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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on October 01, 2008, 06:07:45 AM
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Took a few days to think about posting this for discussion...
Scenario:
Mid-War arena
My plane: Spitfire 9
Enemy plane: 2 P38J flying in pairs
I got shot down by one of them 2-3 times in a row.
I never said anything and kept trying to defeat. These 2 guys were in sync and after few passes, one of them was lining me up every time.
Good for them and "good for me ! " Learning experience and the scraps were video recorded :aok
Well the one who shot me down(2-3X) was obviously low in ammo and RTB.
The other one stayed.
I got up and this time the game wasn't so much fun for him :lol
I'm an average pilot and play this game for Spitfires. I luv my Spit9 :D
As for the P38J, I know the kite theory wise. Pros and cons....
After a few passes, the pilot in the 38J(above me with E at all times) comes out and comments: " Flat turns are for newbies spitfire dweebs "
He was getting upset because he couldn't line me up ! :rofl
I hope this pilot reads this !
If my actions were sooooo DWEEB or NEWBY or IF SPITS are for beginners only, why couldn't you finish me off ?
Then with time, I was at almost same alt but suddenly he was out of fuel(what he said) and had to rtb....
Conclusion: two average pilots met and either one gave each other a shot !
Real conclusion: One think he's better than the other because he's a TOP 3 fighter pilot in ranks/scores AND he lacks of patience :rofl
Ahhh we crossed each other after the initial scuffle.
He got me and I got him... :aok
I use the .squelch and play the game...
All of my scraps are recorded for my learning tool.
When I view them, ya should see the comments he throws at me ! Hilarious !
What he does for RANKS and SCORES is sad.
I'm fighter sweeping for 20min and looking at the map, bombers are on the way and he's taking time to gain alt. Suddenly patience pays off ! I see the enemy formation and I'm above.
Suddenly POUF ! X3 Pilot bails out ! all is recorded !
Got one proxie out of 3.
Guess who ? The same TOP RANKED player...
Then the comments starts :o :o
I have been playing for 3yrs(back from an 8mths leave) now and enjoy the game.
I've met many of you and have given you good scraps(win or lose)
Ack-Ack, Hired Guns, Muppets, Bi-Polar, Leusche, Mace, Hamer6 and many LTARS
Vonholtz and the list goes on....
As for the sad player, of all the "perk points" you have accumulated, buy yourself a personality and respect others !
If I was as good as you with top ranks, I would be helping the ones looking up to you ! You were a beginner once too !
Grow up ! This game is for mature players only ;)
Ahhhhh thanks guys !
Feel better now :lol :D
Phil
OPP7755
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It's nothing new. The pilots with high scores usually either fly with a wingman, with an alt advantage, or with reduced fuel loads to reduce weight. Looks like you hit the pilot that used all 3 in the same flight. The "smack talk" was just to try and get you out of your strategy and play into his by trying to convince you to stop using the flat turn.
The other strategy they use is to fly perk planes like the Tempest or F4U-C and go hunting against the unperked planes low on alt.
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There are obviously some notable exceptions (and you all know who you are), but generally speaking, the better a player's rank, the worse they are at 1v1's. They just don't practice them.
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There are obviously some notable exceptions (and you all know who you are), but generally speaking, the better a player's rank, the worse they are at 1v1's. They just don't practice them.
Yep Shawk is just TERRIBLE in the DA, granted your right on the theory - higher ranked tends to be less skilled however - look at the fighter rank to determine the better pilot. someone with 40 K/D ratio is likely to hit and run, someone with 2.5 k/d more likely to dogfight, or 0.50 k/d could be a base defender.
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Initially thought this was about me.....then noticed Phil had put the "Top Player" bit in :D :D......mighty relieved its not me.
Come across this at times, annoying, but not a major deal - just hunt em down and kill em again and again.
<S>
Wurzel
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Don't worry about it just do your thing & don't take the bait.
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Phil, don't go by the scores. 95% of those in the top 25 are no class dweebs who pad their scores just to be seen at the top of the board.
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Thanks guys....
Its just sad :(
Using the SQUELCH works fine but when we review the films for learning purposes, these immature boring comments show up ! :P :o
Can't deny it ! It does frustrate many of us !
Making comments simply for you to take the bait, I don't bite at all !!!
But making personal comments after the scrap regardless the outcome, com'on enjoy the game and leave me(us) alone !
If we cross, we will fight till death... If I come out on top, try again !
If I lose, I view the film and hopefully a better challenge when we cross again !
This pilot certainly supports the RHUMORS !
Skilled pilot but lacks of others :frown:
Phil / OPP7755
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Again..... rank means nothing at all.
Opp <S> the few times I have encountered your spit I enjoyed the fights.
I do refer to them jokingly as Trainers though because we used them in H2H to get a new pilots feet wet. It would give them some confidence.
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All P-38 pilots are jerks. Don't worry about it. :D
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All P-38 pilots are jerks. Don't worry about it. :D
Can't argue with that ;)
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Guess i know who this post is about! :P Nope its not me hahahahah! :D
Had some good fights with you OPP <S>
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Yeah rank is meaningless....
I was defending a base (2-3 of us) vs a rook morning horde of about 10+ cons.. they finally established their cap, so i'm talking smack in tower...
this one rooktard PM's me (yeah, PM's, lol) and tells me to up so he can kill me.. i inquire if he'll take that bravado to the DA... surprisingly he agrees.. i let him choose the ride.. spit1's... okaaaaaayy... say 7k pre-merge alt cap (base is 6k, deck is 4k)... of course he shows at 10k+... he dies anyway... re-ups 2 more times in a spit5 vs my spit1 and even with alt still dies horribly....
So.. i get accused, "you either have stall limiter off, or you're cheating." Of course I have the stall limiter off, duh...
I tell him i've only been playing AH 5+ years and then get called a "DA cheater" yeah, right, okay... you been playing 7 months huh? talk less learn to fight more, or stick to buffs and vulch hordes.
sad thing is... this dweeb is ranked 167 overall... just goes to show the ranking system is entirely meaningless.
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lol Shane....
I hear that kind of stuff goes on in the DA alot these days.
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Hey OPP, it's been a while since I last ran into you with that Spit 9 of yours! :D My opinion is don't let it bother you. When somebody starts to talk smack, I try and ignore it. When they PM me, that's when it gets annoying. I usually ask them not to do it and if it persists, I just report it. Yeah, it sounds childish but then again, it works most of the time.
Hope to see you in the MW from time to time. :aok
Obie
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Obie... reporting someone for constant PMing you with negative verbage is not childish. The person PMing you is the childish one. <S>
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I don't wanna hijack this thread, but let me point out the opposite, too...
Yesterday my wingman and I tangled with a Niki and a 109K-4. Inevitably, we got split up, with me on the 109 and my wingman on the Niki. That 109 and I went round and round for nearly 10 minutes, neither could get a great shooting position on the other (I was in a Spit 16). Eventually, I ran out of fuel (burned all 75% over the base in defense), and he got me. Turns out it was Bruv...
I was so damn proud of myself that I was able to stay alive for that long, and I tuned to him to thank him for a great fight. Nice guy, no attitude whatsoever. I gotta say that in the 4 months that I've been playing this game, that is one of the most memorable moments I've had.
Not all the top-ranked players are idiots, and not all top-ranked players use Temps and -1Cs to hunt Spit Is to pad their scores.
~S~
JH
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Yea herne you hung the 16 up very well, I was trying to get a decent rope on you but you just came up a little too far everytime.
I was low on 30mm before we engaged as I had 6 kills already. Others would have ran off happy but I'm a perfectionist and thought i'd see if I could get one more. Blew the 30 mm on some shots, I hardly ever fly the thing thats my excuse (insert schlowys comments :lol)!
When I saw you ran out of fuel I thought I'd better finish you with MG's before the friendlies started licking their lips.
:salute
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Dont worry give him a few more months to get it out of his sytem and you will see bruv slide down the ranks and up the DA hierachy :D
edit: speak of the devil and he shows up infront of you!
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Thanks again guys !
The culprit hasn't stepped forward and that's ok...
SHUFFLER you were the other P38 during the engagements. You did very well Sir !
Couldn't commit to either one of you :mad: You guys had the momentum and timing was perfect !
Darn that P38J can bite you in the butt ! :mad: Speed lots of speed !
My poor Spit9 is soooo fragile and intimidated when ALL THOSE ROUNDS coming at me ! :(
SHUFFLER was present when the smack comment was thrown at me....
Not gonna mention any names and NOT ALL TOP RANK are disrespectable !
Many of them are top notch and I salute them for their good work and assistance !!!!
Phil / OPP7755
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I R TEH 38J DWEEB
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I've been playing this game off and on for a looooong time. And it's always been this way.
I'd rather be a "2-weeker" or "Newb" than be a "Rank flying Altitude queen". Most newbs and 2-weekers are stoked and excited, and are more fun to fly with.
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Most newbs and 2-weekers are stoked and excited, and are more fun to fly with.
They make better bait too! :devil
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Well this post reflects very badly on me. I just ranked as the #1 player in MW. In fact I've been in that position for just about the whole month.
I didn't get it by cheating or using a second acct. to vulch myself on
I never PM anyone and especially would never use it give someone a hard time
I don't talk smack except to the above mentioned because it should not be tolerated.
I never fly a 38
I am always willing to help and do just that where ever I am whether MW, LW, DA or BB
I don't like taking undefended bases, whats the sense unless your practicing.
I like fighting hordes that do and why I switch to the lowest #'ed Side every time I log on
I NEVER Bail from a fight unless missing a wing, tail or part of head
During 1 vs. 1 and no one else around i always ask if you want me to buzz him or not
and I am not a score ho, score just happens when you fly and drive everything fairly decent. Flying just one plane and in only one way is no fun. If you limit yourself your cheating yourself.
HOW I score well.
I fly mostly to bust up hordes in MW, which means lots of targets
Almost always take ord for dar, ammo, troops,whatever it takes to slow the horde down.
I killed lots of bombers, fighters, cruisers and damaged plenty of CV's
You do not have to hit strat targets to get a good bombing score. You just have to hit a few buildings, towns work just fine. I'm not a big bomber guy so those scores usually stay high after i fly a couple sorties through out the month. I fly a single B-24 or lanc with 6-2000 pound bombs and usually always hit my targets.
Gv a few towns and take some buildings out. Anytime you capture a field in a GV or goon your score goes through the roof. You only need to want to help capture a base and only need a few each month. Fighting undefended bases sucks but does happen in MW, do what ya want.
Anytime you hit a CV group with a PT boat rocket your GV score goes through the roof.
Most of all make sure you allocate your planes properly.
Don't fly around with bombs in fighter mode if your going to hit town buildings, Gv hangers, Cv's ect.
Look for large concentrations of RED and go kill them in fighter mode. Kill as many as you can in any mode for that matter. NEVER float to the ground and crash after losing a wing, Bail Out!
Run out of ammo, ditch and re-up with a new plane as fast as you can because they are otw to kill you and your base, your out #'d and are going to need some alt. You earn more points for landing kills but sometimes it just takes to darn long.... and they are OTW!
Thats about it. Anyone with some skill can rank high and you don't even have to try that hard. It happens all on it's own if you allocate your planes properly, no how to kill and do your best to avoid dieing.
best of luck :aok, go get e'm and :salute
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and I am not a score ho,
Uhhh yes, you are.. no offense. As an example doing the following:
Run out of ammo, ditch and re-up with a new plane as fast as you can
is done in an effort to manipulate K/T and it's Score HO'ing.
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Who was the P-38J driver? No offense to him but if he can't shoot down a Spitfire doing flat turns, the P-38 driver isn't all that good.
ack-ack
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Uhhh yes, you are.. no offense. As an example doing the following:
is done in an effort to manipulate K/T and it's Score HO'ing.
I think it all depends on what you're trying to do Steve. Sometimes in MW if you are trying to defend a base with few people, it is quicker to ditch and then get a new plane rather than flying back and trying to land with 2 - 3 cons on your 6. I do it a lot instead of landing kills like everyone tells me, but look at my score, it's not that great (which I do die a lot too).
And sorry again about last night AKAK, I had been looking for a fight all night long and saw the chance. :salute
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Uhhh yes, you are.. no offense. As an example doing the following:
is done in an effort to manipulate K/T and it's Score HO'ing.
I suppose that could be true but if you look at my score I'm usually in attack mode so whats the difference. I just want to get up and prepare for them before they get to me. I forget to switch out of attack all the time and thats why i like it there. guess that makes me a score ho but it's an unavoidable part of the game. Score is there to gauge someones progress and view.
I'm sure by the time i get home later there will plenty of guys giving me unwarranted flack. I'm not the best pilot and by far cocky. I just fly everything decent enough to really enjoy the game and have fun, thats it.
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Really... Everything I said makes me a score HO because i am conscious of the fact that it exists and use everything I said to keep it low.
Ya got me ... or did i get myself :rofl
use the information wisely or it will ruin your game. The less attn. you give it the better. Just allocate your planes properly, avoid deaths and rank will happen all on it's own.
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Shuffler and most of the other 38 sticks I have come across in the Mid war are excellent and I have never seen any 'attitudes' from them. As others have said score means nothing, but I have found most at the top are at least above average pilots. The best sticks tend to not worry about their scores.
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For the life of me I can't remember who the other 38 was. I was flying single. He showed up after the fight started. I might pick on some for flying spits by calling the plane a trainer, but I never mean to hurt anyone..... all in fun. They are after all very forgiving in most aspects.
OPP was upping and I was not letting him get much more than a stones throw from the base. He was very aggressive coming out of the field. He also was not going to give up..... I finally had to rtb or set it down from fuel starvation. I didn't think OPP would take to kindly to me trying to land at his base...... or the ack for that matter. :rofl
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Here was my K/D for last sortie, 1.5. That does not always mean that I'm horrible at the game, I occasionaly get into fighter, somthing like the Dhog, and fly it into 5v1 or 5v5 situations. Most of the time I die, either I get picked, after fighting three at the same time, or get get ganged by 5v1 or more. I like to have a small alt advantage on most cons, I usually fly at 5K and wait there at the feild. That always ends up having four or five guys uping, and I just cannot kill them all.
The fact is, I have never played for rank, and probably never play the game for rank. If you want a perfect example of a milk runner/ score *hore, look at Tripl5. He is absolutly the loudest, most annoying score *hore in the game, and hes not realy good at it. He is the biggest whiner in the game, all you need to do is kill him and watch on 200 for the whine. Those are the people that I never whant to be, big loud mouths such as himself, which he can never back up. I've never seen him accept a DA request yet.
Thats just how some people pay their 15, I know I never will like that, but theres nothing I can do to change peoples minds.
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Hey Phil Be carefull!
Your post could be interpreted by "inciting" hostile responses. This could very well break the rules "all over the place" and risk getting this thread locked down. You might be reported by crybaby's.
Remember Phil, please be nice, be politically correct and walk on eggshells for YOU DARE NOT BREAK THE RULES or the powers that be will charge you! :furious :t :mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :frown:
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Took a few days to think about posting this for discussion...
Scenario:
Mid-War arena
My plane: Spitfire 9
Enemy plane: 2 P38J flying in pairs
I got shot down by one of them 2-3 times in a row.
I never said anything and kept trying to defeat. These 2 guys were in sync and after few passes, one of them was lining me up every time.
Good for them and "good for me ! " Learning experience and the scraps were video recorded :aok
Well the one who shot me down(2-3X) was obviously low in ammo and RTB.
The other one stayed.
I got up and this time the game wasn't so much fun for him :lol
I'm an average pilot and play this game for Spitfires. I luv my Spit9 :D
As for the P38J, I know the kite theory wise. Pros and cons....
After a few passes, the pilot in the 38J(above me with E at all times) comes out and comments: " Flat turns are for newbies spitfire dweebs "
He was getting upset because he couldn't line me up ! :rofl
I hope this pilot reads this !
If my actions were sooooo DWEEB or NEWBY or IF SPITS are for beginners only, why couldn't you finish me off ?
Then with time, I was at almost same alt but suddenly he was out of fuel(what he said) and had to rtb....
Conclusion: two average pilots met and either one gave each other a shot !
Real conclusion: One think he's better than the other because he's a TOP 3 fighter pilot in ranks/scores AND he lacks of patience :rofl
Ahhh we crossed each other after the initial scuffle.
He got me and I got him... :aok
I use the .squelch and play the game...
All of my scraps are recorded for my learning tool.
When I view them, ya should see the comments he throws at me ! Hilarious !
What he does for RANKS and SCORES is sad.
I'm fighter sweeping for 20min and looking at the map, bombers are on the way and he's taking time to gain alt. Suddenly patience pays off ! I see the enemy formation and I'm above.
Suddenly POUF ! X3 Pilot bails out ! all is recorded !
Got one proxie out of 3.
Guess who ? The same TOP RANKED player...
Then the comments starts :o :o
I have been playing for 3yrs(back from an 8mths leave) now and enjoy the game.
I've met many of you and have given you good scraps(win or lose)
Ack-Ack, Hired Guns, Muppets, Bi-Polar, Leusche, Mace, Hamer6 and many LTARS
Vonholtz and the list goes on....
As for the sad player, of all the "perk points" you have accumulated, buy yourself a personality and respect others !
If I was as good as you with top ranks, I would be helping the ones looking up to you ! You were a beginner once too !
Grow up ! This game is for mature players only ;)
Ahhhhh thanks guys !
Feel better now :lol :D
Phil
OPP7755
Phil .... I was there and the same thing happened to me while flying everything. It's hard to fly against 1 38 with alt let alone 2 in the hands of skill pilots .Also they fly the side with the lowest numbers so they can get the 38L everytime, well at least one of them does. Both are very capable 38 drivers. The problem I had was one of them (who has been up till now)very respectable in regards to demeaning comments has now come out of the closet strong. Just because we all aren't as skilled in ACM as he , he feels the need to respond with foolish comments in regards to either what one is flying or how one flys his plane. WHO FRIKEN CARES!!!!!! This cartoon game is nothing more than entertainment, It doesn't establish my pecking order in society or my self worth. It doesn't pay my bills nor does it make my wife like me more. In fact it makes my wife dislike me more. The comments about his nice little business and how his Secretary does all his typing for him as an excuse for his constant spelling mistakes on words with more than 4 letters drove me over the line the other day. He lives in a state where cow dung is as prevalent as asphalt, wait a minute :huh..... are the streets paved where he lives?
That might be an overassumption on my behalf. Beside.... when is mechanical bull repair a nice little business anywhere? :rofl
For those that know me since I fly mainly MW I do have a big mouth :furious but I keep the criticizing about flying ability to a minimum. I'd rather make comments like the one above. My hope is that the person mentioned just stcks to killing (what he does best) and leave the smack talk for the pros. Because when it comes to that he's the guy in the trainer. Let's just all get along and kill each other.... OK !
P.S. He sucks in GV's
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Who was the P-38J driver? No offense to him but if he can't shoot down a Spitfire doing flat turns, the P-38 driver isn't all that good.
ack-ack
Crims
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Bigplay..... of course your talking about me in your previous post. If I am an amature at smack.... I must be a top amature. Your still raging and you were not the target of my statement. All I did was state that whenever I got killed by the other fella it seemed I was already engaged with one or two others. That happens.... no big deal. You chimed in with your attacks on everything from myself to the state I live in. Your more than welcome to do that.... at least here in the US you have freedom of speech. The other fella didn't take it as hard as you did. Remember he has the right to fly as he wants and I have the right to say/post how he is flying. Neither of you should get upset over a simple post. You can tell folks how I fly all you want..... I'm not embarrassed about it.
Oh and my spelling.... I'm usually flying and typing.... not to mention the margarita in hand. :aok I only mentioned my secretaries because it seemed funny at the time.
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Crims
LOL! My squaddie? I am very surprised he wasn't able to go after a flat turning Spitfire, he's just as good as me in the P-38J. I guess we all have our bad days.
ack-ack
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Phil .... I was there and the same thing happened to me while flying everything. It's hard to fly against 1 38 with alt let alone 2 in the hands of skill pilots .Also they fly the side with the lowest numbers so they can get the 38L everytime, well at least one of them does. Both are very capable 38 drivers. The problem I had was one of them (who has been up till now)very respectable in regards to demeaning comments has now come out of the closet strong. Just because we all aren't as skilled in ACM as he , he feels the need to respond with foolish comments in regards to either what one is flying or how one flys his plane. WHO FRIKEN CARES!!!!!! This cartoon game is nothing more than entertainment, It doesn't establish my pecking order in society or my self worth. It doesn't pay my bills nor does it make my wife like me more. In fact it makes my wife dislike me more. The comments about his nice little business and how his Secretary does all his typing for him as an excuse for his constant spelling mistakes on words with more than 4 letters drove me over the line the other day. He lives in a state where cow dung is as prevalent as asphalt, wait a minute :huh..... are the streets paved where he lives?
That might be an overassumption on my behalf. Beside.... when is mechanical bull repair a nice little business anywhere? :rofl
For those that know me since I fly mainly MW I do have a big mouth :furious but I keep the criticizing about flying ability to a minimum. I'd rather make comments like the one above. My hope is that the person mentioned just stcks to killing (what he does best) and leave the smack talk for the pros. Because when it comes to that he's the guy in the trainer. Let's just all get along and kill each other.... OK !
P.S. He sucks in GV's
I think this just deserves a simple "WOOWOO!" in response.
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Phil .... I was there and the same thing happened to me while flying everything. It's hard to fly against 1 38 with alt let alone 2 in the hands of skill pilots .Also they fly the side with the lowest numbers so they can get the 38L everytime, well at least one of them does.
It's very hard to fight an experienced P-38 driver at any altitude but your YMMV. As for the L, there is no L model in the MW arena, just the G and the J. For flying on the low side so we can fly the J all the time, I call BS on that one. Since it's mostly SAPP members that fly the P-38 the majority of the time in the MW, we will switch sides to help balance out the numbers, not to fly any certain P-38 model, nor do all of us fly the J, there are quite a few G fans amongst us. I know players in the MW accuse me of that all the time and all I can do is just laugh in their faces for being stupid. The last player that accused me of it was promptly shot down right after he made his comment by a P-38G flown by me.
ack-ack
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it is funny how people are. I will tell you this Phil, fly up against N72. That guy dose thing in a 109 and 190 be on of what the you think the limitation would be for them. He is not ranked so high.
But you do the right thing by not responding on 200. it just creates way to much emotions. The best players others where they where shot down or not.
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When I flew in there the other night I heard AKAK pondering switching to the G full time. Hardly something one would say if they switched solely to fly a certain perk ride to have an advantage.
I've got a different theroy. It's all that Corky guy's fault!
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The best players others where they where shot down or not.
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How does one issue a <S> to a specific individual across country channels without making it PM? Thanks!
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I suppose that could be true but if you look at my score I'm usually in attack mode so whats the difference. I just want to get up and prepare for them before they get to me. I forget to switch out of attack all the time and thats why i like it there. guess that makes me a score ho but it's an unavoidable part of the game. Score is there to gauge someones progress and view.
I'm sure by the time i get home later there will plenty of guys giving me unwarranted flack. I'm not the best pilot and by far cocky. I just fly everything decent enough to really enjoy the game and have fun, thats it.
Well it seems you are mistakenly thinking I'm passing judgement on you.. I'm not. People play for score, I have no problem with this. Score Ho's don't have any negative impact on what others are trying to do to have fun in the arena. I'll use Shawk as an example. He is the king of Ho's but you won't find him taking down the hangars of a field involved in a furball or sinking a cv involved in same. He's a good teammate and very helpful to those around him; he calls out the bad guys and will come to the aid of those in a tight spot. IMHO that's a good person to have on your team.
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Holy crap.....
Guys !
Thanks for the support !!!
SHUFFLER is not the culprit !
SHUFFLER was present and he did his job well !
BigPlay !
Tks for your support when this incident erupted :D
You added a comment(during game play) to this suspected player and it obviously demonstrated that I was a respectable pilot and could be a threat when
the adversary makes a bad move....
The squelch option works great. Unfortunately when you review your scraps/films, the squelch option doesn't work. The comments this guy was making and his actions he will take when we cross again during game time is sad, very sad .....
Hey I'm a big guy and you know what I do for a living. I can take lots from the public and have done for many years....
I'm just tired of this crap. That is why I took several mths off.
Now that I'm back, this waste player suddenly appears....
Thanks all !
Phil /OPP7755
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It's very hard to fight an experienced P-38 driver at any altitude but your YMMV. As for the L, there is no L model in the MW arena, just the G and the J. For flying on the low side so we can fly the J all the time, I call BS on that one. Since it's mostly SAPP members that fly the P-38 the majority of the time in the MW, we will switch sides to help balance out the numbers, not to fly any certain P-38 model, nor do all of us fly the J, there are quite a few G fans amongst us. I know players in the MW accuse me of that all the time and all I can do is just laugh in their faces for being stupid. The last player that accused me of it was promptly shot down right after he made his comment by a P-38G flown by me.
ack-ack
I stand corrected it is the J model. Your right again It is hard to win against a well flown 38, I have alot of trouble with them. However I do not agree with the fact that you guys choose sides to balance them out. Shuffler and yourself are rarely ever seen in anything other than a 38. I don't run into many other sapp guys but at least Twimboom flies alot of other types of aircraft besides a 38.
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Hey Phil
Good to see ya back :aok
I know ur just venting.... but let it go man!
Hardly worth the effort it took to type... :rofl
Hope to see you in the friendly skys soon. :salute
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Hardly something one would say if they switched solely to fly a certain perk ride to have an advantage.
The P-38J is perked in the MW?
ack-ack
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Bigplay..... of course your talking about me in your previous post. If I am an amature at smack.... I must be a top amature. Your still raging and you were not the target of my statement. All I did was state that whenever I got killed by the other fella it seemed I was already engaged with one or two others. That happens.... no big deal. You chimed in with your attacks on everything from myself to the state I live in. Your more than welcome to do that.... at least here in the US you have freedom of speech. The other fella didn't take it as hard as you did. Remember he has the right to fly as he wants and I have the right to say/post how he is flying. Neither of you should get upset over a simple post. You can tell folks how I fly all you want..... I'm not embarrassed about it.
Oh and my spelling.... I'm usually flying and typing.... not to mention the margarita in hand. :aok I only mentioned my secretaries because it seemed funny at the time.
I am not just referring to comments about me I could care less as stated in my last post. It's the disrespect to anyone who either doesn't fly the way you want them to or to people that kill you. I know that doesn't happen to often. But calling people pickers is calling the kettle black. The negative remarks to Von Holtz I found out of character as well. To me it's not coming through as a joke . By the way you did comment on how the A20 was an easy mode aircraft. It may take a fair amount of know how and experience to turn fight a 38 but the B&Z aspects of the 38 especially against the MW plane set is a definite advantage. You know that theres a spell check option in here. If your 6 grade teacher saw how you spell amateur she would roll over in her chaps.
P.S. Margarita's a women's drink :lol
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LOL! My squaddie? I am very surprised he wasn't able to go after a flat turning Spitfire, he's just as good as me in the P-38J. I guess we all have our bad days.
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does he know you insult him like this on the BBS? :D
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The 38J is not perked in MW.
I fly the 38 because I love the plane. I will up a hog 1A if coming off a cv but only becaus you can't get a 38 at the CV. I find the hog much easier to fly though. I much rather fly a 38 down to the CV and rearm/refuel there while fighting an extended battle. The 38 presents more of a challenge to fly well and so adds to the game for me.
Go fly a 38 for an hour or so then jump in anything else and you'll see what I mean. While not all the other planes are easy to fly... they will feel much more nimble after the 38. <S>
"oh and BP... lighten up... I'm still the same guy I always was" <S> :D
Added>>> You obviously do not know what Von did awhile back... I thought it was out of character but oh well. All I said about Von that night was that I knew it was him..... by the one move he does.
As far as the A20 being "easy mode"...... never said that. What I said is that it turns well and pretty easy to fly. Still takes skill to fly well (cobia style). I actually upped one for base defense once. FH were down and so I had limited choices. Base was being hit hard but I got up. I was amazed at how well it handled for such a large aircraft. I ended up landing 8 kills in it. Pretty nice plane in a pinch i thought.
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The P-38J is perked in the MW?
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what.... maybe 6 perks big deal. Like you are worried about perkies.
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However I do not agree with the fact that you guys choose sides to balance them out. Shuffler and yourself are rarely ever seen in anything other than a 38. I don't run into many other sapp guys but at least Twimboom flies alot of other types of aircraft besides a 38.
You can disagree all you want and it won't change the simple fact that I switch sides only to help even up the numbers and not so I can fly my particular plane of choice. If I can't fly the P-38J, I will fly something else. Look at my stats, I have sorties in Ju-87s, A-20s, B-25Hs and P-38G, the planes I will usually up if I can't fly my main ride or I just log off.
As for not flying something else, does it really matter that I don't? I have stated many times why I fly the P-38J almost exclusively and the main point is that I have fun flying it and to me that's all that matters.
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does he know you insult him like this on the BBS? :D
I usually do it over vox but I haven't seen Crims on lately.
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heh, if you really want to insult him say he is as good as me in a 38.
Oh. We all know the real reason people switch sides. Nothing to do with some misplaced sense of fairplay, everything to do with having more targets.
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what.... maybe 6 perks big deal. Like you are worried about perkies.
I'm not worried about perks, which is obvious since I just found out in this thread the P-38J is perked.
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You can disagree all you want and it won't change the simple fact that I switch sides only to help even up the numbers and not so I can fly my particular plane of choice. If I can't fly the P-38J, I will fly something else. Look at my stats, I have sorties in Ju-87s, A-20s, B-25Hs and P-38G, the planes I will usually up if I can't fly my main ride or I just log off.
As for not flying something else, does it really matter that I don't? I have stated many times why I fly the P-38J almost exclusively and the main point is that I have fun flying it and to me that's all that matters.
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when do you fly these planes......... midnight to 3am cause I don't see you in any of those ever. And no I don't care what you fly, your $15
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heh, if you really want to insult him say he is as good as me in a 38.
He's my squaddie and I like to joke around with him but why would I want to say something as vicious as that to him?
Oh. We all know the real reason people switch sides. Nothing to do with some misplaced sense of fairplay, everything to do with having more targets.
That's one of the benefits of flying on the low number side, a wider range of targets to choose from not the main reason, at least for me anyway.
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when do you fly these planes......... midnight to 3am cause I don't see you in any of those ever. And no I don't care what you fly, your $15
You're usually not one when I fly I guess. I am usually in the MW arena in the evenings (PST) for a couple of hours. If you don't care what I fly, then why did you bring it up in the first place?
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Rumor has it 999000 was not the p38 driver,,,,,,,,,...................
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Rumor has it 999000 was not the p38 driver,,,,,,,,,...................
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Rumor has it 999000 was not the p38 driver,,,,,,,,,...................
<S>999000
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Hey Phil Be carefull!
Your post could be interpreted by "inciting" hostile responses. This could very well break the rules "all over the place" and risk getting this thread locked down. You might be reported by crybaby's.
Remember Phil, please be nice, be politically correct and walk on eggshells for YOU DARE NOT BREAK THE RULES or the powers that be will charge you! :furious :t :mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :frown:
Sorry Sir, Had no intentions on breaking any rules...
My intention was to discourage players with smack talking ESPECIALLY if you rank way high !
Other players are looking at these guys and sometimes need them for whatever assistance.
If you have a goal to be a top rank player and with time you achieve this goal, ACT LIKE A #1 player !
You are now on top and many are looking up to ya....
IF HT are reading this and decide to take actions against me for breaching whatever rule, I guess I'll suffer the consequences.
The time it will take for them to investigate this thread, it would take the same time to look at the instigator and warning him accordingly. Attitudes like this during this great game is unfortunately unpleasant to the point that players like me leave for a period of time because its irritating...(looking at my films where the squelched comments do appear. Sad sad comments ;)
Anyway I'll get over it !
Time will make me a better Spitfire pilot and maybe someday I'll have some better skills to show this bum what "class" is all about !
Salute all...
Win or lose, I'll try to give you a fair good scrap !
Phil /OPP7755
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This thread is kinda like the one SEraider started and reminds me of a slinky, push it down the stairs, the further it travels, the more crap it collects.
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I don't know, maybe it's just me... I can't help thinking that having the highest rank in the Early War and Mid War arenas is kinda like being the fastest runner in the Special Olympics.
My regards,
Widewing
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I don't know, maybe it's just me... I can't help thinking that having the highest rank in the Early War and Mid War arenas is kinda like being the fastest runner in the Special Olympics.
My regards,
Widewing
You can throw in the LW as well.
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Crims
Huh? Crims wasn't "top ranked"
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Yeah rank is meaningless....
I was defending a base (2-3 of us) vs a rook morning horde of about 10+ cons.. they finally established their cap, so i'm talking smack in tower...
this one rooktard PM's me (yeah, PM's, lol) and tells me to up so he can kill me.. i inquire if he'll take that bravado to the DA... surprisingly he agrees.. i let him choose the ride.. spit1's... okaaaaaayy... say 7k pre-merge alt cap (base is 6k, deck is 4k)... of course he shows at 10k+... he dies anyway... re-ups 2 more times in a spit5 vs my spit1 and even with alt still dies horribly....
So.. i get accused, "you either have stall limiter off, or you're cheating." Of course I have the stall limiter off, duh...
I tell him i've only been playing AH 5+ years and then get called a "DA cheater" yeah, right, okay... you been playing 7 months huh? talk less learn to fight more, or stick to buffs and vulch hordes.
sad thing is... this dweeb is ranked 167 overall... just goes to show the ranking system is entirely meaningless.
Sounds suprisingly a lot like KILLERg :noid
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Queit down guys or the deputy is gonna shut yah down :P(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/GomerDog/Ruggsville%20Sheriff/Barney-Fife.jpg)
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How does one issue a <S> to a specific individual across country channels without making it PM? Thanks!
In the text box type .s playername
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Lets just be clear on one thing.
Anyone flying a P38 is a dweeb, jerk, point monger, player hater, riot inciter, hockey helmet wearing, putz!
And I ought to know!
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Widewing ,haha,was thinking that ,but hellwhat do i know.Its good to read some of this stuff ,entertaining.
AULd
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In the text box type .s playername
Thanks Marshal!
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Jaged, here's a list of all the dot commands you can use in-game: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/dotcommands/dotcommands.htm
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Jaged, here's a list of all the dot commands you can use in-game: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/dotcommands/dotcommands.htm
Thank you sir! :salute
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Jaged, here's a list of all the dot commands you can use in-game: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/dotcommands/dotcommands.htm
you can also do it in-flight with /.help
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Shuffler and most of the other 38 sticks I have come across in the Mid war are excellent and I have never seen any 'attitudes' from them. As others have said score means nothing, but I have found most at the top are at least above average pilots. The best sticks tend to not worry about their scores.
I hate it when I see a 38 I always assume it's one of those guys that's a good stick in it. It is fun to up a good slow turner and make them work for the kill. :D
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The 38J is not perked in MW.
I fly the 38 because I love the plane. I will up a hog 1A if coming off a cv but only becaus you can't get a 38 at the CV. I find the hog much easier to fly though. I much rather fly a 38 down to the CV and rearm/refuel there while fighting an extended battle. The 38 presents more of a challenge to fly well and so adds to the game for me.
Go fly a 38 for an hour or so then jump in anything else and you'll see what I mean. While not all the other planes are easy to fly... they will feel much more nimble after the 38. <S>
"oh and BP... lighten up... I'm still the same guy I always was" <S> :D
Added>>> You obviously do not know what Von did awhile back... I thought it was out of character but oh well. All I said about Von that night was that I knew it was him..... by the one move he does.
As far as the A20 being "easy mode"...... never said that. What I said is that it turns well and pretty easy to fly. Still takes skill to fly well (cobia style). I actually upped one for base defense once. FH were down and so I had limited choices. Base was being hit hard but I got up. I was amazed at how well it handled for such a large aircraft. I ended up landing 8 kills in it. Pretty nice plane in a pinch i thought.
Actually ist is much smaller in size than you would think as is a 38.
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You can disagree all you want and it won't change the simple fact that I switch sides only to help even up the numbers and not so I can fly my particular plane of choice. If I can't fly the P-38J, I will fly something else. Look at my stats, I have sorties in Ju-87s, A-20s, B-25Hs and P-38G, the planes I will usually up if I can't fly my main ride or I just log off.
As for not flying something else, does it really matter that I don't? I have stated many times why I fly the P-38J almost exclusively and the main point is that I have fun flying it and to me that's all that matters.
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5 sorties in B-25H
2 sorties in JU 87
approx 5 total hours logged between bomber and attack modes. I don't consider that really flying other planes. Shuffler isn't much better. I noticed he has 2 sorties in the FM2 along with 2 kills and 2 deaths in it, So my point being that non of you guys venture out of the 38 much, both of your stats in other planes aren't anything special. As stated Twinboom flies other planes WELL.
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Fighter rank is the only rank that can possibly mean anything. Overall rank is just a puff piece obtained by accomplishing an annoying and tedious shopping list of chores. Fighter rank, however, especially the sub-stats that comprise it, can relate some useful information about the pilot and his plane(s). I've always contended that fighter rank itself is not important, but being effective is. The statistical illusion of effectiveness, via the fighter rank sub-stats, in the absence of any true skills, can only be perpetuated to a very limited degree without doing something dishonest.
So, for the most part, the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank can be a fair indication of someone's relative effectiveness. That being said, the best sticks in the game can destroy their sub-stats if they really work at it, making themselves appear as craptacular as they want to on paper if they really work at it (I rarely ever see a good stick do this). But, it's fairly impossible for someone with no abilities whatsoever to look like a fighter superstar on paper without resorting to unethical means.
Certainly, I will agree with some that have posted that superior fighter rank can very well have very little to do with 1 vs .1 turny bird DA type skills. A lot, if not the majority, of well ranked fighter pilots in the Late War MA, fly faster, relatively poor maneuvering late war planes, which are poorly suited to 1 vs. 1 duels with most other aircraft prevalent in the MA. The skill set required to be a MA tiger in a typical fast LW bird in the populous MA is quite different than that required to be a dueling King in Co-Alt/Co-E 5k Spits 1 vs. 1.
But, that's a far cry from saying anything like anyone who ranks well in fighters sucks and anyone who looks like crap on paper is really some kind of diamond in the rough. For the most part the sub-stats tell the tale in my observational experience. Those that look like crap-on-a-stick on paper are also crap when I have them in my piper. Conversely, those that look decent on paper are a good fight when I come across them in the MA. There's really very few excpetions to this other than the known cheaters or the career vulchers, but everyone knows who they are...
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Well it seems you are mistakenly thinking I'm passing judgement on you.. I'm not. People play for score, I have no problem with this. Score Ho's don't have any negative impact on what others are trying to do to have fun in the arena. I'll use Shawk as an example. He is the king of Ho's but you won't find him taking down the hangars of a field involved in a furball or sinking a cv involved in same. He's a good teammate and very helpful to those around him; he calls out the bad guys and will come to the aid of those in a tight spot. IMHO that's a good person to have on your team.
I sure Hope Steve meant Score HO not Head On HO :aok
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5 sorties in B-25H
2 sorties in JU 87
approx 5 total hours logged between bomber and attack modes. I don't consider that really flying other planes. Shuffler isn't much better. I noticed he has 2 sorties in the FM2 along with 2 kills and 2 deaths in it, So my point being that non of you guys venture out of the 38 much, both of your stats in other planes aren't anything special. As stated Twinboom flies other planes WELL.
LOL! Do yourself a favor and look at all of my tours since the MW arena has been around. Honestly, why do you care that I primarily fly one fighter? If you want, you and I can go to the DA and I can whip your arse in all the fighters in the planeset. Will that make you happy? LOL!
Tools like you crack me up.
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BP as said before.... I don't fly much of anything else..... I find most planes just boring. So if I up off a Cv to protect it and then auger or get killed it has no bearing on anything other than protecting the Cv. Many times I auger or bail in a 38 to go to a base under attack. I have no qualms worrying about score or anything but fun. I bet my K/D is a lower number because of this fact... but then who cares. :lol
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So, for the most part, the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank can be a fair indication of someone's relative effectiveness.
It maybe but only if the player doesn't manipulate the scoring system. Like my previous example, there are quite a few that will fly 3-5 low risk sorties (buff hunts, vulches, etc.) and score them as fighter. Then they will score each flight afterwards as attack so they won't mess up their fighter score.
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BP as said before.... I don't fly much of anything else..... I find most planes just boring. So if I up off a Cv to protect it and then auger or get killed it has no bearing on anything other than protecting the Cv. Many times I auger or bail in a 38 to go to a base under attack. I have no qualms worrying about score or anything but fun. I bet my K/D is a lower number because of this fact... but then who cares. :lol
He's trying for some reason to prove that you and I only switch sides so we can still fly the P-38J and pad our score.
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He's trying for some reason to prove that you and I only switch sides so we can still fly the P-38J and pad our score.
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Ack-Ack I don't care what you do for score and my only accusation is that you and Shuffler rarely venture out of your P-38. Shuffler made a comment to upping an A20 in base defense and got 6 kills. Shuffler shows no kills in an A20 and shows he really flew nothing else but a 38. Maybe he was referring to something that happened 6 months ago. Non of us in MW know what kind of pilot you or Shuffler are outside of the 38. I have flown against Twinn in other aircraft on many occasions. That's my only comment. You on the other hand tried to indicate that you do indeed fly other planes in which I proved otherwise. That's it. If you want to exclusively fly the 38 that's all good by me.
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It maybe but only if the player doesn't manipulate the scoring system. Like my previous example, there are quite a few that will fly 3-5 low risk sorties (buff hunts, vulches, etc.) and score them as fighter. Then they will score each flight afterwards as attack so they won't mess up their fighter score.
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I totally agree. When I look at someone's sheet I look at the sub-stats for fighter rank AND attack vs. air for this very reason. It's pretty obvious if someone's doing this, and if they are you can average the sorties together to get a real notion of what their effectiveness is really like. I saw this a fair bit last tour, I'll leave out the name, but here's an example:
Fighter Rank
K/D: 7.35
K/S: 2.54
K/T: 9.32
Hit%: 8.97%
Attack vs. Air
K/D: 0.978
K/S: 0.792
K/T: 3.98
Hit%: 29.5%
So, we can see that this person is obviously manipulating their stats. So, to get a true idea of their effectiveness we must amalgamate the fighter and attack vs. air stats in proportion to the ratio of sorties they represent.
Here's an actual example of someone who's honest about it and does not manipulate by strafing, intentionally buff hunting or vulching at all...ever...
Fighter
K/D: 17
KS: 3.86
K/T: 8.14
Hit%: 12.31
Attack vs. Air
K/D: 8.22
K/S: 3.12
K/H: 7.99
Hit%: 10.88
The only glaring difference between those two is K/D which is a result of the fact that anytime I take a Tempest up I always score it as a fighter to keep track of how my effectiveness compares to the regular Typhoon. Obviously, it's generally easier to survive a furball in a Tempest...
So, it can be manipulated, but it's as obvious as a dog's balls if it is simply by taking a look at the attack stats vs. air compared to the fighter stats for the individual.
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LOL! Do yourself a favor and look at all of my tours since the MW arena has been around. Honestly, why do you care that I primarily fly one fighter? If you want, you and I can go to the DA and I can whip your arse in all the fighters in the planeset. Will that make you happy? LOL!
Tools like you crack me up.
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Maybe maybe not doesn't matter to me if you can whip my donut in all fighters, I doubt in all of them but I Will go It will be my opportunity to find out for myself just like I did about your alleged time in other planes, however while were there lets DA in tanks as well just to make sure your not a GV god so we can put the speculation to bed . I don't want to read later that you up GV's all the time and are awesome in them but find them lame.
If anyone reading this please let me know if you have gone up against Ack-Ack in anything other than a P-38. My comment was that you never do ,it was that I never see you in them. But I could be wrong.
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Maybe maybe not doesn't matter to me if you can whip my donut in all fighters, I doubt in all of them but I Will go It will be my opportunity to find out for myself just like I did about your alleged time in other planes, however while were there lets DA in tanks as well just to make sure your not a GV god so we can put the speculation to bed . I don't want to read later that you up GV's all the time and are awesome in them but find them lame.
You can duel tanks but I'll pass. I think I've been in a GV less than half a dozen times in the last year or so, if that much. The GV portion of the game hasn't interested me in the last 7 years or so.
If anyone reading this please let me know if you have gone up against Ack-Ack in anything other than a P-38. My comment was that you never do ,it was that I never see you in them. But I could be wrong.
Next time you're in the MW, ask Rodent about our duels last week or if you see Eaglfart, ask him about our duels the other night in the EW arena where he got his arse kicked by me in Ju87s and a Boston III. But, I'd rather show you first hand.
Again, though you claim each time you don't care, why does it bother you so much that I fly the P-38J? I've been playing online flight sims for a little over 15 years now, 14 of those years in the P-38. It's a plane that has always fascintated me since I was a child and is the only plane that provides me with countless hours of enjoyment. Flying other planes doesn't provide the enjoyment I get from flying the P-38. I also feel that the P-38 is a very challenging plane to fly even after all these years, more so than most planes currently in our plane set. Maybe it bothers you so much because you can't fly the P-38 with any sort of competence and/or you're tired of P-38 flyers like me being able to easily out turn you when you fly a Spitfire or is it that the P-38 has more kills on you than you have against it?
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Actually Rodent claimed you were even on those duels, as far as Eaglhrt goes he doesn't claim to be a great fighter pilot . He actually has become a well rounded player not one dementional . Ju 87's like the D3a are fun planes to dogfight in Lazydog, myself and another squadie defended a vbase in ew with Ju87's against the oncomers and we held them off just fine. Fly the 38 all you want it's your money. Again my statement was that I never see you or Shuffler in anything but 38's . In fact AH should have anarena just for you 38 drivers so you can drive each other crazy for a change.
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Took a few days to think about posting this for discussion...
Scenario:
Mid-War arena
My plane: Spitfire 9
Enemy plane: 2 P38J flying in pairs
I got shot down by one of them 2-3 times in a row.
I never said anything and kept trying to defeat. These 2 guys were in sync and after few passes, one of them was lining me up every time.
Good for them and "good for me ! " Learning experience and the scraps were video recorded :aok
Well the one who shot me down(2-3X) was obviously low in ammo and RTB.
The other one stayed.
I got up and this time the game wasn't so much fun for him :lol
I'm an average pilot and play this game for Spitfires. I luv my Spit9 :D
As for the P38J, I know the kite theory wise. Pros and cons....
After a few passes, the pilot in the 38J(above me with E at all times) comes out and comments: " Flat turns are for newbies spitfire dweebs "
He was getting upset because he couldn't line me up ! :rofl
I hope this pilot reads this !
If my actions were sooooo DWEEB or NEWBY or IF SPITS are for beginners only, why couldn't you finish me off ?
Then with time, I was at almost same alt but suddenly he was out of fuel(what he said) and had to rtb....
Conclusion: two average pilots met and either one gave each other a shot !
Real conclusion: One think he's better than the other because he's a TOP 3 fighter pilot in ranks/scores AND he lacks of patience :rofl
Ahhh we crossed each other after the initial scuffle.
He got me and I got him... :aok
I use the .squelch and play the game...
All of my scraps are recorded for my learning tool.
When I view them, ya should see the comments he throws at me ! Hilarious !
What he does for RANKS and SCORES is sad.
I'm fighter sweeping for 20min and looking at the map, bombers are on the way and he's taking time to gain alt. Suddenly patience pays off ! I see the enemy formation and I'm above.
Suddenly POUF ! X3 Pilot bails out ! all is recorded !
Got one proxie out of 3.
Guess who ? The same TOP RANKED player...
Then the comments starts :o :o
I have been playing for 3yrs(back from an 8mths leave) now and enjoy the game.
I've met many of you and have given you good scraps(win or lose)
Ack-Ack, Hired Guns, Muppets, Bi-Polar, Leusche, Mace, Hamer6 and many LTARS
Vonholtz and the list goes on....
As for the sad player, of all the "perk points" you have accumulated, buy yourself a personality and respect others !
If I was as good as you with top ranks, I would be helping the ones looking up to you ! You were a beginner once too !
Grow up ! This game is for mature players only ;)
Ahhhhh thanks guys !
Feel better now :lol :D
Phil
OPP7755
I DON'T LOOK UP TO THE TOP RANK GUYS.
they're not necessarily the good sticks, but rather they're the ones that know how to "game the game"
if i were to look up to anyone in this game, it'd be the 38 drivers THAT ACTUALLY FIGHT IN THEM....and you guys all know who i mean, my squaddies, as most of them are much better pilots than i am....even if one of them keeps shooting me down........and the trainer dudes that donate their time to help the rest of us learn.
actually, i DO look up to them,,.....
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Lordy Lordy lol
BP check back on the A20..... doesn't seem all that long ago. I know your just losing sleep over this. Everyone knows I fly the 38 almost exclusively. They also know that the 80th generally flies on the low number team. That way it is easier to find fights. If for some reason the low number team does not have any fights going on then we may move to the next team, if they have a fight going. I even up a 38 when the base is being vulched. You can ask around.... many have those kills on me too.
You talk about TB alot. He flies alot of planes, I've seen him. He was a pure 38 driver for a long time and in a pinch I'm sure you can find he is in one mostly now. I was the one that got TB interested in the 38. When he started I was flying 38s.
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WTG Phil, Glad your seeing what the rest of us have said all along....... :salute
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Lordy Lordy lol
BP check back on the A20..... doesn't seem all that long ago. I know your just losing sleep over this. Everyone knows I fly the 38 almost exclusively. They also know that the 80th generally flies on the low number team. That way it is easier to find fights. If for some reason the low number team does not have any fights going on then we may move to the next team, if they have a fight going. I even up a 38 when the base is being vulched. You can ask around.... many have those kills on me too.
You talk about TB alot. He flies alot of planes, I've seen him. He was a pure 38 driver for a long time and in a pinch I'm sure he'd be in one mostly now. I was the one that got TB interested in the 38. When he started I was flying 38s.
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Not losing sleep just keeping records straight. I don't blame you for flying the 38 cause your one of the best in it. Would love to see you in more variety so I at least get a chance. Just bustin your chops hard that's all :D
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lol BP you do fine already in killing me as it is. You may be one of the reasons I drink margaritas :P
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For all the investigators of this encounter, it's not Crims :cool:
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For all the investigators of this encounter, it's not Crims :cool:
I knew that as soon as his name was mentioned. Crims doesn't do that. Personally, you'll never see me start a thread like this. Nothing good will come of it.
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I knew that as soon as his name was mentioned. Crims doesn't do that. Personally, you'll never see me start a thread like this. Nothing good will come of it.
one good thing can come from threads like this.
look at the 7 pages of free entertainment :D
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I've waited long enough.... Blame it on Karaya :P
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I don't know if it would be called "manipulating" my scores but I usually try to fly one aircraft as attack and the rest of my fighters as fighter mode. This allows me to track my K/D, accuracy, and K/S with whatever plane I've chosen to keep track of for the tour.
I haven't been very good about this lately, maybe it's time to pay attention some and put some effort into improving.
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I don't know if it would be called "manipulating" my scores but I usually try to fly one aircraft as attack and the rest of my fighters as fighter mode. This allows me to track my K/D, accuracy, and K/S with whatever plane I've chosen to keep track of for the tour.
I haven't been very good about this lately, maybe it's time to pay attention some and put some effort into improving.
my descision on whether or not to fly attack or fighter mode?
if i'm attacking/defending a base, i ALWAYS fly attack mode.
anything else, i fly fighter mode....unless i forget to switch them back and forth that is.
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lol BP you do fine already in killing me as it is. You may be one of the reasons I drink margaritas :P
wish I did shoot you down more often, but alas I have to succumb to being just another average kill for you and many others. I like the A20 but need Cobia's school of A20 awareness bad.
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For all the investigators of this encounter, it's not Crims :cool:
Crims seems like a stand up guy but he was flying with Shuffler that day cause I died in everything that came close to Batman and Robin. Could have been someone else flying a 38 but didn't see anyone else.
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Well just for my part..... that does not sound like Crims. There were 2 other 38s in the area. Crims was not flying "with" me but he was in the area.
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could have been strict9 errr bigflammer but you two were the only 38's I ran into.
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Well, it doesn't take much effort to call up crims scores and see he doesn't play for rank.
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Well, it doesn't take much effort to call up crims scores and see he doesn't play for rank.
Must be Bigflammer . He's always been about the score.
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Bi-Gamer?
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Must be Bigflammer . He's always been about the score.
If all the P-38 did was BnZ and never made one attempt to turn then you would be correct.
ack-ack
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If all the P-38 did was BnZ and never made one attempt to turn then you would be correct.
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Yup that's the perfect definition of his style. He will follow you to the deck if you have someone else in your sights. Otherwise it's BnZ and stay safe.
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Who was the P-38J driver? No offense to him but if he can't shoot down a Spitfire doing flat turns, the P-38 driver isn't all that good.
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LOL Maybe it was me. But I dought it was a 1 on 1 fight the intire time. As bad as I am I would not flat turn fight a spit. as my first choice.
Well BigPlay It seams to me your problem is with pilots that only fly One plane. As far as the switching sides goes, if the few in MW didn't switch sides there would be no fights just undefended base captures. Since the 38j I think the ENY is 15 and the G is 20, when the ENY gets that high its time to switch sides .............. High ENY = no fights = No fun. Anyone who thinks other wise is crazy.
Crims
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Crims seems like a stand up guy but he was flying with Shuffler that day cause I died in everything that came close to Batman and Robin. Could have been someone else flying a 38 but didn't see anyone else.
Am I batman or Robin :O :noid :furious
Crims
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:huh You didn't run into me..... just my bullets :lol
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Am I batman or Robin :O :noid :furious
Crims
depends on what color tights you feel like wearing that day although Shuffler drinks Margarita's so he must be Robin :rofl Just joking Shuff.
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Booooo :P
They both were ran over by a Mac Truck... now known as Flatman and Ribbon.
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depends on what color tights you feel like wearing that day although Shuffler drinks Margarita's so he must be Robin :rofl Just joking Shuff.
Hot Pink.....as long as Silat's not wearing the same tights. I hate when we dress the same :eek: :P :O
Crims
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Rank means nothing. Some people unfortunately think otherwise :(
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Rank means nothing. Some people unfortunately think otherwise :(
Yep, rank itself is surely no measure of skill.
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Yep Shawk is just TERRIBLE in the DA, granted your right on the theory - higher ranked tends to be less skilled however - look at the fighter rank to determine the better pilot. someone with 40 K/D ratio is likely to hit and run, someone with 2.5 k/d more likely to dogfight, or 0.50 k/d could be a base defender.
For the long story of AH it were different "high ranked" pilots, for example Mitsu or Fester were #1 for some tours (though normally skillful dogfighter tires of scoreplaying very fast).
Normally high rank means that this pilot is motivated to go top, knows score system very good, has lot of playing time, good all around experience in AH, and big ego.
(I also was #1 for many tours many years ago, so I know about that ego thing -))
I have nothing against score playing btw. Any form of playing is fine, while people can take it easy when they fail in anything.
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Some have a different motive for rank, I for example only care for rank in top 100's simply to keep idiotic people from taking a CV away from me and turning at last minute i try to land a perk plane on it. What I really can not stand is people that have this brilliant idea that turning CV every 15 seconds will keep it alive 1 minute longer, while others are trying to take off / land.
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Rank means nothing. Some people unfortunately think otherwise :(
Over all - Rank is just something for people to work on as a measure of skill. While you are correct, people need to look at their
stats instead of trying to determine if rank makes them better. example - last tour you have 0.85 k/d ratio in a furball - rank 200 and this tour 1.45 k/d in furballs and rank of 300 - you clearly are doing better this tour with a better k/d then last tour. Rank proves nothing for the most part, I would rather people look at their stats each tour and determine if they are better then the previous tour.
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For the long story of AH it were different "high ranked" pilots, for example Mitsu or Fester were #1 for some tours (though normally skillful dogfighter tires of scoreplaying very fast).
Normally high rank means that this pilot is motivated to go top, knows score system very good, has lot of playing time, good all around experience in AH, and big ego.
(I also was #1 for many tours many years ago, so I know about that ego thing -))
I have nothing against score playing btw. Any form of playing is fine, while people can take it easy when they fail in anything.
So, since you are one of the best vulch/pickers I have ever met in this game, please enlighten us. What does knowing you are #1 without having to beat anyone in a fight do for your ego? You are #1 in what?
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The thing that surprises me is how easy it is to get a good rank. I'd rate myself around the top 500 for skill in this game, but it wasn't too difficult to rank in the top 10 when I tried it for the first time last tour. No more than 5% of my fighter kills were vulches, but maybe up to 20% of my gv kills were "camping," on one occasion killing 26 spitfires trying to take off from a capped base. :lol
How I got 19 kills in one sortie in the M3 is top secret... :noid
Anyway, I promise you won't see me in the top 10 again. :o
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Over all - Rank is just something for people to work on as a measure of skill. While you are correct, people need to look at their
stats instead of trying to determine if rank makes them better. example - last tour you have 0.85 k/d ratio in a furball - rank 200 and this tour 1.45 k/d in furballs and rank of 300 - you clearly are doing better this tour with a better k/d then last tour. Rank proves nothing for the most part, I would rather people look at their stats each tour and determine if they are better then the previous tour.
You're still playing for score like this even if its not to be ranked number one. Every single mossy sortie in the MA i start by dumping 2000 rounds of unwanted .303s. when i want to go duel a friend i auger with or without kills. When i am bored waiting for a mission to roll i killshooter myself on cbizkit in a good old fashioned game of polish dogfighting. There is no way i can use any of my stats to grade my skill, and i suggest that doing so means you are still playing with a mind to get a good score or stat, whatever you want to call it. When you finally stop checking the score page altogether then you can rightly claim you dont give a hoot about rank.
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I don't bomb much and I GV even less.... so I just likes ta plaz da game... :cool:
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You're still playing for score like this even if its not to be ranked number one. Every single mossy sortie in the MA i start by dumping 2000 rounds of unwanted .303s. when i want to go duel a friend i auger with or without kills. When i am bored waiting for a mission to roll i killshooter myself on cbizkit in a good old fashioned game of polish dogfighting. There is no way i can use any of my stats to grade my skill, and i suggest that doing so means you are still playing with a mind to get a good score or stat, whatever you want to call it. When you finally stop checking the score page altogether then you can rightly claim you dont give a hoot about rank.
You practically did not read anything I wrote, so why bother replying? I wrote stated - Those that want to see how they are improving - can look at stats to determine how they are doing rather then rank. Not those like you who blindly don't care or play for fun - won't care for rank or stats - You are clearly not trying to improve your flying - rather just going up having a few turns in a furball and die and having fun doing it. Totally different criteria don't you think? I don't care for stats myself - those who care so much for K/D and Hit percentage are ones that dedicate themselves to the "rank" i.e pacerr etc.
However some with ranks in the 50's arn't really working at rank at all, all it takes a few fighter runs, few buff runs, few gV runs and your rank is under 100 so whats the point of "rank" when it clearly needs no effort except for those wanting to be top 10.
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You are clearly not trying to improve your flying
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Redtop is winging with me and i'm in trouble, he sprays with his p47 from 800 yrds and pops the nik off my tail using half is ammo. bam - lousey hit% for the tour. But saving my butt with a long range shot? That, my young friend, is what he and I grade his skill level on. It is the events and combats we have that improve us the most not being extra carefull next tour to convince yourself you have improved.
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Just last tour I was in my Ki-84 doing my best to chase down a Temp. The guy extends (naturally), then comes straight back in for the HO from hell. I think his name was Chickenwng or some silly s**t like that, doesn't matter really.
So I bi*ched a little on 200 and he starts PMing me talking about how much better his score is than mine and I'm just whining. Those kinds of cartoon pilots usually jump all over the "W" word right off the bat. It makes them feel better about using their kind of "craptics" in what they perceive is a good fight.
Anyway, I digress. So I challenged him to the DA and he refused on the grounds that my K/D wasn't high enough.
I've heard some lame s**t before but that takes the cake.
Open challenge: If you see me and want to DA and I'm not wrapped up in a squad mission, please don't hesitate. In fact, the better you're score the better for me. I want to learn and I know to be the best you gotta beat the best.
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Over all - Rank is just something for people to work on as a measure of skill. While you are correct, people need to look at their
stats instead of trying to determine if rank makes them better. example - last tour you have 0.85 k/d ratio in a furball - rank 200 and this tour 1.45 k/d in furballs and rank of 300 - you clearly are doing better this tour with a better k/d then last tour. Rank proves nothing for the most part, I would rather people look at their stats each tour and determine if they are better then the previous tour.
Personally I don't care if I've improved in any aspect of the game. I don't care if my k/d goes down. I think I've looked at the "scorers page" maaaaybe 3 times in the last year. I measure my success in this game on whether or not I'm having fun. That is all. The first year or so that I played I found myself looking at it quit often and when I would logg on I would go "man, i gotta get more kills in fighter or attack mode" or whatever the case was. Chanzz and some of my HA buddies told me to pay no attention to the scorers page for a couple of months and see what happens. Well.... I found myself having ALOT more fun. I've never bothered to pay any attention to it since. I would also have to say the vast majority of "good fights" that I have found myself in are with guys that feel the same way about it as I do. To each his own though as long as your having fun...Who cares :aok
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You are clearly not trying to improve your flying - rather just going up having a few turns in a furball and die and having fun doing it.
Just because one doesn't pay attention to their score/rank hardly means they are not looking to improve. I don't give a rat's arse about my score but I am constantly trying to improve myself and I don't need to look at my stats to achieve that goal.
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You are clearly not trying to improve your flying - rather just going up having a few turns in a furball and die and having fun doing it.
:rofl Wana see how match you have improved?
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I just laugh when i am in a F6F or 190a8 and a spit 16 or La kills me. Then seeing that same person on 200 telling me i have no skills. :rolleyes:
I guess they have to feel good about them self when they kill a easy target with a plan that needs no skills at all.
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I just laugh when i am in a F6F or 190a8 and a spit 16 or La kills me. Then seeing that same person on 200 telling me i have no skills. :rolleyes:
I guess they have to feel good about them self when they kill a easy target with a plan that needs no skills at all.
F6 is an easy target for a run90? :rofl
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Oak... there in lies another issue. Someone being "Ranked" and flying mostly or all perk planes. All I can do is laugh out loud.
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Oak... there in lies another issue. Someone being "Ranked" and flying mostly or all perk planes. All I can do is laugh out loud.
I suggested that kill points be modified by ENY, and there was mostly positive response. It would make it a little more difficult to get a high rank flying low ENY aircraft.
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Seems like a good idea but the system is so broke it would make little difference. IMHO
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So, since you are one of the best vulch/pickers I have ever met in this game, please enlighten us. What does knowing you are #1 without having to beat anyone in a fight do for your ego? You are #1 in what?
Read again what I wrote, if you will still have questions let me know, pls.
I am also ready to DA with you just for a little fun, even as rusty as I am at the moment. Again, just let me know when. -)
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I just laugh when i am in a F6F or 190a8 and a spit 16 or La kills me. Then seeing that same person on 200 telling me i have no skills. :rolleyes:
I guess they have to feel good about them self when they kill a easy target with a plan that needs no skills at all.
To be successful in any fighter requires skill. Don't delude yourself into thinking that just because a plane is easy to fly that it doesn't require any skill to fly one successfully.
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Does take some skill...... just not much in some cases. The easier the plane the less skill required to be successful.
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Read again what I wrote, if you will still have questions let me know, pls.
I am also ready to DA with you just for a little fun, even as rusty as I am at the moment. Again, just let me know when. -)
:rofl :rofl :rofl Tonight after 9PM CST? You will let me take off first yeah? :lol
Oh, one more question. How do you think the outcome will answer my question?
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F6 is an easy target for a run90? :rofl
Calling the 190A8 a run 90 compared to a F6F is surprising
I'm seriously rusty but last time I checked the F6F climbed better ,tuned better and had 6 deadly 12,7mm when A8 had just a bit more speed with WEP.
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Oak... there in lies another issue. Someone being "Ranked" and flying mostly or all perk planes. All I can do is laugh out loud.
And alot of those guys seem to perpetuate the La-7 and Spixteen are "dweeb" planes myth. :huh
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And alot of those guys seem to perpetuate the La-7 and Spixteen are "dweeb" planes myth. :huh
I've already contacted Myth Busters.
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Calling the 190A8 a run 90 compared to a F6F is surprising
I'm seriously rusty but last time I checked the F6F climbed better ,tuned better and had 6 deadly 12,7mm when A8 had just a bit more speed with WEP.
Ahhhh, you missed the question mark at the end :lol That is what I am saying, the F6 is not an easy target for the Run90.
To be clear, run don;t meant something is fast. I had spitVs trying to get away from an LA7 :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl Tonight after 9PM CST? You will let me take off first yeah? :lol
Oh, one more question. How do you think the outcome will answer my question?
Well, actually all information you need to get the answer for your question is in my first post. Have you read it again, as I asked? My English is not that good, so if something is not clear there, let me know -)
DA is, as I wrote, for fun. Considering I am not flying more than couple hours per month I probably will lose, but some practice will be nice anyway.
9 CST is late for me. It is early morning here. Will look for you at weekends -)
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Ahhhh, you missed the question mark at the end :lol That is what I am saying, the F6 is not an easy target for the Run90.
To be clear, run don;t meant something is fast. I had spitVs trying to get away from an LA7 :rofl
Oops as we say in short and in french : opening open doors :)
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I just laugh when i am in a F6F or 190a8 and a spit 16 or La kills me. Then seeing that same person on 200 telling me i have no skills. :rolleyes:
I guess they have to feel good about them self when they kill a easy target with a plan that needs no skills at all.
I don't see what your laughing at.
Ya know how far that La-7 had to chase your"run90" before he could kill it?
Not funny.