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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazaa on October 29, 2008, 02:46:23 AM
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I’ve been playing AH2 for over three years now and I’ve always used a mouse, keyboard and just recently CH Pro Pedals to play. Now being an FPS gamer I’ve always felt comfortable using a mouse, not to mention that the views when using the number pad feel so natural to me since I‘ve been using them for so long.
I would say I’ve done rather well in AH2 to a certain degree. For example, after almost a year out from AH2 I’ve put in some game time this tour, scoring a K/D ratio of around 8.0, a K/S ratio of around 3.0 and a hit ratio of 8%, which is normally around 13%. The only real problem I have is getting my controls stole when stall fighting, which happens to me rather a lot. My snap shot is rather poor also.
Now a lot of people can’t believe that I use mouse and keyboard to play AH2 and I don’t know why. (I’m starting to crack under the peer pressure) Is it because of immersion or does using a HOTAS give you super powers ? Lets face it, no matter what input you use there is no difference in how your plane can perform. (I’d like Skuzzy’s view here if that’s ok, just to be sure.)
I’m bringing my dilemma to the forums because I hate change, I mean it took me over 3 years to go from A,S,D keys to pedals for rudder input. I already have a Saitek X-52 which I’ve used for a couple of sorties, it’s sitting in the cupboard right now. I felt awkward moving the stick around while using hat switches for views, I would end up spinning to the ground most of the time and throw my toys out of the pram then setup my good old mouse and keyboard again.
What I’m after is opinions from people who have moved form mouse to HOTAS or stick and keybaord, can you please tell me what the difference is. I kind of feel that I'm missing out.
Regards, Kazaa. <S>
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Use whatever YOU feel comfy with Kazaa - wouldnt worry about peer pressure fella........
(gotta love the people who start yelling cos your using a mouse) and yeah, I cant believe some of the tricks you pull, but know its down to skill, and nothing else.
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Wurzel
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Kazaa, you need to get a joystick. As for using the keyboard, that's fine! Here's my setup: CH Fighterstick which I would recommend you get, and I can help you map all the buttons if you would like. I have views set on the joystick, but I mostly use the num pad still. As for rudders, I use the keyboard(A,S,D). You have attained your ratios from smart flying but you wont get anywhere near your potential until you get a joystick.
Another thing, I used to have a crappy saitek joystick and I ordered this CH Fighterstick and when I first changed joystick, i hated the CH Fighterstick. It felt so awkward and I couldn't hit a plane going straight. I changed back to my saitek after using it for an hour. Then I kept giving it extra chances again and again until eventually I said you know what, this stick is better than the Saitek. The reason i tell you that is because moving to a joystick will be more awkward than me just simply changing joysticks lol.
As for flying with a joystick and using the num pad, place your joystick directly to the right of your keyboard, right hand on joystick lfet hand on num pad obviously. You can always have your left hand on your views and ur right hand on your controls that way. That should feel relatively comfortable. (Flaps will be mapped to joystick)
Anyways, that's my 2 cents, and if you decide to get the CH FIghterstick which really is the most durable most elite joystick on the market, I'll help you map it to a very efficient and logical manner :)
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To a degree yes I fly smart.You will not see me running into a horde on my own, with eyes closed and guns blazing.
All of my time this tour has been spent furballing it up, mainly fighting from a disadvantage.
Edit: Grizz, that sounds like a setup I could get use to, but what do you use for throttle ?
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Yeah in a 1v1 when you start to stall and have to balance your plane more and more, I don't see how it is doable with the mouse. Kazaa, you should pull out your saitek and have it installed and calibrated alongside your mouse, fly a couple joystick missions a night each night along iwth however many other mouse missions you wish to fly. Just devote a couple jstick missions a night and give it some time. You will definetely improve with it and maybe in a few weeks or months u might chuck the mouse.
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Kazaa, if you know some RL pilots who have small sporty aircraft like the RV's and such you could ask them for a little stick time to see how the action relates in the real world.
Other than that you could probably get a similar type of experience with the commercial introductory flights but those aircraft usually have yokes, which is fine if you fly bombers like the P38 and such.
It's well worth the effort and you'll likely find yourself an exciting new addiction to add to your life. A pilots' ticket also looks pretty flash on a CV under personal interests too. :aok
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Throttle on the joystick, it's very easy to manage, it's on the left of the base and right next to the num pad.
I feel throttle dial on jstick is most efficient way to control throttle and would highly recommend it but u could still use the keys for throttle and a joystick at the same time.
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My original CH flightstick had a throttle mounted on the stick, as did my old sidewinder and logicrap stick.
After using the X52 throttle I'd have a hard time going back.
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Grizz,
I was thinking about adding a scroll wheel to my keyboard, just about where my thumb rests. That way I don't have to lift my hand from my keyboard to reach the CH fighter stick's throttle. I'm guessing you have to do that unless you have both your stick and keyboard really, really close together and have big hands? :D
I would have to read up on how to do so though.
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Grizz,
I was thinking about adding a scroll wheel to my keyboard, just about where my thumb rests. That way I don't have to lift my hand from my keyboard to reach the CH fighter stick's throttle. I'm guessing you have to do that unless you have both your stick and keyboard really, really close together and have big hands? :D
I would have to read up on how to do so though.
my Joystick and Keyboard are right against eachother. The joystick throttle and num pads is aproximately 2-3 inches apart. I lift off the num pad and onto the throttle and back to num pad very quickly. It takes a little practice but it isn't that difficult. Juggling rudders on A S D is more difficult but you already have pedals.
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Truly amazing that you've spent the last 3 years here without using a joy stick Kazaa :aok
In a recent post i had written something like anyone who uses a mouse will never be as good as someone who uses a mouse. Seems i was wrong about that. :rolleyes: I suppose if you put enough time into anything you can become very good using only what you have or are used to.
Not sure why you would be under any peer pressure to change,especially from your own squad mates if so. Seeing that you are so good at using your currant set up, I wouldn't change a thing. It musta took a long time to master that mouse, starting fresh with a stick might end up causing you some frustration.
You Rock Kazaa :rock :salute
Turns out there are quite a few mouse users. Nilsen is another good player that comes to mind.
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I've just got a x52 and now my flying is different,before wit the throttle on the joystick i dint bother with it that much in dog fights as i found it quite awkward,but now with a separate throttle its getting easier to use.
I've tried a mouse on my laptop when using the game for skinning shots and boy did that suck.
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Not sure why you would be under any peer pressure to change,especially from your own squad mates if so. Seeing that you are so good at using your currant set up, I wouldn't change a thing. It musta took a long time to master that mouse, starting fresh with a stick might end up causing you some frustration.
He did say his abilities are hindered while stall fighting and snap shooting, which IMO are incredibly important factors in advanced dog fights. Changing to a joystick will cause frustration but I mean cmon, if you are that good with a mouse which no has ever been able to do like you, imagine how good you will be with a joystick when you get used to it. A mouse has limits, which you have clearly taken your game to the high points of those limits, but a joystick has higher limits which you need to get to! :salute
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I started with a mouse years and years and years ago...
I switched to a HOTAS for the very reasons you stated, I could not quite keep control of a fighter under some circumstances. LOL... heck, even with the HOTAS there are times I lose control but they are less frequent.
The main thing is to take the time to set it up the way YOU like it. Then the time to adjust to the change. Once adjusted I think you'd be happy with the change.
Any change takes time to adjust to. I went from an X45 stick to a CH Fighterstick. That took a while to adjust to. Then I tested a "Beta" stick for someone (OH GEEZ that reminds me, I need to send it back yet) and that threw me off. And then when I went back to my stock CH stick I had to readjust again.
Either way, fly with what you are comfortable with and feel you are performing your best with. Just take the time needed to adjust to any changes. Don't make a judgement in one week. Give it a few months.
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I fly with the mouse too Kazaa and i have no trouble with it. Not having to clutter my desk (and below it) with sticks, throttles and pedals and yet more usb hubs is an added bonus. If you feel comfortable without it then save yourself the hassle of all that kit.
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This is what I'm thinking.
I'll buy a CH Fighter Stick and mod a scroll wheel onto my current keyboard and use it for throttle, I then will have everything at at reach without having to lift a finger.
More input is always welcome.
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This is what I'm thinking.
I'll buy a CH Fighter Stick and mod a scroll wheel onto my current keyboard and use it for throttle, I then will have everything at at reach without having to lift a finger.
More input is always welcome.
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CH Fighterstick has a scroll wheel on it already. :)
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Don't forget I'll be using number pad for views, I don't want to to keep swapping between throttle and views.
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I've only flown with the mouse a couple of times when my ms sidewinder died and i just couldn't get the hang of it. So i imagine it is probably as difficult for you the other way round, but as others said it'll just take time. Once you're used to flying with the stick you can always try and use the hat switch for views down the road.
I've had my ch fighterstick for years and i love it. :)
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It actually amazes me that many of what I consider the "Top Guns" in the game fly with a mouse and keyboard. Personally, I've been flying sims with a joystick for so long, going to a mouse would be impractical. Kazaa, fly with what you're most comfortable with. The joystick makes the game more fun for me.
The CH products are the best because they can take the beating. I've used an old Microsoft Force Feedback 2 since they came out in 1996 (I feel old all of a sudden). Sadly, Microsoft doesn't make them any more. I had to hunt for my last one on Ebay.
I did find these two on Ebay (there are many more, but these looked to be the better ones):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Precision-2-Flight-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ190252549324QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190252549324&_trkparms=72%3A1424%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Precision-2-Flight-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ190252549324QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190252549324&_trkparms=72%3A1424%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microsoft-SIDEWINDER-2-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ290270530986QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290270530986&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microsoft-SIDEWINDER-2-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ290270530986QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290270530986&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
Both have all the features that most pilots use, throttle, rudders, 8 way hat (for views), and 8 other programmable buttons (i.e. cannons, mg's, wep, check 6 calls...)
The only problem I have with CH products is the price. Very expensive but most will say well worth it.
Hope this helps and good luck! :aok
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Kaz, give me a call bro and I'll measure you up for the good gear.
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Kaz, give me a call bro and I'll measure you up for the good gear.
Does it come in leather ?
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Kaz given the peds you already own, go with the Fighterstick and a throttle. You'll have everything at your fingertips except for keyboard slaptalk input on Ch 200 :rofl
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Kazaa, hold off on the throttle dial on your keyboard until after you see the throttle dial on the Fighterstick. When you put your CH FIghterstick right next to your keyboard you might realize how easy it is to go back and forth from num pad to throttle. Also, the throttle wheel on the CH has very minimal resistance, you can flick it down and up with one finger with ease. Your hand really never leaves the num pad.
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To a degree yes I fly smart.You will not see me running into a horde on my own, with eyes closed and guns blazing.
All of my time this tour has been spent furballing it up, mainly fighting from a disadvantage.
Edit: Grizz, that sounds like a setup I could get use to, but what do you use for throttle ?
I don't know what Grizz uses, but I use a CH throttle, to go with my Fighterstick and rudder pedals.
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Nikomon does the same thing using the mouse, I cant imagine using it since I am so used to my stick and keys, go with what you know.
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I never got off the ground with my mouse have had stick from first 30 mins. I love my x45 stick throt and pedals
I like them because it is a little more realistic. Gives me a little realism
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Speaking as Kazaa's best friend in this here flight sim, I can't wait until he stops flying with his mouse and I can beat him silly when he is flying like a dork :lol
Who needs enemies :D
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Looking forward to it Bruv. :aok
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I 'd use what ever you are more comfortable with. I couldn't imagine not using an X-52, i have just about everything mapped to the stick and throttle. only need the keyboard for a few minor thing.
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I 'd use what ever you are more comfortable with. I couldn't imagine not using an X-52, i have just about everything mapped to the stick and throttle. only need the keyboard for a few minor thing.
I was going to say something like this, but you've already said it.
My X52 setup is great and I do not use all of its functions.
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same here, i have some open spots on the throttle.
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I'm in the same boat Kaz. Been flying for a few years now, always mouse and keyboard. I haven't switched over to the pedals, but have considered it many times. I tried kicking over to a JS, but failed miserably. WAY too many years of heavy FPS play :)
The one thing I really would love though is a better throttle input. I've tried using my mouse wheel, but I can never get the effect I really want out of it. Plus, I use mouse wheel (pressing it down) for firing just primary weps, so I often throttle back in a hail of gunfire :eek: I think some sort of mount on the edge/side of the keyboard could be effective, but if the joystick has a good input for throttle that works too.
I know for a fact that inefficient throttle control is my largest weakness as a fighter, so if you guys have a suggestion I'm all ears. Anyway, good luck with the switch if your making it Kaz.
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Looking forward to it Bruv. :aok
if you want i can send you macs x52!
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that thing is like the village bicycle :rofl
POS
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I'm in the same boat Kaz. Been flying for a few years now, always mouse and keyboard. I haven't switched over to the pedals, but have considered it many times. I tried kicking over to a JS, but failed miserably. WAY too many years of heavy FPS play :)
The one thing I really would love though is a better throttle input. I've tried using my mouse wheel, but I can never get the effect I really want out of it. Plus, I use mouse wheel (pressing it down) for firing just primary weps, so I often throttle back in a hail of gunfire :eek: I think some sort of mount on the edge/side of the keyboard could be effective, but if the joystick has a good input for throttle that works too.
I know for a fact that inefficient throttle control is my largest weakness as a fighter, so if you guys have a suggestion I'm all ears. Anyway, good luck with the switch if your making it Kaz.
Search Ebay or something for a MS sidewinder. Very cheap and will last you 10 years if you dont throw it at the wall. Has full 8 way hat, bout 10 buttons, well placed slider for throttle and very precise twisty rudder. Even then if you go back to the moue you probably only wasted about $20. Its hard because you are not used to it, you have to stick at it for a week or two, then you wont want to go back to a mouse ever again.
quote from obie earlier:
It actually amazes me that many of what I consider the "Top Guns" in the game fly with a mouse and keyboard. Personally, I've been flying sims with a joystick for so long, going to a mouse would be impractical. Kazaa, fly with what you're most comfortable with. The joystick makes the game more fun for me.
The CH products are the best because they can take the beating. I've used an old Microsoft Force Feedback 2 since they came out in 1996 (I feel old all of a sudden). Sadly, Microsoft doesn't make them any more. I had to hunt for my last one on Ebay.
I did find these two on Ebay (there are many more, but these looked to be the better ones):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Precision-2-Flight-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ190252549324QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190252549324&_trkparms=72%3A1424%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Precision-2-Flight-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ190252549324QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190252549324&_trkparms=72%3A1424%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microsoft-SIDEWINDER-2-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ290270530986QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290270530986&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microsoft-SIDEWINDER-2-Joystick-USB_W0QQitemZ290270530986QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290270530986&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
Both have all the features that most pilots use, throttle, rudders, 8 way hat (for views), and 8 other programmable buttons (i.e. cannons, mg's, wep, check 6 calls...)
The only problem I have with CH products is the price. Very expensive but most will say well worth it.
Hope this helps and good luck! :aok
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I've bought several MS Sidewinder Prec 2 USB sticks from Ebay.
Normally they cost between 20 - 30$ with shipping. May have to take some time, watch a few to catch a good low price. Take your time and make sure you know what your getting as there are a lot of older 3dpro's and non usb sticks for sale.
OR go to the nearest Walmart and pick up a Saitek ST-290 for about 20$.
Has 4 axis, hat, some buttons and would certainly do well enough to let you know if you want to make the switch or not.
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If you decide to go HOTAS, from the reviews the CH Sticks are the best overall, but the Sietek throttle is better than the CH one due to the trim wheels and adjustable tension. I already have the CH trifecta so I don't know that 1st hand, but its what I read.
In your case you're doing so well I'm not sure I would switch at all if I were in your shoes. Maybe get a cheap stick to use in conjunction with your mouse/keyboard just for those stall fights where you get into trouble, switching back to the mouse when that situation is over.
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I've bought several MS Sidewinder Prec 2 USB sticks from Ebay.
Normally they cost between 20 - 30$ with shipping. May have to take some time, watch a few to catch a good low price. Take your time and make sure you know what your getting as there are a lot of older 3dpro's and non usb sticks for sale.
OR go to the nearest Walmart and pick up a Saitek ST-290 for about 20$.
Has 4 axis, hat, some buttons and would certainly do well enough to let you know if you want to make the switch or not.
Has walmart invaded europe?! :O
coem on, kazoo is a pro, he needs more than 4 buttons and a beer hat ;)
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I'm in the same boat Kaz. Been flying for a few years now, always mouse and keyboard. I haven't switched over to the pedals, but have considered it many times. I tried kicking over to a JS, but failed miserably. WAY too many years of heavy FPS play :)
The one thing I really would love though is a better throttle input. I've tried using my mouse wheel, but I can never get the effect I really want out of it. Plus, I use mouse wheel (pressing it down) for firing just primary weps, so I often throttle back in a hail of gunfire :eek: I think some sort of mount on the edge/side of the keyboard could be effective, but if the joystick has a good input for throttle that works too.
I know for a fact that inefficient throttle control is my largest weakness as a fighter, so if you guys have a suggestion I'm all ears. Anyway, good luck with the switch if your making it Kaz.
1: You should get peds. They took my flying to a new level, what with being able to use views and rudder at the same time now. :D
2: I don't have any problems with throttle control, maybe you should check your settings and change the sensitivity.
3: Also my mouse binds for the following buttons are: Left mouse button = fire, right mouse button = flaps lower, middle mouse button = wep and scroll wheel = throttle. I've got a razer copperhead with extra buttons, but the mouse has an awkward feel to it. I just use my 5 year old dell PS2 ball mouse to play.
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1: You should get peds. They took my flying to a new level, what with being able to use views and rudder at the same time now. :D
2: I don't have any problems with throttle control, maybe you should check your settings and change the sensitivity.
3: Also my mouse binds for the following buttons are: Left mouse button = fire, right mouse button = flaps lower, middle mouse button = wep and scroll wheel = throttle. I've got a razer copperhead with extra buttons, but the mouse has an awkward feel to it. I just use my 5 year old dell PS2 ball mouse to play.
3, haha ball mouse :D they had a special appeal to them before in fps games. you could flick em and the ball would roll inside even after you stopped the mouse, eventually you learned how to measure the flicks up and controlling the ball inside to do quick aggressive movements. so it's actually an understandable choice over an optical/laser.
I don't see how I could ever beat kazaa using a joystick vs his mouse precision in a duel. unless his mouserollers had some dirt on em.
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I was a mouse flyer for 10 years. I didn't use a "regular" mouse, I had always used a "thumb-ball" mouse--much different than a trac-ball mouse. It really wasn't all that bad. The funny part was my squaddies back then PM'ing guys I killed and telling them they just got killed by a guy flying with a mouse.
A former squaddie in the Pigstompers, Bronk sent me his old Sidewinder I sent him a box of beef jerky and some thouroughbred horse racing horseshoes. It took a good month to get used to a joystick, but felt natural after that.
It turned the door for me, and I always give a HUGE :salute to Bronk for that.
ROX
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I was a mouse flyer for 10 years. I didn't use a "regular" mouse, I had always used a "thumb-ball" mouse--much different than a trac-ball mouse. It really wasn't all that bad. The funny part was my squaddies back then PM'ing guys I killed and telling them they just got killed by a guy flying with a mouse.
A former squaddie in the Pigstompers, Bronk sent me his old Sidewinder I sent him a box of beef jerky and some thouroughbred horse racing horseshoes. It took a good month to get used to a joystick, but felt natural after that.
It turned the door for me, and I always give a HUGE :salute to Bronk for that.
ROX
Not sure if kazaa will ever be as precise in a straight da fight with a joystick. i think it will add to his overall game in the end.
most importantly though, it's just that much more fun playing AH with a joystick.
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Not sure if kazaa will ever be as precise in a straight da fight with a joystick. i think it will add to his overall game in the end.
most importantly though, it's just that much more fun playing AH with a joystick.
The fact that a Joystick is self centering means I can shoot so much better with it then I could with a mouse, if I don't have my mouse exactly centered then it will roll/pitch away from the shot. It's totally different from an FPS game where if you let go of the mouse the cursor stops.
Rumble yes I do love my ball mouse. I've learned the ball like Luke Skywalker learned the force. :rolleyes:
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Flying virtual helicopters is much easier and more precise with a mouse, for me anyhow. Actualy using two joysticks in a heli simulation is tough. I love choppers, shame there are few heli sims worth playing out there.
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Flying virtual helicopters is much easier and more precise with a mouse, for me anyhow. Actualy using two joysticks in a heli simulation is tough. I love choppers, shame there are few heli sims worth playing out there.
Black Shark. :D
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Oi Bat, stop fannying around with Helicopters, n get back in game will ya......sheesh :D :D
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Wurzel
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a great man sent me a computer, i'm off today to buy a power supply so i should be a target again soon
black shark, i will have to check it out
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a great man sent me a computer, i'm off today to buy a power supply so i should be a target again soon
black shark, i will have to check it out
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Black shark has just come out and it's suppose to be the most advanced sim made to date, even if you can only fly one helo :(
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Would look interesting if it wasn't for the Starforce.
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Not sure if kazaa will ever be as precise in a straight da fight with a joystick. i think it will add to his overall game in the end.
most importantly though, it's just that much more fun playing AH with a joystick.
we had 5 fights with him using a stick, He did just fine with it but as he was losing it was back in the cupboard quicker than you can say Jammie dodgers!!
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I just want to fly an MD500, infact lets take that one stage further and say i would like to own a real MD500.
I got PC sorted, mulligan is king
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Really my friend, it's fairly simple; It's a game first. Why spent gobs of money on toys, that in the end, can't promis to make you any better than you already are? The real reason for yokes, pedals, throttle quadrants and such, is to make the flight sim aspect of the game, more realistic. As for all the oppinions,... You already should know about them. But then again, some boys love lots of toys, and if you got the bread, buy 'em! Having a realistic set-up for flight simming is good for simming in other arenas, like Microsofts flight sim 10. I got a joystick and I suck at this game! But I like the "Self punishment" also. I'm a masickist I guess! <S>
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The fact that a Joystick is self centering means I can shoot so much better with it then I could with a mouse, if I don't have my mouse exactly centered then it will roll/pitch away from the shot. It's totally different from an FPS game where if you let go of the mouse the cursor stops.
Yes that's why isaid your overall game will improve. you might sacrifice some turn accuracy but you'll gain in other areas.
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I just wanted to fill everybody in on current events.
I brought a CH Combatstick and instantly fell in love with it, I’ve yet to have my controls stole in combat and my shot is almost godlike.
A few weeks later I brought the CH Pro Throttle and I’m using hats for views now.
All in all my flying is more precise and I'm sticking with my full CH setup.
<S> to everybody who shared their opinions with me.
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He's dead, Jim. :cry
Thats all right Kaz, I'll have to recruit a squeeker to fill the mouse/kb player void :D