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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on September 20, 2008, 10:03:04 AM
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Palin haters seem to be either terrified of her, or panic stricken girlymen who fear their hero, the phoney who has done nothing in life so far and has zero qualifications will lose the election. Either way, they are not worth the little spider that would have them leaping on a chair screaming like a little girl.
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What I find so funny is how they all say shes not quilified to be VP or President. Maybe they should look up a little history and see that she has the same quailifications that Teddy Roosevelt had when he became VP and eventually President.
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Palin haters seem to be either terrified of her, or panic stricken girlymen who fear their hero, the phoney who has done nothing in life so far and has zero qualifications will lose the election. Either way, they are not worth the little spider that would have them leaping on a chair screaming like a little girl.
So sorry, we don't care for the more of the same incompetent people ruining the country the next 4 years like yall put in the last 8 years. Yall have very screwed and one sided views and your decision making process is flawed as we wouldn't have the same loser in the WH two terms in a row because yall refuse facts or common logic.
You all put this moron in office a second time after the fact of knowing he was nothing but horrific trouble,.. and you want us to believe that THIS TIME you got it right> Don't think so. Look what we got from listening to the righty neo trekkies the last two times. Strike out this time (#3) and you can bet this country will surge into a depression.
We ain't scared of Paline as much as we are scared of party-liners voting in another loser.
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(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/Kaw1000/Jkerry.jpg)
I have a plan for this I have a plan for that...yea Mr. Kerry what is your plan?
None ever heard what his plan was...and you wanted me to vote for this guy?? lololol
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What I find so funny is how they all say shes not quilified to be VP or President. Maybe they should look up a little history and see that she has the same quailifications that Teddy Roosevelt had when he became VP and eventually President.
Teddy's main qualification was he didn't have an abortion?
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Teddy's main qualification was he didn't have an abortion?
Oh, clever....but stupid.
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So sorry, we don't care for the more of the same incompetent people ruining the country the next 4 years like yall put in the last 8 years. Yall have very screwed and one sided views and your decision making process is flawed as we wouldn't have the same loser in the WH two terms in a row because yall refuse facts or common logic.
You all put this moron in office a second time after the fact of knowing he was nothing but horrific trouble,.. and you want us to believe that THIS TIME you got it right> Don't think so. Look what we got from listening to the righty neo trekkies the last two times. Strike out this time (#3) and you can bet this country will surge into a depression.
We ain't scared of Paline as much as we are scared of party-liners voting in another loser.
Would you have preferred a traitor who makes a habit of insulting our military personnel? A traitor who stabbed in the back the very soldiers and sailors he served with as soon as he got home?
Would you have preferred to vote for a traitor who was the only brownwater sailor during the whole Viet Nam war who took the option of coming home after 3 (very questionably earned) purple hearts? A traitor who "had a plan" for everything but couldn't explain any of them? Yeah, the most elitist liberal jerk with an abysmal voting record in Congress?
IF so, you probably would vote for Obama, the most elitist, arrogant, empty suit who has accomplished nothing, who has authored no major bills, who has had 94 chances to vote to hold back tax increases but instead voted for tax increases every single time? The empty suit who disputed John McCain in 2005 when McCain warned of problems developing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Is that the guy you want? Is that your idea of someone who should lead this country? Your idea of a leader is a guy who has asked the Iraqis to withhold the plan to start moving troops out of Iraq until after the election so he can use that for his platform? You know, sacrifice American troops so he can use that to help get elected? That's your wet dream?
Sad when voters don't open their eyes, who vote against a party rather than consider the candidates and vote for the best candidate.
I guess you count yourself among those.
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So sorry, we don't care for the more of the same incompetent people ruining the country the next 4 years like yall put in the last 8 years. Yall have very screwed and one sided views and your decision making process is flawed as we wouldn't have the same loser in the WH two terms in a row because yall refuse facts or common logic.
You all put this moron in office a second time after the fact of knowing he was nothing but horrific trouble,.. and you want us to believe that THIS TIME you got it right> Don't think so. Look what we got from listening to the righty neo trekkies the last two times. Strike out this time (#3) and you can bet this country will surge into a depression.
We ain't scared of Paline as much as we are scared of party-liners voting in another loser.
And obamabinbiden are dramatically different and therefore far more qualified?
explain how they can save us?
All I see are two guys, one for president who has never made a stand or difference in any stage of his life and the other a career politition.
where is the dramatic change you imply coming from?
please explain.
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So sorry, we don't care for the more of the same incompetent people ruining the country the next 4 years.....
What exactly makes Obama any more competent than Bush? Is Obama is more competent than McCain? How so?
Are you saying that Obama is more competent to be President than Palin is as Vice President?
Since you insinuate McCain and Palin are incompetent, I'll be happy to listen you you explain why Obama is more competent than either of them. Substance, not flowery words that I hear in soundbytes every day of the week. None of the nebulous 'change' or 'hope' b.s.
Prove to me in a side-by-side why Obama is more competent than Palin (the thread is about Palin, not McCain) and I'd even consider to vote for some other party than Independent.
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Obama Bin Biden his time.
Obama will say and do anything to anyone to get his power trip on. Obama is not a black man but he gets all the media attention as the first black this and the first black that. He is not black but he talks like it when the crowd is black and it suits him. He sure is not white, but when he is with a bunch of white people he talks just like them. He is a facade, a fake and a damned smart one at that, and like Biden says...he is clean cut. Oh and watch out....as soon as someone who doesnt like him refers to hill color then its all about RACISM!!!!
Yeah, look out for this guy Obama. He is not real.
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Oh, clever....but stupid.
She's not really that clever, that was Tina Fey you were watching.
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She's not really that clever, that was Tina Fey you were watching.
Nice try....FAIL!
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Would you have preferred a traitor who makes a habit of insulting our military personnel? A traitor who stabbed in the back the very soldiers and sailors he served with as soon as he got home?
Would you have preferred to vote for a traitor who was the only brownwater sailor during the whole Viet Nam war who took the option of coming home after 3 (very questionably earned) purple hearts? A traitor who "had a plan" for everything but couldn't explain any of them? Yeah, the most elitist liberal jerk with an abysmal voting record in Congress?
IF so, you probably would vote for Obama, the most elitist, arrogant, empty suit who has accomplished nothing, who has authored no major bills, -- name all the bills McCain authored in 20 years...who has had 94 chances to vote to hold back tax increases but instead voted for tax increases every single time? The empty suit who disputed John McCain in 2005 when McCain warned of problems developing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Is that the guy you want? Is that your idea of someone who should lead this country? Your idea of a leader is a guy who has asked the Iraqis to withhold the plan to start moving troops out of Iraq until after the election so he can use that for his platform? --already proven to be false--written by a writer who profits from the war in Iraq-- You know, sacrifice American troops so he can use that to help get elected? --wow...even if you thought he was the biggest doofus in the world...you believe he would be that dumb to even attempt to influence something like that?...wow....and I have a bridge in Alaska that I want to sell you cheap.... anyone who swallows writing like that....wow... the guy is trying to be elected president and you believe that statement to be true?...wow...American edgema cashun at its finest... did they teach you how to discern theory from fact anytime in the schools you went to?That's your wet dream?....
Sad when voters don't open their eyes, --lol--- who vote against a party rather than consider the candidates and vote for the best candidate.
I guess you count yourself among those.
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name all the bills McCain authored in 20 years.
How about if I just give you the bills from the 2007 -2008 session?
Bills in 2007-2008 (the 110th Congress) sponsored by McCain:
Status Bill
Passed Senate
Sep 18, 2008
S. 531: A bill to repeal section 10(f) of Public Law 93-531, commonly known as the "Bennett Freeze".
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 10, 2008
S. 1304: Arizona National Scenic Trail Act
Scheduled for Debate
Sep 15, 2008
S. 1255: Indian Arts and Crafts Amendments Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Sep 17, 2007
S. 722: Walnut Canyon Study Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 10, 2008
S. 86: Fossil Creek Wild and Scenic River Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Mar 1, 2007
S. 84: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2007
Introduced
Apr 17, 2008
S. 2890: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for a highway fuel tax holiday.
Introduced
Oct 16, 2007
S. 2172: Saffron Revolution Support Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 30, 2007
S. 1900: A bill to authorize appropriations for the United States Institute for Environmental Conflict Resolution.
Introduced
Mar 21, 2007
S. 952: A bill to amend the Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental and Native American Public Policy Act of 1992 to provide funds for training in tribal leadership, management, and policy, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Mar 1, 2007
S. 744: SAVE LIVES Act
Introduced
Feb 16, 2007
S. 663: A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to repeal the statutory designation of beneficiaries of the $100,000 death gratuity under section 1477 of title 10, United States Code, and to permit members of the Armed Forces to designate in writing their beneficiaries of choice in the event of their death while serving on active duty.
Introduced
Feb 7, 2007
S. 519: SAFE Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 1, 2007
S. 478: Federal Election Administration Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 31, 2007
S. 463: 527 Reform Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 17, 2007
S. 327: Cesar Estrada Chavez Study Act
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 192: Lobbying, Ethics, and Earmarks Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 166: Cell Phone Tax Moratorium Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 85: Indian Tribes Methamphetamine Reduction Grants Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 83: Rail Security Act of 2007
Introduced
May 22, 2007
S. 32: Defense Acquisition Reform Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 5, 2007
S.Res. 70: Iraq War Policy resolution
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How about if I just give you the bills from the 2007 -2008 session?
Bills in 2007-2008 (the 110th Congress) sponsored by McCain:
Status Bill
Passed Senate
Sep 18, 2008
S. 531: A bill to repeal section 10(f) of Public Law 93-531, commonly known as the "Bennett Freeze".
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 10, 2008
S. 1304: Arizona National Scenic Trail Act
Scheduled for Debate
Sep 15, 2008
S. 1255: Indian Arts and Crafts Amendments Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Sep 17, 2007
S. 722: Walnut Canyon Study Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 10, 2008
S. 86: Fossil Creek Wild and Scenic River Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Mar 1, 2007
S. 84: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2007
Introduced
Apr 17, 2008
S. 2890: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for a highway fuel tax holiday.
Introduced
Oct 16, 2007
S. 2172: Saffron Revolution Support Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 30, 2007
S. 1900: A bill to authorize appropriations for the United States Institute for Environmental Conflict Resolution.
Introduced
Mar 21, 2007
S. 952: A bill to amend the Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental and Native American Public Policy Act of 1992 to provide funds for training in tribal leadership, management, and policy, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Mar 1, 2007
S. 744: SAVE LIVES Act
Introduced
Feb 16, 2007
S. 663: A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to repeal the statutory designation of beneficiaries of the $100,000 death gratuity under section 1477 of title 10, United States Code, and to permit members of the Armed Forces to designate in writing their beneficiaries of choice in the event of their death while serving on active duty.
Introduced
Feb 7, 2007
S. 519: SAFE Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 1, 2007
S. 478: Federal Election Administration Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 31, 2007
S. 463: 527 Reform Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 17, 2007
S. 327: Cesar Estrada Chavez Study Act
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 192: Lobbying, Ethics, and Earmarks Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 166: Cell Phone Tax Moratorium Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 85: Indian Tribes Methamphetamine Reduction Grants Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007
S. 83: Rail Security Act of 2007
Introduced
May 22, 2007
S. 32: Defense Acquisition Reform Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 5, 2007
S.Res. 70: Iraq War Policy resolution
ok...how about the ones that were actually passed ..not just the ones that were written by his aides
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ok...how about the ones that were actually passed ..not just the ones that were written by his aides
LOL lets see the messiahs first .
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ok...how about the ones that were actually passed ..not just the ones that were written by his aides
Man, talk about an empty suit :huh
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Man, talk about an empty suit :huh
?... just asked for the ones that were passed in 20 years that he authored
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Would you have preferred a traitor who makes a habit of insulting our military personnel? A traitor who stabbed in the back the very soldiers and sailors he served with as soon as he got home?
Would you have preferred to vote for a traitor who was the only brownwater sailor during the whole Viet Nam war who took the option of coming home after 3 (very questionably earned) purple hearts? A traitor who "had a plan" for everything but couldn't explain any of them? Yeah, the most elitist liberal jerk with an abysmal voting record in Congress?
There's a lot to be critical of Kerry, but his military service is not.
BTW, where and when were you fighting for this country (other than O'Club flame wars)?
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LOL lets see the messiahs first .
no...lets see the guys who has been in the senate for 20 years first
Plus you should probably quit calling him your messiah...
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There's a lot to be critical of Kerry, but his military service is not.
BTW, where and when were you fighting for this country (other than O'Club flame wars)?
Yes, his military service is something to be critical of, as was his treatment of our servicemen in the press and in testimony before congress when he returned where he basically accused the US troops wholesale of torture, rape, murder of innocent people. He served less than half a tour, got himself awarded three very questionable purple hearts (I think one was a self-inflicted wound), and was the only brown water sailor of the whole war to use that to leave the combat zone and go home. Following that, he made a big public deal about throwing his medals over a fence in front of the capitol. Yeah, got him some publicity at the time. Then when running for the presidency, he was asked about that act, and he decided it was time to expose himself for the lieing phoney he is or was, he said "ahhh, they weren't my medals, they belonged to other guys". So, which act do you honor, throwing away his own medals, or lieing and later saying it was others medals and he was lieing back then?
I was never in the military, never claimed I was. Doesn't mean I can't spot and despise a phoney who was a traitor to the brave men who stayed, fought and died. He ran like a coward, they stayed and showed the guts and moral fortitude he lacked.
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LOL lets see the messiahs first .
Here ya go:
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Here ya go:
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:O Wow.... all that...impressive. :rofl
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i did not see his involvement in ACORN and voter fraud on the list.
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no...lets see the guys who has been in the senate for 20 years first
Plus you should probably quit calling him your messiah...
We're suppose to listen to people who voted a train wreck into office>>> twice? LOL I so think not.
Mother Goose told great stories too.
Can you say "white knuckle death grip on party,.. in spite of facts"? Sure I knew you could :)
Party-line = Pinhole vision.
I have to admit it IS entertainment. <snork!>
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as was his treatment of our servicemen in the press and in testimony before congress when he returned where he basically accused the US troops wholesale of torture, rape, murder of innocent people.
:rofl Blame the messenger, not the message.
My Lai
Tiger Force
Coy Allegation
Song Ve Valley and Operation Wheeler
the routine torture and execution of prisoners[8]
the routine practice of intentionally killing unarmed Vietnamese villagers including men, women, children, and elderly people[9]
the routine practice of cutting off and collecting the ears of victims[10]
the practice of wearing necklaces composed of human ears[11]
the practice of cutting off and collecting the scalps of victims[12]
an incident where a young mother was drugged, raped, and then executed[13]
an incident where a soldier killed a baby and cut off it's head after the baby's mother was killed[14]
Tiger Force on 9-mile march ending Operation Hawthorne in 1966The investigators concluded that many of the war crimes indeed took place.[15] Despite this, the Army decided not to pursue any prosecutions.[16]
"WITNESS: “Thirty seconds after the shooting stopped, I knew that I was going to do something about it,” said Jamie Henry, who saw many civilians killed.
Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai.
The men of B Company were in a dangerous state of mind. They had lost five men in a firefight the day before. The morning of Feb. 8, 1968, brought unwelcome orders to resume their sweep of the countryside, a green patchwork of rice paddies along Vietnam's central coast.
They met no resistance as they entered a nondescript settlement in Quang Nam province. So Jamie Henry, a 20-year-old medic, set his rifle down in a hut, unfastened his bandoliers and lighted a cigarette.
Just then, the voice of a lieutenant crackled across the radio. He reported that he had rounded up 19 civilians, and wanted to know what to do with them. Henry later recalled the company commander's response:
Kill anything that moves.
Henry stepped outside the hut and saw a small crowd of women and children. Then the shooting began.
Moments later, the 19 villagers lay dead or dying.
Back home in California, Henry published an account of the slaughter and held a news conference to air his allegations. Yet he and other Vietnam veterans who spoke out about war crimes were branded traitors and fabricators. No one was ever prosecuted for the massacre.
Now, nearly 40 years later, declassified Army files show that Henry was telling the truth — about the Feb. 8 killings and a series of other atrocities by the men of B Company.
The files are part of a once-secret archive, assembled by a Pentagon task force in the early 1970s, that shows that confirmed atrocities by U.S. forces in Vietnam were more extensive than was previously known."
I duess this fella James, is also unpatriotic for "telling the truth", or unpatriotic for "doing the right thing".????
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:rofl Blame the messenger, not the message.
My Lai
Tiger Force
Coy Allegation
Song Ve Valley and Operation Wheeler
the routine torture and execution of prisoners[8]
the routine practice of intentionally killing unarmed Vietnamese villagers including men, women, children, and elderly people[9]
the routine practice of cutting off and collecting the ears of victims[10]
the practice of wearing necklaces composed of human ears[11]
the practice of cutting off and collecting the scalps of victims[12]
an incident where a young mother was drugged, raped, and then executed[13]
an incident where a soldier killed a baby and cut off it's head after the baby's mother was killed[14]
Tiger Force on 9-mile march ending Operation Hawthorne in 1966The investigators concluded that many of the war crimes indeed took place.[15] Despite this, the Army decided not to pursue any prosecutions.[16]
"WITNESS: “Thirty seconds after the shooting stopped, I knew that I was going to do something about it,” said Jamie Henry, who saw many civilians killed.
Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai.
The men of B Company were in a dangerous state of mind. They had lost five men in a firefight the day before. The morning of Feb. 8, 1968, brought unwelcome orders to resume their sweep of the countryside, a green patchwork of rice paddies along Vietnam's central coast.
They met no resistance as they entered a nondescript settlement in Quang Nam province. So Jamie Henry, a 20-year-old medic, set his rifle down in a hut, unfastened his bandoliers and lighted a cigarette.
Just then, the voice of a lieutenant crackled across the radio. He reported that he had rounded up 19 civilians, and wanted to know what to do with them. Henry later recalled the company commander's response:
Kill anything that moves.
Henry stepped outside the hut and saw a small crowd of women and children. Then the shooting began.
Moments later, the 19 villagers lay dead or dying.
Back home in California, Henry published an account of the slaughter and held a news conference to air his allegations. Yet he and other Vietnam veterans who spoke out about war crimes were branded traitors and fabricators. No one was ever prosecuted for the massacre.
Now, nearly 40 years later, declassified Army files show that Henry was telling the truth — about the Feb. 8 killings and a series of other atrocities by the men of B Company.
The files are part of a once-secret archive, assembled by a Pentagon task force in the early 1970s, that shows that confirmed atrocities by U.S. forces in Vietnam were more extensive than was previously known."
I duess this fella James, is also unpatriotic for "telling the truth", or unpatriotic for "doing the right thing".????
So, I guess you think in less than half a tour on a boat, Kerry was witness to all this? Or do you think he listened to rumors and spouted it as fact?
Do you think all the soldiers in the 10 years we were there did this? (If you do, you are an idiot)
What you list were very isolated and rare instances, but Kerry painted it as if it was commonplace. To do so was an extreme disservice to the good men who served there.
I am pretty sure I am safe in saying, Kerry didn't witness any of these types of incidents.
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Wow ~ why is that funny?
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Kerry is the guy that put George Bush into his second term. The left should hate Kerry :rofl
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I was with the 9th Infantry, Riverine, doing S&E for the PBR's, occasionally having to go recover swifts and whalers the squids beached or lost. The guy was a grandstanding twit, violated every known engagement and support SOP and put others at risk routinely in his pursuit of glory. I spent 9 long months there cleaning up after arsehat salamanders just like him.
He shoulda stopped a bullet. What he did after the war earns him as much respect from most vets as Hanoi Jane did.
I wouldn't elect him dog catcher.
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So, I guess you think in less than half a tour on a boat, Kerry was witness to all this? Or do you think he listened to rumors and spouted it as fact?
Do you think all the soldiers in the 10 years we were there did this?
No, but it did happen and it happened much more than we will ever know.
What you list were very isolated and rare instances, but Kerry painted it as if it was commonplace. To do so was an extreme disservice to the good men who served there.
There were many instances, most of which we will never know about.
I am pretty sure I am safe in saying, Kerry didn't witness any of these types of incidents.
Kerry was there representing a group and relaying testimony.
"...I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony...."
"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command...."
Here, try googling this...Vietnam War Crimes Working Group Files. They detail 320 alleged incidents that were substantiated by United States Army investigators — not including the 1968 My Lai Massacre. Most of the alleged incidents happened from '67 to '72, so we're looking at 5 incidents a month, for 5 years. I wouldn't call that "very isolated and rare instances", I'd call that way to many. :aok
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I was with the 9th Infantry, Riverine, doing S&E for the PBR's, occasionally having to go recover swifts and whalers the squids beached or lost. The guy was a grandstanding twit, violated every known engagement and support SOP and put others at risk routinely in his pursuit of glory. I spent 9 long months there cleaning up after arsehat hoots just like him.
He shoulda stopped a bullet. What he did after the war earns him as much respect from most vets as Hanoi Jane did.
I wouldn't elect him dog catcher.
So, because he was a grandstander and a twit, what he reported didn't happen? :rolleyes:
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...and it happened much more than we will ever know.
There were many instances, most of which we will never know about.
What do you base this on? Where you there?
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What do you base this on? Where you there?
Because he saw it in a movie, he knows all about it. :rolleyes:
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So, because he was a grandstander and a twit, what he reported didn't happen? :rolleyes:
I'd like to explain it to you in person. Please help me make the connection for you between those of us that served with honor and those that defamed, reviled and insulted our service with propaganda and lies.. The insulator of anonymity, a keyboard and a monitor is all that protects you from the impact of reality borne by the more than 2.5 million 'baby killers' still walking the streets that served in that war... and what we think of ultra melons like Kerry. And You.
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So, because he was a grandstander and a twit, what he reported didn't happen? :rolleyes:
You aren't aware that at least ONE of the people's testimony at the Winter Soldier's hearings, of atrocities which our boys allegedly committed, (which Kerry dutifully relayed) was never IN the military?
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What do you base this on? Where you there?
I base them on the fact that I was told several stories by my father, who was told about them by my uncle who died there on mothers day of 1968 outside of Hue.
SISK HARRY DUNCAN SSGT ARMY HUNTSVILLE AL 12MAY68 S.VIETNAM 16FEB44 HOSTILE, KILLED
The fact that my uncle first hand witnessed some murders of civilians, tells me that there are other uncles, brothers, sons, that never said anything about what they saw as well. The memories of these happenings haunted my uncle, he could never sleep the whole night without having nightmares about what he saw. He inevitably signed back up for another tour and never came back.
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Please help me make the connection for you between those of us that served with honor and those that defamed, reviled and insulted our service with propaganda and lies..
Are you saying people that served and reported war crimes served dishonorably? It is in the records that incidents happened frequently, is that propaganda? :rolleyes:
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I base them on the fact that I was told several stories by my father, who was told about them by my uncle who died there on mothers day of 1968 outside of Hue.
SISK HARRY DUNCAN SSGT ARMY HUNTSVILLE AL 12MAY68 S.VIETNAM 16FEB44 HOSTILE, KILLED
The fact that my uncle first hand witnessed some murders of civilians, tells me that there are other uncles, brothers, sons, that never said anything about what they saw as well. The memories of these happenings haunted my uncle, he could never sleep the whole night without having nightmares about what he saw. He inevitably signed back up for another tour and never came back.
I fail to see your logic...your uncle told, therefore there must be so many others that did not tell?
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You aren't aware that at least ONE of the people's testimony at the Winter Soldier's hearings, of atrocities which our boys allegedly committed, (which Kerry dutifully relayed) was never IN the military?
Again, are you saying the 320 incidents that are on file never happened?
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I fail to see your logic...your uncle told, therefore there must be so many others that did not tell?
My uncle confided in my father, he never reported the incidents to his superiors. I am sure there were others besides the 320 documented cases of war crimes by US troops that went untold.
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Again, are you saying the 320 incidents that are on file never happened?
I'm saying Kerry reported specific incidents which never happened, and he knew it. That certainly doesn't mean the stuff DIDN'T happen, but if you have to lie to make your point, you lose the argument
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so skyrock, how many babies, women and old men did your uncle kill?
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Not every American soldier was a saint? :O
Some funky bad sh*t went down in a war zone? :eek:
Some "innocents" got killed by the American soldiers? In an un-winnable operation where the little darlins' we were fighting constantly fought out of uniforms and deliberately used women and children to do much of their dirty work? :cry
Wow, that changes my whole take on everything. :rolleyes: Think I'll move to North Vietnam and live with the "forces of righteousness"
Skyrock, you want to talk about war crimes? We need to take McNamara, Johnson's corpse, and anyone else who was responsible for getting us involved Vietnam but didn't have the balls to to fight to win, and hang their corpses from the city gates.
And we need to give Truman's mortal coil the same treatment, for failure to either let MacArthur kick as much bellybutton as possible OR keep us out of the whole sorry affair entirely.
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I'm saying Kerry reported specific incidents which never happened, and he knew it. That certainly doesn't mean the stuff DIDN'T happen, but if you have to lie to make your point, you lose the argument
There never was an argument just people denying the fact that it happened. If you believe Kerry went up there and told a story he knew to be false, then that is your right, I am thankful he did what he did. We as a country should learn from our mistakes. :aok
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There never was an argument just people denying the fact that it happened. If you believe Kerry went up there and told a story he knew to be false, then that is your right, I am thankful he did what he did. We as a country should learn from our mistakes. :aok
You sure you're not Rosie O'Donnell? Maybe Alex Baldwin? Shawn Penn?
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There never was an argument just people denying the fact that it happened. If you believe Kerry went up there and told a story he knew to be false, then that is your right, I am thankful he did what he did. We as a country should learn from our mistakes. :aok
We DID learn--we trashed the draft...what...35 years ago now?
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Skyrock, you want to talk about war crimes? We need to take McNamara, Johnson's corpse, and anyone else who was responsible for getting us involved Vietnam but didn't have the balls to to fight to win, and hang their corpses from the city gates.
And we need to give Truman's mortal coil the same treatment, for failure to either let MacArthur kick as much bellybutton as possible OR keep us out of the whole sorry affair entirely.
Don't forget coward Mark Clark. I agree completely.
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The hate just keeps on coming. They're not even bothering with attempted disguises anymore. Dunno about you but I find this "elitist" humor mean spirited and juvenile. Of course I don't speak for anyone else but I'd bet the large part of America feels the same.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/22/snl-palin-incest-joke-falls-flat-in-sketch-lampooning-new-york-times/
"One reporter asks: “What about the husband? You know he’s doing those daughters. I mean, come on. It’s Alaska.”"
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Which one would you chose today?
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