We NEED the 109G10!

[Lukanian-7]

If you think we have enough 109 variants, then you don't know much about the aircraft.

What I Mean Is That We Should Concentrate On More Aircraft Types Rather Than Variation Off Of Existing Ones

Consider Before You Go Insulting

[Iron_Cross]

We have huge holes in the VVS, Italian, and Japanese planesets and you want another German plane.  Explain your logic, for it seems much more advanced than our own Earth logic.

[Spikes]

It's actually not adding, it's bringing back

[Iron_Cross]

It's actually not adding, it's bringing back

Um, I'm sorry to break it to you SpikesX, but the "G-10" we had was actually a K-4, in all things but name.

[Bronk]

Um, I'm sorry to break it to you SpikesX, but the "G-10" we had was actually a K-4, in all things but name.

And optional 20 mm gun package.

[Anaxogoras]

Wasn't here then, but I would guess the G-10 could also carry a bomb, gondolas, or air-to-air rockets, no?

[Bronk]

Wasn't here then, but I would guess the G-10 could also carry a bomb, gondolas, or air-to-air rockets, no?

IIRC.. yes

[wrag]

Happens every time <sigh>

I am NOT asking for our OLD G10 to come back!

Our old G10 was really a K4 with optional 30mm or 20mm hub and optional 20mm gonds and I think rockets were also available.

What I'm asking for is the G10 variant, with all the old G10 options, that is about 25 mph slower then our K4 BUT has MUCH better HIGH alt performance then our G14 which is about 50 mph slower then our K4.  Flew the G14 in DGS and flew the K4.  The G14 is a real DOG at 30K LOL and didn't preform well until you got below 7K.

Here is a PLUS! It can be taken from either the G14 or the K4 and modified to either be faster (G14 model) or slower (K4 model) and we're set....?

I keep catching G14 at about 14k or higher with a G6 because the G14 SEEMS to preforms so poorly above 14k.  (Ya I'm saying our G14 is basically worse then or about the same as a G6 at alt.)

In CT the G10 will be essential and VERY useful to the axis side.  AND make it MORE challenging for the allied side, and FUN for everyone! (Unless the intentions is to make it EZ mode for those choosing the allies?).

And I'd LOVE to have it here in our arenas!!!!!

K4 is great for what it does but that 30mm is just not real useful when it's a single 109 against 3 or 4 allied rides (like ponys, hogs, 38s, or jugs).

Used to could take on 3 or 4 at high alt and give em a good fight with the OLD G10 but now the limiting factor is that STOOOOOPID 30mm.  (Yes It was my main ride and I flew it with the 20mm hub and very often the 20mm gonds and I MISS IT!).  You have to get soooooo close to be effective and the time required to do it often leaves you set up for the other 2 or 3. (I sometimes wonder if I and a few others are indirectly responsible for the neutering of the 109s as they used to have MUCH BETTER down vator then now, and the demise of the G10????)

Now here comes the ... but I never fly higher then 5K in the arena so why have a high alt version.

Answer... so?  You wanna fly below 5k then fly below 5k, some of us enjoy 15K and higher fights so why shouldn't we have a better fighter for such fights or are you the only one that is allowed an opinion?

Oh and I also think that giving BACK the 30mm option to the G6 would be a good thing.

A little note here:

Food for thought... In the hands of a capable pilot the 109 was extremely dangerous to it's opponents!  Many of the 109s flown during the later stages of the war were pretty much GREEN inexperienced newly trained pilots!

An article in Flight Journal written by two rather famous and well known pilots stated that in their flight testing of the two aircraft the 109G10 OUT TURNS the P51D.  (Yes I referred HighTech Creations to the article.  Also had another article comparing flight testing of the 190 against an F6F which was most interesting!

[Anaxogoras]

Oh and I also think that giving BACK the 30mm option to the G6 would be a good thing.

It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that.

[Karnak]

Wrag,

G-14 is markedly superior to the G-6 until about 25,000ft.  At 15,000ft the G-14 can do almost 410mph on WEP and 375 on MIL.  The G-6 at 15,000ft does about 380 on WEP and 375 on MIL.  They have the same power on MIL, fyi.


The G-10 might be nice to have in the MA, but I am not sure how useful it would be for scenarios as the Bf109K-4 actually entered service about a month earlier than the Bf109G-10 as I recall.

It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that.

It isn't strange at all.  You have just ignored everybody who has explained it to you.  We have an early Bf109G-6, of which very, very few (if any) had the 30mm gun option.  That is the same reason our Spitfire Mk V has 60 rounds per cannon instead of 120, it is an early Mk V not a later Mk V.

[Anaxogoras]

Karnak, I'm not ignoring that explanation, it's a non-explanation.  Give the 30mm option to the 109G-6 and you have one from late '43, use the 20mm and you have one from early '43.  Done.

[Karnak]

Karnak, I'm not ignoring that explanation, it's a non-explanation.  Give the 30mm option to the 109G-6 and you have one from late '43, use the 20mm and you have one from early '43.  Done.

You can't stop players from taking the 30mm gun when only the 20mm gun is supposed to be available.

[wrag]

It is strange that there were thousands of 109G-6 aircraft with the 30mm Mk108, yet we do not have it, while there were a literal handful of La-7s with 3x20mm cannon, but we have that.

You weren't here then?

The 109G6 used to have the 30mm option.

The 109F4 Used to have a gonds option as well.

[wrag]

Wrag,

G-14 is markedly superior to the G-6 until about 25,000ft.  At 15,000ft the G-14 can do almost 410mph on WEP and 375 on MIL.  The G-6 at 15,000ft does about 380 on WEP and 375 on MIL.  They have the same power on MIL, fyi.


The G-10 might be nice to have in the MA, but I am not sure how useful it would be for scenarios as the Bf109K-4 actually entered service about a month earlier than the Bf109G-10 as I recall.

It isn't strange at all.  You have just ignored everybody who has explained it to you.  We have an early Bf109G-6, of which very, very few (if any) had the 30mm gun option.  That is the same reason our Spitfire Mk V has 60 rounds per cannon instead of 120, it is an early Mk V not a later Mk V.

Got in to discussions on this 190a8 and the order of burning off the fuel tanks.

Which tank gave the best results when burned off 1st aux or aft.

Sorry to tell many but IMHO the 190a8 preforms better SOONER if you burn the AFT tank 1st!

Yes I KNOW many say burn the AUX first, tried that and tried the AFT and AFT burned first SEEMS to give you better performance sooner. SEEMS to get rid of that ugly snap stall SOONER. Not saying the other way is wrong, or the people that believe it is correct are wrong.  Saying this is what I've found to be the case when I fly these planes in AH.

If you disagree please try it for yourself.

Not off line though!!!!

Fly em online and test these things!!!

As to the alts you list and what you are saying about the G14 vs the G6 from my experience in AHII I have to disagree!  I did NOT dive to fight with them I climbed to them in a G6 and I still caught more then one G14 trying to climb away from me at around 14K.  Not saying your wrong saying this is what I SEE and have SEEN.

Which has made me wonder, MANY TIMES about the G14 flight model.  Many times at alt I've tried maneuvers that most 109s do well and the G14 doesn't SEEM to do them as well at all!  Perhaps something is porked?

As to me catching them..... maybe they were doing something wrong or I was doing something right BUT hey you try it...............

IF you have not tried these things, if you are going by a bunch of numbers and or charts, then PLEASE try these things for yourself before you say anything further.

You MAY find them DIFFERENT!

Example.....I have NEVER been able to get a G14 to do the speed it was reported to be capable of at 16.5K.

[Anaxogoras]

You can't stop players from taking the 30mm gun when only the 20mm gun is supposed to be available.

I take it you're talking about scenarios and such?  They could be split into two separate aircraft.  The same thing could be done for the SpitV and La-7.

I'd also like to see the F-4 get its gondolas back.

Most other aircraft in AH seem to have the best of the best variants modeled, but in the case of the 109 it's somehow ok to represent the lesser.  We still don't have an AS variant of the G-6 or G-14, nor does any 109 have GM-1.