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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on October 01, 2008, 08:20:55 PM
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I admit I am confused on this one.
Why is there no requirement that a person show proof of citizenship before being registered to vote? According to that conservative rag the NY Times only Arizona requires proof of citizenship.
Why? Why do we allow non-citizens an easy avenue to determine our national leadership?
In many states a utility bill, such as a cell phone bill, is sufficient proof of something deemed fit to allow access to a voting booth.
As I mentioned in another thread I'm pretty sure most of the 9/11 hijackers could have registered to vote on the rock solid proof of something provided by their cell phone bills.
Has this country gone absolutely nuts? What the hell is going on here?
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Has this country gone absolutely nuts? What the hell is going on here?
Change :uhoh
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OMFG
Voter Registration Card!!!
You don't have it, you can't vote.
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Why be a hater Toad? Obama must lead the world to peace, love, happiness, change, and make the oppresive corporations pay the bill. Why prevent those citizens of the world from getting their due even if they aren't technically qualified to vote?
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OMFG
Voter Registration Card!!!
You don't have it, you can't vote.
mg...huh...re-read what he asked...
You dont need proof of citizenship to get a card....Obama would say it like ..."just ask and ye shall recieve my imigrants"
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I admit I am confused on this one.
Why is there no requirement that a person show proof of citizenship before being registered to vote? According to that conservative rag the NY Times only Arizona requires proof of citizenship.
Why? Why do we allow non-citizens an easy avenue to determine our national leadership?
In many states a utility bill, such as a cell phone bill, is sufficient proof of something deemed fit to allow access to a voting booth.
As I mentioned in another thread I'm pretty sure most of the 9/11 hijackers could have registered to vote on the rock solid proof of something provided by their cell phone bills.
Has this country gone absolutely nuts? What the hell is going on here?
both my cats are registered republicans and vote absentee. my kids parakeet was a rebel.. it wuz a democrat. once day, after a heated debate, alas, the bird was eaten by the cats. not to worry tho.. it still votes from the grave, like most dead democrats.
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OMFG
Voter Registration Card!!!
You don't have it, you can't vote.
WRONG! In South Carolina, you may vote with a driver's license provided you have registered. When I registered in 1982, I had to bring in a birth certificate. In Ohio now, they do not even have to show a photo ID! And yes, a utility bill is sufficient to them. We need to band together and force the illegals out of the country, the new directives in Ohio are completely designed to allow illegals to vote. There are roughly 8 states that allow this type of garbage.
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Senior advocacy groups are dead set against it (no pun intended). The poorest of the poor often lack valid I.D., and the politicians they tend to vote for protect them from an I.D. requirement. There's also some shameful episodes from this country's past where some groups were intentionally disenfranchised, and so not requiring I.D. makes it very hard to accomplish such a dastardly deed.
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who cares? They can unbunch their panties later. I want to KNOW who is voting.
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Yes Toad, rejoice in your soon to be new title: CITIZEN OF TEH WORLD!!!!
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How is it that if you park for 2h:00:07 in 2 hours max parking zone they WILL catch you, they WILL find where you live and you WILL pay the ticket. Obviously there is a budget for this. When you vote (who actually reads the ballot?) they'll tell you that there is no money for schools, the police, the fire department, but here ... poof there is tons of money for parking violations enforcements.
and in addition we have millions of invisible illegals/criminals/dead/non-existing etc folks who get home loans, buy homes, rape, still ... and VOTE...
... and that there is absolutely nothing we can do to detect/catch/prevent/even-REPORT this. As a matter of fact, federal laws are CREATED SPECIFICALLY to prevent lower jurisdictions (state/city/local/private companies) from detecting, prosecuting or even REPORTING on those individuals. ESPECIALLY the private companies. If they do report an illegal, THEY'll go to a slammer. tThe perp goes free (happy and voting again in 4 years).
You know why? Because the fed government is great in prosecuting those who choose to obey the law (the sheep). Those who refuse to obey the law, the government hides, protects, cuddles, loves and invites to vote. They don't want to deal with wolves. Sheering the sheep is so much easier that taming a wolf.
Because the volves WILL vote for those boogers in DC.
They call it helping the "poor". Or better yet they call it "standing for/defending the middle class". And the sheep eat it up.
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Even if you assume/suspect that the vote of "same day" registered voter is a fraud... what can you do?
By definition the votes are confidential. How do you remove a fraudulent vote? You just can't (You are not suppose to know what he was voting for). And if you tell me you can, the vote is a scam to begin with, since it not confidential.
Of course, you just shut up about it and give the dude a cigarette, a condom, a candy or something so he comes back again next vote. For a cig he'll vote any way you tell him. You just bought yourself a voting machine.
Only those who pay taxes should be able to vote. More taxes you pay the more your vote should count. Founding Fathers knew that well and they said it many, many times. They've all dreaded the "democracy-share with me what's your's-principle"
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Democrats have argued for a LONG time that due to slavery and the unfortunate place a person is born that their constituents (somehow they have a monopoly on certain people) may be too ignorant stupid physically-handicapped or mentally-handicapped to read or write or too poverty stricken to own an automobile and therefore cant have identification because they cant read or write (funny how they allow it in schools though) or be licensed to drive and therefore might not be able to prove that they are american citizens and might then be 'disenfranchised' (Dems love big words that their own constituents never use and dont know the definition of but can say 'Right!' after they use it and feel good about their 'brilliant leaders').
You should also ask Washington State how it is they managed to have more people vote in their election for Governor then are registered to vote there.
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Even if you assume/hope that the vote of "same day" registered voter is a fraud... what can you do?
By definition the votes are confidential. How do you remove a fraudulent vote? You just can't. And if you tell me you can, the vote is a scam to begin with since it not confidential.
Of course, you just shut up about it and more give the dude an cigarette or something so he comes back again. For a cig he'll vote any way you tell him
Florida in the days following the Al Gore push to 'recount' discovered more and more voter fraud and began prosecuting individuals that voted in Florida and absentee in New York also. Dems especially have to be careful what they ask for.
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By definition it should be IMPOSSIBLE to determine which vote is fraudulent and which one is legal. It should be impossible you determine whom/what I voted for.
How can you determine which vote is fraudulent and is is not AFTER the election?
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You have to be a registered voter whose name is checked off a list. If the same voter shows up at more then one poll they go to jail. Its not a question of WHAT they voted but that they did it twice.
If you let anyone vote without controls or limitations of any sort all a country has to do is send boatloads of their citizens to our country on election day and write in Putin or Bin Laden or ... you know I shouldnt have said that.
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Florida in the days following the Al Gore push to 'recount' discovered more and more voter fraud and began prosecuting individuals that voted in Florida and absentee in New York also. Dems especially have to be careful what they ask for.
that's why I favor digital voting. With paper vote (chads and all the works, re examining the chads?, are they really hanging?, they've been punched but are they really disconnected?, but look this is an old lady ... did she really MEAN to push the Bush chad ... I think NO WAY... I think she meant Gore just did not find the proper hole) reinterpretation and all
I am a techie dude. It is clearly possible to create an "electronic (and practically/fail proof)" [ONE PERSON----ONE VOTE] or [ONE PERSON --- (weighthed) VOTE] or any other vote/tax-payment/decision-influence/war-waging system system today.
BTW, isn't this what Feds promise you... agree to a Nation ID Card and everything will be ok? What do you boogers do with all the illegals? Obviously you are going to give them "amnesty" after which there will be another "better yet" ID card
Whatever WE choose can be done today.
Where is this faith is paper trail coming from. Just because it is on paper "it must be true". You can manipulate/alternate/fake a paper trail MUCH easier that you can an electronic one
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unless you wrote the program. and own the machine the runs it. and the network. and the computer that prints it out for the talking head.
...and a majority share interest in the news corporation that pays the talking head doesn't hurt either.
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You have to be a registered voter whose name is checked off a list. If the same voter shows up at more then one poll they go to jail. Its not a question of WHAT they voted but that they did it twice.
If you let anyone vote without controls or limitations of any sort all a country has to do is send boatloads of their citizens to our country on election day and write in Putin or Bin Laden or ... you know I shouldnt have said that.
I'm not talking about a dude who votes twice. I'm talking about "a person" showing up at the poll and telling them... (and believe me or not I personally witnessed this last time I voted).
polling person: what is your name and what is your address?
the person: I'm not registered to vote
polling person: ok then, fill this registration form and here is your ballot...
ME: excuse me, can you actually give a ballot to an unknown/unregistered person?
polling person: Sir, if you do not stop interfering with the ELECTION process I will have you arrested.
this is how bad IT IS NOW
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unless you wrote the program. and own the machine the runs it. and the network. and the computer that prints it out for the talking head.
...and a majority share interest in the news corporation that pays the talking head doesn't hurt either.
not really. It is trivially possible to distribute the control over the vote. No entity controls the whole thing. It is only after all gather/collect/submit their results the whole picture becomes clear.
And this is what we need/want.
there is no easier way to control the "paper" vote. One we count the votes it is "TRUE/FACT", yeah , right.
It is clearly/obviously/definitely POSSIBLE to create a VOTER-FRAUD-PROOF system today. It is just that those who we vote for (a preprepared a MENU of course) don't like it.
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...this is how bad IT IS NOW
In my home state the person not registered would be given a provisional ballot to be counted only at such a time as a recount or close election occurs. Because of the provisional ballot system all provisional ballots are checked carefully in order to avoid the A.C.O.R.N. syndrome. Your state laws must be tainted with liberal influence.
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In my home state the person not registered would be given a provisional ballot to be counted only at such a time as a recount or close election occurs. Because of the provisional ballot system all provisional ballots are checked carefully in order to avoid the A.C.O.R.N. syndrome. Your state laws must be tainted with liberal influence.
and you believe it, right???
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Here in Australia, voting is compulsory. You must be registered to vote, and you must be a citizen to register.
I voted when I was 18 and I didn't vote since because there was really nothing to vote for. It did not matter who you voted for, a politician would win, things would go on and muchly remain the same. The electoral commission once threatened to prosecute me for a)failing to maintain my registration to vote and b) failing to actually vote. I told them to go for it and never heard a thing from them.
I actually registered and voted in the last election for the first time in 22 years because for the first time there was actually not so much something to vote FOR but something to vote AGAINST.
It's really a bit odd, the new Government is actually ideologically left of the old one, but they have taken a harder stance on welfare reduction, Government downsizing and spending than the "right" wing mob, and are actually trying to relax some of the draconian gun laws. :aok
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and you believe it, right???
Well there was quite a bit of press about the people that were charged with voter fraud. Of course there is no way of knowing if they actually did jail time paid fines or disappeared into the darkness of the north but at least the crime was known. Its much easier to believe in that sort of thing then it is anything Clinton or Gore.
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right now in ohio they are picking people up off the street and driving them to the polls for one stop register and voting.
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Well there was quite a bit of press about the people that were charged with voter fraud. Of course there is no way of knowing if they actually did jail time, paid fines or disappeared into the darkness of the north but at least the crime was known. Its much easier to believe in that sort of thing then it is anything Clinton or Gore.
but ... for now theire's OUR vote.... still holds, ???? That is all WE care of course.
Dad's and Mom's every where
Vote YES
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the democrats are learning.. they always have a huge drive to sign up mushead pot smokers and illegals and criminals and crazy homeless but... those guys never seem to be able to find the polling booths on election day and.. if you drive a bus around to round em up.. you can't really find em..
Soooo they have started "same day voting" where you drive the bus around all the homeless shelters and alleys and hooker areas and lowes parking lots for illegals and sign em up on the cocktail tour bus and take em right to the polls.. miles away.. no vote.. no ride home.
This is not foolproof either tho.. no telling what these idiots will do once in the booth... urinate on the machine.. whatever.
I believe the next "fair voting" practice the democrats will clamor for is "assisted voting" where they have a democrat in the booth with the guy to make sure he marks the ballot correctly.
lazs
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It's really not that hard, The change will be as simple as adding an extra S...
Obamamamma wants you to try it now, ten times to get used to it.
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
USSA
There that's not so hard is it?
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I admit I am confused on this one.
Why is there no requirement that a person show proof of citizenship before being registered to vote? According to that conservative rag the NY Times only Arizona requires proof of citizenship.
OMFG
Voter Registration Card!!!
You don't have it, you can't vote.
mg...huh...re-read what he asked...
You dont need proof of citizenship to get a card....Obama would say it like ..."just ask and ye shall recieve my imigrants"
Looks like MG has ran from another thread! :rofl
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the democrats are learning..
lazs
I wish they were Lazs... they are f*ing us from both sides
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In Md you have to be registered at least 30 days before the election and you have to be registered before the primaries in advance too.
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unless you wrote the program. and own the machine the runs it. and the network. and the computer that prints it out for the talking head.
an important and a valid point. This is why you distribute the control and collection of the system. In the past we just "trusted" the people who collect the boxes
Now we can "trust" computers to do the same. Computers can't be trusted?????? neither can people...
A computer is not a single, thinking and "feeling" being. It is a machine told to do what is their destination. A network of 1+ (gone wild) computers could't possibly create and control SKYNET (unless a f*d up human behind), computers just do what a human (fc*ed or not) thought before.
Computers make no decisions, they follow the algorithms humans fed them and "reply" . Humans make decisions.
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In Indiana you must be registered to vote 30 days before the election and show a state ID at the pollbooth. Most people show their drivers license, but if you don't have one, you can show a state ID card. And state ID cards are free for those people without a drivers license. It was controversial when the voting law was passed a few years ago, but I believe now that its a good law.
I think in Ohio what people figured out, is that if you can get an absentee ballot more than 30 days before the election, you really can have one stop register and vote stations. Obviously that needs to be changed so that absentee ballots can't be obtained until the registration period is closed.