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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: wrag on October 04, 2008, 08:42:53 AM
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nuff said
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nuff said
Soon as i get my Mk XII. :aok
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We need it back.
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Nope. :rock
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Nope. :rock
YESSSSS HUUUUUHHHH! :rock :rock
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We need it back.
We never had it
Was a K-4 in G-10 clothing.
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nuff said
+1
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Nope. :rock
Why would anybody not want any WW2 AC added? That's just plain silly.
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Why would anybody not want any WW2 AC added? That's just plain silly.
Especially one that was produced in the thousands. The G-10 would be useful for scenarios because it has better high altitude performance than the G-14, but it's not quite as muscular as a K-4.
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Especially one that was produced in the thousands. The G-10 would be useful for scenarios because it has better high altitude performance than the G-14, but it's not quite as muscular as a K-4.
I want my G-10 back.
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I want my G-10 back.
You weren't even here when it was around.
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You weren't even here when it was around.
He just graduated from pampers then. :D
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You weren't even here when it was around.
What you stalk me now?
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Especially one that was produced in the thousands. The G-10 would be useful for scenarios because it has better high altitude performance than the G-14, but it's not quite as muscular as a K-4.
I'd like to see HTC filling out early war. Might draw more to that arena. However like I said ant AC is welcome.
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I'd like to see HTC filling out early war. Might draw more to that arena. However like I said ant AC is welcome.
In that case, for 109s, the E-7 and F-2 could be added.
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He just graduated from pampers then. :D
LOL!What you stalk me now?
Did I say that? I know you weren't.
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An earlier Fw190 would be nice too.
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LOL!Did I say that? I know you weren't.
I don't know ask bigfoot.
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I don't know ask bigfoot.
Please explain.
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Please explain.
It a joke.
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It a joke.
It's a pretty dumb one at that, not very understandable.
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What you stalk me now?
I am. Look out your window *eerie music*
I say YES to G-10 since the 109 is my 2nd most favorite plane! :aok
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I am. Look out your window *eerie music*
I say YES to G-10 since the 109 is my 2nd most favorite plane! :aok
:eek: :eek: :eek:
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Yes, we need G10 back.
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As Much As I LOVE The Messerschmitt (Not Sarcastic Either) I Think We Have Enough
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As Much As I LOVE The Messerschmitt (Not Sarcastic Either) I Think We Have Enough
Fighters or bombers?
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Fighters or bombers?
What are you talking about?
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What are you talking about?
As Much As I LOVE The Messerschmitt (Not Sarcastic Either) I Think We Have Enough
Him asking him about axis got alot of fighters of bombers.
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As Much As I LOVE The Messerschmitt (Not Sarcastic Either) I Think We Have Enough
If you think we have enough 109 variants, then you don't know much about the aircraft.
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If you think we have enough 109 variants, then you don't know much about the aircraft.
hehe yup they had more variant/field mods than you could shake a stick at.
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If you think we have enough 109 variants, then you don't know much about the aircraft.
What I Mean Is That We Should Concentrate On More Aircraft Types Rather Than Variation Off Of Existing Ones
Consider Before You Go Insulting
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We have huge holes in the VVS, Italian, and Japanese planesets and you want another German plane. Explain your logic, for it seems much more advanced than our own Earth logic. :rolleyes:
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It's actually not adding, it's bringing back :)
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It's actually not adding, it's bringing back :)
Um, I'm sorry to break it to you SpikesX, but the "G-10" we had was actually a K-4, in all things but name.
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Um, I'm sorry to break it to you SpikesX, but the "G-10" we had was actually a K-4, in all things but name.
And optional 20 mm gun package.
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Wasn't here then, but I would guess the G-10 could also carry a bomb, gondolas, or air-to-air rockets, no?
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Wasn't here then, but I would guess the G-10 could also carry a bomb, gondolas, or air-to-air rockets, no?
IIRC.. yes
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Happens every time <sigh>
I am NOT asking for our OLD G10 to come back!
Our old G10 was really a K4 with optional 30mm or 20mm hub and optional 20mm gonds and I think rockets were also available.
What I'm asking for is the G10 variant, with all the old G10 options, that is about 25 mph slower then our K4 BUT has MUCH better HIGH alt performance then our G14 which is about 50 mph slower then our K4. Flew the G14 in DGS and flew the K4. The G14 is a real DOG at 30K LOL and didn't preform well until you got below 7K.
Here is a PLUS! It can be taken from either the G14 or the K4 and modified to either be faster (G14 model) or slower (K4 model) and we're set....?
I keep catching G14 at about 14k or higher with a G6 because the G14 SEEMS to preforms so poorly above 14k. (Ya I'm saying our G14 is basically worse then or about the same as a G6 at alt.)
In CT the G10 will be essential and VERY useful to the axis side. AND make it MORE challenging for the allied side, and FUN for everyone! (Unless the intentions is to make it EZ mode for those choosing the allies?).
And I'd LOVE to have it here in our arenas!!!!!
K4 is great for what it does but that 30mm is just not real useful when it's a single 109 against 3 or 4 allied rides (like ponys, hogs, 38s, or jugs).
Used to could take on 3 or 4 at high alt and give em a good fight with the OLD G10 but now the limiting factor is that STOOOOOPID 30mm. (Yes It was my main ride and I flew it with the 20mm hub and very often the 20mm gonds and I MISS IT!). You have to get soooooo close to be effective and the time required to do it often leaves you set up for the other 2 or 3. (I sometimes wonder if I and a few others are indirectly responsible for the neutering of the 109s as they used to have MUCH BETTER down vator then now, and the demise of the G10????)
Now here comes the ... but I never fly higher then 5K in the arena so why have a high alt version.
Answer... so? You wanna fly below 5k then fly below 5k, some of us enjoy 15K and higher fights so why shouldn't we have a better fighter for such fights or are you the only one that is allowed an opinion?
Oh and I also think that giving BACK the 30mm option to the G6 would be a good thing.
A little note here:
Food for thought... In the hands of a capable pilot the 109 was extremely dangerous to it's opponents! Many of the 109s flown during the later stages of the war were pretty much GREEN inexperienced newly trained pilots!
An article in Flight Journal written by two rather famous and well known pilots stated that in their flight testing of the two aircraft the 109G10 OUT TURNS the P51D. (Yes I referred HighTech Creations to the article. Also had another article comparing flight testing of the 190 against an F6F which was most interesting!
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Oh and I also think that giving BACK the 30mm option to the G6 would be a good thing.
It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that. :noid
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Wrag,
G-14 is markedly superior to the G-6 until about 25,000ft. At 15,000ft the G-14 can do almost 410mph on WEP and 375 on MIL. The G-6 at 15,000ft does about 380 on WEP and 375 on MIL. They have the same power on MIL, fyi.
The G-10 might be nice to have in the MA, but I am not sure how useful it would be for scenarios as the Bf109K-4 actually entered service about a month earlier than the Bf109G-10 as I recall.
It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that. :noid
It isn't strange at all. You have just ignored everybody who has explained it to you. We have an early Bf109G-6, of which very, very few (if any) had the 30mm gun option. That is the same reason our Spitfire Mk V has 60 rounds per cannon instead of 120, it is an early Mk V not a later Mk V.
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Karnak, I'm not ignoring that explanation, it's a non-explanation. Give the 30mm option to the 109G-6 and you have one from late '43, use the 20mm and you have one from early '43. Done.
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Karnak, I'm not ignoring that explanation, it's a non-explanation. Give the 30mm option to the 109G-6 and you have one from late '43, use the 20mm and you have one from early '43. Done.
You can't stop players from taking the 30mm gun when only the 20mm gun is supposed to be available.
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It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that. :noid
You weren't here then?
The 109G6 used to have the 30mm option.
The 109F4 Used to have a gonds option as well.
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Wrag,
G-14 is markedly superior to the G-6 until about 25,000ft. At 15,000ft the G-14 can do almost 410mph on WEP and 375 on MIL. The G-6 at 15,000ft does about 380 on WEP and 375 on MIL. They have the same power on MIL, fyi.
The G-10 might be nice to have in the MA, but I am not sure how useful it would be for scenarios as the Bf109K-4 actually entered service about a month earlier than the Bf109G-10 as I recall.
It isn't strange at all. You have just ignored everybody who has explained it to you. We have an early Bf109G-6, of which very, very few (if any) had the 30mm gun option. That is the same reason our Spitfire Mk V has 60 rounds per cannon instead of 120, it is an early Mk V not a later Mk V.
Got in to discussions on this 190a8 and the order of burning off the fuel tanks.
Which tank gave the best results when burned off 1st aux or aft.
Sorry to tell many but IMHO the 190a8 preforms better SOONER if you burn the AFT tank 1st!
Yes I KNOW many say burn the AUX first, tried that and tried the AFT and AFT burned first SEEMS to give you better performance sooner. SEEMS to get rid of that ugly snap stall SOONER. Not saying the other way is wrong, or the people that believe it is correct are wrong. Saying this is what I've found to be the case when I fly these planes in AH.
If you disagree please try it for yourself.
Not off line though!!!!
Fly em online and test these things!!!
As to the alts you list and what you are saying about the G14 vs the G6 from my experience in AHII I have to disagree! I did NOT dive to fight with them I climbed to them in a G6 and I still caught more then one G14 trying to climb away from me at around 14K. Not saying your wrong saying this is what I SEE and have SEEN.
Which has made me wonder, MANY TIMES about the G14 flight model. Many times at alt I've tried maneuvers that most 109s do well and the G14 doesn't SEEM to do them as well at all! Perhaps something is porked?
As to me catching them..... maybe they were doing something wrong or I was doing something right BUT hey you try it...............
IF you have not tried these things, if you are going by a bunch of numbers and or charts, then PLEASE try these things for yourself before you say anything further.
You MAY find them DIFFERENT!
Example.....I have NEVER been able to get a G14 to do the speed it was reported to be capable of at 16.5K.
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You can't stop players from taking the 30mm gun when only the 20mm gun is supposed to be available.
I take it you're talking about scenarios and such? They could be split into two separate aircraft. The same thing could be done for the SpitV and La-7.
I'd also like to see the F-4 get its gondolas back.
Most other aircraft in AH seem to have the best of the best variants modeled, but in the case of the 109 it's somehow ok to represent the lesser. We still don't have an AS variant of the G-6 or G-14, nor does any 109 have GM-1.
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They could, or they could implement the perked ord system, which would allow certain loadouts to be controled. But they seem to want to use very basic aircraft names and the perk loadout system remains unimplemented.
As to the Bf109F-4 with gondolas, I recall some pretty serious 109s fans showing that they didn't exist in reality.
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That's interesting. In the book 109 F, G, & K Series by Prien and Rodeike there are four photos of 109F-4's with 20mm gondolas from 1./JG52 and 3./JG52.
But they seem to want to use very basic aircraft names
Which is against the production philosophy of the wartime German aircraft industry. :P
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That's interesting. In the book 109 F, G, & K Series by Prien and Rodeike there are four photos of 109F-4's with 20mm gondolas from 1./JG52 and 3./JG52.
I could have remembered a bit wrong too, it may have been shown to be extremely rare. You'd have to do searches on it, the discussions should still be around.
Which is against the production philosophy of the wartime German aircraft industry. :P
Doesn't work really well for many British aircraft either.
Spitfire Mk IXs:
Spitfire F.Mk IX (can have either Merlin 61 or Merlin 63, "universal wing" with two 20mm, four .303s and no bomb racks, centerline bomb rack, has full wings)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (Merlin 66, "universal wing" with two 20mm, four .303s and no bomb racks, centerline bomb rack, may or may not have clipped wings)
Spitfire HF.Mk IX (Merlin 70, "universal wing" with two 20mm, four .303s and no bomb racks, centerline bomb rack, may or may not have clipped wings)
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe (Merlin 66, "e wing" with two 20mm, two .50s and racks for two bombs or two rockets, centerline rack, probably has clipped wings)
Spitfire HF.Mk IXe (Merlin 70, "e wing" with two 20mm, two .50s and racks for two bombs or two rockets, centerline rack, probably has full wings)
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LOL!Did I say that?
I know you weren't.
glock will hold the record for being the first poster to reach 1k posts and not have any clue of what he is saying.
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glock will hold the record for being the first poster to reach 1k posts and not have any clue of what he is saying.
The serect is in the drink. :O
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There were do many variants of all planes. The 109 series had so many varients. Some saw combat some were just sort of experiemental or saw combat becuase of urgency.
This happend with all planes for each country.
I think the best idea idea presented so far is an ordance perk system. I would gladly pay perks to have 20mm on the K4 or 30mm on the G2 or rockets or bombs for any 109. How about trading fuel or ammo for getting one or the other. If you want a bomb then you have to take less cannon or fuel....etc.
The same goes for any plane set.
Add to wish list!!
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The serect is in the drink. :O
keep going, your almost there.
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keep going, your almost there.
I will but i don't want 2 get ban. :(
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That's not up to you, it's up to the all powerful Skuzzy :)
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We have huge holes in the VVS, Italian, and Japanese planesets and you want another German plane. Explain your logic, for it seems much more advanced than our own Earth logic. :rolleyes:
Its called CT. Since its going to be 8th AF vs. the LW we could use a better '43-'44 high altitude 109.
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Its called CT. Since its going to be 8th AF vs. the LW we could use a better '43-'44 high altitude 109.
HERE HERE!!!!
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Its called CT. Since its going to be 8th AF vs. the LW we could use a better '43-'44 high altitude 109.
In that case a 109G-6/AS is what you're looking for. :aok
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Yea, I've been reading the posts and so far Glock is the only person posting who has no idea what he is saying or what's going on around him.
As far as the G10.. I wasn't around when it was available but I've read that it was basically a K model with a 20mm gun option. I'd say it should return since the K4 is kinda limited with it's 65 30mm Cannon rounds. But a experienced stick should have no problem taking down multiple bandits as long as he shoots in close and make sure the shots count.
I wouldn't mind the 109G10... as long as we get the P-47M... :)
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Oh lordy, not again, Wrag!
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What I Mean Is That We Should Concentrate On More Aircraft Types Rather Than Variation Off Of Existing Ones
Consider Before You Go Insulting
I Dont Think He Is Directly Insulting You.
I, On The Other Hand, Am. :)
(Bring back the G10, kthxbye)
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Oh lordy, not again, Wrag!
Yep and you already know what I'm gonna say cause we already been through it.
Hey how about before you post this time you TEST out what I've posted and see if it's different for you?
Take a g14 up to at least 16K (higher would be better) and fight someone, and see how it preforms then a G6 then a K4.
Maybe even try a G6 against a G14 at HIGH alt or visa versa and see what you get?
Showing your charts and diagrams and such is nice but I've found planes preformance in AceHigh verses your charts diagrams and such don't always SEEM to match.
Thank You.
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In that case a 109G-6/AS is what you're looking for. :aok
Yea a G5, G6, or G14/AS would bee nice.
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An earlier Fw190 would be nice too.
190 A-3 would be AMAZING!!! :O
:salute
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190 A-3 would be AMAZING!!! :O
:salute
190 D-13. :O
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190 D-13. :O
No, thanks. 190A3 would be nice for an early war 190... D13 not so much.
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No, thanks. 190A3 would be nice for an early war 190... D13 not so much.
Oh well they.
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Oh well they.
There is no way you could possibly interpret that as a coherent sentence.
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There is no way you could possibly interpret that as a coherent sentence.
Don't feel like it anyway G-10 would be great to have.
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There is no way you could possibly interpret that as a coherent sentence.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :O :O :O
:lol
Smiley spamming :D, but that was hilarious.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :O :O :O
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Smiley spamming :D, but that was hilarious.
:noid
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Take a g14 up to at least 16K (higher would be better) and fight someone, and see how it preforms then a G6 then a K4.
Maybe even try a G6 against a G14 at HIGH alt or visa versa and see what you get?
Showing your charts and diagrams and such is nice but I've found planes preformance in AceHigh verses your charts diagrams and such don't always SEEM to match.
Thank You.
I have done those things. To me the G-6 seems the WORST of all G-models. It's the underdog always in my book, which is why I sometimes like flying it (flying the underdog). The G-14 is more responsive to me and better able to dogfight than the G-6, which simply seems to bleed E a little more and is a little more sluggish. The K-4 is a different beast, to be sure, but at 16k and below I find the G-14 a better plane than the K-4. Even if I have the same weapons package (1x30mm) I find the G-14 a bit easier to pull hard Gs in. The K-4 is nice, sure, but it seems that other than slightly better climb rate the G-14 "feels" better. When the G14 came out I flew it a lot and predicted it'd be the best of the Gs now. I think it is. Now, that's not counting loading it down with gondolas or rockets and a drop tank that you forget to jetison or anything like that.
Up high I've done my fair share of being ganged by US late war rides in FSO and scenarios. I have a fair understanding of how it performs at alt. That said, as far as practical gameplay, I can get maybe 4 kills with 200 rds of 20mm nose cannon, but maybe 6-10 with 60 rds of 30mm nose cannon. I landed 8 in a G-14 but many of these were B26s and B17s that soaked up ammo.
Your taste for weaponry is your own, but you can't call the Mk108 crappy because you don't like it (your words: "that STOOOOOPID 30mm."). The "old" G10 had rockets and gondolas... but so did the F-4. Did you check up on whether the G-10s ever used them, or not? Much like the K-4 (its contemporary!) chances are it didn't have any wing-mounted armaments.
While I can sympathize with not liking the armaments, them's the breaks. I'd love the MG151/20 on the 262 (one variant carried 2 of them, as well as 2 Mk108s and 2 Mk103s). I personally wouldn't mind a 20mm on the K-4 as long as the gondies and rockets are left off. That would be a minor concession for the G10 crowd. However, HTC seems to be going the way of accurate representation now, and I think you may be better off petitioning for a G6/AS or a G5 or G14/AS: Something that does what you want but fills a hole that the G10 doesn't fill.
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Krusty, I took the G6 up once one day, first time i've TOUCHED a 109 in about 4 months. Got 6 kills in a massive furball, all turn fights, just the single 20mm. I'm used to the F4, and the G6, somehow, seemed just the same as it, minus a small bit of turning capabilities.