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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ToeTag on December 09, 2008, 12:44:31 PM
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I know this is a bit petty, but I am getting older and forget all to often to change from fighter to attack mode and visa versa. I know that when your on a mission it asks you how you would like to be scored. Just wondering how hard it would be to make this pop up permanent or add a .command to make the change yourself.
Thanks
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It would be nice for when you find PT's on your fighter mission ;) -- but I don't think it can happen. It would mess up how sorties are recorded and scored, as you may begin a sortie attack and end it fighter. Which one would it fall under in this case?
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What would be nice is some way to verify in flight what mode you are in. It is easy to forget to note what the score mode setting in the hanger was before take-off.
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well to simplify things if you shoot air targets you get fighter points and if you hit Ground targets you get attack points
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well to simplify things if you shoot air targets you get fighter points and if you hit Ground targets you get attack points
There are more than just "points" in the scoring system. Just based on hit percentage, it cannot work the way you say. The game would not have a way of tracking whether to score misses aginst fighter hit % or attack hit % since it would not know which type of target you were trying to shoot at. There would be complications with other scoring stats also.
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how about a option where you could leave it on attack all the time if you wanted to.
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i agree with toetag. If you hit air targets its fighter and if you hit ground targets its attack :aok :aok
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Score potatoes would be using a dot command to change their sorties in flight based on how many vultches or picks they got. A pop-up like before missions would be a nice idea though
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I know where the OP is comming from. Could a preference be added (or a check-box "Prompt before flight" added next to the current buttons) so that, just like in a mission, you're prompted how you want to score the sortie just before you hit the runway?
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How about setting it up as "control mode XXX" programmable to whichever plane.
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this one is easy,
I fly "fighter" only.
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I agree that it's hard to remember to switch the button, and I'm only 29.
That said, my "fix" would be to do away with the attack category all together. Loading up your fighter with bombs should still count as a fighter sortie.
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Loading up your fighter with bombs should still count as a fighter sortie.
That might end "suicidal lemming" jabo'ing. :aok
Then again, it might end jabo'ing, period. :(
Would you still get credit for your buildings blowed up and tanks destroyed and what have you?
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No way.
More "gaming the game" wishes. ;)
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No way.
More "gaming the game" wishes. ;)
If it were a dot command, yes I totally agree
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That might end "suicidal lemming" jabo'ing. :aok
Then again, it might end jabo'ing, period. :(
Would you still get credit for your buildings blowed up and tanks destroyed and what have you?
Sure you'd get credit. But since everyone swears they don't care about score, it shouldn't prevent anyone from jabo'ing. It would be interesting to see if it would change behavior.
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It would be nice for when you find PT's on your fighter mission ;) -- but I don't think it can happen. It would mess up how sorties are recorded and scored, as you may begin a sortie attack and end it fighter. Which one would it fall under in this case?
Which ever one you wanted it to.
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There are more than just "points" in the scoring system. Just based on hit percentage, it cannot work the way you say. The game would not have a way of tracking whether to score misses aginst fighter hit % or attack hit % since it would not know which type of target you were trying to shoot at. There would be complications with other scoring stats also.
Air to air means aircraft and Ground argets are on the ground sooo.... :rolleyes: i'm afraid I dont understand your logic.
Spock here signing out
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how about a option where you could leave it on attack all the time if you wanted to.
Thats already an option or just a plain agreement with what I have said. Meaning you forget or you have set everything to attack and dont want to go inti both realms.
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I know where the OP is comming from. Could a preference be added (or a check-box "Prompt before flight" added next to the current buttons) so that, just like in a mission, you're prompted how you want to score the sortie just before you hit the runway?
Jeeezuz did you read the original post?
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Air to air means aircraft and Ground argets are on the ground sooo.... :rolleyes: i'm afraid I dont understand your logic.
Spock here signing out
You shoot at something, you miss. What were you shooting at so the game can score it as a miss? Was it a ground target, or an air target?
You can easily miss an air target and hit the ground flying under 3,000 feet AGL.
What's so hard to understand?
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Sure you'd get credit. But since everyone swears they don't care about score, it shouldn't prevent anyone from jabo'ing. It would be interesting to see if it would change behavior.
Maybe I'm digressing off topic here, but...
From what I can see, the #1 source of un-realism and dweebery is not the score potatos, it is the landgrab lemmings IMHO. If I am trying to blow up some of the enemy property on a dive-bomber run, I am going to get enough alt to maybe avoid the horde, come in above the ack and have enough speed going through the ack to possibly survive and avoid the horde of enemy fighters. This takes times. I am also going to release ords and pull up soon enough to avoid augering, which reduces target size for me. If I survive, depending on situation, I am either going to attempt to engage as a fighter or RTB, which takes further time. The guy who dumps his ord at the target and either lawndarts or just tries to vulch/strafe down ack guns until he bites it can grab another ords mule immediately and return. Perversely, the guy who flies like a pilot who wants to see the bright (and red :devil) lights of home again is actually strategically less valuable.
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I like the idea of the clipboard asking you which way to score the sortie before you takeoff, the way it does when you are in a mission.
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I look at it this way.... if your worried about "score" pay attention ! If you worry about score you fly different anyway, its just one more thing to pay attention to. If score really isn't important to you, why would it matter how the run was scored?
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No way.
More "gaming the game" wishes. ;)
*snort*
Having separate "Fighter" and "Attack" score is totally contrived in the first place.
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I detest the "Some of my best friends are..." and "Not that I am opposed..." caveats, however I want to point out that I don't disagree with separate scores, I just think they're contrived. E-mail (and forums) only provide 8% of the communication, so sometimes you have to type carefully to minimize confusing intent with content)
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An amusing and sad note on this topic. I admit :o :o that this ToD I set a small statistical goal to get my K/D to 2.0 (I know I suck and it means nothing---don't need to tell me). So far it has been fluctuating between 1.8 and 2.1. The first time I got to 2.0 I said---OK take a little break and do some ground attacks. I went up in a 110G to get some PT boats. I took rockets so I ASSumed that I was automatically in attack mode. One PT boat had one of these Ak-gun geniuses in it----pilot kill before I fired. So, I went like 6 kills and was killed 4 times. Lo and behold I was STILL IN FIGHTER MODE :eek: :eek: and had dropped into the 1's again. I now check carefully.
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You realize there is a little box in the hanger where you can choose Fighter or Attack (if available). I mean, you're already choosing a plane, putting on bombs, choosing fuel, and you "forgot" to switch to attack??? And you want HTC to make it easier because youforgot?
Oh please.....
How about, bombs = attack, no bombs = fighter. Then, you don't need to think or decide.
wrongway
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I wasn't complaining---don't give a damn what they do---just re-counting amusing screw up by myself---nothing more. I know the thread author was---so your remarks are germane to that---I'm just stepping aside on the merits.
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I wasn't complaining---don't give a damn what they do---just re-counting amusing screw up by myself---nothing more. I know the thread author was---so your remarks are germane to that---I'm just stepping aside on the merits.
Wasn't replying to your comment. I'm a slow typer. But, as you said, just check to make sure the right box is selected. It's right there.
wrongway
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Been there, done that Impakt.
As I said in a previously in a reply, the only "wish" I have on this subject is that a way to verify mode in flight would be a nice addition.
I don't really want a pop-up asking me when I take off. I already yell at the game enough when I go in the hanger and it starts giving multiple pop-ups because things are unavailable at that field :)
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You realize there is a little box in the hanger where you can choose Fighter or Attack (if available). I mean, you're already choosing a plane, putting on bombs, choosing fuel, and you "forgot" to switch to attack??? And you want HTC to make it easier because youforgot?
Oh please.....
How about, bombs = attack, no bombs = fighter. Then, you don't need to think or decide.
wrongway
This is the most viable solution.
No fighter in WWII that was intended to enter into air to air battle would have loaded bombs. Bombs were only loaded when a ground target was the intended use for the fighter. Sure sometimes bombs were dropped to enter into air to air battle, but that was a busted mission. Just like what can happen in the game. You encounter enemy aircraft and have to lighten up to stay alive, the mission is busted.
And that is still in practice today. If there are no ground targets intended for a flight, they don't load ground attack weapons. The planes are loaded with the intended target in mind.
But, changing in mid-flight shouldn't even be considered because you should plan your sortie and load out accodingly. Not, bring everything you can and decide when you reach or don't reach the target.
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Ords down, GV attack, I up my IL-2 to do some tank busting and its scored fighter?
Methinks not.
Leave it how it is, people can remember to change it.
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Go up with bombs and its an automatic attack mission
Go up clean winged and it's an automatic fighter mission
There problem sovled!
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Ords down, GV attack, I up my IL-2 to do some tank busting and its scored fighter?
Methinks not.
Leave it how it is, people can remember to change it.
But upping as a fighter in an IL-2, or an A-20, is not an option, is it?
Problem averted.
wrongway
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No wrongway its not, but what about other ground-pounders when ENY is high? for example yak-T or maybe an A-8. Just saying bombs/no bombs is a far worse system than what we have now.