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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wyld45 on November 16, 2008, 03:32:01 AM
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This was just a passing thought and maybe there is nothing to it really. Just happen
to wonder though, with the free-form ability to just bounce around and not feel any
certain loyalties to any country or real "sides" where you go up against "any" plane
or GV in the hangar, could this be a cause for the boredom-bug? If you flew for
Germany in German planes against the allies,or if we had actual countries we fought
for with certain allies, would it make more sense and possibly keep more of an interest?
For myself,I think I would feel more excitement towards country fights and goals.
Just a thought though. :rolleyes:
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It's as much frustration as it is boredom, last night I had a few good fights the evening was finished up with some dweeb that Ho'ed on every pass and then sends a Salute B4 landing 4 Ho's thinking what a stud he is.
It's boring to go up sorty after sorty and have to search for someone willing to fight a fight for the sake of the fight. The best fight I had last night I lost to A8Nisky when we were both low and slow me in a 51D and he in a Typhy. The fun is the fight for me where as most of the people you come accross in the MA just want a kill by any means. A proxy to these people is as good as a vulch or a HO, anything to land there couple of kills, name in lights and pats on the back from their squadies who are just as lame as they are.
The current MA mentality to get kills by any means takes no skill and offers nothing in the way of a challenge to either themselves or anyone flying against them. country or side switching has nothing to do with it. Lame game play has everything to do with it.
The shame of it is that most of these people have been taught poor fighting by the vets in there squads who only want to gain better score and promote the kill at all cost mentality as if it had actual value. This just leads to more players over time fighting with little skill and no honor.
Bordom and frustration end with good sticks leaving in frustration which dilutes the talent pool further making the situation worse.
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It's boring to go up sorty after sorty and have to search for someone willing to fight a fight for the sake of the fight. The best fight I had last night I lost to A8Nisky when we were both low and slow me in a 51D and he in a Typhy. The fun is the fight for me where as most of the people you come accross in the MA just want a kill by any means. A proxy to these people is as good as a vulch or a HO, anything to land there couple of kills, name in lights and pats on the back from their squadies who are just as lame as they are.
The current MA mentality to get kills by any means takes no skill and offers nothing in the way of a challenge to either themselves or anyone flying against them. country or side switching has nothing to do with it. Lame game play has everything to do with it.
Not quite, I will land proxies when I get them (as I'll land any plane that's still flyable), however I will announce that they're proxies (e.g. I had 12 proxies in an F4U a few days ago from people towering out in PT boats, but before I landed I said on the country channel that they were proxies).
Also, my tactics vary depending on many things. I am FAR from a 'veteran' of this game, but if I am in a fighter and have other options, I'll probably try and avoid HOs. However, if I'm in a B-25H, I am happy to do HOs, largely because:
a) I often kill the other person
b) they really shouldn't be HOing a bomber with 8x nose mounted 50 cals
c) it may be the only shot I get.
Somewhat in contrast to this, if I see a player who appears to be in a 1-on-1, I will almost 100% of the time ask their permission before engaging, and under certain circumstances I will break off from fights/not kill an enemy who's plane is crippled and who is RTB.
Also, if I get bored I just go and do something else usually.
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Yossarian
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Dang Yanksfan! How depressing can you get? There's 2 sides to every coin,... I agree with you about the vulching thing, when "shimoes" vulche for the hell of it. But on thr other hand, it's kinda pointless to try to up on a runway thats got 20 nme planes over it. No one likes getting blasted on the runway, but if the objective is taking the base, then keeping the nme pinned down is part of the objective. I guess it boils down to a simple fact,... If you dont wanna get killed, dont up on a covered runway. Whether its a squad taking the base away from you, or just a couple of glory hounds trying to get off. Popping out on the runway is an invite to getting hosed! In the end, the best of fights, are the ones that begin with a thought out plan, not a knee jerk reaction to seeing the nme over your base.
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"If you flew forGermany in German planes against the allies,or if we had actual countries we fought for with certain allies,"
try the AVA. Axis vs Allies.
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Dang Yanksfan! How depressing can you get? There's 2 sides to every coin,... I agree with you about the vulching thing, when "shimoes" vulche for the hell of it. But on thr other hand, it's kinda pointless to try to up on a runway thats got 20 nme planes over it. No one likes getting blasted on the runway, but if the objective is taking the base, then keeping the nme pinned down is part of the objective. I guess it boils down to a simple fact,... If you dont wanna get killed, dont up on a covered runway. Whether its a squad taking the base away from you, or just a couple of glory hounds trying to get off. Popping out on the runway is an invite to getting hosed! In the end, the best of fights, are the ones that begin with a thought out plan, not a knee jerk reaction to seeing the nme over your base.
Why you bring up avoiding dweebs vulching i don't know.
my point is not to stay alive, my point is fighting a fight, not being a smacked azzzz just trying to rack up cheap kills by anymeans to make it look like your fighting.
live or die the fun is "THE FIGHT"!
As far as landing kills, I don't usually bother, I fly till I'm out of fuel, ammo or airplane, proxy's if i have them I just auger, if I'm far from the base I auger, makes no difference to me, if your vulching a field, I'll be the guy coming down on your head not the fool on the runway.
The problem here is finding people who want to fight rather then take undefended fields or blow up buildings, take a HO pass and run like heck, make someone chase them across a sector and kill them in their own ack. Toolshedding is fine, taking bases can cause some real good fights, but when you plan out a mission to avoid enemy contact so you can sneak an undefended field you may as well do that offline, but then again if they were offline they couldn't have the 60 plane horde along.
Some, not all but too many guys that have been playing a while and refer to themselves as vets, teach the worst kind of game play to noobs who don't know any better who inturn teach what they have learned to others, bad cycle that has brought game play to its knees.
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any game becomes boring if you play it excessively.
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What is boring is sortie after sortie fighting the same planes. I am soooooo bored of fighting spit16's ....La7's ....P51's ....Fw190d's sortie after sortie. Meanwhile I'm flying earlier rides which causes me to get gang banged by La7's ...Spit16's....P51's....fw190d's ...every sortie. Last night I flew a 109g2.....La5 ...Ki-84 ....p40e and a p39q. On the p39 run I had two spit 16's ...two la7's and one P51d gang me .....boring!!
The player's in this game are what is boring. Why players don't get tired flying the latest and best planes every mission is beyond me. I can understand flying these birds sometimes ....but sortie after sortie?
100% of this game's problems are the people who play it. For me every mission is the same, because I fight the same enemy planes every run. Not only do the players fly nothing but the best....then they gang me again...and again. To be frank this crap is slowly pushing me out the door.
The game provides us with a wonderful list of planes to fly ...there is little point in HTC developing any new planes because nobody fly's them. For all the Public support the p39 got ...do you ever see one? ...or better yet do you fly any?? ....I didn't even vote for the damn thing, yet I fly it ( I was one of the lowly 6% that voted for something Japanese ...don't get me started of that)
After carefully thinking over last nights sorties I only saw 3 planes the whole night that were not Spit16's ....La7's ....P51's and Fw190d's. I saw a zeke5...a Hurri-c and a La5. Since the Hurri-c and the zeke5 are super turners they are pretty ordinary as well. Only the la5 pilot brought some "color" to game. To him I say horrah!! ...and thanks to him for having some "stones" in his sack, I had more fun!!
I'm very discouraged ...and bored with all this ...sadly
Helm ...out
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Well at a guess, I'd say the vast majority of players in this game are not bored with it at all. In fact, seeing as most of the people who have posted in this thread are quite/very good at this game, I would expect to find that most people this game to be very difficult to get kills in. As a result of this, the challenge this game presents to them would make it exciting.
It follows that these sorts of people (i.e. most of the players of this game) would lean towards flying planes which would tend to give them an advantage over their enemy (e.g. the Spitty XVI, P-51D, La-7).
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need more updates...
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The arena concept doesn't have a lot of depth to it. Organized scenarios like FSO are much more challenging and much more fun. The extra elements of assigned objectives and strategic planning make the possibilities endless.
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Sometimes you just need to break the monotony. Take your squaddies to the DA and get some practice, or better yet divide your squad on different countries find a couple opposing Vbases where there is no fight and have a jeep battle. Lolz and good spirits will ensue.
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Many of the BoPs have been feeling this "Bored Bug" lately, so starting this week, every Thursday we are going to have a Scrimmage Night where we will take the squad to the DA for awhile for some squaddie vs. squaddie fights, then we are going to head over to the MW, EW and/or AvA arenas, where we will divide up amongst the countries (something the BoPs never have done). So if you play in these arenas, you can expect 30 or so more players in those arenas Thursday night. That's our idea for breaking the LW monotony we've been feeling. Also, we want to set up some BoP vs. ? squad scrimmages if anyone is interested. If so, PM me and we'll set something up.
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You know, I'd really like to drop a piano on all the "The game is now so easy for me I'm bored" posters. Or maybe a harpsichord...yeah, its between those two right now. Yes sir, that whole mentality is just way too much like the "poor little rich kid" thing for me.
Well, it ain't so darn easy for yours truly that I'm bored, and I've been spending a totally unjustifiable amount of time playing and studying for years now.
It is a massively multiplayer combat flight sim with a Late-War area. And people are complaining about facing, what, large groups of people in Late War planes. :huh
Fly a faster plane/get some alt to FORCE people to engage. Try to engage some of the more supremely maneuverable aircraft and over-aggressively flown aircraft like the Spit in your 109E or whatever, rather than complaining when some noob Pony driver makes you eat dust after you get that thing on his six in a turn and a half. Get a wingman to help you survive the horde, or learn how to cut stragglers out of the horde. Do any damn thing but make another self-aggrandizing post about how clubbing the seals in the MA is now so easy for you that you are bored and quitting to go live on a beach and weave grass-hats all day.
Oh, and btw, if we want people to fly something besides the most popular/effective rides, then why are we not all behind some changes to the scoring system that will actually give more tangible rewards to flying the more difficult crates? Of course, you will have to come up with some kind of "ranking" system for the plane's ease-of-use as a fighter that is more rational than the current ENY numbers.
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my point is not to stay alive, my point is fighting a fight, not being a smacked azzzz just trying to rack up cheap kills by anymeans to make it look like your fighting.
live or die the fun is "THE FIGHT"!
Most certainly agree with the above..however, I've been reading (wasting time) scads of postings on vein of "aww, gee, I'm so dissatisfied with the current game play", etc, etc, . Y'all need to shut yer "claptrap" and have a little patience. It won't be long before all (well maybe some) of your concerns will be answered via a HTH addition to the AH code, or as that coding Guru puts it "coad" :)
Oh, one other thing for those of y'all that don't like the way I express my views...give it your best shot.."a Rhino's skin ain't got nuttin on me."
..sigh..why do I bother.. :rolleyes:
dentin has left the building
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I completely agree with you... I played the battle of Brit yesterday and I will tell U it was the most fun I have had in this game..The idea that u have one life for the three hour event was cool.. If you did get shot down and bailed out and lived you could call in a rescue on country channel..The guys who got killed stayed to rescue folks via pt boat goon, or jeep..When axis blew up a hanger that was that ,no 15 minute magical spawn. Plus the bases were limited to the amount of aircraft it could support..I bet if HTC made the Axis and ally arena something like that it would be full of the folks wanting a little more of a realistic setting.. I would never leave there..
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You know, I'd really like to drop a piano on all the "The game is now so easy for me I'm bored" posters. Or maybe a harpsichord...yeah, its between those two right now. Yes sir, that whole mentality is just way too much like the "poor little rich kid" thing for me.
Well, it ain't so darn easy for yours truly that I'm bored, and I've been spending a totally unjustifiable amount of time playing and studying for years now.
It is a massively multiplayer combat flight sim with a Late-War area. And people are complaining about facing, what, large groups of people in Late War planes. :huh
Fly a faster plane/get some alt to FORCE people to engage. Try to engage some of the more supremely maneuverable aircraft and over-aggressively flown aircraft like the Spit in your 109E or whatever, rather than complaining when some noob Pony driver makes you eat dust after you get that thing on his six in a turn and a half. Get a wingman to help you survive the horde, or learn how to cut stragglers out of the horde. Do any damn thing but make another self-aggrandizing post about how clubbing the seals in the MA is now so easy for you that you are bored and quitting to go live on a beach and weave grass-hats all day.
Oh, and btw, if we want people to fly something besides the most popular/effective rides, then why are we not all behind some changes to the scoring system that will actually give more tangible rewards to flying the more difficult crates? Of course, you will have to come up with some kind of "ranking" system for the plane's ease-of-use as a fighter that is more rational than the current ENY number
I'm not sure if your comment is directed at me? ....all I saying is we have like 80 planes in the set ...and every mission I am forced to fight the same 4 plane ....over and over and over and over again .....In basically the same tactical situation ....if that's not dull ...i don't know what is ...
.....i guess your advice is: ...fly the same "super" planes as everyone else ....that is not a good plan because then that makes me part of the problem
as far as wingman are concerned I have been flying so long that, my 3rd wingman has now retired ...and i currently don't have one
and yes I have flown ...and am well aware of the concept of flying super planes to survive .....I have been in this game 100+ months
Frankly I'm not sure why i even bother posting on this board ...nobody ever bothers to even understand what you try to say ...what a waste of time
Helm ...out
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One, people will *inevetiably* fly the rides that more or less have the most natural advantages hardwired into the flight model. Complaining about it is like complaining because Coke has a bigger share of the market than Big Red or something. (This coming from a Big Red man.)
Now, do you dislike seeing so many Spits, N1Ks, Las, and P-51s because they are so easy for you to kill that you are bored? If that is the case, do you think you would be less bored if the same opposition was flying 110Cs?
Or do you dislike seeing so many of them because it is difficult to survive against large numbers of them in a mid-war ride? If so, I must ask, isn't extra challenge be the point of flying a lesser ride?
Furthermore, if people dislike seeing the same rides over and over, why is there so much resistance to assigning a light perk price to the more hyper-modeled rides. Or changing the scoring system? Personally, I think if two guys have the similiar k/d, k/s, k/t, and hit%, only one has it in a Spit16, and the other has it in a Fw-190A5, the guy flying the more difficult ride ought to be "scored" quite abit higher.
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One, people will *inevetiably* fly the rides that more or less have the most natural advantages hardwired into the flight model. Complaining about it is like complaining because Coke has a bigger share of the market than Big Red or something. (This coming from a Big Red man.)
Now, do you dislike seeing so many Spits, N1Ks, Las, and P-51s because they are so easy for you to kill that you are bored? If that is the case, do you think you would be less bored if the same opposition was flying 110Cs?
Or do you dislike seeing so many of them because it is difficult to survive against large numbers of them in a mid-war ride? If so, I must ask, isn't extra challenge be the point of flying a lesser ride?
Furthermore, if people dislike seeing the same rides over and over, why is there so much resistance to assigning a light perk price to the more hyper-modeled rides. Or changing the scoring system? Personally, I think if two guys have the similiar k/d, k/s, k/t, and hit%, only one has it in a Spit16, and the other has it in a Fw-190A5, the guy flying the more difficult ride ought to be "scored" quite abit higher.
I get tired of seeing the same thing just because it's the same thing. On the other hand, I don't resist a light perk price for the most popular aircraft. In fact, a floating-cost system that was driven by popularity would be perfect for this game, I think. But you're absolutely right that complaining about the lack of aircraft diversity and at the same time resisting greater use of the perk system is contradictory, and therefore irrational. Now, the real question: why do you expect people to be rational? :devil
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I get tired of seeing the same thing just because it's the same thing. On the other hand, I don't resist a light perk price for the most popular aircraft. In fact, a floating-cost system that was driven by popularity would be perfect for this game, I think. But you're absolutely right that complaining about the lack of aircraft diversity and at the same time resisting greater use of the perk system is contradictory, and therefore irrational. Now, the real question: why do you expect people to be rational? :devil
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I guess the use of the word "bored" is what gets my goat.
I will be "bored" of the waves Spits/N1ks/La7s/P51s (as opposed to "frustrated because I have trouble fighting against them") when I reach the point that they are falling like ripe wheat before the scythe of my 190 or Jug. Until I reach that point, I will retain enough honesty to admit my frustrations are because something like a Spixteen is %@$@%@#$ difficult to fight even one to one. Not because they are actually "boring" me.
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"If you flew forGermany in German planes against the allies,or if we had actual countries we fought for with certain allies,"
try the AVA. Axis vs Allies.
Yes,I know we have that, but its not what AHII was built on.
Thought had occured also that maybe its time for another
chess piece and simpler maps; Kings & Knights, Bishops &
(Pawns?) each country has, 1 airfield,1 city,1 gv base, 1
city, 1 harbor, 1 refinery,etc. with each having to be taken
separatley. Countries rewarded points as well as the player.
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One, people will *inevetiably* fly the rides that more or less have the most natural advantages hardwired into the flight model. Complaining about it is like complaining because Coke has a bigger share of the market than Big Red or something. (This coming from a Big Red man.)
Now, do you dislike seeing so many Spits, N1Ks, Las, and P-51s because they are so easy for you to kill that you are bored? If that is the case, do you think you would be less bored if the same opposition was flying 110Cs?
Or do you dislike seeing so many of them because it is difficult to survive against large numbers of them in a mid-war ride? If so, I must ask, isn't extra challenge be the point of flying a lesser ride?
Furthermore, if people dislike seeing the same rides over and over, why is there so much resistance to assigning a light perk price to the more hyper-modeled rides. Or changing the scoring system? Personally, I think if two guys have the similiar k/d, k/s, k/t, and hit%, only one has it in a Spit16, and the other has it in a Fw-190A5, the guy flying the more difficult ride ought to be "scored" quite abit higher.
Complaining? ...the topic is what are you bored with? ....geez
Also nowhere in my posts have I said anything about me being talented or that I kill the 4 MA planes easily . I am bored fighting them because every fight is the same. I get tired of looking out my canopy at a spit 16...La7 ...P51 ...fw190d 24/7 365. Having to use the same tactics mission after mission. Every sortie is the same.
Do you actually fly the game? ....because your comment about seeing niki's all the time is way off the mark. Maybe 5 years ago you saw allot of niki's ...I did not see a single niki all last night.
Helm ...out
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It's as much frustration as it is boredom, last night I had a few good fights the evening was finished up with some dweeb that Ho'ed on every pass and then sends a Salute B4 landing 4 Ho's thinking what a stud he is.
It's boring to go up sorty after sorty and have to search for someone willing to fight a fight for the sake of the fight. The best fight I had last night I lost to A8Nisky when we were both low and slow me in a 51D and he in a Typhy. The fun is the fight for me where as most of the people you come accross in the MA just want a kill by any means. A proxy to these people is as good as a vulch or a HO, anything to land there couple of kills, name in lights and pats on the back from their squadies who are just as lame as they are.
The current MA mentality to get kills by any means takes no skill and offers nothing in the way of a challenge to either themselves or anyone flying against them. country or side switching has nothing to do with it. Lame game play has everything to do with it.
The shame of it is that most of these people have been taught poor fighting by the vets in there squads who only want to gain better score and promote the kill at all cost mentality as if it had actual value. This just leads to more players over time fighting with little skill and no honor.
Bordom and frustration end with good sticks leaving in frustration which dilutes the talent pool further making the situation worse.
Yeah, that pretty much about sums it up.... I've been on here for almost two years now... Even two years ago when I first started, things were much more tolerable.. Now, it's as you say...
There are those here who pride themselves on base captures and rallying others who do the same.. That's all good.. I've even been involved in quite a few (hoping to find a decent fight).. But I honestly think that this sort of mentality as well as the necessity to get that kill in anyway possible, and the over-abundance of trash talking by individuals with hyper-inflated egos on 200 has defined this game for the time being..
In the past few weeks, I've seen several ol' sticks hang it up.. Some probably for good.. Others maybe for a few months.. Those ol' timers are gonna be a rare breed soon.. Wish there were more of you guys around to sort of police the "skies" and inform some of these kids/adults/other players on etiquette (vox/text/in the "air"/etc).
The whole system with seeing one's name in lights is also something that lends to the deterioration of the "fun" factor and sadly adds more to the "gotta make everyone think I'm good" factor...
Now I'm thinking of absolutely insane things to make this game more interesting.. If only I could break just a few people away from needing kills for a few hours....
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The ugly truth...
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Closer match...
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On thing that will cure the boredom would be killing more than dying.
The game really is much more enjoyable when you are able to take off, get a bunch of kills, and then land them.
A single kill every 5 sorties would get "boring" after awhile, but don't blame the setup.
The setup is just fine as it is.
It is you that needs "fixed".
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What is boring is sortie after sortie fighting the same planes. I am soooooo bored of fighting spit16's ....La7's ....P51's ....Fw190d's sortie after sortie. Meanwhile I'm flying earlier rides which causes me to get gang banged by La7's ...Spit16's....P51's....fw190d's ...every sortie. Last night I flew a 109g2.....La5 ...Ki-84 ....p40e and a p39q. On the p39 run I had two spit 16's ...two la7's and one P51d gang me .....boring!!
The player's in this game are what is boring. Why players don't get tired flying the latest and best planes every mission is beyond me. I can understand flying these birds sometimes ....but sortie after sortie?
100% of this game's problems are the people who play it. For me every mission is the same, because I fight the same enemy planes every run. Not only do the players fly nothing but the best....then they gang me again...and again. To be frank this crap is slowly pushing me out the door.
The game provides us with a wonderful list of planes to fly ...there is little point in HTC developing any new planes because nobody fly's them. For all the Public support the p39 got ...do you ever see one? ...or better yet do you fly any?? ....I didn't even vote for the damn thing, yet I fly it ( I was one of the lowly 6% that voted for something Japanese ...don't get me started of that)
After carefully thinking over last nights sorties I only saw 3 planes the whole night that were not Spit16's ....La7's ....P51's and Fw190d's. I saw a zeke5...a Hurri-c and a La5. Since the Hurri-c and the zeke5 are super turners they are pretty ordinary as well. Only the la5 pilot brought some "color" to game. To him I say horrah!! ...and thanks to him for having some "stones" in his sack, I had more fun!!
I'm very discouraged ...and bored with all this ...sadly
Helm ...out
i moved from the spit/hurri/zeke easy rides a couple months ago. started flying the hellkitty. lately i've been wanting to gain some experience in the p38..mostly thanks to shuffler and soulss kicking my but in them.
crims worked with me a little the other night, and i learned a coupel things. eny went up, and i couldn't get a "J", so i took a "G". holy crap! can that thing turn! not like a zeke, but amazingly nimble for its size.
you guys'll see me dying in the 38 for awhile now, as i learn to ffly it right.
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On thing that will cure the boredom would be killing more than dying.
The game really is much more enjoyable when you are able to take off, get a bunch of kills, and then land them.
A single kill every 5 sorties would get "boring" after awhile, but don't blame the setup.
The setup is just fine as it is.
It is you that needs "fixed".
I guess if I flew N1K trainers as much as you did, I wouldn't really have to do much work to get those kills either and could boast
about landing kills and what not.... But, I don't like myself THAT much to really care.... :P
Well Lute, according to what you're saying, you've got the right idea, while the ones who have clearly voiced how THEY play
and what THEY enjoy about the game is a flawed ideology.. Wow... Ok man, if you say so....
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Well at a guess, I'd say the vast majority of players in this game are not bored with it at all. In fact, seeing as most of the people who have posted in this thread are quite/very good at this game, I would expect to find that most people this game to be very difficult to get kills in. As a result of this, the challenge this game presents to them would make it exciting.
It follows that these sorts of people (i.e. most of the players of this game) would lean towards flying planes which would tend to give them an advantage over their enemy (e.g. the Spitty XVI, P-51D, La-7).
Those folks fail themselves terribly. To fly a plane that has the most advantages means you will never improve. One has to test themselves often to improve.
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stuff gets boring really fats in the early arena
i can rarely find a good fight in midwar
and in late war i get ganged banged,hoed, people steal my kills
i been hanging out in the dueling arena but whenever i get iin a good fight a dweeb in a temp comes out of no where and cherry picks me
The places where i have had fun are the few good battles in MW and the DA when the furball heats up
I miss it when the game wasn't so intense people will send you nasty pms about kill thier tank saying stuff like " THERE WAS NO ONE AROUND ME YOU CHEATED!!! UR SUCH A DWEEBY oscarHOLE!!!!!"
-NEARY out........ :(
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What is boring is sortie after sortie fighting the same planes. I am soooooo bored of fighting spit16's ....La7's ....P51's ....Fw190d's sortie after sortie. Meanwhile I'm flying earlier rides which causes me to get gang banged by La7's ...Spit16's....P51's....fw190d's ...every sortie. Last night I flew a 109g2.....La5 ...Ki-84 ....p40e and a p39q. On the p39 run I had two spit 16's ...two la7's and one P51d gang me .....boring!!
The player's in this game are what is boring. Why players don't get tired flying the latest and best planes every mission is beyond me. I can understand flying these birds sometimes ....but sortie after sortie?
100% of this game's problems are the people who play it. For me every mission is the same, because I fight the same enemy planes every run. Not only do the players fly nothing but the best....then they gang me again...and again. To be frank this crap is slowly pushing me out the door.
The game provides us with a wonderful list of planes to fly ...there is little point in HTC developing any new planes because nobody fly's them. For all the Public support the p39 got ...do you ever see one? ...or better yet do you fly any?? ....I didn't even vote for the damn thing, yet I fly it ( I was one of the lowly 6% that voted for something Japanese ...don't get me started of that)
After carefully thinking over last nights sorties I only saw 3 planes the whole night that were not Spit16's ....La7's ....P51's and Fw190d's. I saw a zeke5...a Hurri-c and a La5. Since the Hurri-c and the zeke5 are super turners they are pretty ordinary as well. Only the la5 pilot brought some "color" to game. To him I say horrah!! ...and thanks to him for having some "stones" in his sack, I had more fun!!
I'm very discouraged ...and bored with all this ...sadly
Helm ...out
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,246499.0.html
Would fix the players and therefore the problem.
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Boilerdown: I'll repeat my earlier praise for your idea, above, it really is a great one. The name in lights factor drives people to the EXTREME in this game. Those 3 seconds (text buffer speed dependent) give them such joy. Unfortunately it makes the game a lot lamer for the rest of us, which brings me to my second point...
Helm: You're absolutely right about plane selection. The same planes, all the time. Do you know how rarely I even see a Spit8 or Spit9 anymore??? EVERY spit is a 16. EVERY 190 is a D9. We have all these planes, and people continually fly the fastest models so that they can escape when needed to go get their name in lights. I'm really starting to think that just abolishing the Landed kills message entirely, and abolishing score entirely, would be what is best for the game. We would still see inordinate number of LA's, but I think there are a lot of fence sitters who only fly the fastest planes now because of the irresistible urge to have people say WTG to them, who would start pursuing their avionic interests instead if that hope of everlasting fame were taken away.
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Helm: You're absolutely right about plane selection. The same planes, all the time. Do you know how rarely I even see a Spit8 or Spit9 anymore??? EVERY spit is a 16. EVERY 190 is a D9.
A classic example how perception (and opinion) can differ from actual LW MA gameplay ;)
Plane selection hasn't become worse over the last 3 years (since I started to play), au contraire: The once so ever dominant La-7 has become much more rare than it once had been.
Every Spit a Spit 16? Hardly:
Spitfire Mk I 162 kills 593 deaths
Spitfire Mk IX 3883 kills 3733 deaths
Spitfire Mk V 597 kills 1086 deaths
Spitfire Mk VIII 3771 kills 3906 deaths
Spitfire Mk XIV 565 kills 360 deaths
Spitfire Mk XVI 11864 kills 11041 deaths
Spit 16 does have ~56% of all Spitfire kills and ~53% of all Spitfire deaths.
Every 190 a D-9?
Fw 190A-5 1659 kills 1606 deaths
Fw 190A-8 3973 kills 3742 deaths
Fw 190D-9 3776 kills 2816 deaths
Fw 190F-8 550 kills 866 deaths
190D-9 has ~ 38% of all 190 kills and ~ 31% of all 190 deaths - and that is even with the TA 152 excluded. Note that the A8 has actually more kills & deaths than the D9...
(all data current LW tour)
Sometimes I just wonder why I rarely see complains about the increasing number of P-51's - more kills & deaths than any other plane by far, and with a K/D not worse than Spit 16 :noid
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I might also add that the type of plane you usually encounter is also very much depending on your own playing style.
Someone taking part in mostly offensive actions (be it for "fun" or the landgrab) or merrily furballing between two close airfields will see a lot more Spit 16's and La-7s than someone mostly defending airbases. I'm doing mostly the latter one, and that' why I see much less 16's and La's than their actual share in total arena play is.
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See Rules #5, #7
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Sometimes I just wonder why I rarely see complains about the increasing number of P-51's - more kills & deaths than any other plane by far, and with a K/D not worse than Spit 16 :noid
Because almost every fighter plane in the game can out-turn it except the 190 series, thus most players don't see it as a threat aside from picking in them? Because the Spit16 can make a relatively noobish player somewhat dangerous while all most noobs can do in the P-51 is run to the far horizon or die ignominiously?
I might also add that the type of plane you usually encounter is also very much depending on your own playing style.
Someone taking part in mostly offensive actions (be it for "fun" or the landgrab) or merrily furballing between two close airfields will see a lot more Spit 16's and La-7s than someone mostly defending airbases. I'm doing mostly the latter one, and that' why I see much less 16's and La's than their actual share in total arena play is.
That is why the most fun thing to do with a bnz plane is NOT generally "base taking", or, lets go ahead and say it, vulching, but "incoming horde interception". In those circumstances a P-47 pilot for instance can get the chance to fight a Fw-190 at 15K, instead of fighting Spit16s 3 feet off the deck in ack.
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A classic example how perception (and opinion) can differ from actual LW MA gameplay ;)
Plane selection hasn't become worse over the last 3 years (since I started to play), au contraire: The once so ever dominant La-7 has become much more rare than it once had been.
Every Spit a Spit 16? Hardly:
Spitfire Mk I 162 kills 593 deaths
Spitfire Mk IX 3883 kills 3733 deaths
Spitfire Mk V 597 kills 1086 deaths
Spitfire Mk VIII 3771 kills 3906 deaths
Spitfire Mk XIV 565 kills 360 deaths
Spitfire Mk XVI 11864 kills 11041 deaths
Spit 16 does have ~56% of all Spitfire kills and ~53% of all Spitfire deaths.
Every 190 a D-9?
Fw 190A-5 1659 kills 1606 deaths
Fw 190A-8 3973 kills 3742 deaths
Fw 190D-9 3776 kills 2816 deaths
Fw 190F-8 550 kills 866 deaths
190D-9 has ~ 38% of all 190 kills and ~ 31% of all 190 deaths - and that is even with the TA 152 excluded. Note that the A8 has actually more kills & deaths than the D9...
(all data current LW tour)
There is an inherent fallacy in those statistics. Can you name it?
It's simple: people who play this game very very frequently tend to
a) Choose a plane off the beaten path
b) more importantly...rack up both a lot of kills and deaths in those planes.
Just them, that one "hardcore" gamer is responsible for, say something like 600% more kills and 300% more deaths in their plane of choice (a less frequent MA plane) than a typical casual player is in their plane of choice.
Let's break down the numbers to demonstrate this.
Let's say there are only 10 players who fly in a tour.
Players # 1-8 fly the Spit 16 and LA-7 exclusively. Each player averages about 4 hours a tour, and during those 4 hours they each get 10 kills in a Spit 16 and 10 kills in a LA-7. So, players 1-8 give the tour overall kills in Spit16 of 80, and overall kills in LA-7 of 80.
Players #9 and #10 fly the P-40B exclusively. They have a little more time to fly than the casual players #1-8, so players 9 and 10 each play 8 hours in a tour. Players #9 and #10 are also a little more skilled than the first 8 players, so in those 8 each hours they each get 80 kills in the P40B.
Now let's look at the overall kill tally for this arena during this particular tour.
Kills In:
Spit 16 80
LA-7 80
P-40B 160
Wow, every plane you see in this arena must be a P-40B, right???
Well, no, of course. The far more frequent planes you will encounter are Spit16s and LA-7s. After all, 8 of the 10 players who play in this arena fly ONLY them. Even though each of the P40 pilots flies twice as much as each of the Spit/LA pilots, there are simply too many more Spit/LA pilots and you will more frequently see those planes in the skies of this example.
So Lusche I see what you're trying to imply, but the statistics you stated are simply not adequate to dispel my observation. I'm not saying that I'm not wrong, I'm just saying that more statistics are needed.
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And that's why I also listed the deaths :)
B) My example is perfectly fine suited to rebutt the "every Spit is a 16 and every 190 is a D-9" claims
Showing kills & deaths is simply a kind of "event" count in the MA's. Also you can easily observe the shifting in numbers over the tours... which show the overall impact of a plane on MA gameplay. And in the last 3 years, P51D's kills have risen considerably in numbers, and 16's and La's did drop.
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And that's why I also listed the deaths :)
B) My example is perfectly fine suited to rebutt the "every Spit is a 16 and every 190 is a D-9" claims
Showing kills & deaths is simply a kind of "event" count in the MA's. Also you can easily observe the shifting in numbers over the tours... which show the overall impact of a plane on MA gameplay. And in the last 3 years, P51D's kills have risen considerably in numbers, and 16's and La's did drop.
I'll give you observation of shifting numbers in tours, but that's about it for this case. I didn't include deaths because I assumed you could extrapolate the fact that I could have given pilots 9 and 10 either a propensity to stay alive, or propensity to die a lot. It's irrelevant, it would not have changed one bit the number of relative sorties flown by pilots 9 and 10.
And if you are taking my use of the word "every" to constitute grounds for my believing that no sorties whatsoever are flown in an A-5...I think you know that is a bit ridiculous.
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I tend to agree with the OP being honest, I made a descision a while back to stick with a 109 no matter what, unless it's a mission and base taking then it's a jug or pony etc. I tend to try and stick to around 15-16k as that's where I find guys looking for a good ol' fight, Sure it's nice to win, but win or lose, all I'm after is a good old fashoined fight to the end and to have some fun doing it.
It's when you get below 10k that you'll come accross the lgays, 16's etc, I expect to get ganged, picked, hoed and all the rest, but what can you do? stay high and hardly see a soul? or dive down to the cauldron below, you might get one, maybe two but then you should be expecting to get shot down fairly quickly by some of the uber rides.
I like that idea someone had for the alternative to Titanic Tuesday, the SEA set up for just some fun fights, Wish the AvA was busier, betcha that would be real fun too. :)
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Forgive my ignorance having only participated in this great sim for only a year and a half, but am I missing something? I seem to find good fun in a variety of different activities, every time I login. I dive with reckless abandon into the furballs, I attack and defend in GV's, I help take bases and defend the Knights bases when attacked, etc. (this list could go on for a bit). Every once in a while I get into one of the magical 1 v 1 fights that reignites my AH flame. The list of possible endeavours, planes & vehicles to fly/drive in AH is so large (and growing), how could you possibly get bored? Try something you have not done yet or done a lot. I guarantee you will enjoy yourself! :D
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Forgive my ignorance having only participated in this great sim for only a year and a half, but am I missing something? I seem to find good fun in a variety of different activities, every time I login. I dive with reckless abandon into the furballs, I attack and defend in GV's, I help take bases and defend the Knights bases when attacked, etc. (this list could go on for a bit). Every once in a while I get into one of the magical 1 v 1 fights that reignites my AH flame. The list of possible endeavours, planes & vehicles to fly/drive in AH is so large (and growing), how could you possibly get bored? Try something you have not done yet or done a lot. I guarantee you will enjoy yourself! :D
Waystin, you've got the right idea bub and it sounds like you
make your fun no matter what. I try to enjoy a little bit of
everything also. :salute
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Too bad I already used my "hamster wheel" analogy in another thread.
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i like the idea of bieng limited toceratin planes for each country. Im getting tired of every country having access to, and every plane bieng a spixteen, lala, or N1ki. Maybe it's just me but only fighting those gets old after awhile.
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Too bad I already used my "hamster wheel" analogy in another thread.
Could always use, "Wheels-on-the-bus-go..."
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i can rarely find a good fight in midwar
-NEARY out........ :(
I can see why. The last time I ran into you, you came in with altitude in a Mossie, HO'd on merge and then promptly exited the area at a very high rate of speed after you blew the HO. Flying like that, no wonder you couldn't find a worthy fight, you kept running from them.
ack-ack
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I can see why. The last time I ran into you, you came in with altitude in a Mossie, HO'd on merge and then promptly exited the area at a very high rate of speed after you blew the HO. Flying like that, no wonder you couldn't find a worthy fight, you kept running from them.
ack-ack
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