There have been many threads on the Mossi in the past 8 mos.
The incorrect speed tables for the Mossi FB Mk IV have been noted many time, with printed sources, and yet nothing has been done. I understand that there were some control/stall issues at one point and they corrected that, but the Mossi's biggest asset (besides being the best multi-role plane in WWII) was speed. Robbing it of its biggest asset is a shame. Evidently, those blasted flame dampeners are the culprit of the 5-15mph deficiency (5mph at 8k and 15 mph at 15k). Those flame dampeners were present on less than %20 of the FB Mk IV, iirc.