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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on October 22, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
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Now that was a good game! It was even over by midnight EST! :aok
Fine, Upton had a bad night, and so did Longoria, but I don't doubt that they'll be back in game 2. On the other hand, Howard is in a slump that shows no sign of letting up.
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Look for the Rays to make a comeback.
The Phils pitching falls of in talent after Hammels.
Race
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Look for the Rays to make a comeback.
The Phils pitching falls of in talent after Hammels.
Race
Exactly :aok
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Yeah, I think the Rays are a big favorite tonight, unless they Phillies decline the designated hitter spot and send Myers to the plate. :P
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:rofl No one pays attention if the Red Sox aren't playing.
St. Petersburg may have fair weather TB Rays fans, but it seems like the Red Sox people are fair weather baseball fans. :P
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Next few games are in Philly :devil
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Go Cubs!!!!
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They still playing baseball?
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Woohoo!!!! Big Game James pulled through for us last night. And the defense shone bright. Nice double play by Rocco Baldelli!! :aok One day off and in Philly for Garza and Sonnenstine. Quality pitchers still coming for Tampa Bay. Upton finally got his bat going again. If only Longoria would stop swinging for the dang fence. Anyhoo, I get to go to bed early tonight. :)
Go RAYS!!!!!! :rock
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:rofl No one pays attention if the Red Sox aren't playing.
I route for the Phillies, but I don't watch it...
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The media forgets that there's baseball played in places other than New England and the West Coast.
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The media forgets that there's baseball played in places other than New England and the West Coast.
surely you mean east coast.
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Nope. I stand by New England. Because the East Coast includes Florida, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, and Washington, all of which mas as well not exist as far as the media is concerned. I WILL give you Atlanta, but is that really all that surprising considering how closely their recent history was tied to a major national media news outlet? (Turner)
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So, what are the odds that Moyer doesn't throw batting practice to Upton and Longoria tonight? :rolleyes:
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Rain delay! :cry
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So, what are the odds that Moyer doesn't throw batting practice to Upton and Longoria tonight? :rolleyes:
thats a big possiblity! :rofl
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No, it looks like tonight age and treachery triumphed over youth and skill. :eek: Bottom of the 6th now, still 2-1 Phil.
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:confused: watching UFC baseball still puts me to sleep! 2-1 hmm thought it would be higher.
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Of course with a strike zone the size of Rhode Island its a lot easier.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Race
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I actually like umps with bigger strike zones, so long as it's consistent like it's been tonight. The game will end in a reasonable amount of time, and batters have to swing instead of constantly trying to foul off pitches to draw a walk.
Anyone see the incorrect call at first here in the top of the 7th? That runner was out. Now he just scored. You gotta love mistakes like that in the world series. :rolleyes:
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Althought the Phillies owe mother nature a 6 pack for that homerun ball that was stalled out ot left.
(Granted mother nature vs bad call isnt the same.)
I am a Rays fan so he was safe. :D
Edit: Anyone else think the "God Bless America" was a little tanked?
Race
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4- 3 phills top of the 8th.. ufc sucked boo.
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Make that 4-4 tie game
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Should be 4-3. Every year I tell myself I'm not going to watch baseball anymore until they allow 1 or 2 instant replay requests per game. It seems to work very well for the NFL and I've seen too many baseball games ruined by incorrect calls with no recourse.
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What a strange finish. :huh
Time to get some sleep. It's 2am! :lol
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Should be 4-3. Every year I tell myself I'm not going to watch baseball anymore until they allow 1 or 2 instant replay requests per game. It seems to work very well for the NFL and I've seen too many baseball games ruined by incorrect calls with no recourse.
Replay has no place in baseball. Not even the limited version they've instituted this year.
But that's a subject for another thread.
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Replay has no place in baseball. Not even the limited version they've instituted this year.
Neither does the DH
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Who cares? Phils won!!!!!!
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Errors in judgement are part of the game. Grown men deal with it. It'd be boring if every game was called perfectly, strikezone of Rhoad Island or not.
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I apologize.....
I really can't hear you guys to well due to all the applause still coming from Citizens Bank Park.
:D
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Errors in judgement are part of the game. Grown men deal with it. It'd be boring if every game was called perfectly, strikezone of Rhoad Island or not.
Exactly. And I'm saying this as a fan of the team that was victimized by probably the WORST post-season officiating gaffe of baseball's modern era (Denkinger!!!!!! :furious :furious :furious )
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Interesting opinion. What is different about baseball vs football that makes instant replay appropriate for the latter but not for the former? Aside from simply stating no replay is more manly.... :rolleyes: I'm not going to treat that as a serious answer.
In this instance, the umpire admitted that he didn't have what he needed to make a good call, which is the normal sound of the ball in the first baseman's glove vs the sound of the runner's foot on the bag. Perhaps if the umpire himself deems that he doesn't have what he needs to make an accurate call, instead of just winging it, instant replay would be beneficial for baseball.
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Interesting opinion. What is different about baseball vs football that makes instant replay appropriate for the latter but not for the former?
Prissy umpires/prissy players. That would be the dif.
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Baseball (for the most part) has always made an attempt to remain more connected to its history and tradition. I went to a Blues game once last year as an office Christmas function (it's hockey, not football, I know, but bear with me) and it was like being at a rock concert and laser-light show. The Superbowl (which I HAVE watched when the Rams haven't sucked) may as WELL be a rock concert. :rolleyes:
And of the things that need fixing in baseball, the potential of human error in umpiring is at the very BOTTOM of the list of things that are LEAST needed.
In no particular order, any TWO of these would improve the game about a thousand times more than replay could hope to:
1) The mound needs to be raised back up to its pre-1969 height.
2) Honestly, contraction. There ARE too many teams, and because the talent pool is stretched so thin there's players in the Major Leagues who have no business being there (high strike-out hitters like Adam Dunn and Ryan Howard wouldn't have even gotten a GLIMPSE of the Majors 25 years ago unless they paid admission).
3) Additionally to #2: Then we don't need a three-round playoff system. I don't think it's likely we'll see one round again, but let's at LEAST whittle it back down to only an East and West division in both leagues.
4) Wrest control of the game away from the media. Three-hour games only benefit the advertisers (that's the great thing about extra-innings ball. Almost no more commercial breaks until the game is done, at least in St. Louis).
5) ENFORCE THE REGULATION STRIKE ZONE. Simple as that. The book says the strike zone should be so big, but umpires haven't actually CALLED the regulation strike zone in years.
6) Speaking of Umpires, there's a few who've come to the conclusion they're bigger than the game (Angel Hernandez comes to mind) that need to be knocked off their pedestal.
7) Ditch Interleague. It was a novel idea the first few years, especially when you get classic match-ups Like Cards or Dodgers vs Yankees, or cross-town rivalries like Cubs vs White Socks or Yankees vs Mets. But at this point the novelty has worn off.
8) Following on from #7: When you take away Interleague DON'T REPLACE IT with more in-league games. The season needs to be shortened back down to 154 games.
9) Put an end to that "All-Star Winning Team Chooses Home Field in the World Series) bull. Seriously. The All-Star game shouldn't count for ANYTHING but bragging rights.
There's more, but this is the list I could throw together quickly. All of these would be FAR more significant improvements than anything replay could hope to accomplish.
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Good post, and persuasive!
The home plate umpire last night seemed to have a more by-the-book strikezone, e.g. Victorino was called out looking on a letters-high strike.
I couldn't agree more about the 3+ hour game. :rolleyes:
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The home plate umpire last night seemed to have a more by-the-book strikezone, e.g. Victorino was called out looking on a letters-high strike.
Are you crazy? (sarcasm) That ump was calling a strike zone I could drive a semi-trailer thru.I would bet 25% of those "strikes" would have been balls for a lot of other umpires. Sorry but I couldn't disagree more here.
Race
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Race,
See #5 in my post above.
The problem is those "lot of other umpires" haven't been calling the regulation strike zone. Umpires in the last few years have been calling a strike zone that is significantly SMALLER than what the rulebook dictates.
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I disagree Saxman....the stike zone is the width the homeplate correct? Alot of those strikes were down each side of the plate missing paint by as much as a ball diameter. How can you have a rule thats not enforced correctly? It seems stupid to me to say 17" wide when everyone is calling 19". I cant see how they are calling the strike zone too small when you go by that.
Make the rules and use them to the letter!
Race
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First: The main issue the the strike zone is vertically. Either the top or bottom gets cut off.
Second: The strike zone is where the ball CROSSES the plate, not where the catcher catches it. Just because the catcher receives it a few inches outside, doesn't mean it wasn't in the zone when it crossed the plate.
Third: Whether you disagree or not, it's ALWAYS been part of the game that pitchers try to get the umpire to expand the zone, and this is especially the case of finesse pitchers. When control guys hit their spots early they try to bump a little further outside the black as the game goes on. If the guy's on, he gets the benefit of the doubt. If not, he gets squeezed.
The problem is that the strike zone is typically constricted too much from the START.
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One thing I've noticed is a visual discrepancy between "pitch-trax" and the over-the-plate instant replay. A lot of pitches that appear out of the box with pitch-trax catch actually caught the corner of the plate.
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I was basing my opinion on the overhead view and my own eye. Pitch Trax is definitly not fool proof and I agree its not a 100% correct view of pitch location. Last night the strike zone was several inches bigger in all directions than the standard set forth in the rules. In my mind last night was a farce for a strike zone when you compare the rule to the game. As longs as its consistent I think is the big key but I hardly see where they are calling it small?
Race
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One night with an oversized strike zone for every five or six where it's microscopic. I'd take a strike zone a few inches bigger over an umpire with an arm that's too tired to raise for anything that's not right down the middle any day of the week.
As long as it's consistent from pitch to pitch.
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Allright, now the 3rd base Ump just screwed the Rays. It goes both ways, but even the announcers are ragging on the Umps for missing a lot of calls this series. ;)
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Lets hope the Rays dont lose the game by one?
On a side note tonights strike zone is more regulation sized in my opinion.
Race
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Black Rays?
More errors than a blind accountant....
Race
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Yeah, something wasn't right with the Rays, fielding and batting. Some of the credit goes to Phillies' pitching in their handling of Pena and Longoria, as was pointed out throughout the game.
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Lets hope the Rays dont lose the game by one?
On a side note tonights strike zone is more regulation sized in my opinion.
Race
Hey, at least you got your wish :aok
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No doubt.....
Race
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The officials in this World Series are a joke.....bad calls all around.
At least they have been screwing each team equally. :mad:
Edit: I hope this goes another game (or two) it would suck for the Phils to win (or Rays to lose) the world series on such a dismal game.
Race
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Yeah, the weather is terrible! I would prefer they had just not played tonight with such a weather forecast.
Kellog's strikezone is tighter than...errr...ummm...yeah, you know. ;)
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Oh, hey, they're tarping the field right now!
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The strike zone has been porked the entire series (except for game 4). Its several inches too big or few inches too small. The umps blowing calls left and right in the process changing the whole flow of the game. At least its tied going into the rain delay. That means the World Series will finish with a 9 inning game. What happens if they dont get it off tomorrow either? Will they play it in the morning or later in the day? The rain is supposed to be worse tomorrow so it might be delayed again if they wait to late in the day.
Anyone have an informed opinion?
Race
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Right after the game tied.
They only waited 30 minutes in the rain
God forbid we cant let the advertisers get enough air time.
What a load of crap
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Its not called yet...
Race
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And you are not here to actually see the weather.
It's over for tonight
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I checked the weather. I wouldn't expect this game to continue until Thursday. :uhoh
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This town is unbelievably INSANE, right now
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It might break in about 2 hours......... :confused:
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28 years and we're waiting on a dang rain delay. :rolleyes:
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28 years and we're waiting on a dang rain delay. :rolleyes:
I was still in diapers the last time you guys won. :lol
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I was 7. :D
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Game will resume at 2000 hrs tomorrow :cry
Kinda glad they called it after the tie. I'd rather we won by beating their asses, fair and square :devil
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Would they play 2 games in Tampa if they dont get it in tomorrow? Or delay games 6/7 until further notice?
Starting at 8:00 tomorrow doesnt look good...
Race
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Just found a news artical that the series will not go back to Tampa until game 5 is completed.
Could be a while....
Race
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Yup, I expect the game to be played on Thursday, and if necessary it'll finish over the weekend in Tampa.
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If they dont get it off tonight Game 7 will be on Halloween......good or bad for baseball?
I think a 7 game series ending on a party night could be the ending MLB has lacked lately.
Race
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I'm expecting a parade on Friday or Saturday :devil
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Thank goodness the weather is going to be good for the parade in Tampa!
:D
Race
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The weather will be nicer in the northeast on the weekend 60 i think! And not another pre game show. Get it moving FOX!
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Its postponed until tomorrow.....baseball on Halloween is almost a given if they run the series out.
Guess I will be passing candy out instead of trick or treating. :)
Race
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Thank goodness the weather is going to be good for the parade in Tampa!
:D
Race
They throw parades for the losing team in Tampa? :D
Tell your boys to break out the long underwear. It's going to be a brisk one tonight, here in the city of brotherly love.
Probably colder than any of you Tampa folks have ever seen.
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Probably colder than any of you Tampa folks have ever seen.
Why do you think we live here? :lol Moved from Minnesota 10 years ago and don't regret it. By the way, how does your back feel after shoveling that wet snow? :rofl
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Not too bad.
The gas can for the snow blower was only half full :D
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Maybe you Phillies fans can answer something for me.
Why are the fans at the games so rude? Here stories all the time of a kid in a Rays' jersey getting a beer thrown on him or Joe Maddon's 7 year old niece getting mustard packets thrown at her. Why? From what I keep seeing, Philly has the worst fans in the country. You even have a jail underneath the stadium where the Eagles play. Not that there aren't nasty fans everywhere, but why does it seem like they all live in Philly?
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They're grumpy because their teams have sucked for so many years. :devil
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4-3 phils 9th
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2008 World Series Champs
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2008 World Series Champs
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa182/edorsett72/phillies.jpg)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Congrats Phillies! National League represent', yo!!!!
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Yeah, half the reason I rooted for the Phillies was because they're National League. Down with the DH!!! :furious