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Mine went through my phone text messages last night and found out about the "other" woman. This is going to be a long week :frown:
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Man, you haven't learned by now to delete those things.
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I got home late, after she was asleep, and meant to do it when I got up. But she got up in the middle of the night and went through them.
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Uhhhhhohhhhhh, that's why the texts are deleted on the way home if there is any chance at all of her taking them the wrong way like when a girl at work sends them to me, then the phone goes on silent if I know I'll be separated from it.
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So the van by the river will soon be in it with a certain driver?
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Tell her you were following a message from God and you forgot to ask for her participation:
Nov 10, 2008 5:20 pm US/Central
Grapevine Pastor Encourages More Sex
By Marianne Martinez
GRAPEVINE (CBS 11 News) ― A North Texas pastor is challenging his congregation. The topic may make some people uncomfortable.
It's sex.
The pastor of Fellowship Church in Grapevine is encouraging all the married couples in the congregation to have sex every day for a week.
It's a popular idea with some Christians. Others have reservations.
"The title of my talk is 'Seven Days of Sex'," Ed Young told his congregation.
The pastor says it will help married couples communicate better, focus more attention on their marriage and might identify some problems.
"God invented sex," Young said, "so we should be the ones talking about it. We've allowed culture to hijack sex from us and we have not talked about it openly."
Young's wife, Lisa, says failing to talk about it can lead to marital problems.
"That is the pitfall of marriage," she said. "You give all of your energy to different entities and the last is saved for marriage."
Some Christians applaud the idea.
Liz Hendricks, who owns Holy Grounds Christian Store, puts it this way: "Its God's biggest gift to a married couple--to be able to have sex."
You can watch Ed Young's most recent sermon on the church's website. Just click here.www.fellowshipchurch.com/currentseries (http://www.fellowshipchurch.com/currentseries)
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Mine went through my phone text messages last night and found out about the "other" woman. This is going to be a long week :frown:
IS there another woman?
And if there is, is she hot?
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So the van by the river will soon be in it with a certain driver?
:rofl rgr that
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IS there another woman?
And if there is, is she hot?
yes and yes. She's 14 years younger then me and I'm lovin' every minute of it.
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OOPS!!!!............Does the "other" woman have a sister?............. :lol
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yes and yes. She's 14 years younger then me and I'm lovin' every minute of it.
How about going to a friend's party the other night with wife and sister in tow when one of your buddies shows up with his g/f who is also your next door neighbor and her little friend. We're all sitting there talking and joking, and I tell them that I realized I'm starting to get old (27, so not really), when the little friend who is fairly hot btw says, "Well I'm almost 20 and I'll make you feel like you're young again." :O Right there in front of the main ack gunner and all. Then she gets my number from my friend and commences to texting me later that night and into Sunday morning and once every few hours since then. Thank goodness I have practiced good weapons, err cell phone retention and have been able to keep the wife ninja from seeing it. Oh boy, this chick is crazy.
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Y'all can flame away when I'm done but:
If you're going to take for granted what you already have and screw around, then you deserve to face the consequences.
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Never, never, never "Admit" to anything....never, never, never,,,,never,,,,been there, done that. never,never,never....never happened....never,never,never, nothing ever happened....never.
zuii
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I haven't, my wife is nuts and has already threaten to burn my stuff if I screw around. She knows me watching the motorcycle, computer, and everything else go up in flames is enough to keep me on the straight and narrow. But like I told her, I can't help if these crazy girls text me, I'm not pushing the buttons for them.
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"Well I'm almost 20 and I'll make you feel like you're young again."
I wish someone would say that to me :cry :D
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Yeah, I believe everybody's mouth dropped all at once and everything just got real quiet. After she laughed, my wife finally laughed but I think she is suspicious of her now.
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yes and yes. She's 14 years younger then me and I'm lovin' every minute of it.
Delete history on your computer too!!! :O
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And delete your "recent" directory.
C:\Documents and Settings\owner\Recent
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I do wedding videos and I wish I had a nickle for every couple Ive seen get into problems because one of the parties discovered the others E-mails or text messages of the one side who was still keeping their part timers. A few marriages crashed even before I finished doing the edit and outputting the video. Usually its the guy but Ive had a few where the bride was either cheating actually or her fantasy jocker was discovered by her husband.
Ive told grooms, "things change after the ring is put on", but they dont believe me. A new bride will root and dig until they are sure their other 1/2 isn't cheating on them, in heart or the flesh. One guy in particular I warned a few videos ago, a guy I work with, I told him he'd better quit his little Internet romances cause his bride would find out. But he didn't believe me, and sure enough, a few weeks into the marriage she figured out how to get his E-mails and she freaked over them. Woman can be jealous enough just when your dating them but once you marry them? They become Pit Bull/hound dog cross breeds and not only will they root and sniff out your trail they will also bite off a big chunk of your arse once they discover your shenanigans.
Ive gone to a few "Domestics" calls where the wife is actually chucking the husbands stuff out the window after finding out about him. :lol Even things like cheating E-mails can get a female real mean and snarly. Best to just avoid it.
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Nobody's fault but your own. Been there, done that, never again.
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sorry - that does not qualify for "wife ack"
good luck with your mess bud, hope she doesn't take ya to the cleaners on her way out lol
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sorry - that does not qualify for "wife ack"
good luck with your mess bud, hope she doesn't take ya to the cleaners on her way out lol
^^^^ what he said x2
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See Rule #7
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Mine went through my phone text messages last night and found out about the "other" woman. This is going to be a long week :frown:
Sorry to hear that bro...but, you make your bed, you hafta sleep in it. Sounds like a really dumb way to lose half your stuff, in my honest opinion...Judges don't side on the behalf of cheating spouses. No matter how young or good in the sack, there's no sex worth half my stuff. You sound like another goof-off who can't control his own urges. Another dumbarse who will be crying "I didn't realize what I had with my wife..." in another three weeks or so. And, if you have children (I certainly hope not, for their own sake) thank your crotch for messing up their world. I have no respect for people like you, nor do you deserve any. If you don't want to be married, DON'T BE. That works just fine for some of us.
Don't get married, if you want to dip your spoon in other bowls.
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See Rule #7
Holy smokes bat :O He's free to post as he wishes, even if he is doing something irresponsible; I think he knows that it is too... I think :confused:
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Don't get married, if you want to dip your spoon in other bowls.
Lol, amen to that... Well put Moray. That's sig material ;)
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Now I agree that if you do find yourself wanting to spend your time with someone else, that you need to let it be known and move along. However, I was commenting on the fact that women will dig around and get mad over something pointless, which to them it isn't. I've had this conversation a lot with the old lady the past few months. I work with 2 girls and a bunch of guys and the nature of our job makes us all very close and spend a lot of time together. We joke and carry on and will send texts back and forth messing with each other, but the wife doesn't seem to understand that there is nothing there, that they are like sisters to me.
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yes and yes. She's 14 years younger then me and I'm lovin' every minute of it.
BUT.....is she worth losin your wife over?
if there really is another woman, then you brought this on yourself. spouses ALWAYS find out soner or later.
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I think cheating is one of the lowest things you can do to your spouse. You have made a promise and broke it. What ever she decides to do next to you, you deserve. Just remember you made the mistake and you should be more than prepared to take the consequences.
I have been married for 12 years and had offers on the table by some very hot young girls and never, not even once, took an offer, not even when my wife told me that she would be ok with it. I take the vows that I took very seriously and my suggestion to you is to kiss her backside allllllllllllooooooooooottttt tttt and if/when she forgives you, you never even remotely think about giving it up to another woman again.
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Agreed, most of the responses in this thread have been very immature. The title of this thread is immature. Immaturity is ok, though, but don't get married. ;)
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Posting about it in a public forum isn't that smart either. My g/f knows I play this game alot and if she really wanted, would be clever enough to use the search button.
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Mine went through my phone text messages last night and found out about the "other" woman. This is going to be a long week :frown:
For reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrb9FDfuGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrb9FDfuGo)
Most guys do stuff because they aren't satisfied in the relationship. How about we talk about where the problem areas are and if they can be addressed? Do you have a problem with your spouse or visversa?
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See Rule #7
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If you're going to take for granted what you already have and screw around, then you deserve to face the consequences.
+1
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For reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrb9FDfuGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrb9FDfuGo)
How about we talk about where the problem areas are and if they can be addressed? Do you have a problem with your spouse or visversa?
:lol
How about we don't.
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I cheated on my wife for one night about 2 years ago and that was it. Some people say its "fun" and "exciting" but I found myself disgusted with myself. Now I have a kid with my beautiful wife and I will never, never make that same mistake again! Good luck with your battles bud but just remember you dug your own grave! <S>
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I guess the HTC staff got the holiday off.
:O :O :O :O :O
ROX
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AH confessional much.
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Uptown, do me a favor:
Set up a video camera to catch the entire living room. Keep it out of sight. When the wife confronts you about it, admit to it, become indignant and tell her she needs to be more open-minded.
Post up the vid here when they release you from the hospital. :D
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If you're gonna have a fling with a young 20-something, always, ALWAYS invite your wife.
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I guess the HTC staff got the holiday off.
:O :O :O :O :O
ROX
They are all having sex with their WIVES like the good pastor requested :lol
Uptown, do me a favor:
Set up a video camera to catch the entire living room. Keep it out of sight. When the wife confronts you about it, admit to it, become indignant and tell her she needs to be more open-minded.
Post up the vid here when they release you from the hospital. :D
Could make it a pay per view to cover the medical bills. :D
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Hope everything works out for you Uptown. Tough spot to be in.
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Could make it a pay per view to cover the medical bills. :D
What medical bills, haven't you heard the news? ;)
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Oh yeah, you are so cool. :lol
Failure to honor your responsabilities, braking your promizes, and obvious lack of willpower is not a sign of a strong manhood. You aren't much of a human being. :frown:
You had options such as divorce, or at least ask your wife if you really made a mistake.
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Agreed. A number of other descriptive words come to mind.
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:salute fellas. yes i know i made a big mistake. My wife is a wonderful good woman and I;m very ashamed at what i did. But, I'm 44 now and life is just boring to me anymore. Jamie (the other one ) makes me feel young and alive again. I salute saxman and frenchy for speakin their minds because they're right!
I posted here because I know you asreholes will give it to me straight. And I respect that. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I need a guys point of view on this one. I work with about 50 women and can't really talk to them about it. :salute
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K, I think I found a way out of this for you Uptown, treat it as every other argument with your wife. She's completely right.
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Agreed, most of the responses in this thread have been very immature. The title of this thread is immature. Immaturity is ok, though, but don't get married. ;)
And please for the love of Pete, don't have kids.
K, I think I found a way out of this for you Uptown, treat it as every other argument with your wife. She's completely right.
You're young, but you understand it already.
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Check your six Uptown! I think this is going to be a long-ugly duel!
Dont worry mate, your not the first mid-age guy to feel that way
and feel like theres a fountain of youth in all of that. I messed up
in my second year of marriage when I was 22. Never again though,
(Have too much a guilty complex and told her the very same night.)
23 years now without a fling. But its a rough, emotional ride.
Hang on and hope it works out somehow for you.
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When it comes down to it... sign the first offer.. it will cost you a lot less
It will look to you like it is the end of the world and you got royally screwed, but, take it from me, after a 4 year battle back in the early 90's. I so many times wished i had signed the first offer. She got crazier as it went along, and every court appereance became a -which lawyer is now going to ask for a continuance to dip a little deeper in my pocket? game.
I wouldn't wish divorce on my worst enemy, especially when there are kids involved, but for everyones sanity, sign the first agreement.
Better yet, see if you can see a divorce conselor and save some dough for the kids, we saw one, and the doors opened wide when she said - Birds of a feather flock together- and the ex-wife turned bright red--wow what an ego crash that was...lol...
Just got her to become even more of a rabid dog beech though, but wow, what an education. Remember all those dopes who you knew or know - guess what--dope... welcome to reality.
I still chuckle on a daily basis over a lot of the insanity
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When it comes down to it... sign the first offer.. it will cost you a lot less
It will look to you like it is the end of the world and you got royally screwed, but, take it from me, after a 4 year battle back in the early 90's. I so many times wished i had signed the first offer. She got crazier as it went along, and every court appereance became a -which lawyer is now going to ask for a continuance to dip a little deeper in my pocket? game.
I wouldn't wish divorce on my worst enemy, especially when there are kids involved, but for everyones sanity, sign the first agreement.
Better yet, see if you can see a divorce conselor and save some dough for the kids, we saw one, and the doors opened wide when she said - Birds of a feather flock together- and the ex-wife turned bright red--wow what an ego crash that was...lol...
Just got her to become even more of a rabid dog beech though, but wow, what an education. Remember all those dopes who you knew or know - guess what--dope... welcome to reality.
I still chuckle on a daily basis over a lot of the insanity
Been There Done that ...... NEVER AGAIN
TOO MUCH TO LOSE. :cry
:salute to those who trade 3/4's of what they have to start over again :O
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Y'all can flame away when I'm done but:
If you're going to take for granted what you already have and screw around, then you deserve to face the consequences.
Not going to flame at all since I'm of the exact same opinion.
If you don't want to stay with your wife do the right thing and let her know and end the marriage before screwing around.
She may have just earned more than half your stuff if she leaves your sorry butt now anyways.
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:salute fellas. yes i know i made a big mistake. My wife is a wonderful good woman and I;m very ashamed at what i did. But, I'm 44 now and life is just boring to me anymore. Jamie (the other one ) makes me feel young and alive again. I salute saxman and frenchy for speakin their minds because they're right!
I posted here because I know you asreholes will give it to me straight. And I respect that. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I need a guys point of view on this one. I work with about 50 women and can't really talk to them about it. :salute
WELL, REALIZING THAT IS MOST OF THE BATTLE.
now, sit down with your wife, and talk with her. see if there's any way she'll forgive you. you might be lucky enough that she does. if she does, then do ANYTHING within reason that she wants.
if you and her talk it through, you both may come up with some way that SHE can make you feel young again.
also, a BIG thing to remember.......the "other" woman knows you're married, right? well one thing you can count on without a doubt if you ended up with her. she's cheating WITH you right now. she'll not hesitate to cheat ON you later.
fix things with your wife, and be thankful for what you have in her. good luck dude!
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I work with about 50 women and can't really talk to them about it. :salute
Actually Uptown, this might be your best option, get some input from the gender you have to deal with. But the most important conversation you have to have is with your wife. You've always seemed to be an upstanding guy to me, so time to stand up and do the right thing.
Jamie is just another woman and will soon ask for half too. If you give up half now, then half later, what does that leave you.
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Mine went through my phone text messages last night and found out about the "other" woman. This is going to be a long week :frown:
Thats Karma for you. Scumbag.
I hope she takes you to the cleaners in the divorce.
:lol
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Totally betraying the trust of another person? - Free
Breaking a promise of lifelong fidelity? - Also free
Doing both of these things to a woman and the ONLY person in the world that can take half of what you own? - Retarded
Stupidity..............It's everywhere you wanna be.
PS: Better cancel those credit cards :aok
Hell hath no fury......................... ...........
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Totally betraying the trust of another person? - Free
Breaking a promise of lifelong fidelity? - Also free
Doing both of these things to a woman and the ONLY person in the world that can take half of what you own? - Retarded
Stupidity..............It's everywhere you wanna be.
PS: Better cancel those credit cards :aok
Hell hath no fury......................... ...........
I think I will quote that.
:rofl
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Since it was a matter of free choice, Bend over and take it like a man. You will loose EVERYTHING. IMHO there is never a girlfriend so hot that I would risk all the pain and suffering that spawns from infidelity, as you will soon discover...
Get a Tattoo:
"I lost everything because I was too stupid to keep my zipper fastened"...
just to remind yourself when you contemplate something equally idiotic in the future!
You deserve everything that is coming your way I am sorry to say. I've been on both sides of this problem... It is ugly no matter if you are the cheater or the one cheated on. It's called cheating for a reason my friend...
There is nothing that will make a woman seek revenge like being cheated on. Since she has proof, you are toast when it comes to division of property!
If you think you have angst and anguish now... You are just now accelerating down the "on-ramp" of the "misery expressway".
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I think I will quote that.
:rofl
Been on both sides (before marriage)
Actually caught one g/f with a guy I knew. It was actually quite comical.
Caught them in the act at her place, threw a $20 on the bed and told them to split it.
$10 for him to buy himself something better, and $10 for her for the penicillin pills she needs.
"What penicillin?" she said "I don't need penicillin"
I look at him, then at her again and said "You will soon enough" :devil
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Been on both sides (before marriage)
Actually caught one g/f with a guy I knew. It was actually quite comical.
Caught them in the act at her place, threw a $20 on the bed and told them to split it.
$10 for him to buy himself something better, and $10 for her for the penicillin pills she needs.
"What penicillin?" she said "I don't need penicillin"
I look at him, then at her again and said "You will soon enough" :devil
it great when someone or something else provides the revenge, isn't it.
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WOW Uptown you FAIL big time. Why you feel the need to post something so personal and utterly stupid is beyond belief.(well maybe not). :rolleyes:
To brag about cheating on your wife on these boards is pretty disrespectful towards your wife and family. I hope there's no kids involved.
Instead of posting this garbage why don't you be a man and go get some help and take care of your family. WTG you tool.
good luck. :aok
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Uptown, you dick :lol
I can tell you from experience that the little bit of joy is not even going to come close to the hurt your old lady will put down onto you.
If you're gonna have a fling with a young 20-something, always, ALWAYS invite your wife.
Best advice I've seen in this thread.
Having a twenty something wife helps a lot too. :aok
pdm, I really don't think he was bragging about it.
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lol bring your wife :rofl
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Hell yeah.
Trust me it's MUCH more fun.
Most guys just don't have the balls to ask so they go and do it anyway.
It's supposed to be a partnership, why the hell would you marry someone who you couldn't share everything with?
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See rule #8
Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously.
;) :D :D
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:rofl
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Uptown kinda seems like a slug.
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A toast for Uptown:
"To wives and sweethearts...may they never meet"
:lol
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Today's the day--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k)
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Today's the day--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Rodney Carrington is flat out the man.
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Today's the day--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k)
OMFG :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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:salute fellas. yes i know i made a big mistake. My wife is a wonderful good woman and I;m very ashamed at what i did. But, I'm 44 now and life is just boring to me anymore. Jamie (the other one ) makes me feel young and alive again. I salute saxman and frenchy for speakin their minds because they're right!
I posted here because I know you asreholes will give it to me straight. And I respect that. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I need a guys point of view on this one. I work with about 50 women and can't really talk to them about it. :salute
Uptown...
The proper way to deal with this kind of situation (speaking with perfect 20/20 hindsight) is to separate BEFORE "ordering another item from the menu". Failing that, it is never a good idea to give a "side girl" a telephone number that your WIFE has access to. So to recap:
Don't mess around while still attached. and if you are unable/unwilling to do the first don't give your home telephone number to the girl you're messing around with.
Some advice... If you still love your wife, try to work things out with her. You might find out that wanting is not as rewarding in the long term as is having. Communicate with her about your feelings (tough to do sometimes, but at least you will both know what the other is thinking and feeling). Obviously your current state of boredom is a recent development... Why? What is different from when you first met the woman you are now married to? Remember those feelings and try to work together to recapture them. A good relationship is a joint effort and you will reap the rewards of one proportionate to the amount of effort that you give to making it work.
Good luck and I hope things work out for you.
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Ty. I had a long talk with my wife last night and told her the whole story and how I feel about some things. And I believe we'll get through this. I ended it with the other the day before.
Some may think that this board isn't the place for a topic like this, but I knew I could get the arse chewing I know I deserve out of most of you. Some of the posts really hit home and cut deep. I do feel like a slug, tool and whatever else was said. But that's what I needed to hear from you guys. Believe it or not, but you all have helped me tremendously.
I've made alot of mistakes in my life and I'll make more before my days are through......I'm only human. Thanks again :salute
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Ty. I had a long talk with my wife last night and told her the whole story and how I feel about some things. And I believe we'll get through this. I ended it with the other the day before.
Some may think that this board isn't the place for a topic like this, but I knew I could get the arse chewing I know I deserve out of most of you. Some of the posts really hit home and cut deep. I do feel like a slug, tool and whatever else was said. But that's what I needed to hear from you guys. Believe it or not, but you all have helped me tremendously.
I've made alot of mistakes in my life and I'll make more before my days are through......I'm only human. Thanks again :salute
Best Wishes Uptown...
I hope you are both able to get past this.
Unfortunately I have been "there" myself and sympathize with what you're going through.
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Ty. I had a long talk with my wife last night and told her the whole story and how I feel about some things. And I believe we'll get through this. I ended it with the other the day before.
Some may think that this board isn't the place for a topic like this, but I knew I could get the arse chewing I know I deserve out of most of you. Some of the posts really hit home and cut deep. I do feel like a slug, tool and whatever else was said. But that's what I needed to hear from you guys. Believe it or not, but you all have helped me tremendously.
I've made alot of mistakes in my life and I'll make more before my days are through......I'm only human. Thanks again :salute
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I just took a peek at that. Looks good. Thank-you :salute
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Ty. I had a long talk with my wife last night and told her the whole story and how I feel about some things. And I believe we'll get through this.
:pray for ya. WTG
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:salute uptown.
Good on ya for talking to the Mrs. I hope you can get through it.
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Ty. I had a long talk with my wife last night and told her the whole story and how I feel about some things. And I believe we'll get through this. I ended it with the other the day before.
Some may think that this board isn't the place for a topic like this, but I knew I could get the arse chewing I know I deserve out of most of you. Some of the posts really hit home and cut deep. I do feel like a slug, tool and whatever else was said. But that's what I needed to hear from you guys. Believe it or not, but you all have helped me tremendously.
I've made alot of mistakes in my life and I'll make more before my days are through......I'm only human. Thanks again :salute
Good choice Uptown:aok... Best of luck to ya!
:salute
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:salute Uptown finally you made a move in the right direction. Remember your wife used to "be the best of best in the bed" or you wouldn't have married her (it is still there find it). You will need to rebuild the trust that you used to have with your wife and the best way that I have found is let her look at everything that she wants to (emails texts ect.). Invasion of privacy, yes, but does wonders to rebuild trust. Be Open and honest. You have a uphill battle but keeping what you have (know) is more often better, than jumping in with the unknown fun little thing (usually only short term).
:salute :aok
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:salute
You are not the only one man. Temptation is everywhere, for u it's working with 50 women. For me it's showing up in a pilot uniform with bright bleu eyes and a French accent. All those thin 25 year old cutie cutie big breasted gold diggers that guard the front desk go really the extra mile to get u in trouble. So far I always resisted :pray by telling me that a "quick fun" would not bring anything to me in the long therm that I don't already have. Plus I really don't want to have to face the disapointment of the 14 year old daughter of my chick that came to call me "dad".
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Just for you uptown :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k&feature=related
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Just for you uptown :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNzF9i8e4k&feature=related
:lol He should of talked to you guys 1st. Might of saved his twins from taking such a beating. Rodney cracks me up. :lol
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Awwww....
This whole thread played out with a racy beginning, an adventurous middle and all tied up in a neat package in the end.... If only it were all true.
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Awwww....
This whole thread played out with a racy beginning, an adventurous middle and all tied up in a neat package in the end.... If only it were all true.
word.
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The same thing happened to me just over a year ago, But the roles were reversed, I was devested when I found out what she was up to.
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The same thing happened to me just over a year ago, But the roles were reversed, I was devested when I found out what she was up to.
Ouch.